Gerry McCann may be witness at libel trial tomorrow - Jerry Lawton **UPDATE** TRIAL ABANDONED FOR TODAY

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said it was important that he be heard.

She added: "I asked because I don't have two witnesses that I have appointed, so I have asked the court to substitute the two witnesses by Gerry, because nowadays he can give evidence."

ultimaThule wrote:

Trainer wrote:When the case was first "launched" started the law was that the mccanns could not be called to testifie, but due to the recent changes that is not now the case. But has Gerry turned up late so he can say " I wanted to but they wouldn't let me" but now it's been postponed ..... He can now get in the witness box and get cross examined ........

It seems Gerry can only take the stand if Dr Amaral together with his co-defendants and lawyers consent to his late request to give evidence:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/gerry-mccann-wants-to-speak-in-court.html

It's inconceivable Gerry wasn't made aware he would not be able to enter the courtroom today, which begs the question of why he chose to rack up more airmiles at the expense of the Fund?

ShuBob wrote:Thanks Sallypelt for the BBC article  

I found this bit particularly interesting:

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said it was important that he be heard.

She added: "I asked because I don't have two witnesses that I have appointed, so I have asked the court to substitute the two witnesses by Gerry, because nowadays he can give evidence."

 

ShuBob wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Trainer wrote:When the case was first "launched" started the law was that the mccanns could not be called to testifie, but due to the recent changes that is not now the case. But has Gerry turned up late so he can say " I wanted to but they wouldn't let me" but now it's been postponed ..... He can now get in the witness box and get cross examined ........

It seems Gerry can only take the stand if Dr Amaral together with his co-defendants and lawyers consent to his late request to give evidence:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/gerry-mccann-wants-to-speak-in-court.html

It's inconceivable Gerry wasn't made aware he would not be able to enter the courtroom today, which begs the question of why he chose to rack up more airmiles at the expense of the Fund?

As some suspected, it would appear Gerry's change of heart is borne from a change of tactics by Isabel Duarte. If I'm reading the BBC article Sallypelt posted upthread correctly, they are applying for Gerry to take the place of another witness.

Tony Bennett wrote:

Portia wrote:As Maddie was made a ward of Court in 2007, and as six years have now lapsed, is it not the case that she could be legally declared deceased by now?

Sorry to ask, but in some countries on the Continent this might be the case. 

How is this in the UK?

And, in order for anyone -the Court, her parents or anyone else- to be able to represent her when asking for money as the McCs are doing now, would it not be required for these plaintiffs to prove she is still alive?

Is there a UK lawyer  who could explain this?

You can apply for a missing person to be declared dead, and a form of inquest is held. Normally you have to wait for 7 years, but there are circumstances when the period can be shortened.

I think it was shortened in the case of 'canoe man', the bloke who disappeared whilst out canoeing on the north-east coast of England. His canoe turned up on the shore, but not him, so he was presumed drowned, and an inquest so held.

It was all an elabroate ruse to get some insurance money - their wife claimed it - and after they got it, they both decanted to a nice 3-bed pad in Panama. Their ruse was discovered, and IIRC their children disowned them when the truth was brought to light - a solemn warning to anyone thinking of fooling their children as well as everybody else.

Under English law, again IIRC, this 'missing person's inquest' can only take place if the person went missing on English soil or in English territorial waters.

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ShuBob wrote:Thanks Sallypelt for the BBC article  

I found this bit particularly interesting:

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said it was important that he be heard.

She added: "I asked because I don't have two witnesses that I have appointed, so I have asked the court to substitute the two witnesses by Gerry, because nowadays he can give evidence."

 

JackieL wrote:

ShuBob wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Trainer wrote:When the case was first "launched" started the law was that the mccanns could not be called to testifie, but due to the recent changes that is not now the case. But has Gerry turned up late so he can say " I wanted to but they wouldn't let me" but now it's been postponed ..... He can now get in the witness box and get cross examined ........

It seems Gerry can only take the stand if Dr Amaral together with his co-defendants and lawyers consent to his late request to give evidence:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/gerry-mccann-wants-to-speak-in-court.html

It's inconceivable Gerry wasn't made aware he would not be able to enter the courtroom today, which begs the question of why he chose to rack up more airmiles at the expense of the Fund?

As some suspected, it would appear Gerry's change of heart is borne from a change of tactics by Isabel Duarte. If I'm reading the BBC article Sallypelt posted upthread correctly, they are applying for Gerry to take the place of another witness.

Do you think it's Pinto who's crying off?

ultimaThule wrote:

Trainer wrote:When the case was first "launched" started the law was that the mccanns could not be called to testifie, but due to the recent changes that is not now the case. But has Gerry turned up late so he can say " I wanted to but they wouldn't let me" but now it's been postponed ..... He can now get in the witness box and get cross examined ........

It seems Gerry can only take the stand if Dr Amaral together with his co-defendants and lawyers consent to his late request to give evidence:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/gerry-mccann-wants-to-speak-in-court.html

It's inconceivable Gerry wasn't made aware he would not be able to enter the courtroom today, which begs the question of why he chose to rack up more airmiles at the expense of the Fund?

ultimaThule wrote:

Trainer wrote:When the case was first "launched" started the law was that the mccanns could not be called to testifie, but due to the recent changes that is not now the case. But has Gerry turned up late so he can say " I wanted to but they wouldn't let me" but now it's been postponed ..... He can now get in the witness box and get cross examined ........

It seems Gerry can only take the stand if Dr Amaral together with his co-defendants and lawyers consent to his late request to give evidence:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/gerry-mccann-wants-to-speak-in-court.html

It's inconceivable Gerry wasn't made aware he would not be able to enter the courtroom today, which begs the question of why he chose to rack up more airmiles at the expense of the Fund?

Portia wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Trainer wrote:When the case was first "launched" started the law was that the mccanns could not be called to testifie, but due to the recent changes that is not now the case. But has Gerry turned up late so he can say " I wanted to but they wouldn't let me" but now it's been postponed ..... He can now get in the witness box and get cross examined ........

It seems Gerry can only take the stand if Dr Amaral together with his co-defendants and lawyers consent to his late request to give evidence:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/gerry-mccann-wants-to-speak-in-court.html

It's inconceivable Gerry wasn't made aware he would not be able to enter the courtroom today, which begs the question of why he chose to rack up more airmiles at the expense of the Fund?

Publicity?

As in: when I'm a public man, nobody will dare touch me. 
As in: when I'm a public man, nobody will brave the media;
and the media will not about-face as doing this will expose them to some claims from some foreign injured parties?

(Sighs) (Wriggles) Oh, but we would so hate to be found out, what with our rotten Ltd so-called-fund.

Châtelaine wrote:When I am cynical again: GM knew [knew] that he couldn't be heard today as a witness. Now the case has been adjourned till next Wednesday. Which will be a good 5 days since his request so he can/has to be heard. Bingo!
IMO, of course, IMO.

Chinese saying: Be careful what you wish for ...

candyfloss wrote:Notice 'some' on twitter having a go at Mr Amarals lawyer, about his professionalism and people having flown in etc. etc.  Moan, moan, yet not a peep out of them when the Judge failed to turn up for an afternoon session a couple of weeks ago.  People had flown in then too to give evidence, but anything to bash Mr Amaral and his lawyer as usual.

marconi wrote:Gerry has lost a lot of weight and imo the reason is the Yard's investigation, not Amaral. Maybe Kate and Gerry are separated indeed and  they can experience now what they did to Amaral.
It seems that a couple of Tapas 7 separated too, longer ago.
The cause could have been the case, imo: tension in their relationship.
If Fiona Payne is the best of the second best Kate's friend, why is she not stating at the hearing?
She does not live far away from Rothley, she must have seen Kate's problems caused by Amaral...
Or is she terrified by the Yard? I bet she is.

And the McCanns' GP, why is he not stating in favor of the couple?

Humanist wrote:Does anyone think that there might be another reason for Gerry to be in Portugal.
Maybe it is not about having a fucking good time.
Perhaps they had the grace to give him the opportunity for further questioning
and a guise of attending a court case.

The witnesses all stink.
A bit like Clarence Mitchell being the best thing to make them look guilty
Isabel Duarte is just sealing it up.
Who is she actually working for?
She should be disbarred -

I still maintain that I want every single person who has lied and obfuscated this case
in any significant way to also be arrested.
We do not stop here.

There are powers behind the scene protecting themselves.
How do we know that they asked that the court be open - how do we know that Isabel Duarte
did not request it on anothers suggestion and they just had to go along with it.
Maybe the witnesses were sourced by sources who knew they would be so incredible that they
would sign seal and deliver Kate and Gerry as the sole guiltors in the mystery of Madeleine McCann for so many years.

Am I the only one who sees the final curtain.

Châtelaine wrote:When I am cynical again: GM knew [knew] that he couldn't be heard today as a witness. Now the case has been adjourned till next Wednesday. Which will be a good 5 days since his request so he can/has to be heard. Bingo!
IMO, of course, IMO.

Chinese saying: Be careful what you wish for ...

jozi wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:When I am cynical again: GM knew [knew] that he couldn't be heard today as a witness. Now the case has been adjourned till next Wednesday. Which will be a good 5 days since his request so he can/has to be heard. Bingo!
IMO, of course, IMO.
Chinese saying: Be careful what you wish for ...

Is this true ? Am I reading this right......Gerry applied to be a witness and arrived at the court knowing full well he would not be allowed to give evidence ?
But now the court proceedings were postponed due to illness, Mr Amaral and his defense team are here given enough time for them to prepare for this witness and can now allow Mr Mac to be called into the witness box

My word if this is true Gerry has just scored a massive home goal !!!

Perhaps they realized this when he was being interviewed outside of the court ! No wonder he looked sheepish and was looking at the floor ?

PeterMac wrote:

jozi wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:When I am cynical again: GM knew [knew] that he couldn't be heard today as a witness. Now the case has been adjourned till next Wednesday. Which will be a good 5 days since his request so he can/has to be heard. Bingo!
IMO, of course, IMO.
Chinese saying: Be careful what you wish for ...

Is this true ? Am I reading this right......Gerry applied to be a witness and arrived at the court knowing full well he would not be allowed to give evidence ?
But now the court proceedings were postponed due to illness, Mr Amaral and his defense team are here given enough time for them to prepare for this witness and can now allow Mr Mac to be called into the witness box

My word if this is true Gerry has just scored a massive home goal !!!

Perhaps they realized this when he was being interviewed outside of the court ! No wonder he looked sheepish and was looking at the floor ?

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

That really would be wonderful.
Particularly if, as I hope, GA's and the other's lawyers allow it, indeed insist on it.

plebgate wrote:

Humanist wrote:Does anyone think that there might be another reason for Gerry to be in Portugal.
Maybe it is not about having a fucking good time.
Perhaps they had the grace to give him the opportunity for further questioning
and a guise of attending a court case.

The witnesses all stink.
A bit like Clarence Mitchell being the best thing to make them look guilty
Isabel Duarte is just sealing it up.
Who is she actually working for?
She should be disbarred -

I still maintain that I want every single person who has lied and obfuscated this case
in any significant way to also be arrested.
We do not stop here.

There are powers behind the scene protecting themselves.
How do we know that they asked that the court be open - how do we know that Isabel Duarte
did not request it on anothers suggestion and they just had to go along with it.
Maybe the witnesses were sourced by sources who knew they would be so incredible that they
would sign seal and deliver Kate and Gerry as the sole guiltors in the mystery of Madeleine McCann for so many years.

Am I the only one who sees the final curtain.

Wouldn't be surprised if he was there for another reason.

Thursday, Pinky tweeted about street dogs in Portugal
Then an announcement shortly afterwards that Mr. would be in Portugal, having requested (one day earlier it transpires) that he give evidence

IIRC Mrs. said she had been bitten (not too badly) be a roaming dog in Portugal.

Coded messages maybe?   who knows but it doesn't hurt to keep the old brain ticking over.  lol.

Newintown wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Did anyone notice how Gerry kept looking towards Isabel Duarte during questioning from reporters outside court perhaps hoping she'll step in and answer the questions? Unfortunately for him, Madam Duarte wasn't having any of it and just smiled as his discomfort increased  

Yes, I did notice that, I thought I was the only one.  He kept looking at her and she was ignoring him.

Oh dear. 

ETA: ID was probably thinking "I told you you should have been on the witness stand from the beginning, but you wouldn't listen to me, it's too bl**dy late now, the damage has been done with your useless witnesses". 

PeterMac wrote:

jozi wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:When I am cynical again: GM knew [knew] that he couldn't be heard today as a witness. Now the case has been adjourned till next Wednesday. Which will be a good 5 days since his request so he can/has to be heard. Bingo!
IMO, of course, IMO.
Chinese saying: Be careful what you wish for ...

Is this true ? Am I reading this right......Gerry applied to be a witness and arrived at the court knowing full well he would not be allowed to give evidence ?
But now the court proceedings were postponed due to illness, Mr Amaral and his defense team are here given enough time for them to prepare for this witness and can now allow Mr Mac to be called into the witness box

My word if this is true Gerry has just scored a massive home goal !!!

Perhaps they realized this when he was being interviewed outside of the court ! No wonder he looked sheepish and was looking at the floor ?

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

That really would be wonderful.
Particularly if, as I hope, GA's and the other's lawyers allow it, indeed insist on it.

windchime wrote:

Newintown wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Did anyone notice how Gerry kept looking towards Isabel Duarte during questioning from reporters outside court perhaps hoping she'll step in and answer the questions? Unfortunately for him, Madam Duarte wasn't having any of it and just smiled as his discomfort increased  

Yes, I did notice that, I thought I was the only one.  He kept looking at her and she was ignoring him.

Oh dear. 

ETA: ID was probably thinking "I told you you should have been on the witness stand from the beginning, but you wouldn't listen to me, it's too bl**dy late now, the damage has been done with your useless witnesses". 

Yes I noticed it too and was shocked at how she seemed to almost be laughing in his face, unless of course that is a permanent smirk she has.

Did anyone find a video of the interview that didn't strangely stop half way through?  I would love to know what else he had to say and why we couldn't see it?

windchime wrote:

Newintown wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Did anyone notice how Gerry kept looking towards Isabel Duarte during questioning from reporters outside court perhaps hoping she'll step in and answer the questions? Unfortunately for him, Madam Duarte wasn't having any of it and just smiled as his discomfort increased  

Yes, I did notice that, I thought I was the only one.  He kept looking at her and she was ignoring him.

Oh dear. 

ETA: ID was probably thinking "I told you you should have been on the witness stand from the beginning, but you wouldn't listen to me, it's too bl**dy late now, the damage has been done with your useless witnesses". 

Yes I noticed it too and was shocked at how she seemed to almost be laughing in his face, unless of course that is a permanent smirk she has.

Did anyone find a video of the interview that didn't strangely stop half way through?  I would love to know what else he had to say and why we couldn't see it?