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Post by lj on 20.08.13 4:47

@marconi wrote:
@Trainer wrote:If the uk government really wanted to do a white wash why not just call it a day after the review?

I can't see any reason to go into a real investigation if you want a white wash

The investigation linking in with the Portuguese must be for real .......or am I stupid
Trainer, you are a bright person. of course it is not a white wash and it has never been. the mccanns kept insisting on a review, knowing that the PJ would refuse it, unless there would be new evidence.As the files were shelved, they thought they were safe.  and they continued being a pain in the a... of the British government, annoying Cameron and Theresa May.They had no idea that Brooks was preparing a trap, that would bring them to justice.
Rebekah wanted the 500.000 pounds back, of course. And even much more than 500.000, which will happen.
Don't you ever trust journalists!

The Yard got involved in the case and, in my opnion,most of the Tapas, under a terrible pressure,had no other choice but telling the truth,  during an interview.  That is what Redwood called " new witnesses evidence".
In my opinion, that evidence is pointing to Algarve, where the corpse is hidden. That's why the Met are going there. I suspect in a house near the church, perhaps under the kitchen floor, an usual anglo-sax solution for  murders. If the corpse is there, the PJ must know it.
I try to ignore you, but it is almost impossible.
So I ask again (just in case a visitor comes by and thinks you're the oracle of this side): can you give some reference, background information or anything that can support your outlandish claims?

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Post by lj on 20.08.13 4:50

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@Who?What?Where? wrote:jeanmonroe,

Do you know what the minimum sentence's for those crimes are?

The people involved in this case seem to be so well connected and so well protected , that it is much more likely that a minimum sentence is all they will ever recieve, even if this case is brought to a Court of Law and a person (or persons), is convicted of something.
The minimum sentence they, and their ENTIRE families, would receive is that the WHOLE of the UK would hate them, not just the vast majority!
Don't put them in jail, give them community service, preferably with a big sign that state what a harmful parents they are.

With a link to this site of course, so everyone can read up on the damage these 2 have done.

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Post by aiyoyo on 20.08.13 16:42

@lj wrote:
Don't forget that the "workorder" was to investigate as if the abduction had taken place in the UK.

Not "see if an abduction took place", not "an open mind", no: "to investigate as if the abduction had taken place in the UK".

It is not a matter of if they arrive at the conclusion it was an abduction, it is their working platform.

I beg to differ.

As.....IF, the abduction took place in the UK.......?  Can also mean the Yard would have to apply and observe all the procedures as laid down by MPS for the handling of crime of this nature. Meaning if  an/the abduction took place in the UK how MET would handle it, what procedures MET would have to follow.

Undoubted, they would have to look inwards as well as outwards with an open mind on all scenarios; including one of looking at the last person/s to have seen the child alive, and person who found her missing (in the case her parents).  They would have to be questioned and eliminated or not from the equation.

By virtue of the UK Police Force Manual (procedures or whatever you called it ) of Investigations, the Yard IS obliged to interview the Mccanns & Friends.  Failing to do that would be in total contradiction to their laid-down procedures, in breach of their own internal rules.  

If, ultimately, the Yard were to come up with a conclusion of *Stranger Abduction" without evidence to support this theory, combined this with their non-interview and elimination of her parents and friends would be seen as a travesty of investigation.  It would be extremely difficult for them to argue that their conclusion is valid, nor it is acceptable within legal perimeters, especially when the rules for investigation "as if the *abduction*  took place in the UK" were not applied across the board without exception.

 The Yard will lose all credibility plus will risk facing inquiry for dereliction of their fiduciary duties.

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Post by PeterMac on 20.08.13 16:54

@aiyoyo wrote:
I beg to differ.
As.....IF, the abduction took place in the UK.......?  Can also mean the Yard would have to apply and observe all the procedures as laid down by MPS for the handling of crime of this nature. Meaning if  an/the abduction took place in the UK how MET would handle it, what procedures MET would have to follow.
And the opening rule is - If it doubt, think Murder
And the next two are
Watch the family.
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Post by aiyoyo on 20.08.13 17:01

@PeterMac wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
I beg to differ.
As.....IF, the abduction took place in the UK.......?  Can also mean the Yard would have to apply and observe all the procedures as laid down by MPS for the handling of crime of this nature. Meaning if  an/the abduction took place in the UK how MET would handle it, what procedures MET would have to follow.
And the opening rule is - If it doubt, think Murder
And the next two are
Watch the family.
Follow the money
OK.....if Op Grange should fail to follow this opening rule, they would be in breach isn't it?

So then, an educated guess tells us there wont be any need to interview Mccanns and friends for elimination because Redwood team already cracked what exactly happened to Madeleine and it's only a question of time before the inevitable.

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Post by Monty Heck on 20.08.13 19:50

@tasprin wrote:
The stance taken by people like Jim Gamble is the mystery Monty Heck, and partially accounts imo for the level of scepticism amongst the public. There's so much wrong with the abduction story yet the establishment don't even try to maintain a semblance of impartiality, they actually promote the McCanns as heroes for some strange reason.

In response to a tweet questioning the Scotland Yard review Jim Gamble tweeted:

Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 30 Jul
@CaroleShooter I wouldn't comment on anything I haven't got a full understanding of while an investigation is ongoing. Thanks.

which is fair enough if he was consistent but in fact it's very different from his comments in Oct 2007. Shortly after the McCanns were made suspects in the disappearance of their child, he gave an interview in which he had no qualms at all about commenting whilst there was an on-going police investigation:

The original article is still on the Mirror site 5 Oct 2007
'As the senior police officer in charge of Britain's anti-paedophile operations, Jim understands only too well the toll it exacts on his team. "You are constantly traumatised by the work that you do," he says. "By the fact that adults can be so unbelievably cruel to the youngest, most vulnerable children in our society." And as head of the CEOP, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection centre, missing Madeleine McCann is inevitably never far from his mind. "We absolutely support the McCann family," he says, sitting in his glass-walled office in Pimlico, Central London. "They are to be applauded for their tireless work to keep the campaign to find their daughter in the public consciousness. It is a case for every parent of 'There but by the grace of God, go I'." For Gamble, every day is about saving a potential Madeleine from harm. And every day he and his team must plumb the depths of what the human spirit can bear'.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cop-hunts-down-net-pervs-511173#ixzz2cRRXtE1z
Thanks Tasprin.  Quite a contrast between quotes - if you hadn't given the dates I would have guessed that the first had been made early in the arguido situation and the second more recent.  The Oct 2007 quote is quite startling, concerning as it does two people under suspect status during an ongoing investigation in another country.  Even if he dismissed the dogs and forensics, which may have been inconclusive but certainly couldn't be ruled out as belonging to MMcC, how could he possibly dismiss the other investigative findings, such as the unexplained inconsistenices and impossibility of the timeline given by the group?  That the head of a body like CEOP, an apparently hardened investigator of the most vile crimes would apparently gloss over the legitimate and evidence based concerns of the official investigators concerning the parents in favour of publicly voicing his unquestioning support is very difficult to take in, yet there it is, in his own (literally) incredible words.  The question is, is this a mere leap of faith, an instinctive belief that the parents did no wrong or does he base his views on something concrete that we don't know about?  Or, was he simply told to give unquestioning support when at the very least he ought to have remained impartial, in public at least.

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Post by lj on 21.08.13 0:59

@aiyoyo wrote:
@lj wrote:
Don't forget that the "workorder" was to investigate as if the abduction had taken place in the UK.

Not "see if an abduction took place", not "an open mind", no: "to investigate as if the abduction had taken place in the UK".

It is not a matter of if they arrive at the conclusion it was an abduction, it is their working platform.

I beg to differ.

As.....IF, the abduction took place in the UK.......?  Can also mean the Yard would have to apply and observe all the procedures as laid down by MPS for the handling of crime of this nature. Meaning if  an/the abduction took place in the UK how MET would handle it, what procedures MET would have to follow.

Undoubted, they would have to look inwards as well as outwards with an open mind on all scenarios; including one of looking at the last person/s to have seen the child alive, and person who found her missing (in the case her parents).  They would have to be questioned and eliminated or not from the equation.

By virtue of the UK Police Force Manual (procedures or whatever you called it ) of Investigations, the Yard IS obliged to interview the Mccanns & Friends.  Failing to do that would be in total contradiction to their laid-down procedures, in breach of their own internal rules.  

If, ultimately, the Yard were to come up with a conclusion of *Stranger Abduction" without evidence to support this theory, combined this with their non-interview and elimination of her parents and friends would be seen as a travesty of investigation.  It would be extremely difficult for them to argue that their conclusion is valid, nor it is acceptable within legal perimeters,  especially when the rules for investigation "as if the *abduction*  took place in the UK" were not applied across the board without exception.

 The Yard will lose all credibility plus will risk facing inquiry for dereliction of their fiduciary duties.
I have no time now to find it. It was in the first interview with Andy IIRC, at the start of the review.

The same where they said there would not be any updates or reports to the public. So the "to investigate as if the abduction had taken place in the UK" might be a lie too.

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Post by aiyoyo on 21.08.13 5:49

God only knows what their work order is supposed to mean.  

Redwood did say it was a stranger abduction ( that she may be alive or sadly dead), follows by a subsequent statement stating her parents & Hol friends are not POI or suspects, but neither statement gels with top-CPS-officials presence in Portugal.
 His statements are perplexing coming after having said they weren't going to report to the public.
 Something not as reported is happening behind the scene and Redwood isn't telling (just yet).

Could the objective of Redwood's statements to give the Press something to print in the avoidance of unnecessary speculation or premature breaking news causing frenzy of refute activities from certain quarters and their lawyers that will screw things up before they get started ?

I cant see the justification for more money thrown onto something as abstract  and intangible as a faceless stranger.
Somehow despite the proclamations one does not get the feeling the Yard are searching for a swarthy garlic breath vagabond.
The impression seems to be they're after whoever entered the apt to soothe the child or at least working in the direction that Madeleine perp/s was/were known to her.
IMV, the couple must have been known to Madeleine and knew she was alone.
They could't have been abductors and not taken her then - neither were they another lot on dry trial run that's for sure as that would be too freaky ludicrous. If they were samaritan passer-bys hearing a crying child you would think they would have reported the crying incident to the Reception rather than trespassed especially if they'd thought the child was alone.

Only one of two things can happen ultimately.

1.  They announce the arrest of so and so in the UK, and only then would those peripheral characters surrounding them be invited into Police Stations to answer for their role in it.

2.  They produce NEW substantiatable evidence, concurred as plausible by their joint-partner, to support the abduction theory.
A decision not unanimously agreed by both sides would throw up questions of its plausibility and validity. How are the Yard going to announce to the World an unilateral conclusion and hope not to be challenged by the Portuguese ?

More significantly, in that said scenario, there can be no closure for the case, so how is that going to serve the British Authority's hidden agenda, be there one ? In a nutshell, after having coerced or rather persuaded the Portuguese involvement/cooperation in their Review/Investigation it will be impossible to take (or maintain) a white wash position and hope to get away without looking grossly incompetent and without being challenged ?

Is the UK Government going out on a limb to make an arse of themselves over this case ? $64M question.

In the worst case scenario this can result in the same conclusion as previously arrived at by the Portuguese - an impasse. Meaning they knew there was no abduction, Maddie died in the apt, her nearest and closest involved, but not enough for trial. And, that would raise the question how are the Yard and/or Home Office going to announce this ? Another $64M question.

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Post by tigger on 21.08.13 6:33

Or they will take a year or so with various 'promising leads' to end up with the mysterious tea stain and a long dead paedo. Job done.

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Post by aiyoyo on 21.08.13 7:55

@tigger wrote:Or they will take a year or so with various 'promising leads' to end up with the mysterious tea stain and a long dead paedo. Job done.
Could be ! But, what about the cost ?

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Post by tigger on 21.08.13 9:53

@aiyoyo wrote:
@tigger wrote:Or they will take a year or so with various 'promising leads' to end up with the mysterious tea stain and a long dead paedo. Job done.
Could be !  But, what about the cost ?
Think about the costs saved by not having a trial! high5

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Post by aiyoyo on 21.08.13 10:04

@tigger wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@tigger wrote:Or they will take a year or so with various 'promising leads' to end up with the mysterious tea stain and a long dead paedo. Job done.
Could be !  But, what about the cost ?
Think about the costs saved by not having a trial! high5
Cant be more than the costs of continual searching ; and the pain of having to put up with odious Pair nagging everyone to keep a look out !

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Post by marconi on 21.08.13 10:28

Can any of you tell me how long does a person gets for prison in case of obstruction of police work,for concealing of a corpse, for fraudulent fund, for accidental or otherwise death, in the UK?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.08.13 10:54

@marconi wrote:Can any of you tell me how long does a person gets for prison in case of obstruction of police work,for concealing of a corpse, for fraudulent fund, for accidental or otherwise death, in the UK?
Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice................................maximum sentence...................LIFE imprisonment.
Conspiracy to defraud. ie...'the fund '.( knowing full well the facts about the 'disappearance' BEFORE 'fund' set up).....maximum sentence,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,10 years imprisonment.
Proceeds of Crime Act....................., houses, cars, money etc, all forfeited to get back the cost of operation £5.5 million.
And that's before they even face the gauntlet of hate they'd ALL face from the public they, and their 'family members' ASKED to donate to a private company they set up.

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Post by PeterMac on 21.08.13 11:25

ONE MINUTE AND TWENTY SECONDS
To enter, sedate, select, turn round, exit
No point of entry
No point of exit
No forensic trace


and a dog !

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Post by PeterMac on 21.08.13 11:26

@jeanmonroe wrote:
Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice................................maximum sentence...................LIFE imprisonment.
Conspiracy to defraud. ie...'the fund '.( knowing full well the facts about the 'disappearance' BEFORE 'fund' set up).....maximum sentence,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,10 years imprisonment.
Proceeds of Crime Act....................., houses, cars, money etc, all forfeited to get back the cost of operation £5.5 million.
And that's before they even face the gauntlet of hate they'd ALL face from the public they, and their 'family members' ASKED to donate to a private company they set up.
Lying to the Pope ? Excommunication.

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Post by lj on 21.08.13 14:41

@PeterMac wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:
Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice................................maximum sentence...................LIFE imprisonment.
Conspiracy to defraud. ie...'the fund '.( knowing full well the facts about the 'disappearance' BEFORE 'fund' set up).....maximum sentence,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,10 years imprisonment.
Proceeds of Crime Act....................., houses, cars, money etc, all forfeited to get back the cost of operation £5.5 million.
And that's before they even face the gauntlet of hate they'd ALL face from the public they, and their 'family members' ASKED to donate to a private company they set up.
Lying to the Pope ?  Excommunication.
Kate has her backup church all set up already.

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Post by lj on 21.08.13 14:43

@PeterMac wrote:ONE MINUTE AND TWENTY SECONDS
To enter, sedate, select, turn round, exit
No point of entry
No point of exit
No forensic trace


and a dog !
Sounds more like an alien abduction than a stranger abduction.

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Post by Montclair on 21.08.13 20:35

@lj wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:ONE MINUTE AND TWENTY SECONDS
To enter, sedate, select, turn round, exit
No point of entry
No point of exit
No forensic trace


and a dog !
Sounds more like an alien abduction than a stranger abduction.
My question is how could anyone sedate 3 children without waking them up, whether by injection, pill, syrup or a chloroform soaked cloth? It is such a ridiculous idea that this could be done at all.

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Post by Harriet94 on 21.08.13 21:05

I have never understood how a stranger could have sedated the children in the time scale available. Someone with planned  access to the children and a detailed knowledge of safe sedation would be more plausible IMO if of course they were sedated.

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Post by AndyB on 21.08.13 21:52

@marconi wrote:Can any of you tell me how long does a person gets for prison in case of obstruction of police work,for concealing of a corpse, for fraudulent fund, for accidental or otherwise death, in the UK?
The key part of your question is in the phrase "in the UK". The obstruction of police, concealing of a corpse & accidental death all happened in Portugal (assuming they happened at all). They are therefore outside the jurisdiction of the UK police. The "fraudulent fund" is, I fear, not fraudulent in the legal sense of the word. It is, as we know, a privately owned limited company that was established to search for Madeleine and provide (financial?) support to the McCanns. (Shortly after being established, its articles of association, which is the document that defines what the company has been set up for, were changed to include social work - I have no idea why). Since being established the fund has spent large sums of money employing private investigators to look for Madeleine. It has also supported the McCanns and, no doubt, spent a proportion of its income on administrative expenses. All of this is entirely permissible in law.

That leaves "otherwise death". The sentence for this can be anything up to life imprisonment but, as the Met have said that they believe Madeleine might still be alive, I don't think its a line of enquiry that they're persuing

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Post by Guest on 21.08.13 22:31

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"The "fraudulent fund" is, I fear, not fraudulent in the legal sense of the word. It is, as we know, a privately owned limited company that was established to search for Madeleine and provide (financial?) support to the McCanns."
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We've been here before, Andy, but IF the McCs knew that Madeleine was sadly not alive, the "Fund" would be classed as a "fraud". IMO, of course.

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Post by marconi on 22.08.13 0:34

@AndyB wrote:
@marconi wrote:Can any of you tell me how long does a person gets for prison in case of obstruction of police work,for concealing of a corpse, for fraudulent fund, for accidental or otherwise death, in the UK?
The key part of your question is in the phrase "in the UK". The obstruction of police, concealing of a corpse & accidental death all happened in Portugal (assuming they happened at all). They are therefore outside the jurisdiction of the UK police. The "fraudulent fund" is, I fear, not fraudulent in the legal sense of the word. It is, as we know, a privately owned limited company that was established to search for Madeleine and provide (financial?) support to the McCanns. (Shortly after being established, its articles of association, which is the document that defines what the company has been set up for, were changed to include social work - I have no idea why). Since being established the fund has spent large sums of money employing private investigators to look for Madeleine. It has also supported the McCanns and, no doubt, spent a proportion of its income on administrative expenses. All of this is entirely permissible in law.

That leaves "otherwise death". The sentence for this can be anything up to life imprisonment but, as the Met have said that they believe Madeleine might still be alive, I don't think its a line of enquiry that they're persuing
AndyB, thanks. I don't believe in large sums of money in the search for Madeleine. The McCanns are using it to pay their lawyers. The fund has its base on a lie: abduction and people believed them.
The PJ's conclusion is that Madeleine died in the apartment, on that same night.

Of course the Yard is saying she could be alive. When they started the review, they started from zero with fresh eyes and with  no prejudice.  Imo opinion they officially did not arrive yet at 5A nor to the boot of the Scenic.
The presence of the Met police in Algarve is unprecedent be
cause laws are flexible. A Judge can change the course of a probe in order to solve a crime. Yes, the crime happened in Portugal but the perpetrators can be triad in the UK, because it was a crime against a Briton and probably committed by a Briton or Britons. It will depend on Portugal and on the UK.
Besides, 15.125 DNA marks, in England  enough  to prove it is Madeleine's, cadaver scent,  the Smiths, inconsistences,  serious neglect and irresponsibility ( if it was not intentional), the cheating fund, concealing of the body, obstruction of police work...

In England that is more than enough to convict the suspect(s).

Of course the death of Madeleine's is the only line of inquiry that the Met police are pursuing and they are not telling.

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Post by AndyB on 22.08.13 18:16

@marconi wrote:
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@marconi wrote:Can any of you tell me how long does a person gets for prison in case of obstruction of police work,for concealing of a corpse, for fraudulent fund, for accidental or otherwise death, in the UK?
The key part of your question is in the phrase "in the UK". The obstruction of police, concealing of a corpse & accidental death all happened in Portugal (assuming they happened at all). They are therefore outside the jurisdiction of the UK police. The "fraudulent fund" is, I fear, not fraudulent in the legal sense of the word. It is, as we know, a privately owned limited company that was established to search for Madeleine and provide (financial?) support to the McCanns. (Shortly after being established, its articles of association, which is the document that defines what the company has been set up for, were changed to include social work - I have no idea why). Since being established the fund has spent large sums of money employing private investigators to look for Madeleine. It has also supported the McCanns and, no doubt, spent a proportion of its income on administrative expenses. All of this is entirely permissible in law.

That leaves "otherwise death". The sentence for this can be anything up to life imprisonment but, as the Met have said that they believe Madeleine might still be alive, I don't think its a line of enquiry that they're persuing
AndyB, thanks. I don't believe in large sums of money in the search for Madeleine. The McCanns are using it to pay their lawyers. The fund has its base on a lie: abduction and people believed them.
The PJ's conclusion is that Madeleine died in the apartment, on that same night.

Of course the Yard is saying she could be alive. When they started the review, they started from zero with fresh eyes and with  no prejudice.  Imo opinion they officially did not arrive yet at 5A nor to the boot of the Scenic.
The presence of the Met police in Algarve is unprecedent be
cause laws are flexible. A Judge can change the course of a probe in order to solve a crime. Yes, the crime happened in Portugal but the perpetrators can be triad in the UK, because it was a crime against a Briton and probably committed by a Briton or Britons. It will depend on Portugal and on the UK.
Besides, 15.125 DNA marks, in England  enough  to prove it is Madeleine's, cadaver scent,  the Smiths, inconsistences,  serious neglect and irresponsibility ( if it was not intentional), the cheating fund, concealing of the body, obstruction of police work...

In England that is more than enough to convict the suspect(s).

Of course the death of Madeleine's is the only line of inquiry that the Met police are pursuing and they are not telling.
We know from the fact that private investigators were employed that at least some of the money was spent looking for Madeleine even if it was on a wild goose chase. Its my belief that it will be enough to keep the company on the right side of the law, at least in terms of prosecutability. The rest can legitimately be classified in the accounts as admin costs. You should see how large a percentage of charities income is used as admin and promotion (80% and above) but the fund isn't even a charity, its a private limited company. I think you're seriously underestimating how difficult it is to prosecute companies under English law, and particularly the fund for fraud.

"the crime happened in Portugal but the perpetrators can be triad in the UK, because it was a crime against a Briton and probably committed by a Briton or Britons"
I'm afraid it isn't that simple. There are very few crimes committed abroad that can be tried in the UK. Causing someone's death, Manslaughter or Murder, can be but in the Madeleine McCann case the police would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a) Madeleine is dead and b) that the accused is actually the person that caused her death. The only evidence for a is that of the dogs but on its own that's insufficient and there is none for b. If, as Goncalo Amaral believes, she died due to an accident there are no charges at all for the McCann's to answer in the UK.

Your final point does raise a very interesting question though: Exactly what are the Met investigating, given the extremely limited number of crimes that they can prosecute in the UK?

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Re: Joana Morais - The PJ will conduct the questioning that was requested by the English police - 14/8/2013

Post by russiandoll on 22.08.13 19:58

quote  " If, as Goncalo Amaral believes, she died due to an accident there are no charges at all for the McCann's to answer in the UK."

   Concealing a body, setting up a fraudulent fund, perverting the course of justice ? Are you sure of your claims re no case to answer in the above scenario ?

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