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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by Aoife on 29.10.13 7:06

I am surprised there has not been more reaction to this matter.

We have been presented with e-fits that are either based on the evidence of people who previously denied noticing any facial features other than beards and glasses, if we have been told the truth about their provenance, or they are manufactured or based on other people's (who) facts.

The whole SY case seems to revolve round e-fits that are doubtful in the extreme.

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by Silver Shuffle on 29.10.13 7:59

For Gonçalo Amaral, "there was a positive identification, which was set aside". "The McCann hired detectives who made a portrait, a man that resembled Gerry, in order to devalue the deposition", he concluded.

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by Silver Shuffle on 29.10.13 8:01

perhaps that what GA said is lost in Translation, what does he seem to be saying...

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by PeterMac on 29.10.13 8:05

@Woofer wrote:So we have concluded that the E-fits were done by the Exton team?
Martin Smith gave his second statement in January 2008 saying he had not done any photo-fits.
Exton team hired after that statement in Spring 2008 when they went to "Ireland to interview the family and produce E-fits of the man they saw" - as quoted by ST.
So presumably the McCanns had Exton`s report plus the E-fits with their files (which they removed before handing over to SY).
SY find out about these E-fits (presumably from interviewing Martin Smith).
SY get in contact with Henri Exton to ask if he has his own copy.  He says yes but cannot hand them over without permission from the fund.
SY force the fund to give Henri Exton permission to hand his copy over.
SY use the E-fits on Crimewatch. 
Henri Exton is shocked that SY said it was a NEW lead.
This is IMO only
What date did McVey suddenly leave the "Fund" ?

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by stillsloppingout on 29.10.13 8:13

@Silver Shuffle wrote:perhaps that what GA said is lost in Translation, what does he seem to be saying...
I think he is saying . 

 They have made one [ note there are two different pics supposedly of the same person ]picture look like Gerry so people say AND THEY HAVE BEEN . " haha look that Look's like Gerry McCann . 

 THUS DISMISSING IT,"  BECAUSE IT COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE HIM .......RIGHT . " 

  So it is a reverse psychology of sorts . the SECOND PIC of supposedly the SAME PERSON is then subliminally used in its presence to confirm the above point .

 so a lay person would say    "   haha  gosh that looks like Gerry McCann , yes but the other guy is the real one "thus throwing the viewer off the trail by showing it as to be ridiculous by putting it straight in the publics eyes . clever tactic . BUT SY.  YOU CAN'T KID A KIDDER . !!!

 that is my take

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by russiandoll on 29.10.13 8:47

response to PMac   re- E. McVey   [ from  McCannfiles  ] :


 
She joined the board of Madeleine's Fund on 20 June 2007 and continued her role as spokesperson for the Fund until her resignation, announced in January 2008.
 
  Ms. McVey has remained -tight lipped as to the reason, or reasons, behind her resignation - a rather ironic position, considering her desire to become a Member of Parliament and given her former and current roles in the media/PR.
 
Her own website, on which she once displayed an online petition in support of the McCanns, now contains no mention of Madeleine McCann at all.

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by Silver Shuffle on 29.10.13 9:03

@stillsloppingout wrote:
@Silver Shuffle wrote:perhaps that what GA said is lost in Translation, what does he seem to be saying...
I think he is saying . 

 They have made one [ note there are two different pics supposedly of the same person ]picture look like Gerry so people say AND THEY HAVE BEEN . " haha look that Look's like Gerry McCann . 

 THUS DISMISSING IT,"  BECAUSE IT COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE HIM .......RIGHT . " 

  So it is a reverse psychology of sorts . the SECOND PIC of supposedly the SAME PERSON is then subliminally used in its presence to confirm the above point .

 so a lay person would say    "   haha  gosh that looks like Gerry McCann , yes but the other guy is the real one "thus throwing the viewer off the trail by showing it as to be ridiculous by putting it straight in the publics eyes . clever tactic . BUT SY.  YOU CAN'T KID A KIDDER . !!!

 that is my take
thanks...smilie

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by PeterMac on 29.10.13 9:32

@russiandoll wrote:response to PMac   re- E. McVey   [ from  McCannfiles  ] :
She joined the board of Madeleine's Fund on 20 June 2007 and continued her role as spokesperson for the Fund until her resignation, announced in January 2008.
Ms. McVey has remained -tight lipped as to the reason, or reasons, behind her resignation - a rather ironic position, considering her desire to become a Member of Parliament and given her former and current roles in the media/PR.
Her own website, on which she once displayed an online petition in support of the McCanns, now contains no mention of Madeleine McCann at all.
Many thanks for that. So there is a temporal correspondence between resignation and statement.
Perhaps she is more intelligent than we thought, had begun to work it out for herself, and the statement confirmed that it was too dangerous to remain.
Now she is an MP it may be more difficult for her not to answer questions submitted through Theyworkforyou.com

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by jeanmonroe on 29.10.13 10:43

Day 262 - 20/01/2008 -Sunday
1st Version
Gerry edited Day 262 on Day 265
Today we have released drawings of a man who needs to be eliminated from the investigation to find Madeleine. A witness, Gail Cooper, who was holidaying in Praia da Luz shortly before we arrived, saw him on several occasions. She found the man, who claimed to be collecting for an orphanage, very intimidating. After interviewing Gail, our private investigators commissioned a forensic sketch by a FBI trained artist. The man has many similarities in looks and clothing he was wearing to the description of the man given by Jane Tanner.

The man Jane saw walking away from the apartments where we were staying was carrying a child, around 9.10pm on the night Madeleine was abducted. Jane described pyjamas matching those Madeleine was wearing without knowing what she had on that fateful night. We are convinced that this was when Madeleine was taken. Jane has been shown these sketches of the man. She feels he has a strong resemblance to the man she saw on May 3rd.carrying the child away.

It is essential that he be traced. We believe many people must know who this individual is. We appeal to anyone who knows him, or may have seen him to contact our private investigators on +34 902 300 213 or

investigation@findmadeleine.com. If you are this man please make contact with the investigators or your local police. All of this information has been passed on to the Portuguese and British police and Interpol has been informed. This man may have key information that will help us locate Madeleine.

Day 263 - 21/01/2008 Monday
Day 263 - 21/01/2008 Monday TO
Day 264 - 22/01/2008 Tuesday No Update

Day 265 - 23/01/2008 Wednesday
2nd version
Gerry edited Day 262 on Day 265

Day 265 - Edited version of Day 262 20/01/2008
Today we have released drawings of a man who needs to be eliminated from the investigation to find Madeleine. A witness, Gail Cooper, who was holidaying in Praia da Luz shortly before we arrived, saw him on several occasions. She found the man, who claimed to be collecting for an orphanage, very intimidating. After interviewing Gail, our private investigators commissioned a forensic sketch by a FBI trained artist. The man has many similarities in looks and clothing he was wearing to the description of the man given by Gail Cooper.

The man Jane saw walking away from the apartments where we were staying was carrying a child, around 9.10pm on the night Madeleine was abducted. Jane described pyjamas matching those Madeleine was wearing without knowing what she had on that fateful night. We are convinced that this was when Madeleine was taken. Jane has been shown these sketches of the man. She feels he has a strong resemblance to the man she saw on May 3rd.carrying the child away.

It is essential that he be traced. We believe many people must know who this individual is. We appeal to anyone who knows him, or may have seen him to contact our private investigators on +34 902 300 213 or

investigation@findmadeleine.com. If you are this man please make contact with the investigators or your local police.

All of this information has been passed on to the Portuguese and British police and Interpol has been informed. This man may have key information that will help us locate Madeleine.


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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by mouse on 29.10.13 11:25

@PeterMac wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:response to PMac   re- E. McVey   [ from  McCannfiles  ] :
She joined the board of Madeleine's Fund on 20 June 2007 and continued her role as spokesperson for the Fund until her resignation, announced in January 2008.
Ms. McVey has remained -tight lipped as to the reason, or reasons, behind her resignation - a rather ironic position, considering her desire to become a Member of Parliament and given her former and current roles in the media/PR.
Her own website, on which she once displayed an online petition in support of the McCanns, now contains no mention of Madeleine McCann at all.
Many thanks for that. So there is a temporal correspondence between resignation and statement.
Perhaps she is more intelligent than we thought, had begun to work it out for herself, and the statement confirmed that it was too dangerous to remain.
Now she is an MP it may be more difficult for her not to answer questions submitted through Theyworkforyou.com
I believe she knew exactly what she was getting into. I don't know exactly why, (imo I think she was bought and paid for) but she was well involved enough to be there when a dodge pot company like Metodo 3 was hired for the searches in Europe. She, with her PR background, would surely have checked these guys out. Not only that, she seems, from these articles to be blurring the line between charity and non-charity...and was very much involved with the fund. 

Making sure your money helps Maddie Liverpool Echo
 
By PADDY SHENNAN
Aug 22 2007
 
Extract:
 
 
In Liverpool, businesswoman Esther McVey, who became friends with Kate while they were studying at the then North East Technical College in West Derby, became involved. She launched an on-line petition to call for greater transparency in the police investigation, and pushed for a dual investigation between the British and Portuguese authorities.
 
Meanwhile, Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd was soon up and running, following initial donations from a group of doctors in Leicestershire.
 
Countless members of the public also wanted to fund the campaign, which – again, by terrible necessity – had to develop quickly so it could be run as efficiently as possible.
 
Esther McVey is now one of the fund's six directors, with the others being Peter Hubner, a retired consultant; Brian Kennedy, Madeleine’s great uncle and a retired head teacher; John McCann, Gerry’s brother and a medical representative; Doug Skehan, clinical director in cardiology at Glenfield hospital in Leicester and Philip Tomlinson, a solicitor and former coroner in Leicestershire.
 
"I'm a small cog in a giant machine," says Esther, who adds: "I knew Kate from the year we were at North East Tech, before I went off to do law and she went off to study medicine at university.
 
"We had a brilliant year and we were good mates. I lived in Aigburth, Kate lived in Allerton and we knocked about together."
 
Madeleine's Fund is a non-charitable, not-for-profit company which was established to help find Madeleine, to support her family and to bring her abductors to justice. Any surplus funds will be used to help families and missing children in the UK, Portugal and elsewhere in similar circumstances.
 
Since Madeleine's abduction, awareness of cases of child abduction and exploitation has greatly increased and Esther McVey says: "Madeleine is very much a beacon, who has shone a light into the very dark area of child abduction and missing children."
 
It has been reported that Kate and Gerry could be preparing to return home to Leicestershire next month, partially for financial reasons as they have refused to use the fund to help pay their living expenses.
 
According to reports, only £67,000 of the fund has been spent with the McCanns, themselves, having only claimed expenses for flights and accommodation on campaign-related trips and for stationery to make posters – although many people who have made donations would no doubt want and expect Kate and Gerry to use the money to go towards their living expenses while they are in Portugal.
 
Meanwhile, Esther McVey points out that invoices are continually coming in for various things including, for example, lawyers' services. As a result, she says it's difficult to give current numbers regarding monies spent, but says: "It’s significantly more than the quoted figure."
 
But while the campaign can be as well-organised as possible, no one can say what direction it will take next: "This is completely unchartered territory and, as such, things are unpredictable and there is no pattern," adds Esther.
 
Kate and Gerry McCann, their families, friends and supporters across the world, however, can at least tell themselves they are leaving no stone unturned.








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McCanns won't tap Madeleine fund to pay legal bills Reuters
 
12-09-2007
 
Statement from Esther McVey: 
 
Madeleine's Fund was set up to: Find Madeleine; support the family and bring the abductor or abductors to justice; and, subject to that, help other missing children.
 
With the sudden, dramatic, and unexpected turn of events at the weekend, the directors had to consider whether legal defence costs could be paid by the fund.
 
The board has taken advice from Bates Wells & Braithwaite London LLP and Christopher McCall QC.
 
The board has been advised that payment of Gerry and Kate's legal defence costs would be legally permissable subject to conditions about repayment in the event of a guilty conviction.
 
The directors of the fund discussed this today.
 
The 2 family directors, Brian Kennedy and John McCann, withdrew from the meeting when the decision was made.
 
I chaired that meeting.
 
The fund directors realise there is not only a legal answer but recognise too the spirit which underlies the generous donations to Madeleine's Fund, which it's the directors responsibility to steer.
 
For this reason, the fund directors have decided not to pay for Kate and Gerry's legal defence costs.






-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tory hopeful McVey facing tough battles on two fronts Independent
 
By Henry Deedes
Friday, 14 September 2007
 
The glamorous former GMTV presenter Esther McVey is currently embroiled in two Herculean battles.
 
McVey, right, a former regular on the BBC show Heaven and Earth, is in the news as she is handling PR for the Madeleine Fund, which was set up to help pay for the McCanns' search for their daughter. She is also trying to become a Tory MP.
 
McVey is down to stand for the Conservatives at the next election in the marginal seat of Wirral West, which she narrowly failed to win in 2005 by just over 1,000 votes. "Yes, she's definitely standing there again," says a Tory spokesman. "She was actually re-selected pretty quickly after the last election."
 
Of course her involvement in the McCann saga could prove problematic, not just if things get worse for the McCanns in the press over the next few days. If Gordon Brown were to call a snap election in the autumn, she'd also be forced to chose between the two jobs. What to do?
 
"There is a worry her involvement could harm her election prospects," acknowledges one Conservative HQ insider. "Obviously no one at party HQ will directly speak to Esther about this as they won't want to be seen to be interfering in such a sensitive issue."
 
Should Esther finally be elected, it would mark a touching reunion with her former boyfriend and current Shadow Culture Minister Ed Vaizey. McVey once divulged that the now happily married Ed used to propose to her "every two weeks".
 
*
 
Comment: This article is interesting because it states that Esther is 'handling PR for the Madeleine Fund'. This would appear to suggest that her involvement in Madeleine's Fund ran deeper than simply being the spokesperson. If that was the case, did she receive payment from the Fund for PR services or were they provided free - with the result that Esther was left out of pocket?
(above comment from Mccann files)
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'£300,000 spent' on search for Madeleine Liverpool Daily Post
 
By Tim Walsh, PA
Sep 26 2007 
 
Extract:
 
And this afternoon, the Fund’s board of directors - comprising colleagues, friends and relatives - met in the couple's home county of Leicestershire to decide how to use the money.
 
The exact figures for what the donations are spent on will not be disclosed until the end of the financial year when the accounts are made public, said director Esther McVey.
 
But the board did reveal that nearly a third of the money collected has already been used.
 
Costs incurred include the launch of the Find Madeleine campaign, advertising, the production of the yellow and green wristbands and the employment of former campaign manager Justine McGuinness.
 
Legal fees had to be met for the setting up of Madeleine's Fund.
 
Private investigators, understood to include ex-military personnel, are being employed to search for the Rothley youngster outside of Portugal.
 
And with Mr McCann, the family's main earner, on unpaid leave from his job as consultant cardiologist, part of the Fund has been used to meet their living costs.
 
"I haven't got the exact figure but it is just under £300,000," said Ms McVey, after today's meeting.
 
On not producing a full breakdown of the costs, she added: "We are doing what every charity does. We are going by best practice charity rules."
 
A new £80,000 advertising campaign in the area of Portugal, Spain and Morocco, announced earlier this month, was among future costs discussed at the meeting, said co-director John McCann, Mr McCann’s brother.


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Spanish tourist's claim of Madeleine sighting in Morocco proves false Guardian
 
Paul Hamilos in Madrid
Tursday September 27 2007
 
Extract:
 
In a separate development yesterday, the board of the Find Madeleine campaign approved an extensive advertising campaign appealing once again for information about the missing girl. Esther McVeigh, one of the directors, told the Guardian that the £80,000 spent on the billboard and newspaper advertisement campaign represented the single biggest expenditure of the fund to date.
 
She said that it was likely that the campaign, originally targeted at Spain and Portugal, would be extended to include Morocco, even though the latest sighting appeared not to be Madeleine.




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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by worriedmum on 29.10.13 11:28

@jeanmonroe wrote:

It is essential that he be traced. We believe many people must know who this individual is. We appeal to anyone who knows him, or may have seen him to contact our private investigators on +34 902 300 213 or

investigation@findmadeleine.com. If you are this man please make contact with the investigators or your local police.

 All of this information has been passed on to the Portuguese and British police and Interpol has been informed. This man may have key information that will help us locate Madeleine.

aaagh

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by jeanmonroe on 29.10.13 11:40

Day 262 - 20/01/2008 -Sunday
1st Version
Gerry edited Day 262 on Day 265
Today we have released drawings of a man who needs to be eliminated from the investigation to find Madeleine. A witness, Gail Cooper, who was holidaying in Praia da Luz shortly before we arrived, saw him on several occasions. She found the man, who claimed to be collecting for an orphanage, very intimidating. After interviewing Gail, our private investigators commissioned a forensic sketch by a FBI trained artist. The man has many similarities in looks and clothing he was wearing to the description of the man given by Jane Tanner.

The man Jane saw walking away from the apartments where we were staying was carrying a child, around 9.10pm on the night Madeleine was abducted. Jane described pyjamas MATCHING THOSE Madeleine WAS WEARING without KNOWING what she had on that fateful night.. We are convinced that this was when Madeleine was taken. Jane has been shown these sketches of the man. She feels he has a strong resemblance to the man she saw on May 3rd.carrying the child away.

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ER, no she DIDN'T!

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by galena on 29.10.13 19:56

@ChillyHeat wrote:Maybe the efits are red herrings....Maybe there is something more sinister in the file. Or maybe they were made to look like Gerry as a defence against speculative trolls on the internet big grin 

I cant make head nor tails of things lately....
Well we speculative trolls need feeding just as much as any other troll clapping

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by Hicks on 29.10.13 20:05

Have another look at the CW reconstruction, you get a glimpse of Smithman's face. The actor chosen to play the part could be the twin of GM.
Clever SY!

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Post by Yogi on 29.10.13 20:43

@Hicks wrote:Have another look at the CW reconstruction, you get a glimpse of Smithman's face. The actor chosen to play the part could be the twin of GM.
Clever SY!
Absolutely!!

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by galena on 30.10.13 16:07

With regard to the 'Tractorman' thread I am beginning to wonder if the efits really have lain in the files unregarded for months or if they have been created fairly recently with the intention of casting suspicion on a scapegoat (sorry suspect) who has recently been dredged up to take the blame.  Like Aoife I am dubious about efits drawn up by witnesses who say they didn't get a good enough look to identify the guy and that they haven't done any efits ...

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Re: Where did those new e-fits really come from?

Post by Nereid on 30.10.13 17:25

What strikes me most about the two e-fits is not that they look so differently. That can be explained away by different people seeing things differently. And of course the 2 Smith witnesses hardly got a good look of the man's face in the dark.

What really strikes me though is that both e-fits seem to have been made with different software.

The small chin one seems to be made with e-fit-V. The big chin one is far more pixelated and blurry, and does look like it was made using different software.

What's also weird is that all the 6 e-fits are numbered as follows: 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b, 4a, 4b.

What happened to 3 in the sequence?

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