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Post by plebgate on 16.09.13 13:05

I love the old stories which have come down the years.

The boy who cried wolf is one of my favourites.


Wolf, wolf, wolf.


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Post by Woofer on 16.09.13 13:07

Well one can only come to the conclusion that these witnesses are either extremely naive and gullible people or they`re corrupt themselves.

IMO the `poor me/victim` personality has the most powerful magnetism to suck in the naive and gullible (in women it attracts overly dominant men). KM`s outer mask is a powerful tool for conning the media and public until one realises what lies beneath. Between the two of them its been a powerful combination - her victim aura and his aggressive aura.

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Post by PeterMac on 16.09.13 13:08

@Newintown wrote:
As you say, she probably accepted it without thinking through the consequences and thought it would be easy peasy; however, it it quite scary standing up in a court and having questions thrown at you which you are not expecting, you really have to think hard before answering, you cannot go back an hour or two later and change your mind.
Which is why the McCanns' lawyers will NEVER permit them to go into the witness box.
They won't even permit Gerry to set foot in the country, in case he does one his famous Court Steps interviews and blows the whole thing apart.
MY PREDICTION ?
Kate will say NOTHING to the press. She will have been instructed to be silent.

Put yourself in the place of a lawyer acting for her. What would you do ?
Precisely !

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Post by tiny on 16.09.13 13:19

I wonder if Gerry and kate,s witnesses have realized that they have been used, Gerry and kate will not go on the stand so they bring in this motley crew
to do their bidding,all I can say to these witnesses is YOU HAVE BEEN HAD OVER BY GERRY AND KATE.

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by russiandoll on 16.09.13 13:19

Petermac,  EL also said what I have highlighted in bold below IF WE ARE READING ACCURATE TRANSCRIPTS  :


    "GP - Do you know if the book was published in the UK?
EL - says she saw it in bookshops.

GP - And on the internet?
EL - doesn't know.
She ignored who introduced this book and if it was legal."


"MC - If some people suspect, from where is their conviction formed?

EL - says it is mainly through the internet. GA's book is the first thing that appears on internet  The
people don't know these allegations aren't true according to the criminal investigation.


 Her answer to the 2nd q contradicts her response to the 1st!
  No wonder the judge needed an early dart the next day, if the witnesses heard Friday morning were anything like the previous 2.

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by Penfold on 16.09.13 13:20

@aiyoyo wrote:

What is blatantly noticeably obvious is that none of Kate or Gerry's friends have come forward to support them.  Even the paynes are conspicious by their absent.
Either they did not have close and lasting friends, or they are not believed by their friends.  It seems they couldn not count on their old time friends (if they have any) to vouch for them.

You have to wonder why, as surely they must have if not plenty, then at least some, old time friends/colleagues/workmates or people in their social circle willing to stand up for them, but apparently that is not the case.

Poignantly all the 5 witnesses dragged to Court  to vouch for them are merely associated to the mccanns in their professsional capacity brought about by the circumstances.  None of the 5 have known or heard of the Mccanns if not for Madeleine disappearance.  
 for free. Film making woman may be promised exclusives to more pulp fiction making.  

Who knows.
 I find it so WEIRD that the only people willing to stand as witnesses for them are people who hardly know them.


Repeating what K  said in that book -" I don't have the slightest doubt that if ever we ask friends or relations to do something for us, or need them with us, they will be there like a shot".

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by plebgate on 16.09.13 13:21

You know what I can't understand is why these witnesses do not appear to have asked them - why aren't you going in the witness box?


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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by tasprin on 16.09.13 13:22

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Newintown wrote:
@tiny wrote:I wonder how Emma Loach feels today,knowing that she willingly LIED for the mccanns,also where is Mr Amarals book on sale in England as I would like to buy a copy or two.what a silly woman.
That could be why she left the court upset as she knew she'd said the wrong things and may have damaged the case.

It only takes one witness to make a crass statement and the whole thing could fall apart as happened to me.  A witness for the other side said something unintentionally (they put their foot in mouth) to my barrister and the whole case fell apart after 2 years of legal wrangling.
My education guess is, she may be paid or maybe promised an exclusive for future film.
She accepted it little realising she'll be cross examined by the other parties as well as the Judge.
Obviously some of the questions were too much for her to handle.  She was out of depth.  It is not just a question of coming on to speak your mind then bugger off.

Two witnesses perjured themselves in the process.  
The psychologist shows himself up to be a phoney testifying when he hasn't assessed the twins post the book.  
Ditto the solicitor, testifying of events pre book - useless for the purpose.
SH - room for improvement between the ears, or overly naive.
Yes, imo the promise of an exclusive documentary is highly likely. It would be their version of their heart breaking four-year-long battle with Amaral and how they had to, with heavy heart of course, resort to plundering the fund to achieve victory. For Madeleine's sake, of course.

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by marconi on 16.09.13 13:23

@aiyoyo wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@Angelique wrote:"GP - Do you know if the book was published in the UK?
EL - says she saw it in bookshops."
I am absolutely amazed.
She blatantly lied in Court.
She knows she has - that's why she left upset.
They cannot stop themselves.  Everyone who enters the McCanns' world ends up compromised.
Mitchell.
Tanner
Even Matorell was constrained to make a sworn statement to the High Court for which she admitted she had no "evidence". Mercifully she did admit it, and is thus immune from prosecution for perjury, - Kevin
but this from EL is a blatant untruth - and is provable as such.
It will not have gone unnoticed by GA's lawyers.

Why are they doing it ?
It's the same as Dave Edgar - He commits perjury when he said he worked with Portuguese Police for several years.
That can easily be verified, just by checking with the PJ.

As for the book, it is also provable just by checking with publisher and the distributor of the book.
Depending on Jane Tanner,on EL, on David Edgar...

They are all very happy they were sent home... and Tanner is happy she will not testify.

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Re: LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Post by Guest on 16.09.13 13:24

Are the McCanns suing Stephen Birch, who has told the world through the media that Madeleine is buried under Murat's drive?  Isn't that going to stop people searching for Madeleine?

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Post by plebgate on 16.09.13 13:26

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:' Come off TV, Kate and Gerry, your time is up', Jon Gaunt, The Sun, Friday 2nd 2008.

Jon Gaunt: "I interviewed Emma Loach, the director of this film, on my radio show on Wednesday and she clearly illustrated where her sympathies lay when she told me that she too had left her three-year-old and five-year-old alone in a hotel room while she went off and had dinner."
Good old Gaunty.; thumbsup 

Has Loachy ever asked why they needed to use fund money to make mortgage repayments?

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Post by plebgate on 16.09.13 13:28

candyfloss wrote:Are the McCanns suing Stephen Birch, who has told the world through the media that Madeleine is buried under Murat's drive?  Isn't that going to stop people searching for Madeleine?
These days people may not be so inclined to cave in seeing how Mr. A. has stood his ground. I would hazard a guess they don't want to see another court room for a long time.

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Post by AskTheDogsSandra on 16.09.13 13:31

@plebgate wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Are the McCanns suing Stephen Birch, who has told the world through the media that Madeleine is buried under Murat's drive?  Isn't that going to stop people searching for Madeleine?
These days people may not be so inclined to cave in seeing how Mr. A. has stood his ground.   I would hazard a guess they don't want to see another court room for a long time.
I think it will be Amaral who takes them to court next so it's only a matter of time before they do get to see another court room and will have to give evidence under oath. bomb 

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Post by aiyoyo on 16.09.13 13:36

@Penfold wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:

What is blatantly noticeably obvious is that none of Kate or Gerry's friends have come forward to support them.  Even the paynes are conspicious by their absent.
Either they did not have close and lasting friends, or they are not believed by their friends.  It seems they couldn not count on their old time friends (if they have any) to vouch for them.

You have to wonder why, as surely they must have if not plenty, then at least some, old time friends/colleagues/workmates or people in their social circle willing to stand up for them, but apparently that is not the case.

Poignantly all the 5 witnesses dragged to Court  to vouch for them are merely associated to the mccanns in their professsional capacity brought about by the circumstances.  None of the 5 have known or heard of the Mccanns if not for Madeleine disappearance.  
 for free. Film making woman may be promised exclusives to more pulp fiction making.  

Who knows.
 I find it so WEIRD that the only people willing to stand as witnesses for them are people who hardly know them.


Repeating what K  said in that book -" I don't have the slightest doubt that if ever we ask friends or relations to do something for us, or need them with us, they will be there like a shot".
So could it be Kate didnt ask any of these reliable friends or relations to act as Witnesses, but instead had to ask strangers? Credible?

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Post by plebgate on 16.09.13 13:36

@AskTheDogsSandra wrote:
@plebgate wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Are the McCanns suing Stephen Birch, who has told the world through the media that Madeleine is buried under Murat's drive?  Isn't that going to stop people searching for Madeleine?
These days people may not be so inclined to cave in seeing how Mr. A. has stood his ground.   I would hazard a guess they don't want to see another court room for a long time.
I think it will be Amaral who takes them to court next so it's only a matter of time before they do get to see another court room and will have to give evidence under oath. bomb 

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yeah and I should think there are many who can't wait to see that day. Also TB might yet get to do same.

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Post by marconi on 16.09.13 13:37

I wonder which saint is Kate's protector. The only thing that I am sure of is that he failed in his canonization test.
Kate can better try another one.

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Post by pennylane on 16.09.13 13:44

@marconi wrote:I wonder which saint is Kate's protector. The only thing that I am sure of is that he failed in his canonization test.
Kate can better try another one.
St Aesop  yes

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Post by Penfold on 16.09.13 13:44

@marconi wrote:I wonder which saint is Kate's protector. The only thing that I am sure of is that he failed in his canonization test.
Kate can better try another one.
St Jude?

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Post by Guest on 16.09.13 13:47

St Clarence maybe? The patron saint of prisoners - honestly! 

He used to be at any rate but now the poor old soul seems to have been whooshed.

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Post by Newintown on 16.09.13 13:49

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Penfold wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:

What is blatantly noticeably obvious is that none of Kate or Gerry's friends have come forward to support them.  Even the paynes are conspicious by their absent.
Either they did not have close and lasting friends, or they are not believed by their friends.  It seems they couldn not count on their old time friends (if they have any) to vouch for them.

You have to wonder why, as surely they must have if not plenty, then at least some, old time friends/colleagues/workmates or people in their social circle willing to stand up for them, but apparently that is not the case.

Poignantly all the 5 witnesses dragged to Court  to vouch for them are merely associated to the mccanns in their professsional capacity brought about by the circumstances.  None of the 5 have known or heard of the Mccanns if not for Madeleine disappearance.  
 for free. Film making woman may be promised exclusives to more pulp fiction making.  

Who knows.
 I find it so WEIRD that the only people willing to stand as witnesses for them are people who hardly know them.


Repeating what K  said in that book -" I don't have the slightest doubt that if ever we ask friends or relations to do something for us, or need them with us, they will be there like a shot".
So could it be Kate didnt ask any of these reliable friends or relations to act as Witnesses, but instead had to ask strangers?  Credible?
What about neighbours who they must have known for many years, parents of the friends of the twins and Madeleine from nursery, work colleagues from the hospital where GM works who they must have socialised with on many occasions, work colleagues from the GP practice where KM worked? Friends from university or the 5 year medical degree course KM took, so many people she had contact with over the years but not one as a witness.

One of her claims against GA, is that she is suffering from depression, yet has not brought in an official representative so far to confirm that.  If she has been suffering for some years after GA's book was published surely it would all be on record with the help and advice she'd been given.

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Post by Penfold on 16.09.13 14:01

I hate to keep quoting the book again, but Kate says that she thanks God that Emma Loach walked into her life. 

Care to rethink that one Kate?

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Post by tiny on 16.09.13 14:04

@Penfold wrote:I hate to keep quoting the book again, but Kate says that she thanks God that Emma Loach walked into her life. 

Care to rethink that one Kate?
Kate must have had loach down as a easy pushover,bet Gerry and kate praised her to the hilt, hence loach LIED for her and Gerry.

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Post by aiyoyo on 16.09.13 14:07

@plebgate wrote:SY must be aware of what is being said in this trial.   Somebody is bound to send them the comments being made on the internet (maybe they already have).   IMO they should  re-interview the whole lot of the Tapas crew after this libel trial (whatever the verdict) because things certainly do not seem to add up re. Emma Loach doc. and statements let alone everything else that has been pointed out over the years.

This trial, be it the process or verdict, it has nothing to do with Grange or Grange investigation.

I hope the defendant's legal team in their closing summary points out the witnesses lies.
It shouldn't be difficult for the Book Publisher,being part of the defend party, to prove whether or not Emma Loach lied.

Maybe it might be good if Defence Team can find out about the credibility of Dave Edgar's claim that he worked with Police Officers.
If he's proven to have lied, then Grange might need to know why he lied.

Ultimately it would be good if Team Amaral were able to shoot down the credibility of the witnesses.
If they were proven to have lied then everything they said can be binned .


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Post by sallypelt on 16.09.13 14:11

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I've just realised that Emma Loach was the director of the (unintentionally) hilarious and revealing documentary Madeleine Was Here.
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1439291/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_3
 
A link to the first part for anyone who's missed this little gem.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw

Another quality witness to be sure!!
Listening to the Youtube video, where Kate said she was closing the door, then it "slammed". She opened to door again, TO CHECK ON THE CHILDREN!!! Well, wth was she checking on the first time before the door "slammed"?

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Post by Newintown on 16.09.13 14:11

@aiyoyo wrote:
@plebgate wrote:SY must be aware of what is being said in this trial.   Somebody is bound to send them the comments being made on the internet (maybe they already have).   IMO they should  re-interview the whole lot of the Tapas crew after this libel trial (whatever the verdict) because things certainly do not seem to add up re. Emma Loach doc. and statements let alone everything else that has been pointed out over the years.

This trial, be it the process or verdict, it has nothing to do with Grange or Grange investigation.

I hope the defendant's legal team in their closing summary points out the witnesses lies.
It shouldn't be difficult for the Book Publisher,being part of the defend party, to prove whether or not Emma Loach lied.

Maybe it might be good if Defence Team can find out about the credibility of Dave Edgar's claim that he worked with Police Officers.
If he's proven to have lied, then Grange might need to know why he lied.

Ultimately it would be good if Team Amaral were able to shoot down the credibility of the witnesses.
If they were proven to have lied then everything they said can be binned .

No doubt that is one thing that GA's lawyer will be looking into so that they can disprove his statement when GA takes the stand and shoot his statement down in flames.

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