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I'M NOT A BLEDDY HATER LORRAINE!

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I'M NOT A BLEDDY HATER LORRAINE!

Post by Guest on 21.10.13 22:43

Posted by Cristobell http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/im-not-bleddy-hater-lorraine.html

It is about time those who fawn over the McCanns stopped with the name calling.  For whatever reason, they are viewing this case through rose tinted glasses, never stopping for one moment to consider that their deeply entrenched, starry eyed judgement of this grieving couple might be wrong?

I don't believe the McCanns, and if anyone bothered to do a quick public opinion poll, it would soon become apparent, that not many people do.  The huge audiences they attract are not sympathetic to their plight, merely astonished that the debacle continues.

Like hundreds of thousands of others out there, I don't hate the McCanns, I hate being lied to.  I hate that these breakfast sofa Queens consider that their opinions are the only ones that matter, and that anyone who views this case differently to themselves must be low life scum who are persecuting the bereft parents of a missing child purely out of spite and malice.  How little they think of the non professional classes who make up a large chunk of their audience.

They have accepted, without question, the word of parents who admitted they left their children alone, almost every night of their holiday, even when their oldest child asked them why they didn't come to herself and her brother when they cried.  As heartbreaking as that is, the parents then went out again, and that child is missing, probably dead.  Are these commentators aware that on May 1st Madeleine cried non stop for over an hour, sobbing and screaming inbetween?  Are they aware of the distress of the elderly lady in the apartment upstairs, hearing this child cry and being unable to do anything? Are they holding their hands over their ears and saying 'that's horrid, I'm not listening'?

They are accepting, on the word of two former suspects, that experienced detective Goncalo Amaral and the Portuguese police who investigated Madeleine's disappearance are incompetent and corrupt, as too are the officials who run the Judiciary.  The final report does not say the parents are innocent, the final report says they lost the opportunity to prove their innocence. Kate refused to answer police questions and the entire group refused to return for a reconstruction.

Of course among the McCann watchers, there will be gloaters inevitable in a case such as this. Gloaters for non Blackadder fans, are people who crowd around to gloat at others' misfortunes.  The McCanns did of course give all of us an opportunity to pat ourselves on the backs, because unlike the good doctors, we would never have left our tiny children on their own to go out to dinner, so we are better than them.  However, those who wanted to say that, got it out of their system long ago.  Now the hot news is a Gerry lookalike wandering around PDL at 10pm with a Madeleine lookalike.  I could have tripled the length of that last sentence by stating it couldn't possibly be him, but I couldn't bring myself to type it.  Of course, my omission will lay me open to all sorts of hate mail, but, seriously, what are the chances of Gerry having a doppelganger in PDL, out and about enjoying the night air at the same time as himself, and making off with a child who looked exactly like Madeleine? They even had matching chinos with buttons down the side.  Spooky huh?  I say the aforementioned with trepidation, because I fear a future where questioning the McCanns will lead straight to jail without passing Go.

I must be careful. The watchers are watching our words.  I'm already on the Hate List of a known McCann enforcer.  Its kind of like the old McCarthy Blacklist, with name calling and character assassination. They keep track of my internet activity 24/7, its a bit creepy, but on the plus side, as a narcissistic writer I always have readers, and lucky me, they never miss a grammatical error!   They have after all these years, pretty much done their worst, but I still live in fear of them catching a picture of me scratching my arse and placing it alongside a picture of an outsize orangutan and a Spot the Difference caption.   I have confidence and paranoia issues.  I could cry sometimes, but it makes my eyes go puffy.  McCann supporters can be very cruel.  I wonder if  Lorraine and her colleagues are aware of the activities of the enforcement arm of the McCann campaign - have they ever bothered to look?

Over ninety percent of those who do not believe the McCanns are reasonable, logical people, from all walks of life, who simply find this story has gone so far into Wonderland that it no longer makes sense, not that it was up to much in the first place.  Those brave enough to dip a toe, will soon discover they are far from alone in their doubts.  Sadly, such is life, as in any movement or campaign, there is a small minority who cross the line, but for the majority of us who discuss this case, bad taste is bad taste, no matter what side you are on.  These journalists have the communication skills to challenge opinions they do not like, so why resort to ridiculous assertions and name calling?

Those of us on the receiving end of this constant abuse are here because we took an interest in the tragic case of a small girl who disappeared from her bed while on holiday.  We were alarmed at the disparities in the parents stories, their increasingly odd behaviour and the horrible feeling that we were being manipulated.  We had no idea then that we would come head to head with a fully armed media war machine that would go to any lengths to shut us up.

There is no evidence of abduction, and grown ups don't like being told to believe in something for which there is no definitive proof.  I believe God has the same problem.  The majority of child abduction cases involve the parents. It is not unreasonable to ask why Kate and Gerry McCann should be above suspicion.  A wicked crime has been committed, we should never forget that.  This case should not be about sympathy and support for the parents, it should be about discovering the fate of the child.  Rather than calling us names and dismissing us as 'haters' Lorraine et al should at least have the courtesy of listening to our reasons for not believing, and engage in civilised debate.

Why, for example, do they accept unconditionally  the word of two former suspects over that of the long serving detective Goncalo Amaral, his entire team, the English police involved in the original investigation and the Portuguese Judiciary?  Every lead was exhausted, the files, available to all, reveal  a thorough and transparent investigation carried out by the PJ, the biggest missing child search in Portugual's history.

Lorraine, Jane, Allison etc, should put aside their prejudice, and read the Portuguese investigation files, or even the book of Goncalo Amaral - its a more reader friendly version of the files, before judging this kind and dedicated cop, so cruelly.  He is not the monster portrayed by the McCanns and their spin doctors as the first few pages of The Truth of The Lie*, will quickly reveal.  They should also accept that a large number of their viewers and readers are so called 'haters' and 'nutcases' because they are astute enough to know when they are being lied to, even if the accomplished journalists and presenters don't.

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Post by Sockpuppet on 21.10.13 22:49

Very nice posting from Cristobell :)

As far as I see it, the first step in an investigation such as this should be to eliminate the parents as suspects.  And it is the duty of any parents who want to find their missing child to provide the evidence to eliminate themselves from the inquiry.  To date (in my opinion) the McCanns have not done this.

Yes, I'm not a 'hater' either.  I have no personal feelings towards the McCanns, I would just like to see this case resolved, in DCI Redwood's words 'it has gone on for too long', and I would like to see justice for that poor little girl who disappeared back in 2007.

As far as 'hating' goes, Lorraine Kelly is far more guilty of that than any of us here.

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Post by ultimaThule on 21.10.13 23:12

bravo Cristobell.  You have spoken for the 80% of yougov voters who, back in 2007, did not believe the McCanns were blameless in the matter of their daughter's disappearance and have seen no reason to alter their opinion in the intervening years. 

Should the litigious pair sue me I have already determined that I will seduce the judge embrace their surreal world by dressing as a banana, pleading satire, and replying 'well they would say that, wouldn't they' to every question put to me by their counsel.

Dr Amaral is nothing less than a hero fighting to maintain his country's hard won right to freedom of speech and I hope he will be universally recognised and acclaimed for the role he has played in bringing those responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to justice in the very near future.

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Post by Guest on 21.10.13 23:16

Two excellent post to end this day with.
Thank you and good night :-)

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Post by Sietah on 21.10.13 23:36

Now the hot news is a Gerry lookalike wandering around PDL at 10pm with a Madeleine lookalike
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Post by worriedmum on 21.10.13 23:50

And I would just like to add, to quote some-one else who has often said 'we can't change the past'- I'd like to add that

I can't 'un-read' what I've read
I can't 'un-see' what I've seen
I can't forget that at the heart of this is a little girl
And I can't 'un-care'.

To paraphrase that same person-'I can only move forwards'.

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Post by tiredofthebs on 21.10.13 23:59

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Think about it. Polls show 80% don't believe the McCanns. Well in that case, 80% of daytime TV luvvies should disbelieve them. But they don't.
 
They are too vitriolic about it. Coleen Nolan said we are all nutters, as did Fiona Philips and Lorraine Kelly at one point. They are toeing a line.

You have made two comments there as fact and would be libellousPlease be careful what you post.

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 22.10.13 0:00

Isn't it incredible how the people who shout 'vile', 'hater', 'troll' and 'abuse' are the ones who demonstrate the vilest, most hateful and most abusive behaviour towards any of us who disagree with the abduction myth theory. Cristobell speaks for me too: I'm a professional, mature person who just happens not to be able to stand lies, corruption and injustice. Nothing will bring Madeleine back but, as my Twitter bio says "The prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann must not be allowed to dictate what can and cannot be discussed about this case!!"

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Post by Who?What?Where? on 22.10.13 0:52

@ProfessorPPlum wrote:Isn't it incredible how the people who shout 'vile', 'hater', 'troll' and 'abuse' are the ones who demonstrate the vilest, most hateful and most abusive behaviour towards any of us who disagree with the abduction myth theory. Cristobell speaks for me too: I'm a professional, mature person who just happens not to be able to stand lies, corruption and injustice. Nothing will bring Madeleine back but, as my Twitter bio says "The prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann must not be allowed to dictate what can and cannot be discussed about this case!!"

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I think that is a good point. Why would there be a need for all those vitriolic term's from any  television presenter? They are being used against people, who just happen to have a different opinion to their's. All those people are doing, is trying to find the truth. Where is the harm in someone having an opinion? Why the need to defend, so aggressively, against that?

I have seen much more truth on this forum, than I have seen on lorraine kelly's couch.

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Post by Okeydokey on 22.10.13 1:00

@Who?What?Where? wrote:
@ProfessorPPlum wrote:Isn't it incredible how the people who shout 'vile', 'hater', 'troll' and 'abuse' are the ones who demonstrate the vilest, most hateful and most abusive behaviour towards any of us who disagree with the abduction myth theory. Cristobell speaks for me too: I'm a professional, mature person who just happens not to be able to stand lies, corruption and injustice. Nothing will bring Madeleine back but, as my Twitter bio says "The prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann must not be allowed to dictate what can and cannot be discussed about this case!!"

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I think that is a good point. Why would there be a need for all those vitriolic term's from any  television presenter? They are being used against people, who just happen to have a different opinion to their's. All those people are doing, is trying to find the truth. Where is the harm in someone having an opinion? Why the need to defend, so aggressively, against that?

I have seen much more truth on this forum, than I have seen on lorraine kelly's couch.
Lorraine Kelly will know lots of facts about the people she interviews that she never divulges to the public, but would shock the public if they knew them. She is part of the celeb lie machine.

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Post by Who?What?Where? on 22.10.13 1:08

Clifford must know load's of thing's that haven't been published..

They will probably all stay silent. Self preservation. They, probably, all think, that they are doing very well out out of this situation.

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Post by MrsC on 22.10.13 8:03

Well I'm happy to come out and say it, I'm happy to confess that I AM A HATER! There, it's out. Phew!

I hate the fact that they left 3 babies for several nights in a row while they went out boozing.

I hate the fact that Madeleine and one of her poor siblings were crying desperately on one very lonely dark night.

I hate the fact Madeleine's parents could be bothered to properly physically search for her.

I hate the fact that Madeleine's parents say they could sleep soundly just a few days after her disappearance.

I hate the fact that Madeleine's mother talks about her daughters genitals being torn apart but then says she doesn't believe she has come to any harm.

I hate the fact the 'we' the public are being lied to on a grand scale, the lies are there for all to see yet we have to ignore them.

I hate the smiling photos of Madeleine's parents taken just a few days/weeks after her disappearance. They make me feel so ill.

I hate the fact that they know we know and nobody seems to be able to do a darn thing about it.

I could go on, and on, and on...

I hate lots of things about this case but I don't hate the parents, they are not worthy of even my' hate'. I dislike them intensely, I can't bear to even look at them without experiencing strong feelings of utter distaste. They make the bile rise in my stomach.

No I don't hate them, I feel sorry for them, sorry that they surely do not have the same senses and feelings that most of the rest of us do. They are not 'normal', they are so far from it it hurts.

I feel pity for you Mr and Mrs McCann because you won't be able to beat karma, it is looking for you right now.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 22.10.13 8:22

I think one of the reasons that Lorraine and others of her ilk love to rail against the "haters" is that it is really doing her reputation no good. The posters here are analytical, articulate and won't fall for the rubbish fed to them by the MSM, the very people who use Madeleine for selling papers and bumping up viewing figures. Lorraine and the other bimbo presenters HAVE to write and present on matters dictated by their superiors at the TV channels and magazines, yet with that, it also brings a lot of derision for their limp, undemanding interview techniques.

They are paid a lot of money to cater to the "sheeple" who watch and read their drivel, the sorts of viewers that believe what they are told without analysis or critical thought, the sorts who live on a diet of soap operas and ready meals. People who question or analyse are the "enemy" of this sort of low-brow programming


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Post by Guest on 22.10.13 8:25

@MrsC wrote:I hate the fact that Madeleine's mother talks about her daughters genitals being torn apart but then says she doesn't believe she has come to any harm.
Not forgetting that Kate said could forgive the abductor.

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Post by Guest on 22.10.13 9:00

When the truth comes out - and it will come out eventually, that is when the McCanns will discover the true haters.

While we will sit back with relief that the truth is out, all of those people who blindly believed K&G and the media will have the rug pulled out from under them and their gullibility exposed. Those people will hate. Those people will make sure the McCanns names are up there with the likes of the moors murderers & the Wests when, in reality, their crimes are much less.

My feelings about the couple are, I suppose, that I'm indifferent. I don't care. I simply want them to stop their lies and I want them to stop destroying lives.

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Post by endgame on 22.10.13 9:23

If you turn this around and look at it from the other side, it is far more disturbing that those who claim to exclusively care about Madeleine unquestioningly accept everything that the McCanns have ever done. If you start from the point where you believe K and M are completely innocent, that Madeleine was abducted and for the last six years she may have been abused by paedophiles on a daily basis, how can you not be deeply concerned that

The McCanns refused to cooperate with the police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.
They changed their version of events over and over again
They spent almost a million pounds on two detective agencies run by criminals and with no experience of tracing missing persons
They spent five years telling the whole world to look for someone who didn't exist
For five years, they deliberately suppressed the  issue of  e-fits of  a man who is now being presented as a prime suspect
They have devoted large amounts of money and energy to a completely fatuous libel suit against GA
SY have spent 2 1/2 years going round in a large circle and six months putting together a Crimewatch programme which has "urgent" information 

etc etc. [make your own list]

If you genuinely believe that Madeleine is out there somewhere and you genuinely care about her, if you're a family member who knew her and loved her how can you not be spitting teeth at the way in which the McCanns have conducted themselves over the last six years and have totally failed in any way to actually assist the search for their daughter? If I cared about Madeleine and still believed she was out there somewhere I would be going bonkers at the McCanns over what they have and have not done. 

This for me is far more bizarre than that anyone should think that a police investigation should be based on evidence and conclusions drawn from evidence which is basically the stance that most who doubt the Mccanns start from.

If these people care so much about Madeleine being recovered from the hellish lair in which they believe she is being held why don't they ever ever question anything the McCanns do however utterly stupid, counter productive and against Madeleine's interests it might be?

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 22.10.13 9:29

I think it's fantastic to see how intelligent and decent the 'vile haters' are on these newspaper websites where critical comments are being accepted (and are staying up). 

When other reasonable people out there see they've been lied to about the 'haters' and the 'vile trolls' - when they see we're decent, principled people asking reasonable questions - they'll be wondering who it is that's been hell-bent on making us into monsters....and why. 

This decision to allow these comments (regardless of its motivation) is a huge step forward.

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Post by aiyoyo on 22.10.13 9:46

Well.........

.....if disbelieving and questioning the pair of con artists render us haters then I still rather remain on this side of the fence

.... than be any where near those boots licking sofa queens!

These sofa Queens are EXACTLY disease sufferers, with their noses stuck exactly up Mccanns arse; and they think stuff coming out of Mccanns arse smell fragrant! If they think they're going to fertilise people's thoughts with mccanns manure their ignorance is beyond pitiable.

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Post by Guest on 22.10.13 12:43

I'll just post this link here which is relevant http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8257-vile-trolls

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Post by OpenMind on 22.10.13 12:45

I work in an environment which is predominantly female and where I am the one of the youngest amongst many middle-aged women,  so the "maddie case" is often aired and I have long since learned to keep schtum.  For fear of ridicule,  name calling and general disdain ( all of which I was subject to previously when I spoke up)

However I have had a few questions of a more intrigued nature recently from some of my colleagues so have sent them here to educate themselves and report back to me.   I do believe that the general public (at least those with any sense) are beginning to see that all may not be as the MSM tell us.....

Oh and for your information - I work at a GP surgery and NO we don't leave any dead bodies lying around and I can quite truthfully say that I have never taken my kids toys to work with me!!!!  winkwink

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Post by Guest on 22.10.13 12:52

@OpenMind wrote:Oh and for your information - I work at a GP surgery and NO we don't leave any dead bodies lying around and I can quite truthfully say that I have never taken my kids toys to work with me!!!!  winkwink
You know what? I actually believe you.

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Post by lj on 22.10.13 14:17

@MrsC wrote:Well I'm happy to come out and say it, I'm happy to confess that I AM A HATER! There, it's out. Phew!

I hate the fact that they left 3 babies for several nights in a row while they went out boozing.

I hate the fact that Madeleine and one of her poor siblings were crying desperately on one very lonely dark night.

I hate the fact Madeleine's parents could be bothered to properly physically search for her.

I hate the fact that Madeleine's parents say they could sleep soundly just a few days after her disappearance.

I hate the fact that Madeleine's mother talks about her daughters genitals being torn apart but then says she doesn't believe she has come to any harm.

I hate the fact the 'we' the public are being lied to on a grand scale, the lies are there for all to see yet we have to ignore them.

I hate the smiling photos of Madeleine's parents taken just a few days/weeks after her disappearance. They make me feel so ill.

I hate the fact that they know we know and nobody seems to be able to do a darn thing about it.

I could go on, and on, and on...

I hate lots of things about this case but I don't hate the parents, they are not worthy of even my' hate'. I dislike them intensely, I can't bear to even look at them without experiencing strong feelings of utter distaste. They make the bile rise in my stomach.

No I don't hate them, I feel sorry for them, sorry that they surely do not have the same senses and feelings that most of the rest of us do. They are not 'normal', they are so far from it it hurts.

I feel pity for you Mr and Mrs McCann because you won't be able to beat karma, it is looking for you right now.

Good one!

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Post by tasprin on 22.10.13 15:05

Little Maddie obviously wasn't taken by people who wanted a child to bring up as their own. Someone like that would have chosen one of the 2-year-old twins, not an articulate, feisty, little four year old girl. If she was abducted, it could only have been by a paedophile who'd have killed her soon after OR - as happens in exceptionally rare cases - kept her and systematically abused her for the last six and a half years. Whichever way you look at it she came to terrible, unimaginable harm, yet these media women have turned themselves inside out trying to excuse the parents for leaving the children in an unlocked building every night.
In a country where there is so much child neglect and cruelty - one case after another, and we only get to hear of the very worst cases - by constantly minimising and air-brushing the parents actions, they are simply doing a disservice to vulnerable children everywhere. Their attitude is sinister and irresponsible. Would they be supporting the parents if one or more of the McCann children had been 'taken' by fire or smoke inhalation instead?  Even that horrible scenario can't be more cruel than what befell Maddie, if she was indeed the victim of a paedophile abduction.

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Post by Joss on 23.10.13 6:11

I think MSM and media relies on the "Dumbing Down" of the people out there that read it's oftentimes drivel. Maybe they can't fathom that people on these crime forums have a mind to be able to think and rationalise for themselves. It's an insult to smart people's intelligence. I think we all know by now the Bias in media, it serves a purpose. Their employees have to report the biases also because they rely on their pay checks like the rest of the employed population. But maybe some of those people need to be reminded that the people out there who don't believe the McCann B.S. don't work for them, and are allowed to have an unbiased opinion on this case, with all things taken into consideration, not things that are cherry picked to try and persuade of the McCann's innocence agenda.

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