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Post by chillyheat on 17.10.13 20:49

I am of the opinion that SY has finally realised that Tannerman was a complete fakery. I will try and explain it the best I can. JT cannot change her positioning when she said she spotted him. The photofit shows him as a side view, walking from left to right. That means he was walking away. SY now say (bluffing I think), that Tannerman has come forward. The police it seems are tell ing her, we know you made this abduction story up....I hope you understand what Im getting at.
I don't believe anyone has come forward. Now she needs to explain why he would be walking from left to right...If she said she spotted someone walking away spinning she might have got away with it

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Post by MRNOODLES on 17.10.13 21:23

@ChillyHeat wrote:I am of the opinion that SY has finally realised that Tannerman was a complete fakery. I will try and explain it the best I can. JT cannot change her positioning when she said she spotted him. The photofit shows him as a side view, walking from left to right. That means he was walking away. SY now say (bluffing I think), that Tannerman has come forward. The police it seems are tell ing her, we know you made this abduction story up....I hope you understand what Im getting at.
I don't believe anyone has come forward. Now she needs to explain why he would be walking from left to right...If she said she spotted someone walking away spinning she might have got away with it
You're not on your own.  There's a good number of people with the opinion, that SY has invented this witness, because they know JT invented him in the first place.

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.10.13 21:55

@ChillyHeat wrote:I am of the opinion that SY has finally realised that Tannerman was a complete fakery. I will try and explain it the best I can. JT cannot change her positioning when she said she spotted him. The photofit shows him as a side view, walking from left to right. That means he was walking away. SY now say (bluffing I think), that Tannerman has come forward. The police it seems are tell ing her, we know you made this abduction story up....I hope you understand what Im getting at.
I don't believe anyone has come forward. Now she needs to explain why he would be walking from left to right...If she said she spotted someone walking away spinning she might have got away with it
I suspect JT was invited to give her explanation to the police prior to Monday's Crimewatch. 

What is more interesting is that a revised timeline has been established which shows any abductor would only have had a window of opportunity of little more than 10 minutes before 10pm on the night of 3 May 2007 to remove a child from apartment 5A.

As the McCanns' made a live appearance on the programme following the 'reconstruction' shown this week which established this fact, and as Andy Redwood has assured us they have been regularly updated throughout his investigation, we can assume they have not contested, nor will they be contesting, the revised timeline.

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Post by PeterMac on 17.10.13 22:05

It really is BIZARRE.
With Tanner's sighting they had only 1 minute and 20 seconds.

Now they have
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About one minute and thirty seconds.

It still makes no sense. There was still no abduction.
SY know that.
TM know that.
They just have to wait until Smithman comes forward and says he is a good father, who was "looking after his child"

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Post by Guest on 17.10.13 22:06

@ChillyHeat wrote:I am of the opinion that SY has finally realised that Tannerman was a complete fakery. I will try and explain it the best I can. JT cannot change her positioning when she said she spotted him. The photofit shows him as a side view, walking from left to right. That means he was walking away. SY now say (bluffing I think), that Tannerman has come forward. The police it seems are tell ing her, we know you made this abduction story up....I hope you understand what Im getting at.
I don't believe anyone has come forward. Now she needs to explain why he would be walking from left to right...If she said she spotted someone walking away spinning she might have got away with it
She also drew a map, showing him to walk from left to right

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Post by StraightThinking on 17.10.13 22:10

@Portia wrote:
Now she needs to explain why he would be walking from left to right...If she said she spotted someone walking away spinning she might have got away with it
She also drew a map, showing him to walk from left to right
She should tell NSY/CW that their man must be a different bloke, you can't get much more different than walking in completely the opposite direction
ie Bundleman still "exists"

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Post by tiredofthebs on 17.10.13 22:56

@ultimaThule wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:I am of the opinion that SY has finally realised that Tannerman was a complete fakery. I will try and explain it the best I can. JT cannot change her positioning when she said she spotted him. The photofit shows him as a side view, walking from left to right. That means he was walking away. SY now say (bluffing I think), that Tannerman has come forward. The police it seems are tell ing her, we know you made this abduction story up....I hope you understand what Im getting at.
I don't believe anyone has come forward. Now she needs to explain why he would be walking from left to right...If she said she spotted someone walking away spinning she might have got away with it
I suspect JT was invited to give her explanation to the police prior to Monday's Crimewatch. 

What is more interesting is that a revised timeline has been established which shows any abductor would only have had a window of opportunity of little more than 10 minutes before 10pm on the night of 3 May 2007 to remove a child from apartment 5A.

As the McCanns' made a live appearance on the programme following the 'reconstruction' shown this week which established this fact, and as Andy Redwood has assured us they have been regularly updated throughout his investigation, we can assume they have not contested, nor will they be contesting, the revised timeline.
Perhaps they should update their website to that effect.

This is a screenshot of the findmadeleine website, taken a few minutes ago:

http://i41.tinypic.com/vhfeag.png

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Post by MoonGoddess on 17.10.13 23:17

One of the things that jumped out at me in the UK CW was:-

"The British father had collected his daughter from the crèche, he had been walking near the McCann’s apartment"

well that's a rather ambiguous descriptive under the circumstances...

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Post by Okeydokey on 18.10.13 1:57

@MoonGoddess wrote:One of the things that jumped out at me in the UK CW was:-

"The British father had collected his daughter from the crèche, he had been walking near the McCann’s apartment"

well that's a rather ambiguous descriptive under the circumstances...
Hmmm...v. interesting observation. If the Police are saying that (presumably CW are reflecting Police statements) then they may in effect be alleging someone has taken one observation and turned it into another.

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Post by Seek truth on 18.10.13 5:26

@MRNOODLES wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:I am of the opinion that SY has finally realised that Tannerman was a complete fakery. I will try and explain it the best I can. JT cannot change her positioning when she said she spotted him. The photofit shows him as a side view, walking from left to right. That means he was walking away. SY now say (bluffing I think), that Tannerman has come forward. The police it seems are tell ing her, we know you made this abduction story up....I hope you understand what Im getting at.
I don't believe anyone has come forward. Now she needs to explain why he would be walking from left to right...If she said she spotted someone walking away spinning she might have got away with it
You're not on your own.  There's a good number of people with the opinion, that SY has invented this witness, because they know JT invented him in the first place.
Agree.

And maybe the cover up is almost over.

sarcastic  Your Mr Bean image is making me laugh, it kind of reminds me of Andy in Crimewatch.

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Post by MoonGoddess on 18.10.13 11:15

@Okeydokey wrote:
@MoonGoddess wrote:One of the things that jumped out at me in the UK CW was:-

"The British father had collected his daughter from the crèche, he had been walking near the McCann’s apartment"

well that's a rather ambiguous descriptive under the circumstances...
Hmmm...v. interesting observation. If the Police are saying that (presumably CW are reflecting Police statements) then they may in effect be alleging someone has taken one observation and turned it into another.
That is exactly what I think JT has done, perhaps it could also be alleged that she has not done that to protect the McC's but someone else a bit closer to home!

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Post by Briohazard on 09.11.13 6:15

Tanner checked her kids at 9.15... And then her partner checked at 9.30 and one had been sick? In 15 minutes?

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Post by Guest on 09.11.13 10:15

It only takes a few seconds to be sick!

It's not a good idea to leave children unattended because all sorts of problems can arise and I don't mean the billion to one chance that a paedophile has been stalking you for days waiting for you to go out.

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Post by cockerspaniel on 09.11.13 11:57

Can someone please give me a REASONABLE hypothesis as to why CW thought they could show someone walking in THE WRONG DIRECTION ! even being so bold as to show a map of where the night creche is, knowing full well that anyone with even a small amount of knowledge of the case would spot this straight away?

Are they trying to tell us something, or do they seriously have that much contemt for us?

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Post by MrsC on 09.11.13 11:58

@cockerspaniel wrote:

Are they trying to tell us something, or do they seriously have that much contemt for us?
I would go with the latter.

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Post by Briohazard on 09.11.13 12:00

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It only takes a few seconds to be sick!

It's not a good idea to leave children unattended because all sorts of problems can arise and I don't mean the billion to one chance that a paedophile has been stalking you for days waiting for you to go out.
Quite right. I assumed something like gastro, I suppose, where you don't feel well for a little while first.

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Post by Briohazard on 09.11.13 12:02

@cockerspaniel wrote:Can someone please give me a REASONABLE hypothesis as to why CW thought they could show someone walking in THE WRONG DIRECTION ! even being so bold as to show a map of where the night creche is, knowing full well that anyone with even a small amount of knowledge of the case would spot this straight away?

Are they trying to tell us something, or do they seriously have that much contemt for us?
 
Elimination of "tanner man" heading towards murats? Discrediting tanner. Introduction of "crèche man" as an entirely different person

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Post by tigger on 09.11.13 14:00

I've lifted this from page 1 of the Burgau topic -  it's relevant here and newbies may be surprised at the amount of information is waiting to be re-examined in the files here. 



 Re: What was so special about Burgau?
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It appears that in two statements (presumably made to Mr Cowley) JW was not sure whether she had seen “a suspect male ambling along” from a position in her apartment, from another apartment , tennis courts, pool or from the road. The information is further confused in the Channel 4 program because it implies that ontwo occasions, while she was walking in the street, JW saw “Pimple Man” standingwatching Apartment 5A and not “ambling along”. Also the screenshot suggests a sighting by “JW” on 30th April 2007. This did not feature in the Channel 4 program.


Light was thrown on the identity of “JW” in an article in the Sun on 12th May 2009 by Antonella Lazzeri (another McCann close confidante) who stated:






  • She is a 36 year old mother of two: one a 3 year old girl


  • She rented an apartment 3 doors away from Apartment 5A


  • She reported her suspicions to her local police – in Wiltshire – in May 2007


Analysis of the Ocean Club Booking records indicates that “JW” may be Mrs J Weinburger, who travelled to Faro from Belfast on 28th April 2007, and stayed in Apartment “G4” (ie 3 doors away from the McCanns) in Waterside Gardens for seven days with her husband “P Weinburger”, a 3 year old daughter and an 11 month old infant. There is no trace of this family on the UK’s Electoral Roll, and no recorded directorships: this is fairly unusual for a British citizen unless there are security or other reasons for redaction.


However, a “Paul M Weinberger”, who works for Enigma Diagnostics Limited is now based in Porton Down, Wiltshire. This is a private company, founded in 2004 as a joint venture between the UK Government - through the top secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down -and the private venture capitalists Porton Capital Technology Fund. Mr Weinberger was previously employed as Director of Business Development for Roche Diagnostics, the world’s largest diagnostic company. Mr Weinberger specialises in “in vitro diagnostics” and is a member of the Executive Committee of the “British In Vitro Diagnostics Association”.


Porton Down is an Executive Agency of the Ministry of Defence and the site is said to be one of the UK’s most sensitive secret government facilities for military research especially related to chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (Here we go again!)weapons.


It is not certain that Mr Weinberger, of Enigma Diagnostics, is the man who stayed at the Ocean Club in May 2007, but it looks that way. Another link between the Weinbur or Weinbergers and Wiltshire is the fact that they made dinner bookings at the Tapas Bar with Dr Julian Totman who is also from Salisbury in Wiltshire.


Miss Lazzeri reported that JW, on returning from Portugal, in May 2007, informed her local police – based in Wiltshire (and thus a link to Paul M Weinberger in Wiltshire) who advised the Leicestershire police who


failed to follow up her lead. It was only when she received an emotional phone call from Maddie’s mum Kate nearly two years later (thus in April or May 2009 possibly to get a bit more spice for the Channel 4 program) that a photofit based on her description was put together…. When Kate asked me to help, I agreed immediately. But the police should have asked 2 years ago. It was only after Kate got in touch that the woman learnt two other witnesses saw an identical man… I can’t believe our three sightings weren’t linked earlier”


The problem is, which “JW” was not told, that the descriptions given to the PJ by the “two other witnesses” were nothing like “Pimple Man” and that their reports had been fully investigated, the suspects identified and eliminated. But failure to act on “JW’s” evidence adds to the Leicestershire Police’s record of tardiness in its delayed handing of the statements of Kate and Arul, photographs of potential suspects: not to mention a recent detailed report on the crèche records. Can any police force be that bad? Or was Leicestershire’s job simply to kill the investigation, possibly on Home Office instructions, whose political intervention – in such cases as Damian Green – are so worrying? And if “JW” attached any importance to her sighting why did she do nothing further about it for 2 years, especially when it might have qualified her for a large reward? And why did Kate McCann leave it until the last moment to call her? The bottom line is that “JW’s” “evidence” justifies very close scrutiny.

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Post by Copodenieve on 09.11.13 17:22

I read another theory on TEXTUSA that maybe Smithman was real and was indeed GM, and because he had been seen by the Smith´s family, Tannerman had then been invented by MT fitting the description to Smithman to prove that it couldn´t have been GM because he was seen in the same place at the same time as the Tannerman sighting. It seemed like a good theory to me at the time, but after reading so much on this forum, I am now fairly convinced that neither Tannerman nor Smithman really exist at all.

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Post by tigger on 09.11.13 18:07

@Copodenieve wrote:I read another theory on TEXTUSA that maybe Smithman was real and was indeed GM, and because he had been seen by the Smith´s family, Tannerman had then been invented by MT fitting the description to Smithman to prove that it couldn´t have been GM because he was seen in the same place at the same time as the Tannerman sighting. It seemed like a good theory to me at the time, but after reading so much on this forum, I am now fairly convinced that neither Tannerman nor Smithman really exist at all.
She didn't see the man on the 3rd. Imo it was a made up sighting. At the request as we see of KM. 
Lazzeri prints what TM wants imo. Haven't heard much from her lately. 

I do believe the Smith sighting. If he wanted to alibi Murat he'd have given 9.15  as that crucial time was known by then. Otherwise why mention a man at all at the wrong time. Just my opinion and that's what a forum is for.

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Post by Guest on 09.11.13 19:28

@tigger wrote: [...]
I do believe the Smith sighting. If he wanted to alibi Murat he'd have given 9.15  as that crucial time was known by then. Otherwise why mention a man at all at the wrong time. Just my opinion and that's what a forum is for.
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Post by Copodenieve on 09.11.13 19:38

@tigger wrote:
@Copodenieve wrote:I read another theory on TEXTUSA that maybe Smithman was real and was indeed GM, and because he had been seen by the Smith´s family, Tannerman had then been invented by MT fitting the description to Smithman to prove that it couldn´t have been GM because he was seen in the same place at the same time as the Tannerman sighting. It seemed like a good theory to me at the time, but after reading so much on this forum, I am now fairly convinced that neither Tannerman nor Smithman really exist at all.
She didn't see the man on the 3rd. Imo it was a made up sighting. At the request as we see of KM. 
Lazzeri prints what TM wants imo. Haven't heard much from her lately. 

I do believe the Smith sighting. If he wanted to alibi Murat he'd have given 9.15  as that crucial time was known by then. Otherwise why mention a man at all at the wrong time. Just my opinion and that's what a forum is for.
Well, trying to look on the positive side...if Smithman is for real, I think it will be proven eventually that it was GM, and if Smithman didn´t exist, then that would mean the elimination of the only shred of evidence they have that indicates towards an abduction. Either way GM will have to start answering some questions. (just my opinion too thumbsup )

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Post by pennylane on 09.11.13 19:46

Châtelaine wrote:
@tigger wrote: [...]
I do believe the Smith sighting. If he wanted to alibi Murat he'd have given 9.15  as that crucial time was known by then. Otherwise why mention a man at all at the wrong time. Just my opinion and that's what a forum is for.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 10.11.13 12:44

If JT invented Tannerman entirely, she would have been very surprised indeed when SY informed us all that he had come forward to be eliminated from the enquiry.

If she did actually see someone in the vicinity of the apartments then it should be quite easy to check the time he left the night creche, and also, probably, which way he went. (Something the PJ probably did six years ago) 

Presumably, no one walks further than they need to carrying a barefoot child with no blanket at 9.15 pm on a chilly night, especially if they're holding a child across their arms. It's possible, I suppose, that he took a wrong turning on the way back to his own apartment, but then he had probably been in PdL all week already, and 9.15 pm is a bit early for him to have been drunk, so not very likely.

I don't know if there are any shops on that route, from the night creche to apartment 5A, but the supermarket which closes at 9 pm is in a different direction, in any case it would be impossible to buy anything if you were carrying a child across your arms, and it would make more sense to go to the shop en route to the creche and not after.

Other than this I can't really see any reason why Tannerman would make a detour, unless he had walked with somebody else to their apartment before returning to his own (another person using the night creche?) but then the police would likely be aware of that too.

It seems to me that, whichever way you look at it, the police know quite a bit more about Tannerman than we have so far been told.

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Post by bellum on 10.11.13 13:17

The worst of this sighting is that Jane Tanner  "recognized' Murat, when he was crossing the street, in a reconstrution.

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