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Gerry McCann may be witness at libel trial tomorrow - Jerry Lawton **UPDATE** TRIAL ABANDONED FOR TODAY

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Re: Gerry McCann may be witness at libel trial tomorrow - Jerry Lawton **UPDATE** TRIAL ABANDONED FOR TODAY

Post by ultimaThule on 27.09.13 10:06

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote: If there was for example a late application for Kate McCann (or Gerry McCann) to give evidence, a judge could well say something like: "I'm not going to rule on this now, but I may consider a further application at a later stage in the proceedings (depending on how the evidence goes)". Sometimes, also, a witness can be recalled, if the court thinks s/he may have something to add.

As a general rule in the British courts - and no doubt in most other well-run judicial systems - a witness must tender their evidence well in advance and in writing. To allow last-minute witnesses would clearly prejudice the other side.  

I suspect the lack of factual reporting is just shoddy journalism.  
The Newpapers may have been told Kate wasn't able to testify but not given the reason for that, and journalists just cant be arsed to find out why, so worded it any how just to come up with an article about their case.   Something just scuppered their case is likely a notion invented by the Papers.  
Unless that 'scuppered their plan' is in quotation marks I doubt its from source..


In general also, it is more likely that a defendant would be allowed to introduce extra witnesses at the last minute than a claimant/plaintiff.  

What I can't understand so far is why, given the claim that both of the McCanns are suffering from the most serious and permanent depressions, with eating disorders and insomnia, indefinable fear and other such severe emotional conditions detailed in the libel writ...why we haven't yet heard from the McCanns' G.P. nor a Consultant in Depressive Disorders or a Consultant Psychiatrist.

They would be truly suicidal if they dare come up with psychiatrist reports certifying this and that, and risk being institutionalised at worst, or at best risk losing Gerry his job, Kate her freedom to come out to spin and raise fund,  and risk losing the twins to social service.

Even if they're hell bent on destroying Amaral that they produced psychiatrist reports to support their claims, there is no measurable mean to accurately reflects that all the contributory factors to their mental and emotional health conditions were caused by Amaral's book and one documentary/

The damage was already done when they were arguidos covered so widely in the national news and news worldwide is irreparable.
 There exists already plenty of negative and skeptical of them articles/media and press reports about them.  Besides there are other books written about the case that are negative about them.  

If the argument that book and documentary are easily available and easier to sway people's opinion than files access on the internet, then the same argument should apply to Kate's bewk and documentary.
Both versions are out in the public domain, if it is perceived  (since there's no accurate gauging measure ) that general public members believed one over the other, then it's no fault of the author or producer.  Credibility of the story is down to the discerning public to decide for themselves.
The public were given informed choices so how can they possibly argue one set of opinion is any more valid than the other.

If they say Amaral's book influence people, Kate has sold more of her books than Amaral, then which leg is their argument standing on?
Is she saying contents in her bews arent believable?  That no one believes it?
 
Whatever leg the McCanns' argument may be standing on, there are four defence lawyers waiting to cut it off at the knee. 

In the unlikely event that either of the gruesome twosome take the stand, it is to be hoped the Court building has the necessary facilities to accomodate exit by wheelchair.

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Post by jozi on 27.09.13 10:08

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candyfloss wrote:So is Martin Brunt hotfooting it in to PDL today....


martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt  
#madeleine Gerry McCann expected to ask judge to let him give evidence in libel trial against ex-cop Goncalo Amaral in Lisbon today.

Expected to ask?  

So earlier reports that he hopes to give evidence is just a load of tosh then!

Last minute request cant be entertained, surely any dim wit knows that, or any tom dick and harry can walk in from the street and expect to be allowed to testify

We have two hopes here.....Bob Hope and No Hope !!!

Its all pink spin. I'm almost certain that Mr G will not be testifying but just trying to get sympathy by saying the horrible Portuguese etc etc will not allow him to...


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Post by plebgate on 27.09.13 10:36

Has there been a sighting yet?


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Post by PEANUT66 on 27.09.13 10:47

Martin Brunt just tweeted pic of Mr M. arriving in court today!

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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 10:50

@PEANUT66 wrote:Martin Brunt just tweeted pic of Mr M. arriving in court today!



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#madeleine Gerry McCann arrives for libel trial. He said: "I'm here for Madeleine and justice." pic.twitter.com/DmwBtlCJN6

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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 10:52

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#madeleine Ex-cop Goncalo Amaral in good mood as he arrives at McCann libel trial in Lisbon pic.twitter.com/pSWBbeazOn




clapping clapping clapping clapping Mrs Mrs Mrs

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Post by littlepixie on 27.09.13 10:55

If Gerry doesn't testify in Court today you can bet your bottom dollar he will make sure he is filmed pontificating on the Court steps with his prepared speech.

I suspect THAT is why he is really there.

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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 10:55

HEARING ABANDONED TODAY

Oh heck, a wasted journey for G McCann today........




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#madeleine Today's hearing abandoned because Mr Amaral's lawyer's son is ill.

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Post by plebgate on 27.09.13 10:58

Oh sorry to hear that news. Hope it isn't serious.





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Post by ShuBob on 27.09.13 11:02

candyfloss wrote:HEARING ABANDONED TODAY

Oh heck, a wasted journey for G McCann today........




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#madeleine Today's hearing abandoned because Mr Amaral's lawyer's son is ill.
Oh dear!


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Post by ShuBob on 27.09.13 11:05

Will Gerry give a statement outside court I wonder? Poor Aunty Trish. Twice in a row she's not been able to testify.

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Post by plebgate on 27.09.13 11:07

Just thinking, wonder when it will re-start?

If it's in a week or two, the judge might allow Mr. & Mrs. to give evidence as the late application rules (10 days notification) will no longer prevent them doing so?

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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 11:17

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#madeleine Outside court Mr McCann said: "I want to give evidence. Kate and I know better than anyone what we've experienced."

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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 11:18

martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 1m
#madeleine Gerry McCann: "Damage has been caused to the search for Madeleine."

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Post by margaret on 27.09.13 11:23

candyfloss wrote:martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 1m
#madeleine Outside court Mr McCann said: "I want to give evidence. Kate and I know better than anyone what we've experienced."
That's right Gerry, which begs the question why didn't you and Kate put yourselves down as a witness from day 1!

Don't answer we know it was for headlines and a chance to bash the Portuguese again. spin 

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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.09.13 11:24

candyfloss wrote:martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 1m
#madeleine Outside court Mr McCann said: "I want to give evidence. Kate and I know better than anyone what we've experienced."
In other words, 'it was a fat lot of use relying on the likes of Susan Hubbard, Michael Wright and Alan Pike'!

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Post by aiyoyo on 27.09.13 11:24

BREAKING NEWS

Just heard Gerry arrived in Lisbon to give evidence, both barrels blazing, saying "he's there for Madeleine and Justice" but trial is postponed.......

Oh, dearie me, his blood must be boiling...

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Post by aiyoyo on 27.09.13 11:26

@Tony Bennett wrote:
candyfloss wrote:martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 1m
#madeleine Outside court Mr McCann said: "I want to give evidence. Kate and I know better than anyone what we've experienced."
 In other words, 'it was a fat lot of use relying on the likes of Susan Hubbard, Michael Wright and Alan Pike'!
Sign of desperation, not good sign for them at all.

All those hearsayers were just waste of Court's time.

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Post by aiyoyo on 27.09.13 11:28

@margaret wrote:
candyfloss wrote:martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 1m
#madeleine Outside court Mr McCann said: "I want to give evidence. Kate and I know better than anyone what we've experienced."
That's right Gerry, which begs the question why didn't you and Kate put yourselves down as a witness from day 1!

Don't answer we know it was for headlines and a chance to bash the Portuguese again.  spin 
Inclined to think it's ID change of tactic when she realised the bunch of hearsay witnesses didnt make any impact.

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Post by nobodythereeither on 27.09.13 11:40

Anyone know why the case has been postponed?

Surely not another personal issue for the judge???

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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.09.13 11:40

@aiyoyo wrote:
@margaret wrote:
candyfloss wrote:martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 1m
#madeleine Outside court Mr McCann said: "I want to give evidence. Kate and I know better than anyone what we've experienced."
That's right Gerry, which begs the question why didn't you and Kate put yourselves down as a witness from day 1!

Don't answer we know it was for headlines and a chance to bash the Portuguese again. 
Inclined to think it's ID change of tactic when she realised the bunch of hearsay witnesses didn't make any impact.
But they have made an impact!

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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 11:42

@nobodythereeither wrote:Anyone know why the case has been postponed?

Surely not another personal issue for the judge???
I put it up nearly an hour ago.........


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Post by aiyoyo on 27.09.13 11:44

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@margaret wrote:
candyfloss wrote:martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 1m
#madeleine Outside court Mr McCann said: "I want to give evidence. Kate and I know better than anyone what we've experienced."
That's right Gerry, which begs the question why didn't you and Kate put yourselves down as a witness from day 1!

Don't answer we know it was for headlines and a chance to bash the Portuguese again. 
Inclined to think it's ID change of tactic when she realised the bunch of hearsay witnesses didn't make any impact.
But they have made an impact!
Not to their favour, not the same!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.09.13 11:46

candyfloss wrote:
@nobodythereeither wrote:Anyone know why the case has been postponed?

Surely not another personal issue for the judge???
I put it up nearly an hour ago.........

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#madeleine Today's hearing abandoned because Mr Amaral's lawyer's son is ill.
Gerry's air fare and expenses will of course be met by THE FUND.

Which presumably has shelled out for all the witnesses' expenses plus Isabel Duarte's fees...

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