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Post by Newintown on 14.10.13 18:15

@Dr What wrote:I suppose even if one or both of the McCanns have to face the consequences, perhaps they have calculated that the £3 million in the 'bank' will not only pay for anything that their close and wider family need, but the majority of it will still be there as and when they will be in a position to enjoy it once they have served any sentence.Lose their jobs, but more than enough to start a new life somewhere.
I don't think the McCanns will be starting a new life anytime soon according to the BBC news.  The news reporter has just said at 6 p.m. that SY still need to question 41 people and have contacted 30 countries for their help.

Unless it's a worldwide child porn ring or child trafficking ring they're trying to infiltrate I think the McCanns still have about 5 years to keep their Fund topped up by generous pensioners and school children giving them their pocket money.

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Post by mouse on 14.10.13 18:17

@endgame wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
@endgame wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:endgame .

 Can you please give a reason for why he would go these lengths to cover for the Mcs?
Because either that's his brief - he was specifically asked to investigate an abduction in a review that can be traced right back to the McCanns themselves - or he's a complete idiot or he genuinely believes this to be the case for some reason known only to himself. The last two are not mutually exclusive. Personally I hover somewhere between reasons 1 and 2 but I try to keep an open mind as anything is possible.
 OK...why would he be given that brief ? Why would he believe in a scenario which is not congruent with the evidence?
But Russiandoll you know that was the brief - to review the case as though the abduction had taken place in England. This is not a normal Met Police investigation. They have not originated this investigation nor are they even funding it. Its origins were Mccanns hand in glove with Rebekah Brooks. Rebekah Brooks lobbies her friend the Prime Minister. Sun newspaper threatens Theresa May. Theresa May asks Met to conduct review which she will fund. They are accountable to and funded by politicians.This is unprecedented and puts all kinds of strain on the investigation itself. It is not the case that someone has reported a crime to the Met and they are following their normal procedures to solve the crime wherever it may lead them. British police had six years to decide they themselves wished to investigate and said not a word.

This is just a view and like many many views on the forum it is largely surmise but its not beyond belief because there are numerous examples  all over the place of British police and politicians covering up evidence, creating evidence, lying and selectively choosing facts to support their case. I hope I'm wrong and Andy Redwood turns to be a good old fashioned genuine copper just doing his job and interested only in discovering the truth but I've yet to be convinced that is the case.
I with you on this Endgame - remember our SY are making out they are starting from the beginning. Well that really would put the Mccanns as No 1 suspects -as in every case where a child in a family goes missing. Maybe they are doing this, but they sure are going about it a very strange way. Perhaps this same SY - who are supposedly so much better than the PJ - might like to strip back to the basics of the Jill Dando Murder. The guy they put away is out now, having served time for a crime he didn't commit and has been turned down for any compo, even on appeal. How is that justice? Perhaps they might like to concentrate on that crime - as there's still nobody caught for that, before they start trying to tell other police forces around the world how to do their job.

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Post by Mélusine on 14.10.13 18:19

I wish the truth was revealed tonight, but I'm sceptical.

It definitely seems something is happening, but I'm not convinced it's justice being done...

Nous verrons.

And many thanks for the info about times of tonight's BBC programme.

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Post by margaret on 14.10.13 18:20

@Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...
Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.

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Post by margaret on 14.10.13 18:31

@Mélusine wrote:I wish the truth was revealed tonight, but I'm sceptical.

It definitely seems something is happening, but I'm not convinced it's justice being done...

Nous verrons.

And many thanks for the info about times of tonight's BBC programme.
Could those of you abroad catch it on BBC Iplayer?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/

don't you have to wait until the show has finished though?

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Post by Roly Poly on 14.10.13 18:34

@margaret wrote:
@Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...
Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.
I truly hope you are correct on both counts

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Post by russiandoll on 14.10.13 18:40

quote mouse  "Sorry - Its only my opinion. I know they're cops. And I'm not the only one that is pessimistic. Its just that we've been here so many times. Believe me I want to believe there is progress, but it's just my opinion, I'm open to changing it, but surely there's not need to shout

  shouting? you have lost me.   oh,..is it because my caps lock was on? Is that considered shouting online.. not deliberate , sorry !

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Post by russiandoll on 14.10.13 18:44

@Roly Poly wrote:
@margaret wrote:
@Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...
Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.
I truly hope you are correct on both counts
 there was tennis 3rd May at 6pm, but so far everything said by the group is that Gerry was present, not Kate, nor the children.
 Kate herself says she was in 5a with all 3.
 So maybe this was another day, it clearly shows clothes M was said to have worn a day or 2 before alleged abduction day   [ it is disputed who took tennis court photo and when...1st or 2nd.]
 No mention by anyone as far as I know that there was any tennis with M present on Thursday
 And described now as the last photo.

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Post by justjoined on 14.10.13 18:50

@margaret wrote:
@Mélusine wrote:I wish the truth was revealed tonight, but I'm sceptical.

It definitely seems something is happening, but I'm not convinced it's justice being done...

Nous verrons.

And many thanks for the info about times of tonight's BBC programme.
Could those of you abroad catch it on BBC Iplayer?  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/

don't you have to wait until the show has finished though?
You will not be able to watch BBC Watch Live or I Player if you are outside the UK unless you have downloaded a VPN (a code that makes your computer think it is in the UK). However free streaming of main UK channels 1-5 is available on Filmon.com wherever you are in the world. Happy viewing. pray2

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Post by Hicks on 14.10.13 18:52

@susible wrote:
@Hicks wrote:The McCann's have had protection from the very beginning, there can be no doubt about that. Mr Amaral came across this 'interference' all the way through his investigation.
What I am saying is, I don't believe that a mere Detective Chief Inspector with the MET will be able to bring down those responsible. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I don't hold out any hope for the truth to ever be told. There will be continued silence regarding the evidence from the dogs. censored 

Of course....I shall be very happy if I am proved wrong.
Guess we will just have to wait and see.
Who exactly is being protected?  I'm sorry but I've never agreed with all of this cover up/protection baloney, if it was that much of a cover up, we would never have heard of the McCanns at all.

And lets face it, after 6 years not one person has come up with anything credible in terms of this all powerful person (who doesn't seemingly have much power at all) and without it descending into a farce with a cast of thousands, there really is no reason for anyone to cover up the death of a child, except the parents themselves, who in my opinion, reacted to a situation in a panic to protect themselves and they had a couple of lucky breaks, i.e. the media took it on with great gusto and gormless Gordon Brown initially thought it would be a good thing to hitch his wagon to in an effort to show his "caring side"  He ditched them pretty damn quickly though, but by that time the Mc's had amassed considerable wealth with which to hire expensive libel lawyers to shut anyone up who dared to question their story.

The McCanns should just have shut up when they were released from their arguido status, but they couldn't let it go, nothing less than total exoneration was going to do it for them, but that was never going to happen as there was just too much evidence against them.

And now we have Redwood saying that this has gone on for far too long, and they want a conclusion, so it seems quite the opposite, and who can forget how they insulted David Cameron, so I'm quite sure that this is the ideal opportunity to shut the McCanns up for once and for all imo
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4087-british-foreign-office-timeline-madeleine-mccann-case.

Why did the UK police working in Portugal at the time, get 'invited' to sign documents preventing them from ever speaking about the case?
How many parents of missing children get a government spin doctor assigned to them to 'monitor' everything? I don't believe Gordon Brown had any influence on matters but perhaps a network around him did. I don't believe either that there was an 'all powerful person' in PDL at the time.
I do believe that, for what ever reason, the McCann's could implicate people who would rather remain out of the picture. I believe these people may be the" they've taken her" and the" F******g b*****ds have taken her" KM was referring too.

This is just my opinion.

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Post by Searcher on 14.10.13 18:55

Just catching up this evening;  well, it looks clear from the clips that Crimewatch have
chosen to show (is that 'fabricate' - 'phantasise'?) a family tennis match with KM/GM playing eachother, and a lively Madeleine as ball-girl.

I'm not sure a 3 year old, going on 4 years, would be able to co-ordinate that well, but what do I know.  What we do know from the witness statements and book is that KM did not play tennis on the evening of 3 May.  So maybe Crimewatch have another timeframe in mind; it will be interesting to see.  dontgetit

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Post by mouse on 14.10.13 18:57

Thank you for the apology Russian Doll

Just seen Fox New latest on Mccanns - very different to last time when Wendy was on. This time they were completely on-message. No Wendy Murphy. This time we had Ian Woods - Sky Reporter, very pro Mccann. Interviewed them in the past for Sky I believe. In the interview he said that this was a new investigation, this time by the British police, not the portuguese police. When Alison, again presenting, asked if the portuguese were involved, he then added that they had started to co-operate. It was quite an anti PJ interview from a constant supporter (imo) of Team Mccann. He also said that the family had been advised not to talk to the press of late, and that this was their first time to do a reconstruction, something they had always wanted to do but hadn't been able to before, and hoped that this time people would listen to them and information would come forward ( or words to the extent). Mr Woods has always been very gushy towards the parents....In remarkable contrast to what Wendy said the other day.

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Post by Mélusine on 14.10.13 18:57

@justjoined wrote:
@margaret wrote:
@Mélusine wrote:I wish the truth was revealed tonight, but I'm sceptical.

It definitely seems something is happening, but I'm not convinced it's justice being done...

Nous verrons.

And many thanks for the info about times of tonight's BBC programme.
Could those of you abroad catch it on BBC Iplayer?  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/

don't you have to wait until the show has finished though?
You will not be able to watch BBC Watch Live or I Player if you are outside the UK unless you have downloaded a VPN (a code that makes your computer think it is in the UK). However free streaming of main UK channels 1-5 is available on Filmon.com wherever you are in the world. Happy viewing. pray2




Thank you. I followed the link to HiDeHo FB page that somebody (forgot who, sorry) posted and there I downloaded some Expat Shield, so I hope I will be able to watch the BBC tonight.

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Post by Cristobell on 14.10.13 19:03

@margaret wrote:
@Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...
Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.
Sounds like a Disney version of the real events.  The kids went to the creche every day, there were no family games of tennis. When the photograph of Maddie with the tennis ball was taken, she was at the tennis court with the Kids Club.

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Post by Newintown on 14.10.13 19:03

@russiandoll wrote:
@Roly Poly wrote:
@margaret wrote:
@Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...
Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.
I truly hope you are correct on both counts
 there was tennis 3rd May at 6pm, but so far everything said by the group is that Gerry was present, not Kate, nor the children.
 Kate herself says she was in 5a with all 3.
 So maybe this was another day, it clearly shows clothes M was said to have worn a day [or 2, it is disputed who took tennis court photo and when]
 And described now as the last photo.
It was an all-male tennis match according to the witness statements.  Was it Payne (anyway one of the Tapas males) who said in his statement that he went to the tennis court at 7 p.m. to encourage GM to play on, but GM said he had to get back to the apartment to help with the children.  Why would he try to encourage GM to play on at 7 p.m. unless it was to create an alibi.

However, Mrs Fenn's daughter (can't remember her name right now) said in her witness statement that when she was leaving Mrs Fenn's apartment at 6.30 p.m. it was dusk so if GM and the other Tapas males carried on playing it would have been in very dull light at 7 p.m. onwards.

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Post by ultimaThule on 14.10.13 19:04

@Dr What wrote:I suppose even if one or both of the McCanns have to face the consequences, perhaps they have calculated that the £3 million in the 'bank' will not only pay for anything that their close and wider family need, but the majority of it will still be there as and when they will be in a position to enjoy it once they have served any sentence.Lose their jobs, but more than enough to start a new life somewhere.
If one, t'other, or both, of the McCs were found to have been responsible for, or involved in, the disappearance of their eldest daughter, or a more serious charge in respect of her suspected or confirmed demise, there will be a queue of creditors such as Mr D, Mr B, Dr A and his co-defendants, and others, waiting in line for repayment/damages/compensation and it's probable the court would move to seize those assets which have been acquired as the proceeds of crime.  

Fwiw, should the above come to pass, GM will forfeit his job, KM has no job to forfeit, and the GMC will remove them from the registers but may reinstate one or both at some future date.

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Post by mouse on 14.10.13 19:04

@Hicks wrote:
@susible wrote:
@Hicks wrote:The McCann's have had protection from the very beginning, there can be no doubt about that. Mr Amaral came across this 'interference' all the way through his investigation.
What I am saying is, I don't believe that a mere Detective Chief Inspector with the MET will be able to bring down those responsible. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I don't hold out any hope for the truth to ever be told. There will be continued silence regarding the evidence from the dogs. censored 

Of course....I shall be very happy if I am proved wrong.
Guess we will just have to wait and see.
Who exactly is being protected?  I'm sorry but I've never agreed with all of this cover up/protection baloney, if it was that much of a cover up, we would never have heard of the McCanns at all.

And lets face it, after 6 years not one person has come up with anything credible in terms of this all powerful person (who doesn't seemingly have much power at all) and without it descending into a farce with a cast of thousands, there really is no reason for anyone to cover up the death of a child, except the parents themselves, who in my opinion, reacted to a situation in a panic to protect themselves and they had a couple of lucky breaks, i.e. the media took it on with great gusto and gormless Gordon Brown initially thought it would be a good thing to hitch his wagon to in an effort to show his "caring side"  He ditched them pretty damn quickly though, but by that time the Mc's had amassed considerable wealth with which to hire expensive libel lawyers to shut anyone up who dared to question their story.

The McCanns should just have shut up when they were released from their arguido status, but they couldn't let it go, nothing less than total exoneration was going to do it for them, but that was never going to happen as there was just too much evidence against them.

And now we have Redwood saying that this has gone on for far too long, and they want a conclusion, so it seems quite the opposite, and who can forget how they insulted David Cameron, so I'm quite sure that this is the ideal opportunity to shut the McCanns up for once and for all imo
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4087-british-foreign-office-timeline-madeleine-mccann-case.

Why did the UK police working in Portugal at the time, get 'invited' to sign documents preventing them from ever speaking about the case?
How many parents of missing children get a government spin doctor assigned to them to 'monitor' everything? I don't believe Gordon Brown had any influence on matters but perhaps a network around him did. I don't believe either that there was an 'all powerful person' in PDL at the time.
I do believe that, for what ever reason, the McCann's could implicate people who would rather remain out of the picture. I believe these people may be the" they've taken her" and the" F******g b*****ds have taken her" KM was referring too.

This is just my opinion.
Hicks - I with you. I've always been of this opinion. I've always felt, so sadly, it wasn't ever really about a poor little girl who went missing. It's about someone in that group, at a very difficult time needing help to get out of a spot and calling in a favour from a certain other group.....or....they'd squeal big time.

That's just my opinion.

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Post by I'm not buying on 14.10.13 19:06

I was listening to the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio 4. It said that SY had brought together information from 10 separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. 

There was the PJ investigation, Leicester police, 3 firms of Private detectives and SY itself... Can anyone add to that list?

Does this mean that they have taken into account information supplied by 'armchair detectives' and 'internet nutters'?

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Post by MoonGoddess on 14.10.13 19:08

@I'm not buying wrote:I was listening to the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio 4. It said that SY had brought together information from 10 separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. 

There was the PJ investigation, Leicester police, 3 firms of Private detectives and SY itself... Can anyone add to that list?

Does this mean that they have taken into account information supplied by 'armchair detectives' and 'internet nutters'?
Yewtree?

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Post by ultimaThule on 14.10.13 19:13

@Newintown wrote:It was an all-male tennis match according to the witness statements.  Was it Payne (anyway one of the Tapas males) who said in his statement that he went to the tennis court at 7 p.m. to encourage GM to play on, but GM said he had to get back to the apartment to help with the children.  Why would he try to encourage GM to play on at 7 p.m. unless it was to create an alibi.

However, Mrs Fenn's daughter (can't remember her name right now) said in her witness statement that when she was leaving Mrs Fenn's apartment at 6.30 p.m. it was dusk so if GM and the other Tapas males carried on playing it would have been in very dull light at 7 p.m. onwards.
On 3 May 2007 the sun rose in Portugal at 06.29 and set and 20.34.  In any event, it's probable that the Ocean Club tennis courts are floodlit because it can be far too hot to play during daylight hours in the summer months.

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Post by Eyei on 14.10.13 19:14

Sorry if someone's already posted about this but I've just got round to reading a hard copy of todays Express.

 I nearly choked on my tea when I saw the advert that they'd put right next to the article about the new E fits on pages 4 and 5.

It was an ad for HSBC and the heading in big bold letters said 'Fixe'.

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Post by MissDaisy on 14.10.13 19:15

@MoonGoddess wrote:
@I'm not buying wrote:I was listening to the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio 4. It said that SY had brought together information from 10 separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. 

There was the PJ investigation, Leicester police, 3 firms of Private detectives and SY itself... Can anyone add to that list?

Does this mean that they have taken into account information supplied by 'armchair detectives' and 'internet nutters'?
Yewtree?
Elvedon?

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Post by Newintown on 14.10.13 19:16

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@Newintown wrote:It was an all-male tennis match according to the witness statements.  Was it Payne (anyway one of the Tapas males) who said in his statement that he went to the tennis court at 7 p.m. to encourage GM to play on, but GM said he had to get back to the apartment to help with the children.  Why would he try to encourage GM to play on at 7 p.m. unless it was to create an alibi.

However, Mrs Fenn's daughter (can't remember her name right now) said in her witness statement that when she was leaving Mrs Fenn's apartment at 6.30 p.m. it was dusk so if GM and the other Tapas males carried on playing it would have been in very dull light at 7 p.m. onwards.
On 3 May 2007 the sun rose in Portugal at 06.29 and set and 20.34.  In any event, it's probable that the Ocean Club tennis courts are floodlit because it can be far too hot to play during daylight hours in the summer months.
Oh yes, I forgot about floodlights, silly me!   big grin

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Post by Woofer on 14.10.13 19:26

@MissDaisy wrote:
@MoonGoddess wrote:
@I'm not buying wrote:I was listening to the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio 4. It said that SY had brought together information from 10 separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. 

There was the PJ investigation, Leicester police, 3 firms of Private detectives and SY itself... Can anyone add to that list?

Does this mean that they have taken into account information supplied by 'armchair detectives' and 'internet nutters'?
Yewtree?
Elvedon?
I heard that and noticed they said 10 separate investigations.
1. PJ
2. Leicester Police
3. Dave Edgar
4. Metodo 3
5. Kevin Halligen
6. Scotland Yard (if they are counting themselves)?
7. Yewtree - Jimmy Savile and others ?
8. Elvedon - Inappropriate payments to police by News International ?
9. Operation Ore - targetting people downloading images of child abuse, maybe ?

Could another one be the separate Portuguese investigation by the Porto police ?

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Post by marxman on 14.10.13 19:28

Regarding the question of 'protection', I'm not certain that they
did receive protection from one shadowy entity, but rather from
various strands, starting with Tony Blair then Gordon Brown for
pure political reasons, this in turn ignited and perpetuated a train
that all other strands of society/public opinion/media jumped upon
believing that TB and GB must be right. When the Pinky Poodle
was sent, this cemented this perception and with his contacts and
skills in media manipulation a veil of protection was established.
However, protection of any sort, is only as good and lasts as long
as the protector exists or has the inclination to continue.
If you think about it, all their backers have disembarked this train,
and no new ones are foreseen.

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