That phrase "They have taken her" has never sat well with me. In extreme situations we tend to blurt out something accurate; the roar takes over. Why say it?
Is it possible to prise the truth out of habitual liars? Only someone such as Hobs may be able to achieve this feat because I suspect that the group have long agreed a fallback position to be adopted if push comes to shove as the true events of that night and the preceding days, and possibly months, will send them all down.
We don't know because we weren't there and, with the exception of abduction by aliens who teleported her into their hovering spacecraft, literally anything could have happened to Madeleine McCann.@Searcher wrote:But then we don't know, ultimaThule, if it was a check. If events had taken place the day before, say, could it have been an arrangement? That "they" fulfilled. I come back to the dumped plastic bag, containing the jeans, fleece and shower curtain, with the DNA and bodily fluids which allegedly matched Madeleine's. If that allegation is true, it raises a whole other side to this story. I have not kept the link to this - so many links! - but I would like to see it debated fully here.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if the group's fall back position is that they were all abducted by aliens, returned to Earth sans Madeleine, and made up a tale of her being taken by a stranger/a couple/gypsies/paedophiles living in the lawless hills etc because they thought no-one would believe them and they'd lose their jobs/houses etc because the NHS won't employ medics whose sanity is questionable. As if.
Well done for finding the link - there's a lot to digest and I'll try to find time to study it fully later today and come back to this thread.
I wonder why David Payne switched to research after years of hospital doctoring
If I'd known a couple of months back what loo paper is du jour in their en suites, I'd have bought shares in the companies who supply it.
It may take an inordinate length of time but the law of karma dictates to the most deserving and the gods look set to drop more than a few buckets of manure onto the saintly one, her psychopathic spouse, and her pals.
At some time afterwards a pink and white blanket was found dumped (that word again!) and muddy in a wasteland area of PdL. If anyone can find the link it would be very welcome. Something happened to the pink blanket, enough to give considerable confusion in KM's mind, if the reporting is correct.
Much has been made on the complexity of this case, but comparing the "UK media" timeline with witness statements makes it much simpler because we can identify any possible inaccuracies in the former, and therefore the windows of opportunity
So, regarding the comments of PeterM, mahlersghost and ultimaThule on the timeline:
AR made a big point of stating the timeline that NSY are now working to and nobody involved can say they aren't aware of it
And, as uT said on this thread, he appears to have received tacit confirmation from the group of three questionable aspects of it
1) That M was discovered missing at 22.00 (because independent witnesses state they knew as early as 21.20)
2) That the table emptied at 22.00 upon the alarm being raised (because independent witnesses say it was empty by 21.40)
3) That Bundleman was an innocent father collecting his child from the night creche (because he was walking in the wrong direction)
The group have had every chance to point out AR's "errors" in establishing the above as a correct version of events
Experienced detectives don't make mistakes as obvious as this, so they must have been deliberate mistakes
These are huge discrepancies which create significant black holes during the 21.15-22.00 period that he said he was focussing on - 40 minutes between 21.20 and 22.00 re the discovery of M's disappearance, 20 mins between 21.40 and 22.00 re the whereabouts of the T7, and who knows re Bundleman since (assuming he existed in the first place) he hasn't been eliminated at all
Would anyone care to attempt a more accurate timeline, incorporating M being known missing at 21.20 and the Tapas table empty (ie K coming back) at 21.40?
If this is the case there was around 20 mins during which M was missing but the party was still going
Would be helpful to work out who was at the table during that period, and who wasn't
The timings of the checks would have to be revised for a start
In the BBC Crimewatch 'mini-drama', I do not call it a reconstruction, the fiction that the much older looking tennis balls pic of M was posted up everywhere is promoted, and I don't think that is true. There is a carefully managed shot of a woman posting up the tennis photo. The video makes it clear that the family were all together playing tennis and that the tennis photo was the last photo taken of her. Huh???? In the book the much discussed pool photo is said to be the last one taken of her. Also, If you read Kate's account, she clearly says that it was NOT a 'family' tennis session on the late afternoon in question, it was a men's tennis session, and she and the children stayed in 5A... where they were conveniently visited by Mr Payne.
Why is Redwood not interested in all the discrepancies between the book and the BBC TV Crimewatch video? Hundreds of thousands of people bought the book and read it, and will find the mis-matches very odd, as they will those various comments made in TV in interviews which 'do not compute'.
The later Sky programme was not quite so bad. Redwood for once sounded at one point as if he were speaking from the heart, rather than as Mr Woodentop. He said: 'It is never too late. This case has gone on quite long enough.' or something near to it as dammit. Hear hear to that!
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