Justice or Whitewash?

Hicks wrote:

admin wrote:

Hicks wrote:

admin wrote:

Hicks wrote:

admin wrote:

vyepar wrote:I believe that Poor Maddie was put in the Waste Bin that was nearby, as the rubbish collection was due, and would be known By Gerry and Kate McCann.

Kate shouts out that they have taken her, so people would not search for Maddie, but someone with her.

The so called " Tapas 9" had too much to lose, so they are keeping quiet.

It is too late to serch the Rubbish Dump, now but at the time , it would have been, so the poor soull could be put to rest

Whatever people may think of the McCanns I do not believe for one minute that they would have disposed of her in such a callous way in a rubbish bin or even dumped in the sea. Amaral believes she was moved, possibly to a final resting place, in the hire car 25 days after she 'disappeared', having been preserved in a fridge/freezer. I would like to think Maddie was laid to rest somewhere with dignity and not just dumped somewhere.

Sorry admin but I have to disagree. If Snr Amaral's theory is correct and Madeleine was put in a freezer, then moved elsewhere some three weeks later, I find that totally callous, where is the dignity in that?

What happens to bodies in mortuaries whilst waiting for burial? Aren't they kept refrigerated?

I see what you are saying admin but I am looking at it from the angle of a parent. I imagine being in that same situation, there is no way ever that I could deposit my dead child in someone's domestic freezer-like a lump of meat. At least in mortuary the body is treated with dignity.

And I can see what you're saying...but they were on holiday and they didn't want Maddie's body found for whatever reason...so what were they to do with her until they decided where her final resting place was to be? Being laid in a fridge or freezer doesn't mean she was amongst the frozen peas and chicken legs. She may have been dressed up (didn't David Payne say the children looked like angels?) Perhaps she was dressed like an angel ready for burial, but they just needed somewhere to stop her decomposing...so why not an empty fridge?

When you mentioned Madeleine being' dressed up' the make up photo came to mind. 

If M was deceased by the time of David Payne's visit that means the McCann's calmly and without any apparent emotion went out to dinner!

vyepar wrote:I believe that Poor Maddie was put in the Waste Bin that was nearby, as the rubbish collection was due, and would be known By Gerry and Kate McCann.

Kate shouts out that they have taken her, so people would not search for Maddie, but someone with her.

The so called " Tapas 9" had too much to lose, so they are keeping quiet.

It is too late to serch the Rubbish Dump, now but at the time , it would have been, so the poor soull could be put to rest

ChippyM wrote:

vyepar wrote:I believe that Poor Maddie was put in the Waste Bin that was nearby, as the rubbish collection was due, and would be known By Gerry and Kate McCann.

Kate shouts out that they have taken her, so people would not search for Maddie, but someone with her.

The so called " Tapas 9" had too much to lose, so they are keeping quiet.

It is too late to serch the Rubbish Dump, now but at the time , it would have been, so the poor soull could be put to rest

I would have thought police would check things like bin collection days and bins/ rubbish dumps as a matter of course when looking for a child that was missing. The people dealing with the rubbish may notice anything unusual in the refuse.  I also think a couple of well educated doctors would want a method of disposal that meant cause of death would not be discovered if the body found. Rubbish bins would be too random and sloppy IMO.

vyepar wrote:I still believe this, as according to this report, it was done four days later, and only bins and the surrounding area was searched.

Think of a body being dumped and then the amount of rubbish being put on top of this, in four days.

They would not have time to ceck this, and it seems as if they did not

vyepar wrote:I still believe this, as according to this report, it was done four days later, and only bins and the surrounding area was searched.

Think of a body being dumped and then the amount of rubbish being put on top of this, in four days.

They would not have time to ceck this, and it seems as if they did not

• A weapon, such as a baseball bat, fireplace poker or knife, which could contain sweat, skin, blood or other tissue
  
• A hat or mask, which could contain sweat, hair or dandruff
  
• A facial tissue or cotton swab, which could contain mucus, sweat, blood or earwax
  
• A toothpick, cigarette butt, bottle or postage stamp, all of which could contain saliva
  
• A used condom, which could contain semen or vaginal or rectal cells
  
• Bed linens, which could contain sweat, hair, blood or semen
  
• A fingernail or partial fingernail, which could contain scraped-off skin cells
  

vyepar wrote:You do not need a body for DNA

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The following list shows some common sources of DNA evidence:

• A weapon, such as a baseball bat, fireplace poker or knife, which could contain sweat, skin, blood or other tissue
  
  
  
• A hat or mask, which could contain sweat, hair or dandruff
  
  
  
• A facial tissue or cotton swab, which could contain mucus, sweat, blood or earwax
  
  
  
• A toothpick, cigarette butt, bottle or postage stamp, all of which could contain saliva
  
  
  
• A used condom, which could contain semen or vaginal or rectal cells
  
  
  
• Bed linens, which could contain sweat, hair, blood or semen
  
  
  
• A fingernail or partial fingernail, which could contain scraped-off skin cells
  
  
  

vyepar wrote:You do not need a body for DNA

Rather deaf old man and his wife went to Dr.
"He wants a specimen of urine"      Eh, What !
"And he wants a specimen of stool"    Yer what ?
And he wants some blood, and semen.    What did he say?

Oh just give him your underpants !

vyepar wrote:You do not need a body for DNA

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The following list shows some common sources of DNA evidence:

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• Bed linens, which could contain sweat, hair, blood or semen
  [...]
  

Châtelaine wrote:

vyepar wrote:You do not need a body for DNA

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The following list shows some common sources of DNA evidence:

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• Bed linens, which could contain sweat, hair, blood or semen
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One of the reasons I found it so strange, that DNA had to come from a pillow in Rothley .
If Madeleine was in PdL [and see no reasons why not], she seems not to have slept in HER own bed there ...

SixMillionQuid wrote:We've had two confirmations that the parents are not suspects. The parent's have not been made Arguido again despite the case being re opened. Sorry but I don't were else you can go from there.

Châtelaine wrote:

vyepar wrote:You do not need a body for DNA

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The following list shows some common sources of DNA evidence:

[...]

• Bed linens, which could contain sweat, hair, blood or semen
  [...]
  

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One of the reasons I found it so strange, that DNA had to come from a pillow in Rothley .
If Madeleine was in PdL [and see no reasons why not], she seems not to have slept in HER own bed there ...

Châtelaine wrote:

vyepar wrote:You do not need a body for DNA

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The following list shows some common sources of DNA evidence:

[...]

• Bed linens, which could contain sweat, hair, blood or semen
  [...]
  

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One of the reasons I found it so strange, that DNA had to come from a pillow in Rothley .
If Madeleine was in PdL [and see no reasons why not], she seems not to have slept in HER own bed there ...

Hicks wrote:I had hoped that my belief in the British justice system would win out.
I had hoped that SY were playing the long game, acting the fool, waiting to flush out more of the truth, more of the evidence and catch out the unsuspecting.
I had hoped that the PJ, who must be sitting on lots of evidence not yet out in the public domain, would now get the chance to bring it all to light.
I had hoped that the British press would now pick up on the real evidence that cannot be ignored, and start to rigorously ask the questions we know that need straight answers.

Instead what we are seeing is a whitewash of huge proportions. WHY!

notlongnow wrote:

Hicks wrote:I had hoped that my belief in the British justice system would win out.
I had hoped that SY were playing the long game, acting the fool, waiting to flush out more of the truth, more of the evidence and catch out the unsuspecting.
I had hoped that the PJ, who must be sitting on lots of evidence not yet out in the public domain, would now get the chance to bring it all to light.
I had hoped that the British press would now pick up on the real evidence that cannot be ignored, and start to rigorously ask the questions we know that need straight answers.

Instead what we are seeing is a whitewash of huge proportions. WHY!

To me this is the most concerning part.
It can't be to protect a few holidaymakers it has to be the knowledge/info they hold.

Hicks wrote:

notlongnow wrote:

Hicks wrote:I had hoped that my belief in the British justice system would win out.
I had hoped that SY were playing the long game, acting the fool, waiting to flush out more of the truth, more of the evidence and catch out the unsuspecting.
I had hoped that the PJ, who must be sitting on lots of evidence not yet out in the public domain, would now get the chance to bring it all to light.
I had hoped that the British press would now pick up on the real evidence that cannot be ignored, and start to rigorously ask the questions we know that need straight answers.

Instead what we are seeing is a whitewash of huge proportions. WHY!

To me this is the most concerning part.
It can't be to protect a few holidaymakers it has to be the knowledge/info they hold.

Standing back and looking at the whole picture you could be excused for thinking that this case-for whatever reason- is indeed a massive cover up.

Lets take a look........it is easy to explain away the influences of the-then- Labour party, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown sending Clarence Mitchell to be the McCann's mouthpiece (and that is exactly what he was/is) as the Labour party gaining brownie points in looking like a caring helpful government. By the same token we could just as easily wonder if the McCann's had help from the highest level due to something that must never be in the public domain. IMO governments don't go to such lengths for the ordinary Joe public.

Ambassador John Buck drove  three hours from Lisbon to PDL on the 4th May to' do everything he could to assist the McCann's. He accompanied them during the search on May5th and seems to have been around for weeks. I wish we could have been privy to the emails sent between the FO and John Buck!

Snr Amaral states that he was told ( though he won't disclose who told him)' some cases can have no endings -or something like that, he was being warned off.

sonic72 wrote:I'm surprised the poll is leaning towards 'justice' when there is nothing to indicate that justice will prevail?

lj wrote:

sonic72 wrote:I'm surprised the poll is leaning towards 'justice' when there is nothing to indicate that justice will prevail?

It's a battle between what you hope and what you really expect to happen.

lj wrote:

Hicks wrote:

notlongnow wrote:

Hicks wrote:I had hoped that my belief in the British justice system would win out.
I had hoped that SY were playing the long game, acting the fool, waiting to flush out more of the truth, more of the evidence and catch out the unsuspecting.
I had hoped that the PJ, who must be sitting on lots of evidence not yet out in the public domain, would now get the chance to bring it all to light.
I had hoped that the British press would now pick up on the real evidence that cannot be ignored, and start to rigorously ask the questions we know that need straight answers.

Instead what we are seeing is a whitewash of huge proportions. WHY!

To me this is the most concerning part.
It can't be to protect a few holidaymakers it has to be the knowledge/info they hold.

Standing back and looking at the whole picture you could be excused for thinking that this case-for whatever reason- is indeed a massive cover up.

Lets take a look........it is easy to explain away the influences of the-then- Labour party, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown sending Clarence Mitchell to be the McCann's mouthpiece (and that is exactly what he was/is) as the Labour party gaining brownie points in looking like a caring helpful government. By the same token we could just as easily wonder if the McCann's had help from the highest level due to something that must never be in the public domain. IMO governments don't go to such lengths for the ordinary Joe public.

Ambassador John Buck drove  three hours from Lisbon to PDL on the 4th May to' do everything he could to assist the McCann's. He accompanied them during the search on May5th and seems to have been around for weeks. I wish we could have been privy to the emails sent between the FO and John Buck!

Snr Amaral states that he was told ( though he won't disclose who told him)' some cases can have no endings -or something like that, he was being warned off.

I think it is not so much about people as about the British superiority. They made a gigantic gaffe by, out of the goodness of their hearts I like to believe, jumped in to help this bereaved couple.  Of course there was the beneficial side effect of being seen as a very caring human, something that most politicians urgently need. So they were unstoppable, nothing was too much to help this poor family. Ambassadors and consuls went way out of there way, and over the border of what is acceptable, in spite of a very clear warning from one of their own that this couple might not be what they pretend to be, and that the case was a snake pit.
Prime ministers on both sides got involved, another no no, but hey nothing is to much to help a damsel in distress (I am talking about Kate, not Madeleine, Madeleine fell of the radar almost immediately).

From the very first start I have said that that is the reason for the cover. All those VIPs can be caught with their pants down, or their pockets filled with stolen money, buy nothing is as noxious as looking/being stupid. That situation has only grown: more people, more PMs, more journalists, more police, and more money got involved. Now, even more than in the beginning, they will all look completely moronic if they have to admit that the parents made the body disappear. Imagine Andy having to say that Dr. Amaral was right, no way, that's not gonna happen. They will dig and dig until they find the right patsy. It is very visible from the "possible suspects"   getting more and more out of lala land iso having just one reason to become a suspect, other than being conveniently dead.

That's why I believe it will never be solved. Kate has not only Gerry, but everyone by the balls.

and she will squeeze.