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From male Territorial Army soldier - to Muslim burqa-wearing woman. From Laurens to Lucy

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From male Territorial Army soldier - to Muslim burqa-wearing woman. From Laurens to Lucy

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:10 am


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Re: From male Territorial Army soldier - to Muslim burqa-wearing woman. From Laurens to Lucy

Post by Guest on Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:36 am

A bizarre story even by the standards of The Sun!
 
There are no other relevant links to anyone called Lucy Vallender and no links at all to Laurens Vallender on the Internet.
 
Please forgive me folks for doubting the authenticity of the gospel according to The Sun!

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Re: From male Territorial Army soldier - to Muslim burqa-wearing woman. From Laurens to Lucy

Post by comperedna on Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:59 pm

Yeah. Very odd and unusual, if true, but deep down, who cares? Whatever floats your boat... if its legal.

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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:14 pm

No problem yes with what this person has supposedly done but, as she doesn't appear to exist, one wonders what the point of the story is.

Mind you, the same goes for most things in The Sun, particularly relating to the McCann case!

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Re: From male Territorial Army soldier - to Muslim burqa-wearing woman. From Laurens to Lucy

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:45 pm

comperedna5 wrote:Yeah. Very odd and unusual, if true, but deep down, who cares? Whatever floats your boat... if it's legal.
Well, if your'e 110% sure you want to be transgendered, and can afford to pay for it, then in a free society, you could argue: why stop anyone?

BUT, the transgender failures, the transgender regrets, the requests for reversal are numerous, e.g.:

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Want-To-Reverse-Sex-Reassignment-Surgery/1608417

http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/uks-youngest-transgender-patient-seeks-to-reverse-sex-change/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-02-24-transgender-penner_N.htm


It appears that a lot of these folk don't really know what they're doing to themselves. One of them began hormone sex-change treatment at 16, and unsurprisingly now wants to reverse the surgery. Who assessed this person as mature enough to decide?

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Post by PeterMac on Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:43 pm

If a man goes into his doctor's surgery and announces that he is Jesus of Nazareth, men in white coats will escort him to a place of safety,
where he can be properly looked after, and gradually persuaded that this is just a delusion.

If a man goes into his doctor's surgery and announces this he is a woman in a man's body, the doctor pulls on rubber gloves and reaches for the scissors.

Is this really how we treat people who on any test are deeply disturbed ?

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:38 pm

There is a TV producer/media guy called Charles Kane, who for a while, became a Samantha, but is now back to being Charles again.

Peter, your assessment is spot on. 

Everyone these days is so worried about being an -ist, or committing an -ism that common sense has flown out of the window.

Society has become afraid of the truth or respecting healthy boundaries, no wonder people are getting more messed up and reliant on pills or alcohol.

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Re: From male Territorial Army soldier - to Muslim burqa-wearing woman. From Laurens to Lucy

Post by Guest on Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:40 pm

I am sure that, in the U K at least, people wishing to change genders do receive psychiatric counselling first.
 
I have to admit to being sceptical when people in their 40s or older decide they can no longer live in what to them is the "wrong" body.
 
There are however some very convincing stories involving children who, as soon as they could talk, made it clear that they were the opposite gender to that in which they were born.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wh6NecfMiE

This is the story of an American child called Jazz who comes into that category and it is certainly difficult to think of her as anything other than a girl.

I should add that I have a transgender in-law myself.

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Re: From male Territorial Army soldier - to Muslim burqa-wearing woman. From Laurens to Lucy

Post by Guest on Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:53 pm

I remember seeing a programme about Charles Kane. He seemed to have gone ahead with the operation on a whim just because he was bored and restless after his marriage broke up.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1327554/Charles-Kane-sex-change--hated-Samantha-man-Now-hes-getting-married-So-fiancée-crazy.html

Unfortunately the link doesn't work as it appears with a load of bumph but if you google Charles Kane Samantha you'll find it.

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