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Dr What wrote:I suppose even if one or both of the McCanns have to face the consequences, perhaps they have calculated that the £3 million in the 'bank' will not only pay for anything that their close and wider family need, but the majority of it will still be there as and when they will be in a position to enjoy it once they have served any sentence.Lose their jobs, but more than enough to start a new life somewhere.

endgame wrote:

russiandoll wrote:

endgame wrote:

russiandoll wrote:endgame .

 Can you please give a reason for why he would go these lengths to cover for the Mcs?

Because either that's his brief - he was specifically asked to investigate an abduction in a review that can be traced right back to the McCanns themselves - or he's a complete idiot or he genuinely believes this to be the case for some reason known only to himself. The last two are not mutually exclusive. Personally I hover somewhere between reasons 1 and 2 but I try to keep an open mind as anything is possible.

 OK...why would he be given that brief ? Why would he believe in a scenario which is not congruent with the evidence?

But Russiandoll you know that was the brief - to review the case as though the abduction had taken place in England. This is not a normal Met Police investigation. They have not originated this investigation nor are they even funding it. Its origins were Mccanns hand in glove with Rebekah Brooks. Rebekah Brooks lobbies her friend the Prime Minister. Sun newspaper threatens Theresa May. Theresa May asks Met to conduct review which she will fund. They are accountable to and funded by politicians.This is unprecedented and puts all kinds of strain on the investigation itself. It is not the case that someone has reported a crime to the Met and they are following their normal procedures to solve the crime wherever it may lead them. British police had six years to decide they themselves wished to investigate and said not a word.

This is just a view and like many many views on the forum it is largely surmise but its not beyond belief because there are numerous examples  all over the place of British police and politicians covering up evidence, creating evidence, lying and selectively choosing facts to support their case. I hope I'm wrong and Andy Redwood turns to be a good old fashioned genuine copper just doing his job and interested only in discovering the truth but I've yet to be convinced that is the case.

Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...

Mélusine wrote:I wish the truth was revealed tonight, but I'm sceptical.

It definitely seems something is happening, but I'm not convinced it's justice being done...

Nous verrons.

And many thanks for the info about times of tonight's BBC programme.

margaret wrote:

Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...

Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.

Roly Poly wrote:

margaret wrote:

Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...

Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.

I truly hope you are correct on both counts

margaret wrote:

Mélusine wrote:I wish the truth was revealed tonight, but I'm sceptical.

It definitely seems something is happening, but I'm not convinced it's justice being done...

Nous verrons.

And many thanks for the info about times of tonight's BBC programme.

Could those of you abroad catch it on BBC Iplayer?  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/

don't you have to wait until the show has finished though?

susible wrote:

Hicks wrote:The McCann's have had protection from the very beginning, there can be no doubt about that. Mr Amaral came across this 'interference' all the way through his investigation.
What I am saying is, I don't believe that a mere Detective Chief Inspector with the MET will be able to bring down those responsible. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I don't hold out any hope for the truth to ever be told. There will be continued silence regarding the evidence from the dogs.  

Of course....I shall be very happy if I am proved wrong.
Guess we will just have to wait and see.

Who exactly is being protected?  I'm sorry but I've never agreed with all of this cover up/protection baloney, if it was that much of a cover up, we would never have heard of the McCanns at all.

And lets face it, after 6 years not one person has come up with anything credible in terms of this all powerful person (who doesn't seemingly have much power at all) and without it descending into a farce with a cast of thousands, there really is no reason for anyone to cover up the death of a child, except the parents themselves, who in my opinion, reacted to a situation in a panic to protect themselves and they had a couple of lucky breaks, i.e. the media took it on with great gusto and gormless Gordon Brown initially thought it would be a good thing to hitch his wagon to in an effort to show his "caring side"  He ditched them pretty damn quickly though, but by that time the Mc's had amassed considerable wealth with which to hire expensive libel lawyers to shut anyone up who dared to question their story.

The McCanns should just have shut up when they were released from their arguido status, but they couldn't let it go, nothing less than total exoneration was going to do it for them, but that was never going to happen as there was just too much evidence against them.

And now we have Redwood saying that this has gone on for far too long, and they want a conclusion, so it seems quite the opposite, and who can forget how they insulted David Cameron, so I'm quite sure that this is the ideal opportunity to shut the McCanns up for once and for all imo

justjoined wrote:

margaret wrote:

Mélusine wrote:I wish the truth was revealed tonight, but I'm sceptical.

It definitely seems something is happening, but I'm not convinced it's justice being done...

Nous verrons.

And many thanks for the info about times of tonight's BBC programme.

Could those of you abroad catch it on BBC Iplayer?  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/

don't you have to wait until the show has finished though?

You will not be able to watch BBC Watch Live or I Player if you are outside the UK unless you have downloaded a VPN (a code that makes your computer think it is in the UK). However free streaming of main UK channels 1-5 is available on Filmon.com wherever you are in the world. Happy viewing. 




Thank you. I followed the link to HiDeHo FB page that somebody (forgot who, sorry) posted and there I downloaded some Expat Shield, so I hope I will be able to watch the BBC tonight.

margaret wrote:

Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...

Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.

russiandoll wrote:

Roly Poly wrote:

margaret wrote:

Praiaaa wrote:I have been very pessimistic till now, but  - what a day! With the last photo (swimming pool) no longer the last photo; the fact that the tennis ball photo cannot have been taken on the 3rd; the timeline changed; and JT sighting discredited, drip, drip, building up the pressure, and each item directly contradicting repeated statements from  McCs  and the bewk, and the e-fit looking strangely familiar, and the crediting of the Smith sighting... am more optimistic. Imagine the scenes at Rothley Towers this evening...

Does anyone know if there was tennis on the resort being played on the evening of the 3rd?

I'm inclined to believe that there was and the tennis photo really is the last photo.

Either SY have worked it all out or someone has changed their statement IMO.

I truly hope you are correct on both counts

 there was tennis 3rd May at 6pm, but so far everything said by the group is that Gerry was present, not Kate, nor the children.
 Kate herself says she was in 5a with all 3.
 So maybe this was another day, it clearly shows clothes M was said to have worn a day [or 2, it is disputed who took tennis court photo and when]
 And described now as the last photo.

Dr What wrote:I suppose even if one or both of the McCanns have to face the consequences, perhaps they have calculated that the £3 million in the 'bank' will not only pay for anything that their close and wider family need, but the majority of it will still be there as and when they will be in a position to enjoy it once they have served any sentence.Lose their jobs, but more than enough to start a new life somewhere.

Hicks wrote:

susible wrote:

Hicks wrote:The McCann's have had protection from the very beginning, there can be no doubt about that. Mr Amaral came across this 'interference' all the way through his investigation.
What I am saying is, I don't believe that a mere Detective Chief Inspector with the MET will be able to bring down those responsible. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I don't hold out any hope for the truth to ever be told. There will be continued silence regarding the evidence from the dogs.  

Of course....I shall be very happy if I am proved wrong.
Guess we will just have to wait and see.

Who exactly is being protected?  I'm sorry but I've never agreed with all of this cover up/protection baloney, if it was that much of a cover up, we would never have heard of the McCanns at all.

And lets face it, after 6 years not one person has come up with anything credible in terms of this all powerful person (who doesn't seemingly have much power at all) and without it descending into a farce with a cast of thousands, there really is no reason for anyone to cover up the death of a child, except the parents themselves, who in my opinion, reacted to a situation in a panic to protect themselves and they had a couple of lucky breaks, i.e. the media took it on with great gusto and gormless Gordon Brown initially thought it would be a good thing to hitch his wagon to in an effort to show his "caring side"  He ditched them pretty damn quickly though, but by that time the Mc's had amassed considerable wealth with which to hire expensive libel lawyers to shut anyone up who dared to question their story.

The McCanns should just have shut up when they were released from their arguido status, but they couldn't let it go, nothing less than total exoneration was going to do it for them, but that was never going to happen as there was just too much evidence against them.

And now we have Redwood saying that this has gone on for far too long, and they want a conclusion, so it seems quite the opposite, and who can forget how they insulted David Cameron, so I'm quite sure that this is the ideal opportunity to shut the McCanns up for once and for all imo

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4087-british-foreign-office-timeline-madeleine-mccann-case.

Why did the UK police working in Portugal at the time, get 'invited' to sign documents preventing them from ever speaking about the case?
How many parents of missing children get a government spin doctor assigned to them to 'monitor' everything? I don't believe Gordon Brown had any influence on matters but perhaps a network around him did. I don't believe either that there was an 'all powerful person' in PDL at the time.
I do believe that, for what ever reason, the McCann's could implicate people who would rather remain out of the picture. I believe these people may be the" they've taken her" and the" F******g b*****ds have taken her" KM was referring too.

This is just my opinion.

I'm not buying wrote:I was listening to the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio 4. It said that SY had brought together information from 10 separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. 

There was the PJ investigation, Leicester police, 3 firms of Private detectives and SY itself... Can anyone add to that list?

Does this mean that they have taken into account information supplied by 'armchair detectives' and 'internet nutters'?

Newintown wrote:It was an all-male tennis match according to the witness statements.  Was it Payne (anyway one of the Tapas males) who said in his statement that he went to the tennis court at 7 p.m. to encourage GM to play on, but GM said he had to get back to the apartment to help with the children.  Why would he try to encourage GM to play on at 7 p.m. unless it was to create an alibi.

However, Mrs Fenn's daughter (can't remember her name right now) said in her witness statement that when she was leaving Mrs Fenn's apartment at 6.30 p.m. it was dusk so if GM and the other Tapas males carried on playing it would have been in very dull light at 7 p.m. onwards.

MoonGoddess wrote:

I'm not buying wrote:I was listening to the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio 4. It said that SY had brought together information from 10 separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. 

There was the PJ investigation, Leicester police, 3 firms of Private detectives and SY itself... Can anyone add to that list?

Does this mean that they have taken into account information supplied by 'armchair detectives' and 'internet nutters'?

Yewtree?

ultimaThule wrote:

Newintown wrote:It was an all-male tennis match according to the witness statements.  Was it Payne (anyway one of the Tapas males) who said in his statement that he went to the tennis court at 7 p.m. to encourage GM to play on, but GM said he had to get back to the apartment to help with the children.  Why would he try to encourage GM to play on at 7 p.m. unless it was to create an alibi.

However, Mrs Fenn's daughter (can't remember her name right now) said in her witness statement that when she was leaving Mrs Fenn's apartment at 6.30 p.m. it was dusk so if GM and the other Tapas males carried on playing it would have been in very dull light at 7 p.m. onwards.

On 3 May 2007 the sun rose in Portugal at 06.29 and set and 20.34.  In any event, it's probable that the Ocean Club tennis courts are floodlit because it can be far too hot to play during daylight hours in the summer months.

MissDaisy wrote:

MoonGoddess wrote:

I'm not buying wrote:I was listening to the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio 4. It said that SY had brought together information from 10 separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. 

There was the PJ investigation, Leicester police, 3 firms of Private detectives and SY itself... Can anyone add to that list?

Does this mean that they have taken into account information supplied by 'armchair detectives' and 'internet nutters'?

Yewtree?

Elvedon?