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GERMAN VERSION OF CRIMEWATCH- Totally different to ours

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Post by The Slave on 16.10.13 23:16

I've just watched the German 'Version of the events'......
Oldfield will crack next.
Amazing.
The interview was somethin' else.
It's like watching Kate commit 'death by a thousand cuts' on the lot of 'em.



Here is the link

http://www.zdf.de/Aktenzeichen-XY-...-ungelöst/Wo-ist-Madeleine-30183896.html

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Post by Sceneset on 16.10.13 23:22

Gosh, how telling, is this on the link that was listed earlier? I couldn't find it on the live stream link.

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Post by flaxyard on 16.10.13 23:25

Can someone post the german interview up please?

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Post by The Slave on 16.10.13 23:26


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Post by Sceneset on 16.10.13 23:26

Thank you ! X

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Post by The Slave on 16.10.13 23:30

Hold on to your seat....it's a bumpy ride.laughat

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Post by Sceneset on 16.10.13 23:33

I'm just boarding now and luckily,  have a very strong stomach smilie

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Post by jeanmonroe on 16.10.13 23:50

http://www.zdf.de
Please get the German video.

It shows Wilkins and McCann on the other side of the road, totally making Wilkins to be a liar, despite his sworn statements.
Shows Tanner getting clear run from OC to top of road.

Please someone get it.

http://www.zdf.de

http://www.zdf.de/Aktenzeichen-XY-...-ungelöst/Wo-ist-Madeleine-30183896.html

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Post by Guest on 17.10.13 0:04

@jeanmonroe wrote:http://www.zdf.de
Please get the German video.

It shows Wilkins and McCann on the other side of the road, totally making Wilkins to be a liar, despite his sworn statements.
Shows Tanner getting clear run from OC to top of road.

Please someone get it.

http://www.zdf.de

http://www.zdf.de/Aktenzeichen-XY-...-ungelöst/Wo-ist-Madeleine-30183896.html
Just watched it all

Yes GM and JW on other side of the road, nowhere near Jane Tanner walking past!!

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Post by Mirage on 17.10.13 0:05

Why is the German version getting the JW meets GM bit AND on GM's preferred side of the road ie opposite stairwell. Then JT comes up the street and sees the man with child crossing. It is then revealed that this was creche man as per our version.

The other thing of note was the great play of MO insisting on the check in place of KM and a lot of headshaking from KM who has jumped to her feet and casting looks of uncertainty around. MO is very insistent. He goes. She sits again, with the reluctant look still on face. I don't speak German but it wasn't hard to spot that there was a great emphasis on this exchange. All very weird.

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Post by Mirage on 17.10.13 0:30

@The Slave wrote:I've just watched the German 'Version of the events'......
Oldfield will crack next.
Amazing.
The interview was somethin' else.
It's like watching Kate commit 'death by a thousand cuts' on the lot of 'em.
Totally agree with that, The Slave. Perhaps she can recommend a good lawyer.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.10.13 0:32

http://www.zdf.de/Aktenzeichen-XY-...-ungelöst/Wo-ist-Madeleine-30183896.html
CARTAS ROGATORIAS 5
Pages 25 to 29
Date: 8 April 2008
LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD
WITNESS TESTIMONY OF JEREMY WILKINS
This statement, consisting of five pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have willfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.
I was told that these questions originated from the rogatory letter sent by the Portuguese authorities. I am aware that my deposition is subject to the Portuguese Criminal Code in addition to British law.
When I left the street, I remember seeing Gerry on the other side of the same. I believe that there was some speculation in the press regarding the circumstances of this encounter. I REMEMBER THAT I CROSSED THE STREET TO TALK TO GERRY.
Volume XIII p. 3407 - 3409.

LEICESTERSHIRE CONSTABULARY
OFFICER’S REPORT

Date: 05/11/07
As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. HE (JW) CROSSED THE ROAD and engaged in general conversation with Gerry. At this time they were stood with Gerry’s back to the building NEAR TO THE GATE and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10 – 15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left.

WILKINS HAS TO BE PROSECUTED!

German re-con got him bang to rights!

HE DIDN'T CROSS THE ROAD TO SPEAK WITH MCCANN AS HE SAID IN HIS TWO STATEMENTS LIABLE TO PROSECUTION BY PORTUGUESE CRIMINAL LAW AND UK LAW!

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Post by russiandoll on 17.10.13 0:33

I am not able to watch this, will try again.  Why is it so important, it should be same as UK one ?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.10.13 0:33

@russiandoll wrote:I am not able to watch this, will try again.  Why is it so important, it should be same as UK one ?
TOTALLY DIFFERENT, IMO!

Get it.

http://www.zdf.de

http://www.zdf.de/Aktenzeichen-XY-...-ungelöst/Wo-ist-Madeleine-30183896.html

HOW or WHY have the German re-con got it so WRONG?

Wilkins and McCann on opposite side of street to Tanner. (like DE/McCann 'mockumentary')

Door to kids room still on LEFT hand side, when in reality it is on the RIGHT hand side.

Madeleine bed sheets all screwed up in middle of bed, not all neat as in UK re-con.

Lights in kids room on when 'Kate runs to tapas.

WTF is going on?

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Post by Guest on 17.10.13 0:34

@russiandoll wrote:I am not able to watch this, will try again.  Why is it so important, it should be same as UK one ?
It's nothing like the UK one RD.

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Post by russiandoll on 17.10.13 0:57

Just managed to watch it. Why was the UK one not shown dubbed in German? The expense alone is staggering .

 And this one was made at an OC resort, was it in PdL?

  Am I imagining re UK CW, there was no shot of Gerry and Jez anywhere when Jane went on her check? Here there was and they decided to go with the side of the street where Jane might have passed unnoticed. Still think not in those flip flops.

 And why was there a creepy man in the shadows in the alley between apartments and pool area,  as the group were eating?

 looked very melodramatic to me and the insinuation that MO was actively trying to get Kate not to check was puzzling.

 as if she was not in the loop about something........

 anyway I was struck by how dark and isolated it all looked, nowhere I would leave a young child .

 very weird.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.10.13 0:57

I HOPE WILKINS HAS GOT A GOOD 'BRIEF'!

HE'S BEING SET UP GOOD AND PROPER.

MCCANNS COULD HAVE POINTED OUT THE 'MISTAKE' ABOUT CROSSING THE STREET, BEFORE BROADCAST BUT THEY DIDN'T! AND LET IT BE BROADCAST WITH WILKINS SHOWING TO BE A LIAR ABOUT CROSSING THE STREET!

WILKINS GET YOUR ASS DOWN TO YOUR COP SHOP RIGHT NOW!

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Post by russiandoll on 17.10.13 1:05

why different ? may be different again in Ireland and Holland.

 Coz whichever version of ummmmmmm err you get, it is all crap.

 Tannerman is gone.

 All the stuff about the door being open wider and the times.........were to fit in with Tannerman.

 Given the stated checks and no Tannerman at 9.15, the door has got them bang to rights.

 I think it has but....I am very tired. But it can now be called a trap-door ! 

 back tomorrow.

 might make more sense then !

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Post by Karen Pinto on 17.10.13 1:05

note at 21: 54 Gerry slips up and says "how much we LOVED her"?? I think the reporter asked Gerry what he would say to Madeleine

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Post by suzyjohnson on 17.10.13 1:05

Just watched the German version. I didn't expect it to be different to the Uk one, it would be interesting to know why. Different interpretations of the information? Aimed at a different audience?

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Post by notlongnow on 17.10.13 1:09

@jeanmonroe wrote:I HOPE WILKINS HAS GOT A GOOD 'BRIEF'!

HE'S BEING SET UP GOOD AND PROPER.

MCCANNS COULD HAVE POINTED OUT THE 'MISTAKE' ABOUT CROSSING THE STREET, BEFORE BROADCAST  BUT THEY DIDN'T! AND LET IT BE BROADCAST WITH WILKINS SHOWING TO BE A LIAR ABOUT CROSSING THE STREET!

WILKINS GET YOUR ASS DOWN TO YOUR COP SHOP RIGHT NOW!
The way i see it that is the plan,and maybe the same with MO,to instill some feeling of isolation/blame and get tounges moving.

Also maybe the same ploy used on monday with JT and 3 guests.

Very clever if that is the plan.

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Post by russiandoll on 17.10.13 1:13

Redwood definitely used the a word here with ref to Smithman,,,,, could be M's abductor. Child there seemed not to be carried upright as in UK CW, more diagonally across his body.

 and I don't get the man in the shadows at about 9.30 in the alleyway.

 Made as a drama doc of McCanns version, so not very different in that respect to UK CW.

 Tannerman gone and their statements are set in stone, I never heard AR mention translation errors in either film.
 
 So as long as no Tannerman and the timings of checks are the same,  they are trapped as far as I can see.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.10.13 1:15

@suzyjohnson wrote:Just watched the German version. I didn't expect it to be different to the Uk one, it would be interesting to know why. Different interpretations of the information? Aimed at a different audience?
I disagree, either Wilkins CROSSED the street or he didn't!

J Wilkins OR G McCann IS 'lying'!

And BEFORE they supposedly KNEW that anything had happened to Madeleine!

My money is on McCann 'lying'.

Read the TYPED timeline by ALL the T9 and it clearly states JT sees JW and GM by GATE to 5A.

TYPED timeline drawn up by GM and KM and all their 'friends'

http://www.justpamalam.co.uk/mpjf/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

[3 page attachment] Pages 887-890
Original written in English.
Sequence of Events: Thursday 3rd May 2007 - 2030 to 2200
AS recalled by:

Gerry McCann - 5A
Kate McCann - 5A
David Payne - 5H (First floor)
Fiona Payne - 5H (First floor)
Dianne Webster - 5H (First floor)
Jane Tanner - 5D
Russell O'Brien - 5D
Matthew Oldfield - 5B
Rachael Oldfield - 5B

2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.

NOT J WILKINS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET!

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Post by chillyheat on 17.10.13 1:21

were any of the T9s names missing as in UK CW, namely Payne ?

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