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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.08.13 20:59

Early in July there was a major heatwave in north America. There was a lot of coverage of it in the British media.

But this record cold spell in the Americas at the end of the month had no coverage that I am aware of:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/07/30/1122-record-cold-temps-in-the-u-s-in-one-week/

Why was that?

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Re: Record cold spell in the Americas last week

Post by PeterMac on 10.08.13 21:03

Do Carter-Ruck act for Al Gore ?

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Post by Guest on 10.08.13 21:36

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Post by aquila on 10.08.13 23:06

@Tony Bennett wrote:Early in July there was a major heatwave in north America. There was a lot of coverage of it in the British media.

But this record cold spell in the Americas at the end of the month had no coverage that I am aware of:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/07/30/1122-record-cold-temps-in-the-u-s-in-one-week/

Why was that?
ah but ah but... listen up now, when it's cold and when it rains out of season...listen carefully now...sit up straight...that proves that global warming exists. We're going to show you pictures of icy places that are diminishing at a massive rate each day. We can prove it - we have pictures of a dead polar bear (please give generously to the plight of the dead polar bear and our research).

What a load of....

Get ready with your credit cards folks.

I'm editing to add my observations and feelings on this subject.

We, the experts are telling you we are doing good for the planet. We're consulting with our global partners and we are showing our responsibility to saving this world of ours for future generations as we are all family people.

Now, what we're going to do is develop wind farms and solar energy businesses. We're also going to drill holes all over the place to look for natural reserves. You might think this is a fracking liberty but trust us we're doing it for you and future generations and for our world and please note that we're creating enormous employment opportunities.

Our EU friends are committed to this war on global warming. We have so many companies that can really make a difference. As with everything in a war situation we are very much aware that your efforts are paramount to this special cause and sacrifices must be borne. To assist you with any fiscal strife this may have on your life we have developed a new credit card system with our banking partners. We also have payday loan companies.

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Post by Martin on 11.08.13 1:33

Something else that we won't see in the media

 http://rare.us/story/associated-press-retracts-bogus-north-pole-lake-photo/.....

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Post by Angelique on 11.08.13 2:23

I am so glad this issue has arrived at last. I have been wanting to post about this issue for some time but was unsure where to put it or even whether to post it at all. So if you disagree that's fine.

Please - Please - Look Up At the Sky tomorrow if it is a fine day (no cloud cover) where ever you live and see if you have any chemtrails in the sky.

Or go to Chemtrails - Fully Exposed on YouTube and watch a short version of this and then follow their link to "What In The World Are They Spraying".

Where I live in Cornwall they are "spraying" so we only have one fine day every two weeks. All the other days are cloudy with minimum sun and also complete cloud cover for days at a time. This is August, usually our warmest and sunniest month. Last week the temperature in my garden at midday was 11 degrees c. Colder than it is at night.

This is not some wild conspiracy theory - it's really happening - just look at the sky during the day and watch the planes flying overhead. I have countless photo's of these planes spraying the atmosphere. I wonder what is the point of recycling and trying to save the planet when all the while our Government are in the process of polluting the atmosphere and poisoning the air we breathe without our permission.

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Post by Martin on 11.08.13 3:43

I've never understood about the 'chemtrails'. What are they supposed to be spraying, and where does this stuff end up? I always
thought it was vapour due to the height that the planes are flying.

For me, the biggest scandal is the millions of pounds, dollars and euros that we're being taxed to fill the pockets of the green crusaders. Just look at the recently released criminal Chris Huhne who's landed a very lucrative number. I'm more concerned about the massive grants and subsidies that landowners recieve for having wind turbines/bird mincers on their land. If memory serves me right, a member of Cameron's family does quite well out of it.

Again, I don't know much about the chemtrails and how it'll affect the weather. Anyway you can always see how many fuel guzzlers are in the air here .....

 http://planefinder.net/

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Post by tigger on 11.08.13 7:06

@Martin wrote:I've never understood about the 'chemtrails'. What are they supposed to be spraying, and where does this stuff end up? I always
thought it was vapour due to the height that the planes are flying.

For me, the biggest scandal is the millions of pounds, dollars and euros that we're being taxed to fill the pockets of the green crusaders. Just look at the recently released criminal Chris Huhne who's landed a very lucrative number. I'm more concerned about the massive grants and subsidies that landowners recieve for having wind turbines/bird mincers on their land. If memory serves me right, a member of Cameron's family does quite well out of it.

Again, I don't know much about the chemtrails and how it'll affect the weather. Anyway you can always see how many fuel guzzlers are in the air here .....

 http://planefinder.net/
Ice is increasing in some areas but that's not news. A few years back  there was the photograph of polar bears on an ice floe to illustrate the official story. 

Wind farms are ridiculous. Has anyone ever calculated the cost in energy to make, install and maintain them?
The sensible and cheaper option would be installing e.g. Photovoltaic panels on all new housing. Install geothermal heating and give tax breaks on installing these in older houses. 
But that way they lose control over a population now totally dependent on energy services and supermarkets for survival. No dependence, no control. 

We're overdue for the next ice age and that will just happen  - last one only finished 10.000 yrs ago. 
Poisoning the earth seems to be our speciality and we should do something about that. 

I hardly ever see chem trails over NL. Yet Schiphol is one of the busiest airports in the world.

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Post by PeterMac on 11.08.13 7:41

@tigger wrote:
@Martin wrote:I've never understood about the 'chemtrails'. What are they supposed to be spraying, and where does this stuff end up? I always
thought it was vapour due to the height that the planes are flying.
I hardly ever see chem trails over NL. Yet Schiphol is one of the busiest airports in the world.
And that is the point. Planes over NL are not high enough for the water vapour in the exhaust to condense.
Here in Southern Spain we see the planes coming up from South Africa to London, at immense height, and can often see the vapour trail, but not the plane.

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Post by happychick on 11.08.13 8:23

@Angelique wrote:This is not some wild conspiracy theory - it's really happening - just look at the sky during the day and watch the planes flying overhead. I have countless photo's of these planes spraying the atmosphere. I wonder what is the point of recycling and trying to save the planet when all the while our Government are in the process of polluting the atmosphere and poisoning the air we breathe without our permission.
I don't understand this. Why would the government poison us? Surely they would be poisoning themselves and their own children too?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.08.13 8:30

@Angelique wrote:I am so glad this issue has arrived at last. I have been wanting to post about this issue for some time but was unsure where to put it or even whether to post it at all. So if you disagree that's fine...
Angelique, I do disagree. The white trails in the sky are indeed condensation trails - which sometimes mutate into real clouds.

The only significant chemical interference from the air is (1) crop spraying at low level with fertilisers, insecticides etc. or (2) iodine spraying at a much higher leverl, which I think (I'm not sure) is designed to stimulate clouds into producing moisture and precipitation, i.e. rain.

This Wikipedia article is I think fair and accurate on the subject:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

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Post by Angelique on 11.08.13 9:53

Tony

Thank you for your reply and it's ok to disagree as I pointed out in my post.

Everyone can have their opinion on Chemtrails but I don't think it is a conspiracy. Everyone must make their own decision.

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Post by PeterMac on 11.08.13 10:42

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Angelique wrote:I am so glad this issue has arrived at last. I have been wanting to post about this issue for some time but was unsure where to put it or even whether to post it at all. So if you disagree that's fine...
Angelique, I do disagree. The white trails in the sky are indeed condensation trails - which sometimes mutate into real clouds.
The only significant chemical interference from the air is (1) crop spraying at low level with fertilisers, insecticides etc. or (2) iodine spraying at a much higher leverl, which I think (I'm not sure) is designed to stimulate clouds into producing moisture and precipitation, i.e. rain.
This Wikipedia article is I think fair and accurate on the subject:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
And if they were not, the conspiracy would have to involve
Plane manufacturers
Plane safety inspectors
Plane maintenance engineers
Pilots
Co-pilots
Flight Engineers
The people who teach the above
The people whose job it is to re-fill the alleged tanks
Chemical companies
Delivery men
Air traffic controllers - across the world
And many, many more
And all retired employees in every one of the above categories.


Not absolutely impossible - but rather unlikely !

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Post by Guest on 11.08.13 11:04

@Angelique wrote:Tony

Thank you for your reply and it's ok to disagree as I pointed out in my post.

Everyone can have their opinion on Chemtrails but I don't think it is a conspiracy. Everyone must make their own decision.
IMO I don't think it's a conspiracy either, I've read about Chemtrails before, this is one I found in interesting

http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2010/05/09/chemtrail-chemicals-confirmed-barium-aluminium-found-in-whangarei-rainwater/

 In the same piece is this:

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THE TELEGRAPH ARTICLE
The Metropolitan Police has secret spy planes capable of eavesdropping on mobile phone calls from the sky. The existence of the fleet of planes – each costing at least £3 million to purchase and hundreds of thousands more to operate – has never been publicly disclosed.

PeterMack, Could depend on who they are working for, possible they could have more than just a pact

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Post by PeterMac on 11.08.13 11:40

Cherry Blossom wrote:
 In the same piece is this:
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THE TELEGRAPH ARTICLE
The Metropolitan Police has secret spy planes capable of eavesdropping on mobile phone calls from the sky. The existence of the fleet of planes – each costing at least £3 million to purchase and hundreds of thousands more to operate – has never been publicly disclosed.

PeterMack, Could depend on who they are working for, possible they could have more than just a pact
What a brilliant article. The writer lists the unmarked planes which have ben flying round his estate for the last 9 years.
The list includes a 747 ! (The Jumbo jet)
According to a recent Telegraph article regarding these mysterious unmarked aircraft, the Met would only admit to just 3 aircraft, that they have been flying around London since, 1997. However, I have counted over 20 different types of unmarked aircraft/helicopters, including 4 main commercial type passenger aircraft, that have been used since 1997. they are; 2 x 727′s, 737, & a 747 passenger type planes.
These particular aircraft are flying low over Tabard Gardens & toward London’s Heathrow Airport. However, these unmarked aircraft are not flying to Heathrow or any other airport, all they are doing, is just going around in circles, over our estate, for 18 hours a day.
I think he is long overdue a visit by men in white coats.

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Post by Guest on 11.08.13 12:51

@PeterMac wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
 In the same piece is this:
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THE TELEGRAPH ARTICLE
The Metropolitan Police has secret spy planes capable of eavesdropping on mobile phone calls from the sky. The existence of the fleet of planes – each costing at least £3 million to purchase and hundreds of thousands more to operate – has never been publicly disclosed.

PeterMack, Could depend on who they are working for, possible they could have more than just a pact
What a brilliant article. The writer lists the unmarked planes which have ben flying round his estate for the last 9 years.
The list includes a 747 !   (The Jumbo jet)
According to a recent Telegraph article regarding these mysterious unmarked aircraft, the Met would only admit to just 3 aircraft, that they have been flying around London since, 1997. However, I have counted over 20 different types of unmarked aircraft/helicopters, including 4 main commercial type passenger aircraft, that have been used since 1997. they are; 2 x 727′s, 737, & a 747 passenger type planes.
These particular aircraft are flying low over Tabard Gardens & toward London’s Heathrow Airport. However, these unmarked aircraft are not flying to Heathrow or any other airport, all they are doing, is just going around in circles, over our estate, for 18 hours a day.
I think he is long overdue a visit by men in white coats.
 Probably me too  big grin  still keeping an open mind

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Post by Guest on 11.08.13 13:14

If there were aircraft like that going over where I live for hours every day, the men in white would have long since carted me away. The noise of the occasional police helicopter or air ambulance has me nearly banging my head on the wall.

Surely nobody could stand it?

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Global Warming - or not.

Post by PeterMac on 11.08.13 14:09

Back to the thread . . .
The UK is a product of global warming - the end of the last ice age.
Before the melt of 10 - 8,000 years ago Britain was part of Europe, and the Dogger bank was inhabited.
Then the melt started and the sea rose and flooded the "entire earth".
Well if you were living there how would you know any different.
The civilisations around the coasts of most of the world were flooded, and the artefacts and buildings are being discovered all the time.   (Coastal belt regions are where most people live, even today.) India, Greece, Japan, everywhere with old civilisations.
Those who noticed in time moved uphlll, with all their animals. Some got trapped on what became islands and drowned (See Dogger Bank - earlier)
So almost all civilisations have a Flood Legend.  And it was real.
The Black sea and the flooding as the waters from the Med poured over the lip was possible one of the fastest, and caused by the sudden breach in the Glacier wall in Canada  / USA which sent vast amounts of water in a very short time.
When your entire farmland, houses and everything you know is very quickly and relentlessly flooded, even if over a period of a year or so, you are likely to think that the end of your world had come.
So the bright ones do the only thing possible, some even build rafts for the animals that need them, and move.
And when you get to higher ground and it all settles down and you till new fields and plant new crops, over a couple of generations, you sit round the fire and tell the story, over and over again.

But you can't yet write it down, so over time spans become cubits, 40 years becomes 40 moons, becomes 40 days.  Half a dozen sheep, and handful of piglets, a goose or two, some chickens and a couple of goats become two of every living thing, and the fact that your family is the only one around in that area, so far as you know, means that everyone else, everywhere, is dead.   And since you have no idea that a glacier has melted in the USA, it must have been the rain.   There has to be an explanation for everything.  Young people demand explanations from older people, and older people have to provide one to maintain their status.   "I don't know" is not an option, for modern Judges, politicians, or pundits.  They have to provide an explanation - for everything that may be found, or not found,

This is only 8000 years ago. 6000 BC

Is global warming a good or a bad thing, or is it entirely neutral ? Discuss.

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Post by Angelique on 11.08.13 14:24

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:If there were aircraft like that going over where I live for hours every day, the men in white would have long since carted me away. The noise of the occasional police helicopter or air ambulance has me nearly banging my head on the wall.

Surely nobody could stand it?
Yes, quite, we have three planes working in unison. One I call an "observer plane", one high altitude plane which does the spraying when called upon and one I call the "spotter". Yes, they do drive me mad they fly around all day, especially the obs. plane. Maybe I am due a visit from the "men in White coats" too! But if you live in the area near me you would be very worried.

Cherry Blossom

Yes an open mind is what is needed me thinks :)

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Post by Angelique on 11.08.13 14:29

PeterMac

I think the two things are related. The issue of whether we were heading for a real global warming or just climate change has been debated long and hard resulting in the global warmists hijacking the words climate change to use as their own. But the issue of whether we are heating up is dealt with by what is happening in the USA. This "might be happening" spraying is what many Americans believe to be the US Governments response to climate change. They have attempted and failed and instead are polluting the atmosphere. But this is only my opinion and I will agree that it is slightly off the wall but I do think the two subjects are related.

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Post by plebgate on 11.08.13 14:51

@Martin wrote:I've never understood about the 'chemtrails'. What are they supposed to be spraying, and where does this stuff end up? I always
thought it was vapour due to the height that the planes are flying.

For me, the biggest scandal is the millions of pounds, dollars and euros that we're being taxed to fill the pockets of the green crusaders. Just look at the recently released criminal Chris Huhne who's landed a very lucrative number. I'm more concerned about the massive grants and subsidies that landowners recieve for having wind turbines/bird mincers on their land. If memory serves me right, a member of Cameron's family does quite well out of it.

Again, I don't know much about the chemtrails and how it'll affect the weather. Anyway you can always see how many fuel guzzlers are in the air here .....

 http://planefinder.net/
clapping1 big clap for this post.

The Queen does rather well out of it all also as apparently she owns the seabeds in GB.

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Post by Angelique on 12.08.13 11:32

PeterMac wrote:

"And if they were not, the conspiracy would have to involve
Plane manufacturers
Plane safety inspectors
Plane maintenance engineers
Pilots
Co-pilots
Flight Engineers
The people who teach the above
The people whose job it is to re-fill the alleged tanks
Chemical companies
Delivery men
Air traffic controllers - across the world
And many, many more
And all retired employees in every one of the above categories."

Yes I understand this objection. One of the videos on YouTube includes a statement that many people thought the same but in regard to claims of land pollution to farmers who may claim via insurance companies who would inevitably bring in their lawyers. So they think that it was decided to take it " in house" as it were and put it in the hands of the military so that there could be no claims against the lawyers and they would then be protected. If this is the case in the UK then all of these issues would be addressed.

Incidentally, there was a report on the local radio station about complaints of these planes continually flying during the day. The excuse was "surveying". This is funny really because there is actually a survey being done but the first part finished which was aerial a while ago and would not entails this continuous flying or a high altitude jet. I personally know one of the geologists and his father and when I suggested my "conspiracy theory" to him using vague suggestions of what I believe to be happening he seemed to know all about it! We also had a recent item on the news about "yellow water" in the water system. Outrage from a customer saying, "we pay the highest water rate and they deliver yellow water. The regional water supplier had told him it was safe to drink, but he wasn't having it. I also had a visit from this water supplier as I was concerned about my supply - I have yet to hear from them. But the engineer did ask me if I had experienced yellow water so it must be happening to other people. The supplier stated it was magnesium - maybe it was - who can say.  Needless to say I put a glass outside to catch rainwater and that was yellow too! Such fun!

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Post by Guest on 12.08.13 15:20

Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
[*]The Observer, Sunday 21 April 2002 10.23 BST

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.
Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.
While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.
The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution

Read more:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

Last sentence

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

No they won't discuss ongoing research because imo it's still going on.

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Post by PeterMac on 12.08.13 15:34

@Angelique wrote:
But the engineer did ask me if I had experienced yellow water so it must be happening to other people. The supplier stated it was magnesium - maybe it was - who can say.  Needless to say I put a glass outside to catch rainwater and that was yellow too! Such fun!
It happens here frequently. Yellow rain. Next time it rains, in early September, the cars will be covered in yellow powder.

It is the dust off the Sahara desert. The same stuff that is locked up in the Jurassic limestone all around us, and which is dribbling out as the limestone dissolves, to give the local terra rossa. You can see the process on any local cliff face. The jurassic was a very hot period, warm oceans, high CO2 levels, with lots of microscopic algae creating their minuscule shells out of calcium and carbon dioxide. They fell into the deep ocean to form chalk, limestone and marble, but it was hot on land as well, so very dry and dusty, with the dust blowing out into the sea and becoming incorporated into the strata.
Or perhaps Jurassic aliens !

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Post by Guest on 12.08.13 16:47

@PeterMac wrote:
@Angelique wrote:
But the engineer did ask me if I had experienced yellow water so it must be happening to other people. The supplier stated it was magnesium - maybe it was - who can say.  Needless to say I put a glass outside to catch rainwater and that was yellow too! Such fun!
It happens here frequently. Yellow rain.  Next time it rains, in early September, the cars will be covered in yellow powder.

It is the dust off the Sahara desert. The same stuff that is locked up in the Jurassic limestone all around us, and which is dribbling out as the limestone dissolves, to give the local terra rossa. You can see the process on any local cliff face.   The jurassic was a very hot period, warm oceans, high CO2 levels, with lots of microscopic algae creating their minuscule shells out of calcium and carbon dioxide.  They fell into the deep ocean to form chalk, limestone and marble, but it was hot on land as well, so very dry and dusty, with the dust blowing out into the sea and becoming incorporated into the strata.
Or perhaps Jurassic aliens !
Blame my husband. 

We were sat on a sand dune in the Sahara Desert watching the sun set. He grabbed a handful of sand and threw it in the air. The sand is so fine and light that it just floated away on the gentle breeze. 

So next time you get that dusty yellow rain blame Mr Poe ...however, he denies all knowledge of yellow snow rotfl

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