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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by pennylane on 26.09.13 14:08

@Cristobell wrote:I hate to think of the trauma that is going on in that family right now and I wish someone from the pro side (or anywhere) would post something to reassure us that they are being protected from all this.  

They may be a tiny bit too young to know what is going on, and it is unlikely their playmates would either, I would be more concerned about the secrets and the whispering and the subjects that see them sent to their room.  The unknown is more terrifying than the known. I expect few of us escaped hearing our parents argue downstairs as we pretended to be asleep in our beds.  Small rows and big rows are scary for small children.
I totally agree Cristobel, there must be enormous trauma within the family.  Additionally, in light of the information emerging from the Libel Trial regarding Kate's fragile state of mind, this alarming admission brings further potential hazards to the remaining children's safety.   A suicidal parent can be dangerously irrational where the children are concerned, and Social Services owe it to the twins to keep a sharp eye on them and their mother; and of course their father too... particularly in light of the Gaspar statements, and Maddie's fate not being solved!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 26.09.13 14:12

Libel trial Day 4.

Maria Isabel Stilwell (Writer and Newspaper Editor) evidence.

A jornalista e escritora Isabel Stilwell está de regresso aos livros e de novo com um romance histórico. A writer of historical romance novels.

"Gerry looked into her smouldering eyes, lit by the shimmering moonlight, as she asked 'you do love me, don't you?'
Gerry whispered into her pearl like ' if you had much bigger breasts, and were two stone heavier, there'd be more of you to love'
She swooned."

Mentioned here, in her journalistic capacity:
http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Stilwell_-_Fair_World..html

Final witness to date, Report later today.

2) The last session is now the 19th of November.

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Post by Guest on 26.09.13 14:17

According to the MM site, she writes historical fiction - it can't be any worse than Kate's novel, can it? 

Another witness as useful as a chocolate teapot by the sound of things.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 26.09.13 14:26

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:According to the MM site, she writes historical fiction - it can't be any worse than Kate's novel, can it? 

Another witness as useful as a chocolate teapot by the sound of things.
Oh dear hope she dosen't REPEAT what she has said before within earshot of the Mrs!
Stilwell:
"Which means that us, who don't leave our children alone, can sleep in peace, and not think about it any further!”
Stilwell:-
“The second one is related to the role, that former PJ investigator Gonçalo Amaral has been playing.

"It sincerely shocks me that both the Republic’s prosecutor and the PJ director keep their silence, while a former officer, who was removed from the case, makes absolute accusations, almost as if he was the Portuguese police’s spokesman.”

Stilwell:
Even presuming that THEY (mcCanns) are people without scruples, complusive liars, and other epithets that they have been called, without those who accuse them being able to sustain the accusations, we have to agree that even for criminals that would be taking things too far.”

Oh dear!

Sounds like a very loose cannon to me!

She'd better be very, very careful about saying that GA, in her view, has said 'Madeleine was murdered"

Nobody, but nobody has ever said that, especially Mr GA.

She could find herself in the witness box trying to DEFEND herself in a libel case!

NEXT!

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Post by Seek truth on 26.09.13 14:54

The loser will be blowing their nose, boo HOO HOO .

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Post by sallypelt on 26.09.13 15:37

candyfloss wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
@marconi wrote:maybe she did not want to call the attention to her presence at that happening. Maybe she is known as Dr. Healy at the hospital. Maybe she wants to be more privet.
If so, it would be the first time that she has ever tried to keep out of the limelight. Quite possibly she was known as Healy professionally but of course she no longer works as a GP for which the world is very thankful.

The scheduled hearing dates are tomorrow, 2nd and 8th October with the verdict expected on the appropriate date 5th November - rockets up dodgy backsides day!!
This is what I don't understand, if there are only 2 days left, then that means that the McCanns had 4 days of witness testimony, and even now maybe some more to be heard?  So where does that leave the other defendants, surely they all have witnesses, are only one lot appearing for all of them ?  Still can't be fair though if they only have this remaining 2 days.
Just to clear a few things up regarding witnesses. As you probably know, the defendant doesn't have to say anything. He/she doesn't even need to take the stand. In this case, Amaral may just let his defence lawyer question the prosecution witnesses, and leave it at that. I have seen so many cases where the prosecution AND the defence have called many witnesses, but this can be counter-productive. Very often, less is more. I will not be surprised if Amaral doesn't call anyone. So, don't be disheartened, it's not a bad thing if Amaral decides not to call any witnesses.

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by plebgate on 26.09.13 15:40

[quote="plebgate"]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490415/Row-McCanns-use-1million-Madeleine-fund-pay-mortgage.html

Snipped from the article -

His return has been approved by the General Medical Council, which regulates the medical profession, but a senior heart specialist warned last night that it could put patients' lives at risk.

The consultant, who did not wish to be named, asked: "How will he be able to concentrate on his work with his daughter missing? It is a high-pressure job and you have to make difficult decisions.

"I can tell you from personal experience that if your mind is not totally on it, it is hard.

"If he is going to be doing procedures where you have to totally focus, the only way you can do it is compartmentalise and if you can't do it, it could be very difficult. He could break down and make a mistake."

The group Patient Concern said Mr McCann should be monitored for at least three months and the public should be able to choose not to be treated by him.

Director Roger Goss said: "It's a good idea he is allowed back, but he should be monitored to ensure he is all right.

"Patients should be allowed the option of not being treated by him while the case has such a high profile. I know it sounds discriminatory but it is not unreasonable."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490415/Row-McCanns-use-1million-Madeleine-fund-pay-mortgage.html#ixzz2g0fHFesp
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I wonder what the health chiefs think of the claims in his writ?




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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by marconi on 26.09.13 17:32

I can't think of having Gerry as consultant cardiologist, operating me! Things are much worse now, having the Yard involving in it.
That last photo of both, on the death anniversary, was terrible.
He is destroyed.
Come on, Gerry, this will cost your health.  Tell the truth!

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by Guest on 26.09.13 17:53

Consultants don't actually operate - thank goodness in the case of Gerry!

It would take a great deal of courage to come clean now and I don't believe that either he or Kate possesses that particular quality.

That picture in May 2013 certainly was a surprise in view of all the other times when they haven't been able to keep straight faces.

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Post by russiandoll on 26.09.13 17:59

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Consultants don't actually operate - thank goodness in the case of Gerry!

It would take a great deal of courage to come clean now and I don't believe that either he or Kate possesses that particular quality.

That picture in May 2013 certainly was a surprise in view of all the other times when they haven't been able to keep straight faces.
  I have had 2 consultants operate on me....they were consultant surgeons. Gerry is a consultant physician, the leader of his team but not involved in heart surgery.

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by Monty Heck on 26.09.13 18:00

@Angelique wrote:Monty Heck

Firstly I must applaud your recent posts - they have been very true.

In your last your said quite rightly:

 "Did they think about how they would feel when they, already left at home without their mother, walk into their local newsagent or supermarket and see the rows of tabloid headlines about her wanting to kill herself? Did they visualise how they would have felt seeing their mother's face and those stories in every newspaper when they were 8 years of age?  Did they visualise them having to face classmates and teacher knowing they had seen things like this written about their mother? " 

But if we accept that the children have been told that newspapers make things up it is just possible that they will be told that this is the case with the recent headlines.
Good point and they may well have been, but even if told newspapers tell lies there's no guarantee children of that age would be able to process that when actually confronted by this kind of lurid headline.  So even then they would still be running the risk of their children being tremendously upset by what is being said in this trial (by their parents' side, no less).  Meanwhile they are in Lisbon proclaiming to the world that their children might one day stumble across GA's book which would be psychologically damaging, the perversity of which seems to escape them completely.  Interesting to know whether Alan Pike has any concerns for the children's psychological welfare resulting from the publicity generated by the parents, or does his interest extend no further than damage that might, some day in the future, or perhaps not, come from what someone outside the family has written.

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Post by Guest on 26.09.13 18:32

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@sar wrote:Still no pics from charity run?  Missed opportunity to wear t-shirt with picture on front
Probably couldn't get near her, due to the cabal of Special Branch officers/ Special Elite McCann Cops 'surrounding' her, protecting their prized 'asset' from hearing or seeing anything 'nasty' from possible onlooking 'trolls'!

Prized 'ASSET': worth  £6,228 of taxpayers money a DAY to them!
In fact, a David Edgar also ran, nr 104, coming in 6 mins after KH

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Post by lj on 26.09.13 18:40

@suzyjohnson wrote:The situation regarding the twins and what they will be able to read on the internet has IMO been made about 10 times worse with the latest libel trial, because the twins year group would all have been toddlers when MM disappeared and consequently know next to nothing about the case. Now, with the most recent headlines, any of them could start looking the case up. 

I presume the McCanns wanted the case heard in open court because they wanted sympathetic exposure from the British press. I am not sure why Amaral's team asked for a closed courtroom, however I wonder whether they have been exceptionally clever here?

By asking for a closed hearing, his team have in effect pushed the McCanns to insist on an open court. Now no one can say that this wasn't the McCanns decision, and so the consequences of that decision are entirely the McCanns.    

From here Amaral's side could rightly claim that the McCanns have brought all the latest publicity upon themselves. So, really, it counters everything the McCanns witnesses could say about the effect on the twins doesn't it?
It shows that not only are ready to throw family and friends under the bus, but also the 2 remaining children. Their constant need to be in the news has done more harm to the twins than Dr. Amaral ever could.

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Post by ShuBob on 26.09.13 19:05

@marconi wrote:
I can't think of having Gerry as consultant cardiologist, operating me! Things are much worse now, having the Yard involving in it.
That last photo of both, on the death anniversary, was terrible.
He is destroyed.
Come on, Gerry, this will cost your health.  Tell the truth!
He just might if he takes the stand tomorrow pray 

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Post by Ollie1 on 26.09.13 19:31

Why would GM start telling the truth now...both GM and KM lied under oath at the Leveson Enquiry and there was no money to be made from it.  They are after all the money they can get from GA now, over a million Euros, IMO the McCanns would think it was worth telling a few lies (and more) if it gets them the money.

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