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Gerry McCann may be witness at libel trial tomorrow - Jerry Lawton **UPDATE** TRIAL ABANDONED FOR TODAY

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Post by lj on 29.09.13 9:25

@sallypelt wrote:
candyfloss wrote:This from a 'pro'

Amoral's legal team afraid of Gerry  #McCann testifying. Fake illness staged in cynical attempt to create an adjournment. Time to settle?



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Or could it be that Gerry McCann, has, all of a sudden, asked to take the stand, safe in the knowledge that it's too late? However, now with the adjournment, this give more time, and Gerry McCann may now get his "wish"?

Just a thought!

Edited to add, it would be interesting to know when Gerry McCann asked if he could testify, and at what time Mr Amaral's lawyer left court "in a hurry" to attend to his sick son?
I suspected that too.

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Post by plebgate on 29.09.13 10:46

If either one of them had had a real breakdown there is no way they would be able to run the household and do his job.  Plus on top of that all the keep fit activity.  IMO of course,

Editd to add - we will soon find out because a doctor's evidence will have to be provided before the judge would allow damages for the health aspect of their writ.

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Oh and by the way Gerry, before yo leave the witness box . . .

Post by PeterMac on 29.09.13 11:16

Are all these people on your list, to be sued ?
AND IF NOT, WHY NOT?

The Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police stated in July 2008 that "While one or both of them [the McCanns] may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance."

Less than a month after Madeleine's reported disappearance, Lee Rainbow, who was at that time Senior Behavioural Investigation Consultant for the NPIA (National Policing Improvement Agency), wrote a report in which he stated: "The potential involvement of the family in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be discarded, and it can be considered that, when pondering the basis for research, this hypothesis deserves as much attention as the criminal with sexual motivations that has been previously prioritised.
"It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored." That report led directly to the arrival of the two operational specialist search dogs which indicated at a number of locations, as well as items, connected to the McCanns. As a result of that intervention, and what the Portuguese police believed to be conclusive DNA evidence, the McCanns were made arguidos (suspects).

The British government's Foreign & Commonwealth Office made their view clear, post-arguido, in December 2009, when responding to a Freedom of Information request about the missing child, Ben Needham. They wrote: 'You will also be aware of the Madeleine McCann case. Both this and the Needham case are categorised as a missing persons, rather than child abduction cases, as there is no evidence in either case to support whether the children were or were not abducted.'

Mark Harrison MBE
I am the National advisor in relation to Search for all Police Agencies within the UK for Missing persons, Abduction,and Homicide.
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeline McCann has been murdered and her body concealed within the areas previously searched by Police .

Tavares de Almeida
A. the minor Madeleine McCann died in Apartment 5A at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, on the night of 3 May 2007
B. a simulation - a staged hoax - of an abduction took place
C. in order to render the child’s death impossible before 10.00pm, a situation of checking of the McCann couple’s children while they slept was concocted
D. Dr Gerald McCann and Dr Kate McCann are involved in the concealment of the corpse of their daughter, Madeleine McCann

José de Magalhaes e Menezes and Joao Melchior Gomes
viii - Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow a reasonable man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensible, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment

Why only Dr Amaral, and TB?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 29.09.13 12:47

Joao Melchior Gomes
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Post by happychick on 29.09.13 13:04

Martin Grime and his "notoriously unreliable" dogs should be on that list too PeterMac.

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Post by aiyoyo on 30.09.13 3:00

@Portia wrote:
@Seek truth wrote:
@jozi wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:When I am cynical again: GM knew [knew] that he couldn't be heard today as a witness. Now the case has been adjourned till next Wednesday. Which will be a good 5 days since his request so he can/has to be heard. Bingo!
IMO, of course, IMO.

Chinese saying: Be careful what you wish for ...
Is this true ? Am I reading this right......Gerry applied to be a witness and arrived at the court knowing full well he would not be allowed to give evidence ?

But now the court proceedings were postponed due to illness, Mr Amaral and his defense team are here given enough time for them to prepare for this witness and can now allow Mr Mac to be called into the witness box

My word if this is true Gerry has just scored a massive home goal !!!

Perhaps they realized this when he was being interviewed outside of the court ! No wonder he looked sheepish and was looking at the floor ?
Probably.

But then the boys surgery was just convenient?

Firstly.
1- what time did GA lawyer tell somebody about the surgery?
2- what time did Gerry decide to book his flight?

FAIU, GA's lawyer informed Court of his domestic situation in writing day before, but was only granted leave of absence on day of Court the following day.  ID must have learned of this in Court that day.  Else she would have saved her witnesses the trip one would have thought.  


Was it after finding out about the boy being ill? He knew he wouldn't be able to be seen.
After all,
1- they were advised to keep away 
2- ID doesn't want him too either 
3- AND he did say he wasn't sure if he'd be allowed to! 

He wasn't going as audience as Kate did, else there was no need to announce it ahead of time.
The announcement in the UK Press is just spin, their attempt to claw back some credibility, a charade that at least one of them went to speak for their own cause, nothing else.  Or maybe he was hoping to whet the media's appetite hoping for a media frenzy so that they can spin.  But their speculated frenzy did not happen.  Surprisingly, apart from Brunty no UK press follows the case live from Court. Every title just copy and paste whatever unfolds.  

Strangely an eerie silence from CM too.
Too busy campaigning for his own cause, and noticeably distancing himself from the Mccanns that they were omitted in his CV.
 As opposed to before they were  mentioned as his springboard to success.
Now it is each to their own cause.



Will he really allow himself to be cross examined? Will the judge dare?
Yes, the Judge will allow GM to take the stand, provided dr Amaral, TV1 and Guerra y Paz give the green light for this to happen. 

IF GM should request to be allowed to testify under oath, that is. That's a very big IF. 

So far, we have seen not a single shred of evidence he did so, nor any hint he will. 

Another thing. Isabel Duarte did not reach her professional status by being a nitwit. She knows the facts, the Files and everything else that matters in this case. She -ID- must be aware of the fact that the McCs so far have been going down in flames, by their lamentable choice of cranky witlesses. She must have a trump up her sleeve, or she must think she has one. 

My interpretation of the Friday Courthouse steps performance, and her behaviour there is as follows. 

She knows she has been selling the McCs down the drain. She knows GM knows. They both know. Kate has done a Blighty. On the Steps, she was so utterly ashamed by her lousy performance, that she just grinned to hide her embarrasment, avoiding all eye-contact with her wealthy client who had just given her a succinct piece of his mind, just out of sight/earshot of the media;

OR:

Mistress Isabel and mr McCann are in cahoots, and they know the only purpose now is to create as much sympathy for the McCs as humanly and inhumanly possible, in order to pre-empt the fall of the Sword of Damocles poised above the McCs head since the start of the SY review.

Like I said: the famouser & famouser they appear, the less likely anyone in the UK will dare to touch them.

Almost, as when Kate Healy tried to shoo away the PJ, hectoring them on the effects her arrest would make on het parents: "What will my parents say!!?"

Indeed. 

And now mother Healy has been axed from the list of witnesses, we will probably never know

IMO, there's no doubt Gerry parachuted in on ID say so.
The haste it was done suggests ID intended it as a surprise and intended him to speak on that day.
I dont believe ID can be that careless to make a faux pas like that.  
She'd something up her sleeve, what though, we did not get to learn of it, neither did her opposition, since the postponement scuppered her surprise plan.
No wonder she looked displeased.

It's unclear whether the 10-day notice period applies to the plaintiff (cause of the litigation) in the same manner as to third party witness.
Or under what basis the new code of CPC allows plaintiffs to speak, but would imagine Court has to be notified ahead of time nonetheless.

Would he return is the $64 million question?   Was the purpose gone?  It depends what purpose ID intended him to be there for.
If he does take the stand, he would be obliged to take he OATH, swear to speak the Truth, the Whole Truth, Nothing but the Truth.

Could it be that ID told him their case is a goner, verdict predictable and pretty much set in stone, COME and TURN this stone.
What's certain is that the performance of their bunch of witnesses is not up to par, in fact a few of them worsened the matter for them.
Maybe only Gerry, known for his brilliant sarcastic performance can save the day.

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Post by marconi on 30.09.13 5:36

Today is the last day of September and I hope that October will bring us the answer to the mystery.
Who is responsible for Madeleine's death, what did she die of and where is her body to be found.
My theory, imo, is that she could have being buried in the cript if the Luz church, in somebodý else's grave.
It is known that the McCanns had a key of the church . Who knows the PJ installed cameras inside of it and they could follow the parents. We don't know, we can only try to guess.
The only thing that I am certain of is that I am very happy that the case has gone that far: an investigation by the Yard with the PJ's support.
Nobody in the UK will complain about the results of the Met, which, imo, will be the same results of the PJ's, and probably with more details, imo. 

Most of us are holding our breath, imo, and I hope not for much longer otherwise we will suffocate.

If Maddie's remains are found, there will be a possibility of an autopsy, imo, especially if they are wrapped in that blanked. The blanked could have traces of blood and other elements and it will be a huge amount of work.
Science even found out what Tutankamon died of, thousands years ago, they will find out about Madeleine, imo.
It will not be perfect, of course, but it will happen, imo.
It is possible that there are witnesses that saw the body immediately after the death, they can state, although I think that a statement is not an evidence in an autopsy, imo.


IMO

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Post by Guest on 01.10.13 10:26

So he is going..........



 Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 3m
Gerry #McCann flying to Portugal hoping to give evidence at £1m libel trial of ex-cop who alleged he covered up daughter Madeleine's death




Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 1m
Also set to give evidence at Lisbon libel trial tomorrow is Kate #McCann mum Susan and Gerry's sister Trish

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Post by tiny on 01.10.13 10:41

Still only hoping to give evidence,well I hope he is allowed,i for one cant wait,wonder what question they will ask him.

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Post by Rufus T on 01.10.13 10:46

Châtelaine wrote:All four them ... Waw!
Surely you mean 3 , Gerry, Susan and Trish or am I missing something?

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Post by Guest on 01.10.13 10:46

Typically dear old Maman: "Why? Do they want to or do they have to...?"

And I was reminded of the very fortunate timing of the final phase of this trial - which had so many distressing delays - now that with the new law in force since last month also plaintiffs can be heard in court.

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Post by Guest on 01.10.13 10:47

@Rufus T wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:All four them ... Waw!
Surely you mean 3 , Gerry, Susan and Trish or am I missing something?
***
I may have misread that as: Gerry, Kate, Mum Susan and Trish ...

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Post by Woofer on 01.10.13 10:53

So - these must be the replacements for the witnesses that she `could not have`.

On the original list for 2nd Oct were :-

1. Henrique Machado (Correia da Manha journalist), 
2. Eduardo Damaso (Political Analyst) and
3. Trish Cameron.

So I wonder why the first two are not now attending.

As she put the request to replace witnesses in last Thursday, it won`t be 5 working days until Wednesday unless they count Saturday as a working day.  The defence would have to have that time in order to prepare. So when she said last week that she put in the application for Gerry to testify, she must have done it for Kate as well.  I think Susan Healy was already listed.

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Post by Angelique on 01.10.13 10:54

Wow this is something else. 

What I wouldn't give to be there!

As to questions asked of them - they have to be solely to do with the Writ. So no questions that would be too hard to answer. 

Can someone remind me what they are  - one was rights of personality or something like that.

I have just watched the YouTube interview they gave to Expresso in 2008. If only the reporter hadn't interrupted Gerry he may have slipped something untoward out. Never mind nah 

I just wonder if they could get Gerry to whitter on long enough to slip up.

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Post by Guest on 01.10.13 10:56

@Angelique wrote:Wow this is something else. 

What I wouldn't give to be there!

As to questions asked of them - they have to be solely to do with the Writ. So no questions that would be too hard to answer. 

Can someone remind me what they are  - one was rights of personality or something like that.
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7792-the-emotional-life-of-the-mccanns-by-dr-kate-mccann

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Post by Angelique on 01.10.13 10:58

Many thanks for the link. winkwink

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Post by jeanmonroe on 01.10.13 11:04

5* hotel tonight?
Only because it's 'conveniently' situated near the court room, you understand.
Lots of Hotel 'stationary' to hand?
Only because they can put down in writing TONIGHT, separately, underlying in green pen, how K&G 'felt' at the time of GA's book, you understand.
An aide-memoire, if you like.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 01.10.13 11:09

Quote from the above link....
'The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”. 

The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:

• permanent anxiety, 
• insomnia, 
• lack of appetite, 
• irritability, 
• indefinable fear.

In the writ, the McCanns further describe both of themselves as:

• “totally destroyed”,
• “irreparably damaged”, and
• “totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view”.  '


All of the above could be described as symptoms of grief and loss, after losing their daughter in tragic circumstances.  They could also be symptomatic of the stress of keeping the whole show on the road for 6 years.  It would be extremely hard to prove that any of this is a result of GA's book, even if they had a professional psychiatric diagnosis which apparently they don't.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 01.10.13 11:12

The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”............fear of getting 'caught'.

The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:

• permanent anxiety,.............................fear of getting 'caught'
• insomnia, ...........................................fear of getting 'caught'
• lack of appetite,,,(except when 'fueling up' for triathlons and marathons and 'hijacked' charity runs),,,,,,,,,,,,fear of getting 'caught'
• irritability,...........................................fear of people asking awkward questions
• indefinable fear.................................fear of getting 'caught'

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Post by tiny on 01.10.13 11:17

@jeanmonroe wrote:The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”............fear of getting 'caught'.

The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:

• permanent anxiety,.............................fear of getting 'caught'
• insomnia, ...........................................fear of getting 'caught'
• lack of appetite,,,(except when 'fueling up' for triathlons and marathons and 'hijacked' charity runs),,,,,,,,,,,,fear of getting 'caught'
• irritability,...........................................fear of people asking awkward questions
• indefinable fear.................................fear of getting 'caught'
Oh so true.

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Post by Woofer on 01.10.13 11:18

@jeanmonroe wrote:The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”............fear of getting 'caught'.

The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:

• permanent anxiety,.............................fear of getting 'caught'
• insomnia, ...........................................fear of getting 'caught'
• lack of appetite,,,(except when 'fueling up' for triathlons and marathons and 'hijacked' charity runs),,,,,,,,,,,,fear of getting 'caught'
• irritability,...........................................fear of people asking awkward questions
• indefinable fear.................................fear of getting 'caught'
Exactly goodpost

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Post by Woofer on 01.10.13 11:21

@Truthandjustice wrote:Quote from the above link....
'The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”. 

The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:

• permanent anxiety, 
• insomnia, 
• lack of appetite, 
• irritability, 
• indefinable fear.

In the writ, the McCanns further describe both of themselves as:

• “totally destroyed”,
• “irreparably damaged”, and
• “totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view”.  '


All of the above could be described as symptoms of grief and loss, after losing their daughter in tragic circumstances.  They could also be symptomatic of the stress of keeping the whole show on the road for 6 years.  It would be extremely hard to prove that any of this is a result of GA's book, even if they had a professional psychiatric diagnosis which apparently they don't.
Exactly agree

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Post by jeanmonroe on 01.10.13 11:33

candyfloss wrote:This from a 'pro'

Amoral's legal team afraid of Gerry  #McCann testifying. Fake illness staged in cynical attempt to create an adjournment. Time to settle?



spit coffee 
Well if the McCann pro supporters are saying that:

Can we say?

Gerry's legal team afraid of GA  #McCann testifying. Will Trish or Ma fake an illness staged in cynical attempt to create an adjournment. Time to settle?

And Gerry on hand to 'save' easyjet passenger (mark II )

ETA: anyway you cut it, Ma Healy's and Trish Cameron's 'evidence' will only, and can only, be HEARSAY.

"they wuz well proper upset, innit?"

Finally: • “totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view”.

Where does one even start with discussing those claims?

They are a whole new 'forum' in themselves!

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Post by marconi on 01.10.13 11:46

@Woofer wrote:
@Truthandjustice wrote:Quote from the above link....
'The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”. 

The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:

• permanent anxiety, 
• insomnia, 
• lack of appetite, 
• irritability, 
• indefinable fear.

In the writ, the McCanns further describe both of themselves as:

• “totally destroyed”,
• “irreparably damaged”, and
• “totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view”.  '


All of the above could be described as symptoms of grief and loss, after losing their daughter in tragic circumstances.  They could also be symptomatic of the stress of keeping the whole show on the road for 6 years.  It would be extremely hard to prove that any of this is a result of GA's book, even if they had a professional psychiatric diagnosis which apparently they don't.
Exactly agree
if it is that bad, it would be irresponsible to keep the twins.
they have to give up them.

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