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Post by Lioned on Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:24 pm

According to SY this happened at 9.30 pm.In the crimewatch programme it is quite clear Oldfield offers to check the kids for kate,He then returns to the table and reassures kate all is fine.

Now read Matt Oldfields Rog' statement...


He says he did that 'listening' check at 5 to 9. or about 9.
He then goes on to wonder why gerry has to go and do another check a little after 9.

Reply "So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me, but, erm, I just thought, oh, you know, I've just checked you don't really need to check and sort of, you know, sort of go back, but, erm, he sort of got up and went back to check on, erm, on his kids. But, you know, you don't, you know, we're all sort of responsible for our own children and you wouldn't sort of say, you know, you don't need to do that, I just sort of felt, oh I've listened, you don't need to do that because I've kind of just done it, but I hadn't gone into the apartment, so, erm".

We know that the timelines are all over the place and that sometimes people can be genuinely confused or just forget.
SY say this happened at 9.30pm  Matt Oldfield says this happened at around 9.0pm

What is crucial here is that Oldfields statement can leave you in no doubt that gerry left the table immediately following Oldfields 'check'.Whilst you can be confused about times that is not something you would forget.

For some reason SY have omitted this from their reconstruction.

Lets say it again for the avoidance of doubt.

According to Oldfields statement gerry left the table to do a 'check' and SY place this at 9.30pm

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Nereid on Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:34 pm

I think Matthew Oldfield did 2 checks. One at about 21.00 hours and another one at 21.30 (left with Russell).

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Lioned on Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:43 pm

I believe Oldfield only did one 'listening' check,where he offered to check for kate but only listened at the door.

Its the 'listening' check that is important.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by suzyjohnson on Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:46 pm

Yes, at around 9 pm Matt Oldfield went to see if the Payne's were on their way round to dinner (they were usually late) and stopped outside the windows of the ground floor apartments to listen to see if the children were asleep. GM got up from the table to do his 9.04 pm check immediately MO returned to the Tapas.

At 9.30 pm Matt was once again on his way round to check his own children with ROB when he offered to look in on the McCann children on his way back. (This would've been Kate's turn to check). On this check MO went into 5A through the patio doors and up to the door of the children's bedroom where all seemed quiet, he could see the twins in their cots from where he was standing but couldn't confirm that MM was in her bed at the time.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by I'm not buying on Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:58 pm

I have just watched the Crimewatch reconstruction again. It shows Matt leaving to do his 9pm check. Then the Paynes and Diane Webster arrive. It then shows Gerry leaving to do his check before Matt returns. It shows Gerry's check and his meeting with Jez Wilkins after the check. It clearly shows Matt Oldfield returning to the table just as Jane Tanner gets up to make her 9.10-9.15 check while Gerry is still talking to Jez.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by suzyjohnson on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:02 pm

Yes, I noticed that, but in the extract from MO's statement above, that wasn't the case

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by I'm not buying on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:18 pm

Yes Suzy. I'm still trying to work out if the inconsistencies between the Crimewatch reconstruction and the statements are deliberate or careless. I wonder if Matt Oldfield was consulted about it. We weren't shown anything of Matt's check in 5a. I wonder why.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Curioser on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:20 pm

They left the table to look for Madeleine at around 9.20 so anything after that is probably bunk.

Why do you believe anything they say? nah

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by windchime on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:32 pm

My family watched CW with me on Monday (they had no choice for once!LOL) hubby could not believe what he was hearing from the McCanns in their pre recorded interview re: family occasions and also made a quick remark about how 'attractive' the two actors were compared with K & G along with why did they make K look so 'dreamy' and the 'best Mum in the world' in the re-con when they left these kids alone - in other words he wasn't taken in by it BUT the one thing he did almost shout about, along with my son, who both know nothing really about the 'truth' was when MO left the table.

His first reaction was 'why are they making such a big thing about him stopping Kate from doing the check?' and then both of them pointed and said 'ooh that's not right??!!' when MO and RO walked off together!  (I am sure you can get the gist of what they were insinuating!!)

It was then that I realised they had made a big thing of MO leaving the table at this time and how he went about it and have been thinking about this ever since and why they would do it?

The absence of any referral to the Paynes was also very telling and I am wondering if DP & FP have spoken out (finally) and dropped MO in it?  Perhaps he never the 2nd check and DP knows this?  Something about this check is not right.  Of course IMO

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by JackieL on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:47 pm

@I'm not buying wrote:I have just watched the Crimewatch reconstruction again. It shows Matt leaving to do his 9pm check. Then the Paynes and Diane Webster arrive. It then shows Gerry leaving to do his check before Matt returns. It shows Gerry's check and his meeting with Jez Wilkins after the check. It clearly shows Matt Oldfield returning to the table just as Jane Tanner gets up to make her 9.10-9.15 check while Gerry is still talking to Jez.
The overall effect of this tampering with Matt's checks on CW is to bring Gerry's visit to 5A FORWARD (and therefore his absence from the Tapas Bar forward as well of course) . From the witness statements + rogatories Matt left to do his first check AFTER the Paynes and DW arrived.  Gerry then does the famous check when he met Jez (and so is witnessed by an outsider  at the crime scene) AFTER Matt returns.  By pushing the timeline forward, even in apparently insignificant ways, it gets Gerry away from the crime scene and back to the Tapas Bar well before the time frame of the Smithman sighting.

I always think this little exchange is important from way back on 6th June 2007 to demonstrate how important that alibi of the Tapas bar is:


BERLIN TRIP wrote:Sabina Mueller: Sabina Mueller, German radio. How do you deal with the fact that more and more people seem to be pointing the finger at you, saying the way you behave is not the way people would normally behave if their child is abducted; and they seem to imply that you might have something to do with it?

Kate McCann:
 (inaudible aside to Gerry) To be honest, I don't actually think that is the case. I think that's a very small minority of people that are criticising us. Errm... you know, the facts are out there; we were dining very close to the children and we were checking on them very, very regularly. Errm... you know, we are very responsible parents and we love our children so much and I think it's only a very few people that are actually, errm... criticising us.

Gerry McCann:
 I have never heard before that, errr... anyone considers us suspects in this and, errm... the Portuguese police certainly don't. And, errm... without going into too much detail, errr... about the circumstances, we were with a large group of people, errm... and, you know, there is absolutely no way Kate and I are involved in this abduction.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Lioned on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:58 pm

This according to crimewatch.....

At about 9.0pm Matt gets up to go and check on the children.So Matt has left the table.Shortly after 9.0pm gerry says thats about half an hour i'm going to check (or words similiar),so when gerry gets up this time Matt is not there,he has already gone.
Gerry enters the apartment and notices that the door to the bedroom is open wider than before and assumes Matt left it that way.

That is Oldfields first 'check' which i believe he didn't enter the apartment he listened at the window (someone please correct me if that is wrong)

Look again at Matts 'rog' statement

Reply "So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me, but, erm, I just thought, oh, you know, I've just checked you don't really need to check and sort of, you know, sort of go back, but, erm, he sort of got up and went back to check on, erm, on his kids. But, you know, you don't, you know, we're all sort of responsible for our own children and you wouldn't sort of say, you know, you don't need to do that, I just sort of felt, oh I've listened, you don't need to do that because I've kind of just done it, but I hadn't gone into the apartment, so, erm".

Matt returns to the table and gerry is there and gets up to go check.Matt is clearly talking here about his second 'check'.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Dr What on Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:25 pm

Confusion is good.Keep everyone confused as long as possible.Make it as complicated as possible.

That strategy will hold, as long as no-one breaks rank.The trouble is,now that the Tanner sighting is dismissed, whoever has said they did this or that prior to the Tanner 'sighting', thinking that the Tanner 'sighting' would always be their Get out of Jail card, will come under greater scrutiny.Particularly if they are next in line in the cobbled together timeline to be the last person to see Maddie alive.Who knows what Oldfield really did on his 'visits'? Who knows what Payne got up to during his bath robe moment.They themselves have produced this timeline of events.It would appear, now that the Tanner 'sighting' is shot to pieces, that they are the last 2 non-McCanns to be in the frame.Not very comfortable now, I would think.
    
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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by I'm not buying on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:36 pm

@Lioned wrote:This according to crimewatch.....

At about 9.0pm Matt gets up to go and check on the children.So Matt has left the table.Shortly after 9.0pm gerry says thats about half an hour i'm going to check (or words similiar),so when gerry gets up this time Matt is not there,he has already gone.
Gerry enters the apartment and notices that the door to the bedroom is open wider than before and assumes Matt left it that way.

That is Oldfields first 'check' which i believe he didn't enter the apartment he listened at the window (someone please correct me if that is wrong)

Look again at Matts 'rog' statement

Reply "So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me, but, erm, I just thought, oh, you know, I've just checked you don't really need to check and sort of, you know, sort of go back, but, erm, he sort of got up and went back to check on, erm, on his kids. But, you know, you don't, you know, we're all sort of responsible for our own children and you wouldn't sort of say, you know, you don't need to do that, I just sort of felt, oh I've listened, you don't need to do that because I've kind of just done it, but I hadn't gone into the apartment, so, erm".

Matt returns to the table and gerry is there and gets up to go check.Matt is clearly talking here about his second 'check'.
I have doubts about what Matt says about his second 'check', but he does say he went in to 5a and saw the twins. I wouldn't call that 'when I listened outside your room' and 'but I hadn't gone into the apartment, so, erm'. I think the part of his rog that you quoted is him talking about his first, i.e. just before 9pm check, not his second, 9.30, instead of Kate check.
As far as we know, Gerry did not get up after Matt returned from his second check. Matt told Jane that her daughter was sick, that Russ had stayed. Jane finished her main course and went to 'relieve' Russ. Allegedly.

Unless the whole lot of them are talking total nonsense in all their statements, rogatory interviews and the Crimewatch thing was fabricated or the best that anyone could do with all the inconsistencies floating around.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by russiandoll on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:47 pm

re the checks, this is on Joana Morais site : a Portuguese tabloid newspaper article from 2008, so given media behaviour maybe unreliable . I think it makes interesting reading, though,  given the 3 of the group who did not feature in CW. 

PJ Brought Back to Portugal 3 of the McCanns Friends in Secrecy



WITNESSES CAME TO THE ALGARVE TO REINFORCE TESTIMONY THAT CONTRADICTS THE MCCANNS

Friends are the PJ trumps

In a secret visit to Portugal, three persons who had dinner at the Tapas Bar shattered the McCanns and Jane Tanner versions

Fiona Payne, her mother Dianne Webster, and the husband David Payne. Are the main trumps of the Public Ministry that will lead the parents of Madeleine McCann, the missing girl, on the 3rd of May of 2007, from an apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve, to be accused of the crimes of exposition and abandonment since they left the girl alone in that critical night. It is a crime that is punishable up to ten years of prison and allows the respective preventive arrests, like 24horas announced last week.

These three witnesses returned to Portugal, on the 11th of July of 2007, in a travel paid by the Portuguese State, and where accommodated in a hotel unity of Portimão. They were still questioned by Gonçalo Amaral’s team, the superior coordinator who was removed from the case, and they contradicted the McCann’s version regarding to what went on in the night of the disappearance.

Remember that Kate, Gerry and the other two couples with whom they had dinner, assured that they were taking turns in the vigilance to the children. A fact that was contradicted to the authorities in the above-mentioned secret travel by Fiona Payne and that had already been put in question in two previous statements, given on the days that followed to Maddie's disappearance, by her mother and her husband.

Jane Tanner Contradicted


“ Fiona Payne gave three statements to the authorities, as well as Matthew Oldfield and his companion, Rachel. Dianne Webster statement [Fiona's mother] was very solid and there was not need of questioning her again”, revealed to 24horas a judicial person in charge connected with the process. In accordance to the same source, “other persons who had dinner with the McCanns - Jane Tanner, her companion, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and his wife, Rachel – gave contradictory statements”. And the judicial person in charge exemplifies: "”Jane Tanner always said that she went out from the restaurant to see her oldest daughter. Fiona, David and Dianne guaranteed to the PJ that she never left the restaurant before the alarm was given by Kate. This information was corroborated by several workers of the Tapas Bar restaurant”. These witnesses also stated that Gerry McCann did not even go to check on the children, when he went away of the restaurant, and that he only stayed at the apartment of Praia da Luz entrance.

The only person who stayed in Tapas Bar

Dianne Webster, of 63 years old, mother of Fiona Payne (36 years), was one of three persons who were available to return to Portugal and to help the authorities in the reconstitution of the facts taken place to the 3rd of May of 2007.
She was the only one that was quiet and calm when Kate McCann entered in the Tapas Bar shouting “they’ve taken her!”. The authorities were suspicious of her attitude and she told them that she did not believe in the version of the McCanns. She also pointed out to the PJ that each couple was responsible for their own children and that no one entered in the apartment of the friends[in each other’s apartments].

Facts
SECRET. The McCann organized a "secret" dinner with all the friends with whom they had dinner with at the Tapas, in the Praia da Luz, Algarve, before the rogatory letters sent for England were carried out.

ACCUSATION. The accusation to the McCanns is almost concluded and it should be known before of the 14 of July, the end date for the extended term to incriminate or not the British couple. The judicial authorities are still considering if they will not constitute more arguidos, since the McCann were not the only ones leaving their children alone.


Source: 24Horas.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by MRNOODLES on Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:05 pm

Maybe the CW reconstruction of the checking looked arbitrary because maybe SY believes it was.  The original statements, the scribble on the sticker book aren't worth a flying fig.  And it has to be pieced together from independent statements.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Lance De Boils on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:31 pm

When I watched CW, it seemed to me that they were making MO's behaviour very suspicious. He goes. A few mins later, GM notices the door open wider than it had been.
Then when Kate's about to go, MO jumps up and says he'll go. Then, again, when KM goes, she also notices the bedroom door open wider.

It appeared to me, from the way it was filmed, that they were trying to make MO look guilty.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by I'm not buying on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:34 pm

Yes. There was a relatively long, almost lingering, shot at the table, of the actor playing Matt. My husband, who knows nothing of the case, said that his behaviour was suspicious.

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Post by sallypelt on Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:35 pm

I am reading MATTHEW OLDFIELD ROGATORY 09 APRIL 2008

4078 'Do you remember or can you recall what the street lighting was like around there''

Reply 'There's a street light, and this is all, erm, I couldn't sort of guarantee this, but my impression is that there was, the street lights were sort of very orangey, erm, sort of fairly orangey light, I think there was one at the top corner and maybe one about halfway up on the right as you came up from the Tapas Restaurant and possibly one on that, on that back bit behind the car park, someway further along'.



4078 'I am just trying to illustrate, you said you were fairly confident that the shutter was shut'.

Reply 'Yeah'.



00.18.22 4078 'But it was turning dark. I am just trying to sort of illustrate whether there was any light on that area, if you would have been able to see if it was''

Reply 'Well it wasn't murky, I mean, you were close to the shutters, they're sort of white and they're lined, I think it'd be fairly obvious if there was a dark gap along the bottom, if they'd been raised particularly'.



4078 'Okay. So take me through from there then, what happened after that''

Reply 'So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me, but, erm, I just thought, oh, you know, I've just checked you don't really need to check and sort of, you know, sort of go back, but, erm, he sort of got up and went back to check on, erm, on his kids. But, you know, you don't, you know, we're all sort of responsible for our own children and you wouldn't sort of say, you know, you don't need to do that, I just sort of felt, oh I've listened, you don't need to do that because I've kind of just done it, but I hadn't gone into the apartment, so, erm'.



4078 'Did you actually say that or you just thought that to yourself''

Reply 'Yeah, I thought that, you know, I'd said that everything was sort of quiet, I listened outside the shutters, but, you know, they went back up, erm, and said he was going to check. Erm, I know that Jane went, erm, went up, and I think that's because Evie had been, I think Evie had not been well that morning and I think that's, I can't remember whether she had any breakfast, but I don't think she'd been particularly well that morning, or she was sort of a bit off colour not sort of being particularly unwell, but maybe, I think the kids hadn't settle particularly well and that's why they, erm, Russell and Jane had come separately in the evening, and so she went back, erm, to check on, presumably to check on, to check on her kids and then came back and we, erm, had starters by then'.



4078 'Was that the first time that you had taken it upon yourself to check on somebody else's child''

Reply 'Yeah, I'd not done it before, it was only because, you know, I was there and I was, and it may not have happened if I'd actually gone in and checked on Grace through the room, you know, I might not have just been next to their shutter in terms of to actually have a listen, you know, I was just there, it was only like four steps further. But, no, I didn't, even though we now knew each other for the week and I felt a bit more comfortable about their kids knowing me, as I said before, erm, I wouldn't normally sort of impose that sort of check on somebody else unless they'd, erm, unless they'd suggested it. It'd be almost like a step, not a step too far, but, erm, it's not really our place to, you know, to do that'.



00.21.10 4078 'Okay. So Gerry has gone off almost straight away after you got back''

Reply 'Yeah'.

4078 'And then Jane followed him''

Reply 'yeah'



So, according to MO, Jane and Gerry left at the same time to do their checks. So, Jane couldn't have seen bundleman when she was going to do her check, and she couldn't have seen him when she was returning from her check, because bundleman would have been behind her.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Lioned on Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:18 pm

00.21.10 4078 'Okay. So Gerry has gone off almost straight away after you got back''

Reply 'Yeah'.

4078 'And then Jane followed him''

Reply 'yeah'




Once again confirming this to be Oldfields second check assuming you believe the SY timeline meaning gerry leaves the table around 9.30 pm.

We have seen other statements suggesting all this happened earlier,the chef says they were all gone by 9.40pm


Scotland Yard seem to have moved the goal posts and made things look very bad for the mccanns and Tapas lot.


Not so for ordinary viewers sadly who have seen the sanitised version of events now.


All roads i suspect will now lead to Germany and Hewletts Gypsy friend.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Guest on Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:35 pm

@JackieL wrote:
@I'm not buying wrote:I have just watched the Crimewatch reconstruction again. It shows Matt leaving to do his 9pm check. Then the Paynes and Diane Webster arrive. It then shows Gerry leaving to do his check before Matt returns. It shows Gerry's check and his meeting with Jez Wilkins after the check. It clearly shows Matt Oldfield returning to the table just as Jane Tanner gets up to make her 9.10-9.15 check while Gerry is still talking to Jez.
The overall effect of this tampering with Matt's checks on CW is to bring Gerry's visit to 5A FORWARD (and therefore his absence from the Tapas Bar forward as well of course) . From the witness statements + rogatories Matt left to do his first check AFTER the Paynes and DW arrived.  Gerry then does the famous check when he met Jez (and so is witnessed by an outsider  at the crime scene) AFTER Matt returns.  By pushing the timeline forward, even in apparently insignificant ways, it gets Gerry away from the crime scene and back to the Tapas Bar well before the time frame of the Smithman sighting.

I always think this little exchange is important from way back on 6th June 2007 to demonstrate how important that alibi of the Tapas bar is:


BERLIN TRIP wrote:Sabina Mueller: Sabina Mueller, German radio. How do you deal with the fact that more and more people seem to be pointing the finger at you, saying the way you behave is not the way people would normally behave if their child is abducted; and they seem to imply that you might have something to do with it?

Kate McCann:
 (inaudible aside to Gerry) To be honest, I don't actually think that is the case. I think that's a very small minority of people that are criticising us. Errm... you know, the facts are out there; we were dining very close to the children and we were checking on them very, very regularly. Errm... you know, we are very responsible parents and we love our children so much and I think it's only a very few people that are actually, errm... criticising us.

Gerry McCann:
 I have never heard before that, errr... anyone considers us suspects in this and, errm... the Portuguese police certainly don't. And, errm... without going into too much detail, errr... about the circumstances, we were with a large group of people, errm... and, you know, there is absolutely no way Kate and I are involved in this abduction.
The overall impression was, that two adult males had the opportunity -provided by her parents- to look in, in an abandoned apartment-
 upon a defenseless 3 year old child and her baby twin brother and sister. In the dark.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Rufus T on Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:57 pm

@Lioned wrote:00.21.10 4078 'Okay. So Gerry has gone off almost straight away after you got back''

Reply 'Yeah'.

4078 'And then Jane followed him''

Reply 'yeah'




Once again confirming this to be Oldfields second check assuming you believe the SY timeline meaning gerry leaves the table around 9.30 pm.

I think you are confused, MO is talking about his 1st check here, where he says he listened outside - his 2nd check is the one that takes place approx. 21:30. HTH

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Lioned on Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:22 pm

MO went off to do his first check 9.0pm gerry then followed around 9.05. ie MO goes first

MO returned from his second check,gerry was at the table but got up straight away.


"After you got back". Reply "yeh". ie MO comes back gerry goes.

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by Mirage on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:11 pm

I don't think you can give any credence to any of these checks, or any versions of these checks. These statements are given by supposedly highly educated professionals but you would think they were semi-literate, reading them. The shambling statements are having to be coaxed out of them bit by painful bit, that's obvious. You can sense their fear of saying the wrong thing and departing from an agreed script - the agreed script having been altered to suit on regular basis until their brains were completely addled and they were terrified of incriminating themselves.

 There is no way this lot were jumping up and down like this on a half hourly rota. They just are not the types, especially after a few glasses of wine and ??? no watches/phones. Not that I believe that twaddle either. They should all be frog-marched to a lie-detector unit pronto. It is scandalous to be wasting public money listening to primary school stories from grown people, especially where it involves a child's life. And to think this lot have stood on the steps of the Royal Courts of Justice (minus RO, notably - must have grown a conscience in a laboratory) after claiming damages to their reputation. They're not so dopey when it comes to raking in the spondulicks, are they?

I thought JackieL made a fantastic point this evening on another thread when she discovered the plea by the McCs from 2008. They asked that everyone light a candle and say a prayer for Madeleine on the anniversary 3/05/08 at 9.15pm, the time that she was taken from her bed. These are the sorts of hard questions they should have been asked a long time ago instead of allowing them to lead everyone up the garden path into this Kafkaesque nightmare. Where's DCI Gene Hunt when you need him? Duh!
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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by suzyjohnson on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:50 pm

I just thought that, because there is so much evidence available, Crimewatch just showed what the police considered to be the most relevant information.

However, although I've never really thought that Matt Oldfield was very involved, if at all, in the disappearance of MM, if you look at it from the new perspective of Scotland Yard, if you discount the Tanner sighting, then GM was not the last person known to have seen Madeleine (at 9.10 pm), Oldfield was (at 9.30 pm)

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Re: Matt Oldfields 'check'

Post by russiandoll on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:52 pm

@Lioned wrote:00.21.10 4078 'Okay. So Gerry has gone off almost straight away after you got back''

Reply 'Yeah'.

4078 'And then Jane followed him''

Reply 'yeah'




Once again confirming this to be Oldfields second check assuming you believe the SY timeline meaning gerry leaves the table around 9.30 pm.

We have seen other statements suggesting all this happened earlier,the chef says they were all gone by 9.40pm


Scotland Yard seem to have moved the goal posts and made things look very bad for the mccanns and Tapas lot.


Not so for ordinary viewers sadly who have seen the sanitised version of events now.


All roads i suspect will now lead to Germany and Hewletts Gypsy friend.
  Lord I am confused. Gerry left immediately after Matt came back from his 9.00 check didn't he?  It was Matt who went to do his 2nd check 9.30 and did Kates 9.30 check for her . Kate then did the 10pm check.

 I read Gerry left the table for a check at 9.05 and no other checks done by him.  CW mentioned 2 McCann checks... 9.05 and 10pm.

 need a lie down !!
  
 eta mirage, totally agree no credence , but discussing them reinforces how lousy the tale was !

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