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Post by Guest 20.09.13 12:37

sallypelt wrote:If I was in KM's position, and my child had GENUINELY disappeared, and had been abducted by persons unknown, as claimed by KM, I would be BEGGING the PJ to do a reconstruction with my 100% support. I would answer ANY question they put to me, and regardless of how close my friends were, I would have SOME suspicion of those who  had "looked in" on the children, on their "checks". 

There are two casualties in this whole sorry saga, and those are Madeleine McCann and TRUTH
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The twins are also casualties. 


They have grown up with survivors guilt and the knowledge that there are monsters who will steal you from your bed.


They have just found out that their mother felt suicidal.


In the future, they have their mother's drinking, sex life and fantasies about their sister's genitals to look forward to.


How can the poor souls possibly hope to have a normal life sad
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Post by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 12:39

CP – Were you surprised about the McCann couple’s commitment to remove your book about the case, from the market?

GA – The timing of the injunction was surprising. I remind you of the fact that in August of 2008, the couple STATED that my book was INNOCUOUS that it brought nothing new and that they weren't thinking about suing ANYONE. It is legitimate to ask why they did it one year later, when the book wasn’t selling anymore.

GA – The child’s parents talk about pseudo leads, that are always related to the abduction theory. I remind you that they “demanded” the archiving of the process, in 2008, when they were arguidos, merely to defend their image. They are not interested in the reopening of the process or of the investigation, where all hypotheses remain open, from a voluntary disappearance up to homicide, like the Public Ministry mentions in the archiving dispatch. They are ONLY interested in the defence of their image.
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Post by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 12:43

Does anyone know if the new 'round' of witnesses has uttered either of the 'A' words, 'abducted or abduction'?

Useful to see that the judge must have rejected the McCanns witnesses claim to be able to submit their evidence in 'writing' imo.

The judge wants to see 'the whites of their eyes', and all that!

"you'll never crack me"

"OK, it wuz cuddle cat wot dun it!"
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Post by tigger 20.09.13 12:50

Poe wrote:
sallypelt wrote:If I was in KM's position, and my child had GENUINELY disappeared, and had been abducted by persons unknown, as claimed by KM, I would be BEGGING the PJ to do a reconstruction with my 100% support. I would answer ANY question they put to me, and regardless of how close my friends were, I would have SOME suspicion of those who  had "looked in" on the children, on their "checks". 

There are two casualties in this whole sorry saga, and those are Madeleine McCann and TRUTH
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I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against. Malcolm X
The twins are also casualties. 


They have grown up with survivors guilt and the knowledge that there are monsters who will steal you from your bed.


They have just found out that their mother felt suicidal.


In the future, they have their mother's drinking, sex life and fantasies about their sister's genitals to look forward to.


How can the poor souls possibly hope to have a normal life sad
Not just suicidal (and didn't that make nice headlines - was it worth foregoing the private hearing?) but including all the family in this desire  'to be all together - wherever.' Wherever that is (on would suppose it to be purgatory) the main thing about this proposal is that they would join Maddie, who we cannot place with the suicide pact so in effect this means Maddie already is 'wherever'.

Just as a reminder, because this is all about Kate and her suffering - when they heard about Amaral's book, they issued a statement that they would write a book themselves about 'Our year of Hell'.
Not Maddie's year of Hell in the clutches of a paedophile but the suffering parents.
As we all know it ended up as a book 'madeleine' - lower case lettering. More photographs of Kate than of Maddie, not a single photograph of Maddie in PdL and not a whisper about her coloboma, the girl with the thunderbolt eye.
Kate's concerns about her showing joy are also curious. Surely the trauma councillors (you stupid boy...) would eventually have taught her that the twins rates a smile or two?
".... is this what my life would be from now on? I could never be joyful again in public without guilt overwhelming me"  (from the book)I find the in public part strange, what does where you are change about your feelings towards your missing daughter?

Then there is Gerry's wonderful take on the disappearance of Maddie 'it could have been worse, they could have taken all three'. (Vanity Fair interview September 07)
What can one say? Well done there, Dr. McCann.
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Post by sharonl 20.09.13 12:51

Woofer wrote:Is there a list of all the people that got involved or were called over to PdL soon after Maddie went missing?

Be interesting to see how it compares to when Ben Needham went missing.
The Madeleine Foundation published a list of some of those who were called out to Praia da Luz in the early days (see below).

However, I suggest it is incomplete. There are a number of indications that staff from the following branches of government secuirty services may also have been in Praia da Luz that week:

MI5
MI6
Special Branch

There was also reference to 'criminal profilers' being involved, indeed Goncalo Amaral refers to them in his book as having built up a likely profile of the abductor. They later pronounced Murat as fitting the profile of the man who took Madeleine by as much as 90%. Shortly afterwards, Tanner said she was 'adamant' that Murat was the man she'd seen at 9.15pm on 3rd May. And so Murat became the first arguido.

Undoubtedly much has been hidden about the involvement of government securituy services from the 'get-go'.

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PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ

Alex Woolfall

Came out almost immediately, Head of Crisis Management at Bell Pottinger. In other words, one of the top dogs at one of the nation's top media manipulation, sorry, public relations firms

Clarence Mitchell

Head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit at the time, whose job he boasted was 'to control what come sout in the media'. Came out in May, and has been the McCanns' chief public relations adviser ever since. No doubt he would have been involved in government decision-making about the case from Day One - indeed he boasted that before coming to Praia da Luz he had persuaded Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor to arrange for the McCanns to meet the Pope

David Hopkins, Managing Director of Mark Warners

(see below under CCP heading)

Three (?) police officers from Leicestershire Police

Including Superintendent/Commander Bob Small, who advised Jane Tanner on 13 May shortly before she adamantly identified Robert Murat as the abductor she''d seen 10 days earlier

British Embassy and Consular Officials

Control Risks Group

Two men from CRG had discussions with the McCanns and were certrainly there within days, despite Dr Gerald McCann saying in late May to a TV interviewer that they had no plans to employ private investigators. They were Kenneth Farrow and Michael Keenan. Mr Farrow is the ex-head of the Economic Crime Unit in the City of London Police and Mr Keenan an ex-Superintendent from the Metropolitan Police with specialist fraud and investigative experience. On 25 May 2007, just 22 days after Madeleine was reported missing, in a BBC interview with Jane Hill, the McCanns were asked if, now that they had already netted £300,000 in their ‘No Stone Unturned’ fund, they would use any of that money for private investigators. Dr Gerry McCann responded: “The advice we have received is that private investigations will not help at the moment”. Despite this clear claim, a private investigation agency known as Control Risks Group announced in September that they had been helping the McCanns since May and ‘were in regular contact’ with them throughout. Iin the early afternoon of Sunday 13 May 2007, Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns’ friends and the person who says she saw an abductor, spoke to ‘some of the people that Kate and Gerry brought in’. She was referring to Control Risks Group. Who brought them in and who agreed to pay for them? Why were Control Risks Group brought in so soon? To help find a missing child? Or for other reasons?

Foreign and Commonwealth Office staff

Sheree Dodd? - or were there others?

Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP)

(See earlier post a short way up this thread)
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Post by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 12:55

Suicide is a CARDINAL 'sin' to devout Catholics, isn't it?
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Post by tasprin 20.09.13 12:57

Woofer wrote:This must be doing untold damage to Gerry`s career.  Will he have any clients left?
His suffering has not been mentioned during this trial for that very reason. Nobody wants to be treated by a cardiologist who has a wish to press a button and make everyone "gone"?
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Post by PeterMac 20.09.13 13:03

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/historic-registry.html
This post is about Anne Guedes’ transcriptions of the Libel Trial McCann v Gonçalo Amaral, Days 1 and 2.

Firstly, we would like to send our most heartfelt thank you to Anne for her hard and altruistic work.

We would like to leave here a registry for posterity of these transcriptions, for two reasons.
The first and most evident is the content. It speaks for itself and should be readily available to all who want to access it from now on.
The second, less obvious, is because of the fact that Anne’s transcriptions are themselves also historic in one other way.
They are proof of one fundamental point in an event of major relevance: the media, that various interests’ paid parrots, was surpassed by a single person and the echo of her work in what is the most important information platform: the internet.
In this particular case, Anne Guedes not only has rendered the media useless as she has foiled its tactic of keeping the issue as low-profile as possible and the general population as equally uninformed and misinformed.
People are, individually, more and more finding information from different sources, which includes the mainstream media referred to, and are starting, more and more, to dislike being treated as ignorant.
Once it finally realizes this fact, that same media might will also realize that if they return to truthful reporting they may continue to guarantee their survival in this ever evolving world.
We can only say we can't endorse the transcripts as a totally accurate record as we were not present at the trial, but we are grateful that someone did take the time and effort to provide this information, as no mainstream media has done so.
Martin Brunt abruptly stopped tweeting.
It doesn't mention tears, giving straight facts, which is what one expects in a transcript.
The accounts we read in the press may differ or add details not included here, but we have learned just how the media, especially in the UK, report on this case, with spin, lies or both.
The evidence is now recorded by the Court and Mr Amaral and the various defense lawyers know what was said. We will eventually hear a full account.
Here are the transcripts:
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Post by Woofer 20.09.13 13:06

sharonl wrote:
Woofer wrote:Is there a list of all the people that got involved or were called over to PdL soon after Maddie went missing?

Be interesting to see how it compares to when Ben Needham went missing.
 The Madeleine Foundation published a list of some of those who were called out to Praia da Luz in the early days (see below).

However, I suggest it is incomplete. There are a number of indications that staff from the following branches of government secuirty services may also have been in Praia da Luz that week:

MI5
MI6
Special Branch

There was also reference to 'criminal profilers' being involved, indeed Goncalo Amaral refers to them in his book as having built up a likely profile of the abductor. They later pronounced Murat as fitting the profile of the man who took Madeleine by as much as 90%. Shortly afterwards, Tanner said she was 'adamant' that Murat was the man she'd seen at 9.15pm on 3rd May. And so Murat became the first arguido.

Undoubtedly much has been hidden about the involvement of government securituy services from the 'get-go'.

____________________________________________________

PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ

Alex Woolfall

Came out almost immediately, Head of Crisis Management at Bell Pottinger. In other words, one of the top dogs at one of the nation's top media manipulation, sorry, public relations firms

Clarence Mitchell

Head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit at the time, whose job he boasted was 'to control what come sout in the media'. Came out in May, and has been the McCanns' chief public relations adviser ever since. No doubt he would have been involved in government decision-making about the case from Day One - indeed he boasted that before coming to Praia da Luz he had persuaded Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor to arrange for the McCanns to meet the Pope

David Hopkins, Managing Director of Mark Warners

(see below under CCP heading)

Three (?) police officers from Leicestershire Police

Including Superintendent/Commander Bob Small, who advised Jane Tanner on 13 May shortly before she adamantly identified Robert Murat as the abductor she''d seen 10 days earlier

British Embassy and Consular Officials

Control Risks Group

Two men from CRG had discussions with the McCanns and were certrainly there within days, despite Dr Gerald McCann saying in late May to a TV interviewer that they had no plans to employ private investigators. They were Kenneth Farrow and Michael Keenan. Mr Farrow is the ex-head of the Economic Crime Unit in the City of London Police and Mr Keenan an ex-Superintendent from the Metropolitan Police with specialist fraud and investigative experience. On 25 May 2007, just 22 days after Madeleine was reported missing, in a BBC interview with Jane Hill, the McCanns were asked if, now that they had already netted £300,000 in their ‘No Stone Unturned’ fund, they would use any of that money for private investigators. Dr Gerry McCann responded: “The advice we have received is that private investigations will not help at the moment”. Despite this clear claim, a private investigation agency known as Control Risks Group announced in September that they had been helping the McCanns since May and ‘were in regular contact’ with them throughout. Iin the early afternoon of Sunday 13 May 2007, Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns’ friends and the person who says she saw an abductor, spoke to ‘some of the people that Kate and Gerry brought in’. She was referring to Control Risks Group. Who brought them in and who agreed to pay for them? Why were Control Risks Group brought in so soon? To help find a missing child? Or for other reasons?

Foreign and Commonwealth Office staff

Sheree Dodd? - or were there others?

Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP)

(See earlier post a short way up this thread)
Thanks Sharoni - Now this is the sort of thing that would get the general public`s ears pricked up.  I hope some brave journalist does a comparison to Kerry Needham`s plight.

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Post by Penfold 20.09.13 13:07

jeanmonroe wrote:Suicide is a CARDINAL 'sin' to devout Catholics, isn't it?
 I was taught that it was a mortal sin, and the most deadly, as it is the only one that cannot be repented.

Catholic Church may however have altered its stance in the 50 odd years since I was told that!
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Post by Guest 20.09.13 13:22

tigger wrote:
".... is this what my life would be from now on? I could never be joyful again in public without guilt overwhelming me"  (from the book)I find the in public part strange, what does where you are change about your feelings towards your missing daughter?
It's all about image:

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Post by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 13:22

Penfold wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:Suicide is a CARDINAL 'sin' to devout Catholics, isn't it?
 I was taught that it was a mortal sin, and the most deadly, as it is the only one that cannot be repented.

Catholic Church may however have altered its stance in the 50 odd years since I was told that!
I don't know nuffing! lol.
However i just ran up this.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) defines these sins as grave matter:
Defrauding ('FUND'?)
Envy (say no more!)
Extreme Anger (at the level of truly and deliberately desiring to seriously hurt or kill someone) (watch out GA and Mr RM 'I felt like killing M***t')
False Allegations (take your pick!)
Ingratitude (all those BRILLIANT, SELFLESS, Portuguese people that actually 'searched' for DAYS and WEEKS, whilst 'others' didn't)
Lying (the gravity is measured by "the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims") (no comment needed)
Perjury and False Oaths (ooppps!)
SUICIDE (or even pretendy FAKE suicidal 'tendancies')
Only one of this sins—suicide—cannot be healed by repentance no matter how many 'abductors' you 'forgive' and every one of them slays the soul and makes the soul incapable of eternal bliss, until he/she cleans himself/herself with due repentance.
The act of killing oneself, suicide, is indeed a mortal sin, punishable by eternal separation from the Lord. It is even specified in the Ten Commandments.

Don't know if any of the above relates in any way to 'somebody' we all might know.
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Post by Guest 20.09.13 13:28

Nice find JM.

At this rate, Kate will be reciting Hail Marys in penance well into the next decade!
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Post by tasprin 20.09.13 13:38

sharonl wrote:
Woofer wrote:Is there a list of all the people that got involved or were called over to PdL soon after Maddie went missing?

Be interesting to see how it compares to when Ben Needham went missing.
 The Madeleine Foundation published a list of some of those who were called out to Praia da Luz in the early days (see below).

However, I suggest it is incomplete. There are a number of indications that staff from the following branches of government secuirty services may also have been in Praia da Luz that week:

MI5
MI6
Special Branch

There was also reference to 'criminal profilers' being involved, indeed Goncalo Amaral refers to them in his book as having built up a likely profile of the abductor. They later pronounced Murat as fitting the profile of the man who took Madeleine by as much as 90%. Shortly afterwards, Tanner said she was 'adamant' that Murat was the man she'd seen at 9.15pm on 3rd May. And so Murat became the first arguido.

Undoubtedly much has been hidden about the involvement of government securituy services from the 'get-go'.

____________________________________________________

PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ

Alex Woolfall

Came out almost immediately, Head of Crisis Management at Bell Pottinger. In other words, one of the top dogs at one of the nation's top media manipulation, sorry, public relations firms

Clarence Mitchell

Head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit at the time, whose job he boasted was 'to control what come sout in the media'. Came out in May, and has been the McCanns' chief public relations adviser ever since. No doubt he would have been involved in government decision-making about the case from Day One - indeed he boasted that before coming to Praia da Luz he had persuaded Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor to arrange for the McCanns to meet the Pope

David Hopkins, Managing Director of Mark Warners

(see below under CCP heading)

Three (?) police officers from Leicestershire Police

Including Superintendent/Commander Bob Small, who advised Jane Tanner on 13 May shortly before she adamantly identified Robert Murat as the abductor she''d seen 10 days earlier

British Embassy and Consular Officials

Control Risks Group

Two men from CRG had discussions with the McCanns and were certrainly there within days, despite Dr Gerald McCann saying in late May to a TV interviewer that they had no plans to employ private investigators. They were Kenneth Farrow and Michael Keenan. Mr Farrow is the ex-head of the Economic Crime Unit in the City of London Police and Mr Keenan an ex-Superintendent from the Metropolitan Police with specialist fraud and investigative experience. On 25 May 2007, just 22 days after Madeleine was reported missing, in a BBC interview with Jane Hill, the McCanns were asked if, now that they had already netted £300,000 in their ‘No Stone Unturned’ fund, they would use any of that money for private investigators. Dr Gerry McCann responded: “The advice we have received is that private investigations will not help at the moment”. Despite this clear claim, a private investigation agency known as Control Risks Group announced in September that they had been helping the McCanns since May and ‘were in regular contact’ with them throughout. Iin the early afternoon of Sunday 13 May 2007, Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns’ friends and the person who says she saw an abductor, spoke to ‘some of the people that Kate and Gerry brought in’. She was referring to Control Risks Group. Who brought them in and who agreed to pay for them? Why were Control Risks Group brought in so soon? To help find a missing child? Or for other reasons?

Foreign and Commonwealth Office staff

Sheree Dodd? - or were there others?

Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP)

(See earlier post a short way up this thread)

CEOP

(http://www.mccannfiles.com/id354.html)

Highly respected forensic psychologist Dr Joe Sullivan arrived in Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's disappearance as part of a so-called 'Cracker' team, with Detective Chief Superintendent Graham Hill. He returned to the UK on 09 May 2007. He later helped in the production of, and personally narrated, the 'A Minute for Madeleine' campaign video; an appeal directly to the person keeping a 'secret' about Madeleine, 'who knows who's involved in her disappearance' and who may have been groomed by the perpetrator(s) to stay quiet. In January 2010, he shared a stage with Gerry McCann at the CEOP conference entitled: 'Taken: Sexually-motivated child abductions' - an event for law enforcement officers only. Gerry McCann, who according to the published agenda was due to deliver the closing speech, actually spoke earlier in the day and is then rumoured to have left (unconfirmed). Thus he would have missed the keynote speeches of both Dr Joe Sullivan and Detective Chief Superintendent Graham Hill, not to mention the closing question and answer session for all speakers.

PCC

During the Leveson Inquiry Sir Christopher Meyer stated that the PCC was made available to the McCanns within 48 hours of Madeleine's disappearance. Meyer said the McCanns chose not to follow advice by lodging a formal complaint with the PCC, about press coverage of the case, instead they decided to wait until 2008 before pursuing Express newspapers for a large pay-out
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Post by marconi 20.09.13 13:43

I fear that I start sounding like Duarte Levy.
My excuses for informing incorrectly.
Kate did not say BANG!.
I must hae mixed  it up with something else. But she  said she wished that something would happen, they would be all gone, they would again be all together.
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Post by tasprin 20.09.13 13:48

russiandoll wrote:re Alan Pike , can't c&p at the moment for some reason.

1. Kate calls him a trauma psychologist in her book.

2. Another member here described him with words suggesting that he "belonged" to MW. Like Alex Woolfall,  it seems that he was brought to Portugal by MW in the aftermath of the tragedy. I gather from reading about Mr Pike that he is self-employed .

3. I am bewildered: while some of his testimony is about his observations, some of his evidence appears to be descriptions from others about Kate, a lot I would imagine from Kate herself, while some appears to be words lifted directly from Kate's book. I understand tweeting is not the medium for elaborating on whether Pike told the court that Kate wrote about these times and used words and phrases such as   a,b,c.....I would have expected a full report in the newspapers. What I see there also appears to be taken directly from the book. I thought he would be asked for direct observations of her behaviour and mental state. He has added to these with irrelevant hearsay as far as I can tell.
 I can believe Kate felt suicidal at times but trying to assess how the book contributed to this is an impossible task imo when you take into account the clear start point of her losing her child. Secondary trauma I understand, but Pike said COULD have a stronger impact than the initial trauma. How can this be assessed for sure?

 I can't understand Pike using Kate's words without telling the court that these were her words. He might have done so, I am wondering how accurate the reporting is on Pike's evidence.
Yes, much of Alan Pikes testimony seems to be lifted straight from Kate McCann's book. He must have read and digested it in time for the hearing. Pike comes from Skipton as does Kate McCann's Cousin, Michael Wright, who is also giving evidence, perhaps they know each other.
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Post by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 13:51

Pike comes from Skipton as does Kate McCann's Cousin, Michael Wright,

You think? big grin big grin big grin big grin 
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Post by tasprin 20.09.13 13:54

jeanmonroe wrote:Pike comes from Skipton as does Kate McCann's Cousin, Michael Wright,

You think? big grin big grin big grin big grin 
Have I got that wrong?
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Post by Newintown 20.09.13 13:58

PeterMac wrote:http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/historic-registry.html
This post is about Anne Guedes’ transcriptions of the Libel Trial McCann v Gonçalo Amaral, Days 1 and 2.

Firstly, we would like to send our most heartfelt thank you to Anne for her hard and altruistic work.

We would like to leave here a registry for posterity of these transcriptions, for two reasons.
The first and most evident is the content. It speaks for itself and should be readily available to all who want to access it from now on.
The second, less obvious, is because of the fact that Anne’s transcriptions are themselves also historic in one other way.
They are proof of one fundamental point in an event of major relevance: the media, that various interests’ paid parrots, was surpassed by a single person and the echo of her work in what is the most important information platform: the internet.
In this particular case, Anne Guedes not only has rendered the media useless as she has foiled its tactic of keeping the issue as low-profile as possible and the general population as equally uninformed and misinformed.
People are, individually, more and more finding information from different sources, which includes the mainstream media referred to, and are starting, more and more, to dislike being treated as ignorant.
Once it finally realizes this fact, that same media might will also realize that if they return to truthful reporting they may continue to guarantee their survival in this ever evolving world.
We can only say we can't endorse the transcripts as a totally accurate record as we were not present at the trial, but we are grateful that someone did take the time and effort to provide this information, as no mainstream media has done so.
Martin Brunt abruptly stopped tweeting.
It doesn't mention tears, giving straight facts, which is what one expects in a transcript.
The accounts we read in the press may differ or add details not included here, but we have learned just how the media, especially in the UK, report on this case, with spin, lies or both.
The evidence is now recorded by the Court and Mr Amaral and the various defense lawyers know what was said. We will eventually hear a full account.
Here are the transcripts:
Thank you PeterMac for pointing us all to the transcripts, a very interesting read; so many holes in the witness statements, too many to mention.  yes    I hope the Judge doesn't overlook them on her final summing up.

I'm looking forward to the next round.

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Post by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 14:00

WE COULDN'T MAKE IT UP,  BUT THE DAILY MAIL DID!
Around 120,000 copies of the book were sold before it was withdrawn when the McCanns won an injection against him.

"McCanns won AN INJECTION against him"

I suppose the 'medics' in the McCann holiday 'gang' will be ringing CR as we type!

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Post by Newintown 20.09.13 14:01

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russiandoll wrote:re Alan Pike , can't c&p at the moment for some reason.

1. Kate calls him a trauma psychologist in her book.

2. Another member here described him with words suggesting that he "belonged" to MW. Like Alex Woolfall,  it seems that he was brought to Portugal by MW in the aftermath of the tragedy. I gather from reading about Mr Pike that he is self-employed .

3. I am bewildered: while some of his testimony is about his observations, some of his evidence appears to be descriptions from others about Kate, a lot I would imagine from Kate herself, while some appears to be words lifted directly from Kate's book. I understand tweeting is not the medium for elaborating on whether Pike told the court that Kate wrote about these times and used words and phrases such as   a,b,c.....I would have expected a full report in the newspapers. What I see there also appears to be taken directly from the book. I thought he would be asked for direct observations of her behaviour and mental state. He has added to these with irrelevant hearsay as far as I can tell.
 I can believe Kate felt suicidal at times but trying to assess how the book contributed to this is an impossible task imo when you take into account the clear start point of her losing her child. Secondary trauma I understand, but Pike said COULD have a stronger impact than the initial trauma. How can this be assessed for sure?

 I can't understand Pike using Kate's words without telling the court that these were her words. He might have done so, I am wondering how accurate the reporting is on Pike's evidence.
Yes, much of Alan Pikes testimony seems to be lifted straight from Kate McCann's book. He must have read and digested it in time for the hearing. Pike comes from Skipton as does Kate McCann's Cousin, Michael Wright, who is also giving evidence, perhaps they know each other.
I did read on another website that Pike was asked 3 times in the court what his profession was, I wonder why that was.  Could it be he didn't know himself? smilie

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Post by Nereid 20.09.13 14:22

jeanmonroe wrote:WE COULDN'T MAKE IT UP,  BUT THE DAILY MAIL DID!
Around 120,000 copies of the book were sold before it was withdrawn when the McCanns won an injection against him.

"McCanns won AN INJECTION against him"

I suppose the 'medics' in the McCann holiday 'gang' will be ringing CR as we type!

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Post by ultimaThule 20.09.13 14:26

Does anyone know if the pantomime trial is ongoing today?  Have the defendants' lawyers asked any questions of Mr Pike such as how many times he's counselled his client and the last date he saw her in his professional capacity excluding any fine dining experience which may have taken place last night on his all expenses paid by those who've donated to the search for Madeleine trip to give his carefully contrive testimony attend the farce trial?

More importantly, have the springs on the trap door been oiled and set so that Dame Ma Healy can pop up from the depths straight into the witness box? 
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Post by lj 20.09.13 14:29

PeterMac wrote:
Ashwarya wrote:Loving the fact that both these contradictory quotes come from the same Telegraph article, the first quoting Alan Pike:

He told the court: "Kate in particular wasn't very well and she shared some dark thoughts with me about not being around anymore.
"She said killing herself was an option to end the trauma she was experiencing. To share that with anyone will often alarm or worry the people they live with so I think I was the only person Kate shared this with."


She wrote: "I had an overwhelming urge to swim out across the ocean, as hard and as fast as I could; to swim and swim and swim until I was so far out and so exhausted I could just allow the water to pull me under and relieve me of this torment.
"I wasn't keeping that desire to myself, either. I was shouting it out to anyone who happened to be in the room. Both this urge and the expression of it were, I suppose, an outlet for the crucifying anguish.
"Somehow, inflicting physical pain on myself seemed to be the only possible way of escaping my internal pain," she wrote in the book published two years ago.



Do they cancel each other out?
No.
It is called a McContradiction
a McParadox
A McOxymoron

Defined as two apparently contradictory statements, which when uttered by a McCann, or an acolyte, are instantly seen to concur with each other.
Example :   Entering by a locked front door AND simultaneously through an unlocked patio door
Curtains drawn tightly close AND simultaneously wide open
Pyjamas bottoms which are pink, and simultaneously white
Hair which is short AND long at the same time
PeterM, you have really enriched the English langugae. I hope you will submit these to the urbandictionary so they will be saved for the next generations.

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Post by jeanmonroe 20.09.13 14:34

ultimaThule wrote:
Does anyone know if the pantomime trial is ongoing today?  Have the defendants' lawyers asked any questions of Mr Pike such as how many times he's counselled his client and the last date he saw her in his professional capacity excluding any fine dining experience which may have taken place last night on his all expenses paid by those who've donated to the search for Madeleine trip to give his carefully contrive testimony attend the farce trial?

More importantly, have the springs on the trap door been oiled and set so that Dame Ma Healy can pop up from the depths straight into the witness box? 
IF anyone, imo, is going to finally fire the fatal cannon shot, below the sinking ships waterline it will be Ma Healy!

The woman is a loose cannon in any sense of the phrase!
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