Re: Alex Woolfall 'knows': 'The Last Photo', and other photos of Madeleine in Praia da Luz

by Guest 26.09.13 15:52

To follow on from the above post.

With thanks to Textusa, the artical was posted Wednesday April 21st 2010

It’s always the little detail that makes the whole difference.

A little thing that suddenly ignites the linking and connecting of events and people seemingly disconnected from each other. With the details with what had happened in Praia da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd, I was quite satisfied with what I was able to deduce.

But it’s always been intriguing how these people could have manipulated and ordered around a whole country. Their power had to be based on them being able to leash out a scandal, and not just any kind of scandal.

It had to be more than about money or “tame” sex. It had to be something big, really big. Big enough to answer those questions we’ve been asked over, and over again, as to WHY the McCanns have enjoyed the protection that they have had.

When I read that Mr. Gambles had been a member of, and had led the SBI Branch in Belfast, a lot started to make a lot of sense.

Finally. The more I read, the more the pieces of the puzzle started to fall in place. And this is what I read (hopefully I’ll read a lot more…): From the CV on Jim Gamble that I took from the 3A Forum, I left out some information that I thought to be irrelevant but is anything but that:

At the end of 2001, Jim took up a leading role with the National Crime Squad for England and Wales as an Assistant Chief Constable and, in 2004, as Deputy Director General. Jim was also responsible in this time for the UK’s National High Tech Crime Unit, co-ordination of Operation Ore – the UK’s largest ever investigation into online child abuse – and the national Paedophile Online Investigation Team.

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This is a long post, but well worth the read.

by sar 26.09.13 16:48

Thanks Cherry Blossom,

When I read about anything and operation ore gets mentioned I start getting very worried. It is the one investigation we will probably never see the conclusions of. The bluff and double bluff of Ore means no one really knows the truth now. If that is linked to this then I see the SY investigation being "played out", dead peado's, "swarthy gypsies" etc being offered as a solution in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. What's new? Would love those responsible for this horrific crime to be brought to justice but, if something looks like a stitch up (enter egg man, Victoria Beckham lookalike ) smells like a stitch up (sea bass and old flip flops) sounds like a stitch up (there are 39 new persons of interest) it usually is. I have always wanted this case to be solved and for justice to prevail but the mention of ore makes me doubtful.

When Bliar went to the ranch in Crawford I believe that is what was discussed. It was a quid pro quo, [adopts Texan drawl] "...we have this evidence implicating the upper echelons of both our countries, you comin' with me on my daddies war or what??" He went from simpering socialist anti war leftie to rabid attack dog of the west.

by Jaci 26.10.13 2:03

One thing that always bothered me about the last photo (Pool side one) is that when I zoomed in on Madeleine's hair (High Resolution) I couldn't see how it was possible to cut and paste all those fine fly away hairs. On that alone I came to the conclusion that it had to be genuine. Then I came across a video that explained how it is possible to get all those fine details included in a cut and paste. I'm sure Jon Corner would have the know-how.

If anyone has a little time to spend on watching this video I'd appreciate your comments

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by Curioser 27.10.13 23:54

Jaci wrote:One thing that always bothered me about the last photo (Pool side one) is that when I zoomed in on Madeleine's hair (High Resolution) I couldn't see how it was possible to cut and paste all those fine fly away hairs. On that alone I came to the conclusion that it had to be genuine. Then I came across a video that explained how it is possible to get all those fine details included in a cut and paste. I'm sure Jon Corner would have the know-how.

If anyone has a little time to spend on watching this video I'd appreciate your comments

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I've done this stuff for a living and it's very difficult to deal with hair like that. I think the photo is genuine.

by Curioser 27.10.13 23:55

Mind you, we can't tell when it was taken without having the original file. It would say in the image metadata probably what date it was taken.

by **tigger** 28.10.13 7:47

Curioser wrote:
Jaci wrote:One thing that always bothered me about the last photo (Pool side one) is that when I zoomed in on Madeleine's hair (High Resolution) I couldn't see how it was possible to cut and paste all those fine fly away hairs. On that alone I came to the conclusion that it had to be genuine. Then I came across a video that explained how it is possible to get all those fine details included in a cut and paste. I'm sure Jon Corner would have the know-how.

If anyone has a little time to spend on watching this video I'd appreciate your comments

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I've done this stuff for a living and it's very difficult to deal with hair like that. I think the photo is genuine.Even in 2007 advertising and graphic designers were using much improved programmes. The issue isn't about Maddie's hair, but about her age.

Focussing on those strands of hair nicely takes the attention away from Amelie's partly missing right arm.
The two girls cannot have been there at the same time,. Amelie is the right age for 2007, Maddie is far too small for nearly four years old. .

Perhaps you should have a look at the 'Video analysis of the tennis photo' which compares the two photos.

For more evidence how even an amateur can use photoshop, have a look at JD's posts. Flying hairs everywhere.

@Jaci, the video is from an amateur who is trying to be amusing and doesn't seem to know exactly what to do
Blue sky isn't mentioned and that is used live even in broadcasts etc.
youtube is full of such clips.

by Guest 28.10.13 9:52

PeterMac wrote:
Portia wrote:OK. Got it.
These two CDs: did they contain the information from the video camera processed by PC Barman and DS Martin on the 8th?
I figured they did, but there is no evidence of that so far.
That was certainly my fist impression, though as you say there is no evidence.
I would guess they copied the photos onto the CDs, gave the CDs to Paiva, and then the cameras and the memory sticks were sent to the UK
Why and by whom, remains a mystery to me.

And what happened to the video camera tape.

After quite a bit of searching I've found nothing to connect Hampshire Police, apart from DS Martins's statement which imo doesn't ring true. I can't even find a letter of request from the PJ, has anyone else seen one?

Jim Gamble was in the perfect position of power to authorize the processing of cameras and video tape and wipe clean any incriminating evidence, but who was he looking for, high profile people? His own men, but why would they be there? or something else? Was it Gamble who said what photo's were to be put on the two CD's?

Why would Jim Gamble ask holiday makers to send their own photo's was it to make sure anything incriminating was was destroyed?

by Ayniia 28.10.13 13:03

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Why would Jim Gamble ask holiday makers to send their own photo's was it to make sure anything incriminating was was destroyed?

Maybe the photos were together with the Efits for years...

by Guest 07.11.13 11:08

Ayniia wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
Why would Jim Gamble ask holiday makers to send their own photo's was it to make sure anything incriminating was was destroyed?
Maybe the photos were together with the Efits for years...

Could be right Ayniia, surpressed never to see daylight or so they thought. I makes me wonder how many who are holding evidence have been threatened with breaking the McCanns confidentiality clause.
The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. "I said to Kate, 'Let's try to identify pictures where her face is visible'. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

"They were trying to do two things at once: one, emotionally deal with what was actually, really happening to them; two, operate in some sort of logical way to help get her back."

Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.

Woolfall doesn't say they were recent photo's of Madeleine taken over the previous days imo they were photo's of Madeleine taken before the hoiliday that were on the camera.

The pool photo superimposed from an old photo on the camera

The tennis photo GM brought from home, or maybe that was an old photo that they held back to use showing Madeleine was there.

The first reporting of Madeleine missing:

Three year-old feared abducted in Portugal
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Madeline McCann was due to start school in September

By staff and agencies
12:01AM BST 04 May 2007

The parents of a British toddler who has gone missing while on holiday in Portugal say they fear she has been abducted.
Three-year-old Madeline McCann disappeared last night from her parent’s rented apartment in the Western Algarve, while they dined nearby.

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I'm sure we all know that photo wasn't a recent holiday photo of Madeleine, it must have been an old photo that was on the digital camera.

And so in print the abduction story was born and sold to the British public 12:01AM BST 04 May 2007

by Veritas 11.11.13 17:48

That photo is of MMC in a Snow White costume. Doubtful the costume went on holiday. More likely a Christmas photo? Regardless, using a slightly older photo does not mean the others are faked. There's no evidence of any significant forgery.

by Veritas 11.11.13 17:53

Tigger,

There is no missing arm. Its right there. Its a matter of perspective. The arm falls behind her torso. If it was in front, at that angle, she'd be deformed.

As for MmC's size, nonsense. Her arm is nearly twice the thickness of her sister, and torso's grow relatively proportionately while is is our limbs that define much of our increased height, and in this photo Maddie's legs are in the water, thus removing our ability to make a size comparison. The photo is legit, and predictably so.

by Guest 11.11.13 18:02

Veritas wrote:That photo is of MMC in a Snow White costume. Doubtful the costume went on holiday. More likely a Christmas photo?

Not necessarily...my granddaughter who is the same age as Maddie was spends almost every day in her various Disney princess costumes and goes everywhere in them at any time of the year. She loves dressing up....although she doesn't go as far as wearing make up and leaning back on her elbows or anything.

by Guest 12.11.13 7:44

admin wrote:
Veritas wrote:That photo is of MMC in a Snow White costume. Doubtful the costume went on holiday. More likely a Christmas photo?
Not necessarily...my granddaughter who is the same age as Maddie was spends almost every day in her various Disney princess costumes and goes everywhere in them at any time of the year. She loves dressing up....although she doesn't go as far as wearing make up and leaning back on her elbows or anything.

Respect your opinion Veritas, however how can you say that the photo is legit and predictably so. The only person who knows that is the person who did or did not photograph the three of them together! I've no idea if it's a Christmas photo, have you?

In agreement with all your comments admin.

by Miss Trunchbull 13.11.13 12:31

I have a question and am not sure which thread to ask it on. If this is not the place, can admin please move it? Thanks.

I have seen several references to 'THAT' photo but as a relative newcomer I'm not sure which photo people mean.

Is it the coloboma close-up, the tennis ball photo, the swimming pool photo....I don't know. nah

by Guest 13.11.13 12:47

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Ayniia wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
Why would Jim Gamble ask holiday makers to send their own photo's was it to make sure anything incriminating was was destroyed?
Maybe the photos were together with the Efits for years...
Could be right Ayniia, surpressed never to see daylight or so they thought. I makes me wonder how many who are holding evidence have been threatened with breaking the McCanns confidentiality clause.
The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. "I said to Kate, 'Let's try to identify pictures where her face is visible'. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

"They were trying to do two things at once: one, emotionally deal with what was actually, really happening to them; two, operate in some sort of logical way to help get her back."

Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.

Woolfall doesn't say they were recent photo's of Madeleine taken over the previous days imo they were photo's of Madeleine taken before the hoiliday that were on the camera.

The pool photo superimposed from an old photo on the camera

The tennis photo GM brought from home, or maybe that was an old photo that they held back to use showing Madeleine was there.

The first reporting of Madeleine missing:

Three year-old feared abducted in Portugal
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Madeline McCann was due to start school in September

By staff and agencies
12:01AM BST 04 May 2007

The parents of a British toddler who has gone missing while on holiday in Portugal say they fear she has been abducted.
Three-year-old Madeline McCann disappeared last night from her parent’s rented apartment in the Western Algarve, while they dined nearby.

More: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I'm sure we all know that photo wasn't a recent holiday photo of Madeleine, it must have been an old photo that was on the digital camera.

And so in print the abduction story was born and sold to the British public 12:01AM BST 04 May 2007

The picture sported here is the one which gave me such a start; its a still from a video where Maddie first looks askance at something to the left of the person taking the video, then, gnawing her mouth so queerly, up at that person. IMO she does not look into the camera, her attention being attracted by something else, to her right, the viewers left (invisible to those watching the video)

by Guest 13.11.13 12:52

I've always thought she looks terrified in that video.

by **PeterMac** 13.11.13 13:32

So why did they use this one for the initial poster.
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Like everything else, it makes no sense.

by Guest 13.11.13 17:25

I've been most concerned with the tennisball photo [if it is Madeleine, of course]. For me it's an insecure, maybe even frightened girl, trying desperately to please ...

by Guest 13.11.13 17:26

Clay Regazzoni wrote:I've always thought she looks terrified in that video.

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For me it's more of a "here we go again, please not" ...

by Guest 14.11.13 7:27

PeterMac wrote:So why did they use this one for the initial poster.
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Like everything else, it makes no sense.

PeterMac, is this photo from Madeleine's passport?

by **PeterMac** 14.11.13 7:38

Cherry Blossom wrote:
PeterMac wrote:So why did they use this one for the initial poster.
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Like everything else, it makes no sense.
PeterMac, is this photo from Madeleine's passport?

No. Passport photos are only the face, full on.
The story was that this was taken from the camera by Russ OB p. 74 refers.

by **tigger** 14.11.13 7:57

Châtelaine wrote:I've been most concerned with the tennisball photo [if it is Madeleine, of course]. For me it's an insecure, maybe even frightened girl, trying desperately to please ...

Note that her name isn't even mentioned in the text, which would be essential should one have come across a girl who looked like the picture. Which seems to be about 18 months out of date in May 2007.

by Guest 14.11.13 8:43

PeterMac wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
PeterMac wrote:So why did they use this one for the initial poster.
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Like everything else, it makes no sense.
PeterMac, is this photo from Madeleine's passport?
No. Passport photos are only the face, full on.
The story was that this was taken from the camera by Russ OB p. 74 refers.

Thanks, will have a look.

by sami 14.11.13 8:54

tigger wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:I've been most concerned with the tennisball photo [if it is Madeleine, of course]. For me it's an insecure, maybe even frightened girl, trying desperately to please ...
Note that her name isn't even mentioned in the text, which would be essential should one have come across a girl who looked like the picture. Which seems to be about 18 months out of date in May 2007.

Or phone number so heaven forbid you could immediately phone for help if you saw the child. Nope, off you go trying to find the Ocean Club.

by **PeterMac** 14.11.13 8:58

sami wrote:
tigger wrote:Note that her name isn't even mentioned in the text, which would be essential should one have come across a girl who looked like the picture. Which seems to be about 18 months out of date in May 2007.
Or phone number so heaven forbid you could immediately phone for help if you saw the child. Nope, off you go trying to find the Ocean Club.

Nor the police, nor any local shopkeeper, nor. . .

They knew knew that she would not be found.
Because she wasn't missing.

Alex Woolfall 'knows': 'The Last Photo', and other photos of Madeleine in Praia da Luz