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CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 2 DISCUSSION**** including CRIMEWATCH UPDATE (for what it was worth)

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Post by russiandoll on 15.12.13 17:50

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      Fr Hubbard bears a resemblance to one of the e fits.


       eta I don't think he is Smithman, just pointing out the likeness and that imo an o.k. looking but with no outstanding features  [ height-wise, hair-wise. glasses-wise],so unremarkable man, was used for the PdL walkabout.

 Then imo texted an all systems go for the raising of the alarm, once he knew that he had been seen carrying a child not too far from the scene of the crime.



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Post by Garrincha on 18.12.13 13:29

Just occurred to me, imo: the “Martin Brunt lookalike” E-Fit could be Russell O’Brien

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Post by NickE on 18.12.13 14:57


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Post by russiandoll on 18.12.13 15:42

The face of a man on a mission as contrasted with the faces of 2 people scared sh**less imo.  Only one showing it though. Yes, Gerry, your suspicions are correct. That man IS a clever chap.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbjM028CEAAa3hu.png

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 18.12.13 15:53

@Garrincha wrote:Just occurred to me, imo: the “Martin Brunt lookalike” E-Fit could be Russell O’Brien

How tall is Russell O'Brien? I thought I've read that he is fairly tall. Smithman was around 175cm to 180cm, so not particularly tall.

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Post by sammyc on 18.12.13 18:31

Thanks RussianDoll - That picture speaks volumes.  It says, to me anyway, that the McCanns haven't a clue how and where the joint investigation is going and are not being kept up to date by SY as they would have the gullible general public believe.  The McCanns can't trust anyone now and they don't know who has assisted SY in return for leniency.  Hope the body language experts are taking notes.

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Post by canada12 on 18.12.13 18:46

The hand-holding thing is useful for conveying "reaction cues" as well as "Yes, let me answer this one" or "No, you can answer this one" messages, along with any other pre-determined responses (one finger-tap means respond with "A", two finger-taps mean respond with "B", etc).

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Post by canada12 on 18.12.13 18:49

I wonder, if charged, Kate's defense will be that she was controlled and coerced by Gerry. She could conceivably testify against Gerry in return for a lesser charge....

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Post by bobbin on 18.12.13 18:51

@russiandoll wrote:The face of a man on a mission as contrasted with the faces of 2 people scared sh**less imo.  Only one showing it though. Yes, Gerry, your suspicions are correct. That man IS a clever chap.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbjM028CEAAa3hu.png
Don't they look daft too, grown people like that still holding hands, and in front of a senior policeman. Oh, the body language is eloquence itself.

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Post by Mirage on 18.12.13 18:56

@bobbin wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:The face of a man on a mission as contrasted with the faces of 2 people scared sh**less imo.  Only one showing it though. Yes, Gerry, your suspicions are correct. That man IS a clever chap.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbjM028CEAAa3hu.png
Don't they look daft too, grown people like that still holding hands, and in front of a senior policeman. Oh, the body language is eloquence itself.

Yes Bobbin, they look completely ridiculous. They do look completely gobsmacked too, so I have to retain a smidgeon of hope that AR will do right by the child.

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Post by Woburn_exile on 18.12.13 21:58

@sammyc wrote:Thanks RussianDoll - That picture speaks volumes.  It says, to me anyway, that the McCanns haven't a clue how and where the joint investigation is going and are not being kept up to date by SY as they would have the gullible general public believe.  The McCanns can't trust anyone now and they don't know who has assisted SY in return for leniency.  Hope the body language experts are taking notes.

So if my earlier hypothesis is correct and crecheman is a fabrication by SY (I thought so at the time) then at least 1 of the people in the Tapas gang has been got at.

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Post by NickE on 19.12.13 22:54

Very strange picture,taken on a child that seems to go into an entrance,and it does not appear to be a T7 apartment on the picture.
Who is this?
Who took the picture?


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Post by Hicks on 20.12.13 13:15

@NickE wrote:Very strange picture,taken on a child that seems to go into an entrance,and it does not appear to be a T7 apartment on the picture.
Who is this?
Who took the picture?


Haven't seen this pic before. Where did it come from? The child seems to be wearing a hat, like the one in the pool photo. Amelie's hat has a sort of flower pattern on it, you can see it if you enlarge the photo. A similar pattern is on the hat in this picture.  A pyjama top over a skirt or dress, strange combination of clothes.

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Post by Hicks on 20.12.13 13:23

Just had a quick look at the apartment block and found this picture, could it be the same type of flooring?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/APARTMENT.htm.

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Post by marconi on 20.12.13 13:42

The fund has existed for 6.5 years and nothing was done against it and I imagine it was because that there was no concrete proof of the death. One month ago it was shot down, probably by a British Judge, who knows.
My theory is that if it was shot down, there must be a serious reason.
In such a cases, statements and confessions are not enough. The police could need the body also because it is a complicated case.
I suspect more and more that something concrete has being found, identified, that the police are sure about the identification.
A blanket, clothes, DNA are perhaps not enough, I don't know. I suspect more and I think of the fact that the PJ reopened the case because they had new evidence.
Could it be the body? And if the fund is shot down could be because she did not die in the hands of strangers and the parents knew she was dead.
We have to wait.

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Post by NickE on 20.12.13 14:24

@Hicks wrote:
@NickE wrote:Very strange picture,taken on a child that seems to go into an entrance,and it does not appear to be a T7 apartment on the picture.
Who is this?
Who took the picture?


Haven't seen this pic before. Where did it come from? The child seems to be wearing a hat, like the one in the pool photo. Amelie's hat has a sort of flower pattern on it, you can see it if you enlarge the photo. A similar pattern is on the hat in this picture.  A pyjama top over a skirt or dress, strange combination of clothes.

The photo comes from http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_576.jpg in the category "Holiday photos",and yes it´s strange and I think the photo was taken in a very weird sitution,anyone know anything about the pyjama top?
In the explanation of the image on mccfiles it says "576-T R-90 Child in starry pajamas/shirt?"
The floor looks to have the same pattern, but I am unsure of the height of the skirting board, it looks lower on this picture,or?

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Post by worriedmum on 20.12.13 16:50

I think this has been discussed in the past;IIRC it is actually a raincoat and it is a child standing outside the lift(?) on  the same floor as the Payne's apartment?

The raincoat seems appropriate for the weather experienced during most of the holiday.

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Post by Guest on 20.12.13 17:59

Amelie is wearing something of a similar appearance in this photo.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/images/gerry-mccann-parents-of-missing-child-madeleine-mccann-gerry-and-kate-mccann-may-26-2007-ZZYMXp.jpg

The collar of the garment in the other photo is more reminiscent to me of a pyjama jacket though.


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Post by ulyssesoh on 21.12.13 3:38

[quote="Hicks"]Just had a quick look at the apartment block and found this picture, could it be the same type of flooring?

[url=http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/APARTMENT.htm]http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/APARTMENT.htm[/url].[/quote]

Don't think so, Hicks, the pattern is subtly different and the tiles that form a kind of skirting board are also different. 

One thing I notice here is the child's left arm gesture. Similar to many photos of Madeleine, as someone noted on another thread recently in relation to another picture.

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Post by Woburn_exile on 21.12.13 5:54

@Hicks wrote:
@NickE wrote:Very strange picture,taken on a child that seems to go into an entrance,and it does not appear to be a T7 apartment on the picture.
Who is this?
Who took the picture?


Haven't seen this pic before. Where did it come from? The child seems to be wearing a hat, like the one in the pool photo. Amelie's hat has a sort of flower pattern on it, you can see it if you enlarge the photo. A similar pattern is on the hat in this picture.  A pyjama top over a skirt or dress, strange combination of clothes.

The picture was taken inside the Windsor hotel in London.
 spin spin spin 

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Post by NickE on 21.12.13 7:21

@Woburn_exile wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@NickE wrote:Very strange picture,taken on a child that seems to go into an entrance,and it does not appear to be a T7 apartment on the picture.
Who is this?
Who took the picture?


Haven't seen this pic before. Where did it come from? The child seems to be wearing a hat, like the one in the pool photo. Amelie's hat has a sort of flower pattern on it, you can see it if you enlarge the photo. A similar pattern is on the hat in this picture.  A pyjama top over a skirt or dress, strange combination of clothes.

The picture was taken inside the Windsor hotel in London.
 spin spin spin 

Thanks,case closed.

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Post by NickE on 21.12.13 11:49

Is there any information about the book "How to hide a Corpes" book that was found in the K & G villa on August 3rd 2007?
Did they have any explanation?

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Post by tiny on 27.01.14 18:31

Just been reading the leicester mercury ,and andy redwood said this


  “We are fighting so hard for Madeleine McCann and the public are joining us in this fight.

who is he fighting,??????

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Post by Guest on 27.01.14 18:45

@tiny wrote:Just been reading the leicester mercury ,and andy redwood said this


  “We are fighting so hard for Madeleine McCann and the public are joining us in this fight.

who is he fighting,??????

Tiny, do you have a link for this?
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Post by sami on 27.01.14 18:49

@tiny wrote:Just been reading the leicester mercury ,and andy redwood said this


  “We are fighting so hard for Madeleine McCann and the public are joining us in this fight.

who is he fighting,??????


Was it Crimewatch where he used that fighting phrase also?  I must say I found him sincere when he said it, his demeanour was different to other interviews.

Whether you subscribe to the whitewash theory or not, if he is a sincere policeman in the middle of all of this, I feel for him.  Without doubt there are influences over the investigation and if sincere it must be one hell of a difficult job to do.

Time will tell.

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