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OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 6:58

@lj wrote:Wasn't that the information the Brits did not want to give the Portuguese?
YEAP, phone calls and texs are always clues and KEYs to investigators.

So you have to wonder why Grange is looking outwards instead of inwards.

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Post by russiandoll on 04.10.13 7:01

from Anne Guedes on Justice forum :

I've been informed (that's exceptional) that the McCanns will make an appeal and appear on TV in regard to new information on phone records. It seems they have an interview on the 16th with Redwood to do a TV appearance in Germany.
What should one believe ? Probably think that's time lost.


 now, where does Germany fit into all of this, if the above is true?

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:07

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I see new thread started as people come across news.
Can we please have all the press and media news on the reconstruction, crimewatch, and appeal on one thread headed "Press/Media News on Crimewatch/Reconstruction/Appeal by Scotland Yard on the Mccanns Case" to facilitate easy discussions without posters having to jump from one thread to another.

Thank you.

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Post by Spandex on 04.10.13 7:10

After so many years I don't know what to think anymore? In a way I feel cautiously optimistic if they are checking mobile phone records on the other hand it seems as though they are still investigating an abduction?

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:10

@russiandoll wrote:from Anne Guedes on Justice forum :

I've been informed (that's exceptional) that the McCanns will make an appeal and appear on TV in regard to new information on phone records. It seems they have an interview on the 16th with Redwood to do a TV appearance in Germany.
What should one believe ? Probably think that's time lost.


 now, where does Germany fit into all of this, if the above is true?
Hewlett?

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Post by AskTheDogsSandra on 04.10.13 7:11

@aiyoyo wrote:
DCI Redwood said: "I have no reason to be anything other than confident in the McCanns. They have been thoroughly supportive of our inquiry and our relationship is very strong."
????omg dontgetit huh 

Where's the scratch head emoticon?
Let me get this right...Redwood is a Detective Chief Inspector, right?

Even with all the evidence, including the two dogs, he can still say something like this in public?

Ooooooooooooooook. fool 

For me, he gives the police a very bad name and I just feel that he is representing an authority that cannot now be trusted, just like the social services who cannot be trusted to protect vulnerable children who end up being murdered by their parents. No wonder these things happen with wazzocks like this in charge.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:12

@Spandex wrote:After so many years I don't know what to think anymore? In a way I feel cautiously optimistic if they are checking mobile phone records on the other hand it seems as though they are still investigating an abduction?
Seems that way isnt it? Else they could have started from Mccanns and their deleted phone records!

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Post by tiny on 04.10.13 7:14

wft going on here. are sy doing a McCann,ya know like ,confusion is good

  DCI Redwood said: "I have no reason to be anything other than confident in the McCanns. They have been thoroughly supportive of our inquiry and our relationship is very strong."
 
or as kate said, we were in to each other.(or words to that effect)angry2

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Post by Pyewacket on 04.10.13 7:18

I now wonder if that was the development mentioned to GM by the reporter on the Lisbon Court steps the other day ?

K&G to appear on Crimewatch with DCI Redwood......Oh dear, IMO not a good sign for TM, there have been several cases where those who make appearances on TV with the Police are arrested soon after. Remember the Philpotts ?

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:21

@AskTheDogsSandra wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
DCI Redwood said: "I have no reason to be anything other than confident in the McCanns. They have been thoroughly supportive of our inquiry and our relationship is very strong."
????omg dontgetit huh 

Where's the scratch head emoticon?
Let me get this right...Redwood is a Detective Chief Inspector, right?

Even with all the evidence, including the two dogs, he can still say something like this in public?

Ooooooooooooooook. fool 

For me, he gives the police a very bad name and I just feel that he is representing an authority that cannot now be trusted, just like the social services who cannot be trusted to protect vulnerable children who end up being murdered by their parents. No wonder these things happen with wazzocks like this in charge.

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However, I like the bit about the police investigating mobile phone records - well done Kiko for sending them your research high5
Yeah, but asking 987654321 people who'd been in PDL to come forward......?

That's not narrowing it down - au contraire that's widening the scope!
Redwood should start from home ground, unless the accomplice is to be found from the 4 countries listed?

Who are they expecting to come forward when they did the appeal with the Mccanns?
You have to question why Redwood include Mccanns in their appeal when they could have done it independent of the Mccanns?
Making it the first time Mccanns' appeal is official, as opposed to all their previous appeals which were privately done



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Post by russiandoll on 04.10.13 7:22

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Spandex wrote:After so many years I don't know what to think anymore? In a way I feel cautiously optimistic if they are checking mobile phone records on the other hand it seems as though they are still investigating an abduction?
Seems that way isnt it?  Else they could have started from Mccanns and their deleted phone records!
   But EVERYONE IN PDL AT THE TIME IS HAVING PHONE RECORDS ANALYSED. THAT MUST BY DEFINITION INCLUDE THE MCCANNS AND CO.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:23

@Pyewacket wrote:I now wonder if that was the development mentioned to GM by the reporter on the Lisbon Court steps the other day ?

K&G to appear on Crimewatch with DCI Redwood......Oh dear, IMO not a good sign for TM, there have been several cases where those who make appearances on TV with the Police are arrested soon after. Remember the Philpotts ?
Yeap, it seems news agencies in Portugal were aware of this development ahead of this announcement.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:25

@russiandoll wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@Spandex wrote:After so many years I don't know what to think anymore? In a way I feel cautiously optimistic if they are checking mobile phone records on the other hand it seems as though they are still investigating an abduction?
Seems that way isnt it?  Else they could have started from Mccanns and their deleted phone records!
   But EVERYONE IN PDL AT THE TIME IS HAVING PHONE RECORDS ANALYSED. THAT MUST BY DEFINITION INCLUDE THE MCCANNS AND CO.
So, are you saying Scotland Yard may be appealing in 4 European countries  to their accomplice to come forward, and doing this appeal standing side-by-side with the two suspects?what 

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Post by Pyewacket on 04.10.13 7:26

@aiyoyo wrote:
DCI Redwood said: "I have no reason to be anything other than confident in the McCanns. They have been thoroughly supportive of our inquiry and our relationship is very strong."
????omg dontgetit huh 

Where's the scratch head emoticon?
As I've mentioned aiyoyo, I think that he has to say that to maintain the false sense of security enjoyed by TM. You don't want targets knowing they're being targetted if you get what I mean. IMO of course.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:31

@Pyewacket wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
DCI Redwood said: "I have no reason to be anything other than confident in the McCanns. They have been thoroughly supportive of our inquiry and our relationship is very strong."
????omg dontgetit huh 

Where's the scratch head emoticon?
As I've mentioned aiyoyo, I think that he has to say that to maintain the false sense of security enjoyed by TM. You don't want targets knowing they're being targetted if you get what I mean. IMO of course.
Yeah...yeah...we all know about false sense of security,,,, but this is taking it too far,,,,,taking the piss in fact.

Including them in the Appeal, soon to be aired in 4 countries and widening the Scope to 41 suspects etc - doing the reconstruction where? without involving the T9?...some length Redwood went to just to give them false sense of security?

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:33

Madeleine McCann case: Police launch huge trawl to trace phones of people who were in Praia da Luz in 2007

PAUL PEACHEY   The Independent FRIDAY 04 OCTOBER 2013

Police are attempting to trace mobile phones linked to 31 countries to identify thousands of people who were in the Algarve town of Praia da Luz when Madeleine McCann went missing six years ago, Scotland Yard said.

The scale of the huge trawl emerged as police said that they had identified 41 people of interest, including 15 Britons, during an investigation by the country's biggest police force after an appeal by the family to Home Secretary Theresa May in 2011. The girl, then aged three went missing from a holiday apartment on May 3, 2007 as her parents Kate and Gerry dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

“What we're trying to do is to use every route available to us to identify as many of them as possible and the phone data is one route into that,” said Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Andy Redwood, the senior investigating officer on the inquiry. “If you were in Praia da Luz at the time, you may get a routine phone call from the police.”

The girl's parents are to make a new television appeal in light of “fresh, substantive” material unearthed as part of a British police investigation. In the week Crimewatch airs, equivalent programmes made in Holland, Germany and possibly Ireland, are expected to be broadcast.

Detectives have issued 31 international letters of request to mostly European countries in relation to some of the persons of interest as well as accessing phone records. A large but “manageable” list of phone numbers identified as being present in Praia da Luz - though not necessarily used to make phone calls - has been drawn up by detectives with a “significant” number unattributed to any named person.

And significantly, police officers are now able to create a log showing calls being made at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. Mr Redwood said his team could never say for certain that it knew everybody who was in Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared. He said 99 per cent of the phone numbers are likely to belong to “completely unaware and innocent individuals”.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said: “Kate and Gerry remain very grateful to the Met for the work they are doing in liaison with the Portuguese authorities.

"Their forthcoming appearance on Crimewatch is an important stage in that ongoing process. Naturally, they hope it will lead to information that will provide the breakthrough to finding Madeleine."

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:39

Police to call ALL tourists staying at Maddie resort: Scotland Yard trawls through phone records of people from 30 countries in hunt for clues
Officers 'looking for a needle in a haystack' as they examine phone data

Trying to build up picture of who was at resort at time of disappearance

Anyone at Praia da Luz resort in 2007 may get a call from officers

A £5m case review lead to a 'new theory' about to be aired on Crimewatch

Appeal on October 14 will be first time McCann's and Portuguese police have stood side by side since parents were named as suspects in case

By REBECCA CAMBER
PUBLISHED: 02:14 GMT, 4 October 2013 | UPDATED: 02:14 GMT, 4 October 2013
 
Thousands of tourists worldwide are to get a call from police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as detectives try to trace everyone in the resort where she vanished.
Scotland Yard is trawling through phone records of holidaymakers from more than 30 countries who were staying in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz when the three-year-old went missing in 2007.
The mammoth task comes ahead of a television appeal by Kate and Gerry McCann in light of ‘fresh, substantive material’ unearthed by the Metropolitan Police investigation into their missing daughter.

Officers investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann (left) have come up with a 'new theory' which will be broadcast on Crimewatch on October 14. Various appeals, including one which featured a digitally altered image of her as she might have looked aged nine (right) have been unsuccessful
Detectives revealed yesterday that they have an important ‘new theory’ which is due to be unveiled in a BBC Crimewatch appeal featuring a reconstruction of her disappearance.

The appeal on October 14, which will be first time that the McCanns have stood shoulder to shoulder with police since they were wrongly declared suspects by the Portuguese investigation, is seen as highly symbolic.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the Met’s review into the case, claims they have identified ‘genuinely new’ leads and ‘substantially different’ material after a two-year, £5million review.

Gerry McCann has been in Lisbon this week to pursue a libel action against a former Portuguese police chief who claims he and his wife covered up the girl's death
He believes a vast database of mobile phone traffic in Praia da Luz around the time she went missing could hold the key to the mystery.
Detectives want to use the data to build a comprehensive picture of who was in the resort for the first time.
They have sent letters of request to 31 countries asking police to help identify thousands of holidaymakers, local residents and workers visiting or living in the village from the vast phone log collated between April 28 and May 3, 2007.

Officials in mostly northern European countries, including Portugal, are being asked to check criminal records and evidence logs for the mobile phone numbers, although police admit it may be virtually impossible to trace the owners of pay as you go phones six years on.
Detectives hope the log will be the source of new witnesses as well as identifying any known sex offenders in the area at the time, even though 99 per cent of those numbers are likely to represent innocent holidaymakers and locals.

The data shows a timeline of calls made and their destination, although it does not include text messages.
The log was recovered by the Portuguese police although it has never been properly analysed due to the sheer scale of the task.
Praia da Luz has a population of more than 3,000 residents living over an area of eight square miles, but in the summer months that number swells as mainly British, German and Dutch tourists flock to the popular beach resort.

Police say they are having to do it ‘the hard way' comparing the inquiry, named Operation Grange, to ‘finding a needle in a haystack’, as more traditional methods of capturing evidence such as CCTV were not available in the coastal town.

Mr Redwood said: ‘We are doing it the hard way quite frankly. This is not just a general trawl, this is a targeted attack in relation to that database to see if it assists us in finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann at that time.
‘A lot of the focus is not necessarily to find a suspect, but also witnesses. We’re trying to understand who was there for a range of reasons.

During the appeal Kate and Gerry McCann will stand side by side with Portuguese police for the first time since they were named as suspects
‘If you were in Praia da Luz at the time, you may get a routine phone call from the police.’

Madeleine went missing from an apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, as her parents dined with friends at a nearby tapas restaurant.
The shambolic Portuguese inquiry into her disappearance was shelved in 2008.

But in a crucial step forward, Portuguese police have now appointed six detectives to help British police investigate 41 ‘persons of interest’ scattered across Europe.

Fifteen of those suspects are British, but detectives say they are close to eliminating three individuals from their inquiries.
The new team of senior detectives operating from Faro have been given permission to interview suspects, take statements and conduct their own inquires, although the Portuguese have refused to reopen their own investigation.
Scotland Yard began a Home Office-funded review in 2011 following the intervention of David Cameron.

The Crimewatch appeal will be broadcast on October 14, but the new theory may require police to call holidaymakers staying at the resort in 2007
Operation Grange, which is now a full-scale investigation, has amassed 39,148 documents, of which 21,614 have been processed so far, relating to information from Portuguese Police, eight private investigators and other British forces, such as Leicestershire Police.
More than 4,900 fresh lines of inquiry have been created.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, of the Metropolitan Police, said officers had a ‘new theory’ about her disappearance.
On the forthcoming Crimewatch appeal he said: ‘There is new information not previously presented. Fresh, substantive material upon which to make an appeal.
‘It’s substantially different. It’s not just a bland ‘can you help us’ appeal, there is some different material and a different understanding to be presented.’
He also said equivalent Crimewatch programmes made in Holland, Germany and possibly Ireland, will be broadcast.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, said: ‘Kate and Gerry remain very grateful to the Met for the work they are doing in liaison with the Portuguese authorities.
‘Their forthcoming appearance on Crimewatch is an important stage in that ongoing process. Naturally, they hope it will lead to information that will provide the breakthrough to finding Madeleine.’


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Post by Pyewacket on 04.10.13 7:44

OK, well lets wait and see !! Could all be another very thick coat of white paint of course. IMO if there going to do a reconstruction it has to include  K&G and the T7. But where, that's a good point. Thing is there's plenty of time to make people sweat, and if OG are secretly monitoring they will probably watching all concerned closely right now.

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Post by Cheshire Cat on 04.10.13 7:44

@aquila wrote:It's all go in October, the libel trial in Portugal, a crimewatch tv programme dedicated to the McCanns, Redwood of the Yard announcing advances in the case (don't titter at the back) and the Rebekkah Brooks trial to begin.
Timed to happen before (if) Gerry gives evidence.

It is all about spin and generating media pressure and drowning out the truth.

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Post by Woofer on 04.10.13 7:49

Aiyoyo - "this is taking it much too far, taking the piss in fact"  - Yep  you`re right - much too far.

Someone rich and powerful is being protected IMO

Could it be the link is the titillating piccies?

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:52

The appeal on October 14, which will be first time that the McCanns have stood shoulder to shoulder with police since they were wrongly declared suspects by the Portuguese investigation, is seen as highly symbolic


of what? their innocence?

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:55

[quote]and significantly, police officers are now able to create a log showing calls being made at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. Mr Redwood said his team could never say for certain that it knew everybody who was in Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared. He said 99 per cent of the phone numbers are likely to belong to “completely unaware and innocent individuals”.[/quote]

So is this 99% innocent individuals going to get a routine call from the DCI Redwood?

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 04.10.13 7:58

@aiyoyo wrote:
The appeal on October 14, which will be first time that the McCanns have stood shoulder to shoulder with police since they were wrongly declared suspects by the Portuguese investigation, is seen as highly symbolic
of what?  their innocence?
Interesting……

Part of the reason the case was shelved was due to lack of co-operation concerning the reconstitution. The exchange of letters between Stuart Prior, Tapas mob and the portugese shows that the Tapas were writing from an agreed script. The frustration and disbelief at the arrogance of it all was evident from the Portugese side. The attempt by the Tapas to set the terms was un-fookin-believable, and so on.

It is VERY symbolic and I think the McCanns have painted themselves into a corner, and IMO this is the turning point.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 7:58

@Pyewacket wrote:OK, well lets wait and see !! Could all be another very thick coat of white paint of course. IMO if there going to do a reconstruction it has to include  K&G and the T7. But where, that's a good point. Thing is there's plenty of time to make people sweat, and if OG are secretly monitoring they will probably watching all concerned closely right now.

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Far as I read they'd not used T9 in their reconstruction, and it was NOT done in PDL, or people in Portugal would have heard all about it.

My impression is actors were used. Filming may have been done in studio using prop up...maybe, who know?

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Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Post by Woofer on 04.10.13 7:59

"The data shows a timeline of calls made and their destination, although it does not include text messages."

Why not - are they looking at a different set of phone records?  We know the text messages are on the list.

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