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Post by Cristobell on 18.10.13 13:07

As the dust settles after these major developments, are we any wiser as to whether or not Madeleine McCann will ever get the justice she deserves?

I'm torn.  DCI Redwood is a canny fella.  He could outfox Cool Hand Luke if they went head to head in a game of poker.  Only a few months ago, he told us most sincerely, that they were looking for a 'live' Madeleine, but this much heralded latest Crimewatch had no age progression photographs and there were no appeals for Madeleine sightings.  No appeals from the parents to Madeleine or her kidnappers either.  The World's Most Wanted is a Magic Eye picture of a man who looks suspiciously like you know who, seen carrying a child by the Smith family.  

Those of us familiar with this case, know the Smith sightings are not new.  We also know, for whatever reason, the McCanns have never featured these photofits in any of their campaigns.  Scotland Yard seem to be going along the same lines as Goncalo Amaral, but presumably they will be permitted to follow these lines through to conclusion.  If this were a whitewash, they are following the right path to get the wrong answer.  Of course they could be like a group of scientists trying to repair a rocket in space, they must find a solution using only the parts that are available to them. The PJ files will always be available for comparison with their own.  

Taking Tannerman out of the equation was a stroke of genius, and it was done in such a way that it absolved Jane of any fault, should questions be asked as to why the world has been saturated with this disinformation this past 6 years.  It also supports the prejudiced views of those who have bought into the myth that the PJ made a shambles of the investigation on the grounds that they are not British.  Where are we now?  Who knows, we will have to wait for old Cool Hand to make his next move.

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Post by Ayniia on 18.10.13 13:25

I don't know where we are when SY keeps forgetting Eddie and Keela.
But IMHO the next move will be pinpoint the Efit to someone ( that they already have singled out from before CW was aired ). I think that if they had 99calls pointing to Gerry and 1 pointing to someone else, they'd ignore the 99...All IMHO.

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Post by PeterMac on 18.10.13 13:34

@Cristobell wrote:
Taking Tannerman out of the equation was a stroke of genius, and it was done in such a way that it absolved Jane of any fault, should questions be asked as to why the world has been saturated with this disinformation this past 6 years.  It also supports the prejudiced views of those who have bought into the myth that the PJ made a shambles of the investigation on the grounds that they are not British.
For me it does the first, letting the Tanner sighting be someone else, but supports the PJ, since they came to that conclusion on day ONE.
Only the insistence of TM that Tannerman WAS the Abductor forced the investigation down that track, for the PJ, M3, Halligen, Edgar, and all the rest.
And that line of thought was backed, as we know, by the Fund, solicitors, Carter-Ruck and everything else.
The TANNER sighting and TM's insistence on it is therefore responsible for 6 years of wasted effort.
At the very least.
So for me the PJ come out with flying colours - they knew knew that it was nonsense.
It is not their fault that the parents lied, and / or then refused to co-operate when they realised that Tannerman was out of the frame.

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Post by Cristobell on 18.10.13 13:36

@Ayniia wrote:I don't know where we are when SY keeps forgetting Eddie and Keela.
But IMHO the next move will be pinpoint the Efit to someone ( that they already have singled out from before CW was aired ). I think that if they had 99calls pointing to Gerry and 1 pointing to someone else, they'd ignore the 99...All IMHO.
Sounds about right Ayniia!  But what are the chances eh, same face, haircut, same build, same age, etc, etc.  But they must then convince us that not only was the child snatched in bizarre circumstances, but she was taken by a doppelganger of her father! And to be honest I don't think they have quite pulled off the magical appearance of crecheman after all these years.

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Post by corpushining on 18.10.13 13:36

Well surely the problem is they can NEVER identify the efit as Gerry as the receipt in the restaurant where the Smiths left says 9.50pm (I cant remember the exact time).

At that point wasn't Gerry with the ever reliable Jane and David?

Unless SY can break those two then Maddie can never get the justice she deserves.

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Post by Woofer on 18.10.13 13:37

@ Cristobel - "It also supports the prejudiced views of those who have bought into the myth that the PJ made a shambles of the investigation on the grounds that they are not British. "

And it may well be supported if Rebelo did a U turn and discarded the Smith sighting.  From thereonin it could well be considered a whitewash on the part of the PJ.  Why was GA really moved?  Why did Rebelo take a different tack?  Who instructed Rebelo to take a different tack and why? Why has the whole investigation been allowed to peter out since GA left?

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Post by russiandoll on 18.10.13 14:20

I agree with Peter M, but see your point re supporting prejudices against the PJ, Cristobell....if you mean those held by the majority of people who get their news of the case from the mass media.  Those people will just think that Portugal had the wrong man in their sights and ignored the right guy..... when in fact as GA said SY have discarded Tannerman[ very quickly I would imagine ]. Portugal could have saved Maddie or at least established what happened to her if they had ignored bundleman. 
 Which they did of course !

 The ignorance of these people describing Portugal as a 3rd world country is astounding. Do they ever read about its standard of living?

 How many people unfamiliar with the case files will not understand that the reason the PJ looked at A was that it was a distraction from B?

 I agree with you if that was your point.

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Post by columbostogeys on 18.10.13 16:30

@russiandoll wrote: The ignorance of these people describing Portugal as a 3rd world country is astounding. Do they ever read about its standard of living?

Thats the rub for me. BEFORE the 3rd May, Goncalo Amaral was considered a great detective and even to his own detriment tried to support his men in the Cipriano case and her lies. 

I bet he rued the day he met the McCanns because they ruined his live to get him off the case because they knew he was too good for their little schemes and would see right through them. I fear that GM pulled strings behind the scenes as he has an allegiance with our government.

As to where are we now.

No where, exactly where we were when GA was taken off the case.

We all knew as did he that the Tanner sight was bogus. He did concentrate on the Smith sighting, and was convinced it was Gerry, I think that was one of his downfalls perhaps exasperated at the way the case kept turning and the lack of cooperation he lost his way a bit.

Some how i get the feeling the sighting by the Smiths is bogus too, just another person walking into the town after collecting their child.

The one thing i do find really odd is 2 men were seen carrying a child, just wearing pyjamas at the end of April in Portugal. Are you serious. It is really cold then at night around 13c. It was 13c here yesterday in the UK and i had on a jumper, thick warm trousers, and a coat when I was outside.

A child who was picked up out of a warm bed would feel the cold surely....

The so called creche man, well i think thats a load of Who Shot John, it isnt true or its been twisted. I mean come on after 6 years seriously????

No nothing has changed. 

Just that SY are now spending a lot of our tax money going over old ground. They are not actually doing their own investigating are they, they are just going through the old files to see if there is anything there that could have been missed.

The one thing I think is really important in all this case is being totally ignored sadly. The dogs.

The lead detective in the case was convinced the child had died in the apartment.


In cooperation with the Judiciary Police the English authorities brought, at the time, two sniffer dogs who identified cadaver odour in the car rented by the McCann couple. 

These dogs were highly trained in their field and were used to indicate cadaver and blood.

These dogs were very expensive and very busy and highly sought after.   I find it strange that the British Authorities would sanction their use unless they too felt the child had died or had an accident in the apartment. They are used to find bodies and regardless of what people say have been instrumental in lots of cases even helping the FBI.

Just seems odd to me that they indicated and confirmed what the GA was thinking and yet it was zapped and he left.

Why did they offer the dogs if they too didnt believe she had been harmed? 

Anyway I just think its ground hog day.....sadly for Maddy.xx


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