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Post by sharonl on 02.08.13 21:53

We may have guessed - Scotland Yard did a wonderful job but were let down by the Portuguese.

Take this with a large dose of salt - its in the Star
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Police bust-up sparks fear for Madeleine McCann investigation

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/329872/Police-bust-up-sparks-fear-for-Madeleine-McCann-investigation

THE TV investigator who exposed Jimmy Savile as a paedophile claims UK police face a clash with Portuguese investigators over the Madeleine McCann mystery
 

By Jerry Lawton/Published 1st August 2013


maddie, madeleine, mccann, gerry, case, review, abduction, alive, dead,The Maddie McCann investigation is likely to suffer because of the police dispute

Former officer Mark Williams-Thomas, 42, whose ITV documentary lifted the lid on Savile’s abuse, said the relationship between British and Portuguese police was “very tense”.

He claimed on Twitter it was “far from agreed” that the two forces would cooperate in the search for Madeleine, who vanished aged three while on holiday in Portugal in 2007.

Portugal’s law chiefs have received a letter from Home Secretary Theresa May asking for permission to base UK officers there.

But the Portuguese Attorney-General’s office said yesterday: “There is currently no timetable for when and how we will proceed.”

“The British authorities cannot carry out interviews or make inquiries in Portugual without being accompanied by public prosecutors.

Madeleine disapeared from a holiday apartment in Portugal's Praia da Luz during May of 2007Madeleine disapeared from a holiday apartment in Portugal's Praia da Luz during May of 2007


“Relationship btwn UK police & Portuguese over Mets saying they will investigate Madeleine’s disappearance is very tense & far from agreed”
Mr Williams Thomas via Twitter
Mr Williams Thomas tweeted: “Home Sec sends request to Portugal asking if Mets can begin a new investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

“Relationship between UK police & Portuguese over Mets saying they will investigate Madeleine’s disappearance is very tense & far from agreed.”

Then-three-year-old Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia La Luz in May 2007.

Portuguese police, who were assisted by officers from the McCanns’ home force in Leicestershire, archived the case as an unsolved mystery.

Earlier this month Met Police, who started reviewing the investigation two years ago following a personal plea from the McCanns to the Prime Minister, said the operation had thrown up “new evidence, new witnesses, new thinking and new theories”.

They launched their own inquiry after identifying 38 potential suspects across five countries including Portugal and the UK.

Twelve of them are Brits.

Under international law UK detectives cannot arrest or interview witnesses on Portuguese soil.

But they can observe as local police carry out inquiries on their behalf.

If approval is given the Met is expected to seek new forensic evidence and pursue hundreds of possible leads its review is understood to have uncovered.

Scotland Yard declined to comment.

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Post by aiyoyo on 03.08.13 1:38

What does MWT know reallY?  Remember he was in the living room of Tia Sharp's grandma with a corpse above his head....?

He's just an attention seeker who wants to give the impression that he's inside info from a low level constable, just to inflate his self importance perhaps. I don't trust that man as far as I can spit.

Anyway *tense* meaning what?  That both sides could not see eye to eye on refining the points of agreement or they did not have a common goal. Unless we are told the cause for the tension it is pointless to insinuate anything and MWT of all people should know better.

Thus far, the UK Police have never criticised the Portuguese, and I believe that will never happen.

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Post by tigger on 03.08.13 5:55

MTW  like the fragrant ( I.e. smelling of sewage) Ray Wyre is one of these 'experts' that one finds creeping out when you turn over a stone. 

I doubt that he knows even half of what the average forum member here knows on the facts of the case. I expect he gets his facts from The Sun and he's probably aiming for stardom via Lorraine Kelly.

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Post by plebgate on 03.08.13 8:08

Yet again, nothing new in this report.

It is just several smaller items reported over the last couple of weeks put together to make it a "news" item for the weekend.

Why the do they state that the reporter who broke the Jimmy Saville story is the writer of this "important" piece of news?

Snipped from Aiyoyo's post above:

"What does MWT know reallY? Remember he was in the living room of Tia Sharp's grandma with a corpse above his head....?"

Exactly.




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Post by Tony Bennett on 03.08.13 8:55

@tigger wrote:MTW  like the fragrant ( I.e. smelling of sewage) Ray Wyre is one of these 'experts' that one finds creeping out when you turn over a stone. 

I doubt that he knows even half of what the average forum member here knows on the facts of the case. I expect he gets his facts from The Sun and he's probably aiming for stardom via Lorraine Kelly.
Correction, tigger: MWT not MTW.

Here is one small item from "The Wisdom of Mark Thomas-Williams" (I am building up quite a collection, together with a bio of him):


A child protection specialist, Mark Williams-Thomas, who believes that Joana's and Madeleine's disappearances are related, commented that the disappearance of two children unknown to each other, within a period of four years in a seven-mile radius, would be a huge coincidence, especially considering that "Portugal is a small country with very, very few abductions..."


He considered that Joana Cipriano 'disappeared' and was abducted.

Just how wrong can you be about so much?

Not good for a self-proclaimed 'child protection specialist'

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Post by GRACEFUL1 on 03.08.13 9:02

In my opinion the British Police (Met) are playing a double bluff with their Portuguese counterparts - I think it goes right back to when the Portuguese police, who were assisted by officers from the McCanns’ home force in Leicestershire, archived the case as an unsolved mystery. They knew the McCanns were guilty but lacked the evidence to hold them in Portugal so the case was archived. But as many have said slowly slowly catchy monkey - they have arranged it so that the McCanns themselves requested a review leading to an investigation. All the alleged "new leads, new evidence, new witnesses, new thinking and new theories”. are in my opinion bait or red herrings! Somehow if this case was ever to be moved forward the tapas nine would have to be persuaded to return to Portugal to perform a reconstruction - but how could they brought to this point? By the Met assuring the tapas nine they have been discounted from the investigation.  We are informed that Under international law UK detectives cannot arrest or interview witnesses on Portuguese soil, but they can observe as local police carry out inquiries on their behalf. According to the British press there is a police bust-up which sparks fear for Madeleine McCann investigation. Where do we go from here. Simple my dear Watson - the collaborative forces continue with Portugal taking the lead and insisting that the investigation can only begin where it was abruptly left off with that vital reconstruction. With the whole world watching - how could the tapas nine refuse to co-operate?

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Post by tigger on 03.08.13 9:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@tigger wrote:MTW  like the fragrant ( I.e. smelling of sewage) Ray Wyre is one of these 'experts' that one finds creeping out when you turn over a stone. 

I doubt that he knows even half of what the average forum member here knows on the facts of the case. I expect he gets his facts from The Sun and he's probably aiming for stardom via Lorraine Kelly.
Correction, tigger: MWT not MTW.

Here is one small item from "The Wisdom of Mark Thomas-Williams" (I am building up quite a collection, together with a bio of him):


A child protection specialist, Mark Williams-Thomas, who believes that Joana's and Madeleine's disappearances are related, commented that the disappearance of two children unknown to each other, within a period of four years in a seven-mile radius, would be a huge coincidence, especially considering that "Portugal is a small country with very, very few abductions..."


He considered that Joana Cipriano 'disappeared' and was abducted.

Just how wrong can you be about so much?

Not good for a self-proclaimed 'child protection specialist'

It's worth having information on such as MWT - I read the same statement elsewhere in a blog full of inaccuracies and wild statements regarding the incompetence of the Portuguese police.

As far as the cooperation between the PJ and SY is concerned, I expect that the PJ is on a tight budget, like the rest of Portugal, after all the mud-slinging hardly in the mood to do pointless work when time can be better spent on their own affairs.

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Post by Guest on 03.08.13 9:52

I rather think that "The Wisdom of Mark Williams-Thomas" will prove to be a weighty tome to rival "War and Peace".
 
A short clip of him from ITV's Daybreak.
 
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-15/tia-sharps-family-were-living-with-a-monster/

Thankfully, only one word from Lorraine Kelly at the end, saying "Dreadful".

Yes it is awful when the person responsible for a terrible crime turns out to be someone known and trusted - it's hardly a rarity though.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 03.08.13 10:00

@tigger wrote:It's worth having information on such as MWT...
 Seems you either love MWT or hate him. Here's one view of him circulating on the internet:

QUOTE

Mark is a fake.
All his police history is fake.
Constables cannot lead murder enquiries as Mark claims to have done.
Inspectors and above lead murder enquiries.
Mark was a Constable not an Inspector so he could not have the police experience that he claims to have had.
Once he got into one newspaper, all the others assumed it was true and contacted him too, so did the police and no one checked his background and so the legend was born.
They really put him on the spot and he squirmed and wriggled trying to get publicity for his next show.
At last people are daring to doubt his integrity.
Someone is going to score a bullseye when they investigate this man.
Go to his website...he falsely claims to be a criminologist...


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Out of scrupulous fairness to MWT, here's what he says about himself:

Current Activities

Mark has a high profile in the media and is a regular face on television as being a presenter for ITV’s flagship current affairs programme, ‘Tonight’, as well as a reporter for the BBC One Show , and BBCNewsnight

Mark’s recent programmes include BBC One Show ‘Facebook’ and on  ITV Tonight –‘Online Bullies’ and the series, ‘To Catch a Paedophile’ which involved spending 18 months with unique access following the Metropolitan Police Child Abuse Command Unit. This progranme tackled the growing problem of Online Paedophiles and was nominated from over 900 entries from 35 countries for the BANFF World Television Awards.

Mark has also recently reported for BBCNewsnight , in which he addressed a serious concern regarding the lack of a National child abuse material database in the UK.
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Qualifications

Masters [sic] of Art – November 2007

Post Graduate Diploma (Commendation) – June 2007

Mark is a former police detective who has far-reaching experience of working at the centre of high profile investigations. During Mark’s police service, he specialised in major crime and child protection and he is renowned throughout the UK’s police forces as well as the national media for his expertise in these areas.

Articles

Media, Crime and Ideology

How safe is your daughter online?

Paedophiles in Treatment

The hidden face of female child sex offender

TV Programmes

To Catch a Paedophile - series: http://www.youtube.com/user/MWT579#p/u/4/NUCVdL5ZNrM  and http://www.youtube.com/user/MWT579#p/u/5/YAS6XOsEd0s

Online Bullying

Police vs Public:

BBC Newsnight - Child Abuse database

BBC One Show - Social Networking Paedophiles

BBC Radio4 Moral Maze - Paedophiles

More at www.williams-thomas.co.uk

Research:

Child protection, major crime, murder, abductions.

Mark appears regualy in the media, as a broadcaster, commentator and advisor

Mark features regularly on the BBC,ITV, Sky News, GMTV and other television channels as a criminologist and child protection expert. Bringing with him his wealth of experience as a hands on former Detective.

Mark is able to provide a new dimension to many of the criminological problems facing today's society – for example, how the police investigate major crime and the risk management of sex offenders in the community."

He is one of the country's leading child protection experts - appearing and lecturing on the risk management and assessment of sex offenders.

He is also leading authority on missing and abducted children. *

Prior to setting up WT Associates in 2005, Mark was a police Detective specialising in major crime. With considerable experience of investigating major paedophile and murder investigations, as well as being one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers during his time in the police.

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*  Hmmm...is this the same Mark Williams-Thomas who says that brutally murdered Joana Cipriano was 'abducted' and who says that the cases of Joana Cipriano and Madeleine are linked?

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Post by PeterMac on 03.08.13 10:10

Do we know his service record, date of appointment etc

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Post by Tony Bennett on 03.08.13 10:23

@PeterMac wrote:Do we know his service record, date of appointment etc.?
He worked for several years, between 6 and 10 I think, for Surrey Police, reaching the dizzy rank of Detective Constable, so far as we are told, anyway. The reasons for his hasty departure from the force are shrouded in secrecy.

What we do know however is the considered view of this self-proclaimed leading criminologist, expert on missing and abducted children, famous TV personality etc. etc. etc,

Here it is:


Published on 1 May 2009


Madeleine McCann was probably abducted after walking out of her holiday apartment in search of her parents, according to an expert on her disappearance.

Criminologist Mark Williams-Thomas said it was unlikely an abductor entered apartment 5a at the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz, Portugal.

The former detective said Madeleine was probably snatched by an opportunistic paedophile as she looked for her parents as they ate with friends at a nearby tapas bar.

He said publicly-available evidence leads him to believe the three-year-old arranged her toys on her bed and left through the unlocked patio door.

Mr Williams-Thomas said the case bears striking similarities to the murder of Sarah Payne who was snatched in West Sussex nine years ago.

He said: "Is it unreasonable to presume that Madeleine woke up and then went in search of her parents at a restaurant within a holiday complex that she had grown familiar with over the course of her holiday?

"Neatly tucking up her toys, she slipped out of the apartment through an insecure patio door.

"This seems all the more credible given what we know happened to eight-year-old Sarah Payne who was abducted in July 2000, even though she was only out of sight of her family for a matter of seconds."

Mr Williams-Thomas made his comments after reviewing more than 10,000 documents amassed by Portuguese police during their investigation.

He said an abductor would not have arranged the toys on the bed as he would have wanted to escape as quickly as possible.

The expert said a paedophile may have also chosen to take one of the younger and more defenceless twins, Sean and Amelie, who were sleeping nearby.

Gerry McCann has revealed Madeleine asked her parents during the holiday why they had not come when the twins had been crying.

Mr Williams-Thomas said: "Based on the evidence provided from within the case files it is more likely that she was abducted after she had left the apartment. A number of factors suggest that this is the likely scenario."

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Post by windchime on 03.08.13 10:41

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Do we know his service record, date of appointment etc.?
He worked for several years, between 6 and 10 I think, for Surrey Police, reaching the dizzy rank of Detective Constable, so far as we are told, anyway. The reasons for his hasty departure from the force are shrouded in secrecy.

What we do know however is the considered view of this self-proclaimed leading criminologist, expert on missing and abducted children, famous TV personality etc. etc. etc,

Here it is:


Published on 1 May 2009


Madeleine McCann was probably abducted after walking out of her holiday apartment in search of her parents, according to an expert on her disappearance.

Criminologist Mark Williams-Thomas said it was unlikely an abductor entered apartment 5a at the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz, Portugal.

The former detective said Madeleine was probably snatched by an opportunistic paedophile as she looked for her parents as they ate with friends at a nearby tapas bar.

He said publicly-available evidence leads him to believe the three-year-old arranged her toys on her bed and left through the unlocked patio door.

Mr Williams-Thomas said the case bears striking similarities to the murder of Sarah Payne who was snatched in West Sussex nine years ago.

He said: "Is it unreasonable to presume that Madeleine woke up and then went in search of her parents at a restaurant within a holiday complex that she had grown familiar with over the course of her holiday?

"Neatly tucking up her toys, she slipped out of the apartment through an insecure patio door.

"This seems all the more credible given what we know happened to eight-year-old Sarah Payne who was abducted in July 2000, even though she was only out of sight of her family for a matter of seconds."

Mr Williams-Thomas made his comments after reviewing more than 10,000 documents amassed by Portuguese police during their investigation.

He said an abductor would not have arranged the toys on the bed as he would have wanted to escape as quickly as possible.

The expert said a paedophile may have also chosen to take one of the younger and more defenceless twins, Sean and Amelie, who were sleeping nearby.

Gerry McCann has revealed Madeleine asked her parents during the holiday why they had not come when the twins had been crying.

Mr Williams-Thomas said: "Based on the evidence provided from within the case files it is more likely that she was abducted after she had left the apartment. A number of factors suggest that this is the likely scenario."
'MBM was probably abducted after walking out of her holiday apartment in search of her parents'

He forgot to add here - 'and before she left she cleverly placed some blood splatters and traces of death in the lounge and her parents bedroom, then cleaned the apartment thoroughly leaving no other traces of her DNA, took the twins toothbrushes and carefully hid them and then left through the open patio door trying desperately to open the shutters of her bedroom window (with gloves on of course) to let a bit of light in before she then opened the stairgate and
wandered down to the road to find her parents' 

Criminologist my a**e!!

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Post by sallypelt on 03.08.13 11:00

@windchime wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Do we know his service record, date of appointment etc.?
He worked for several years, between 6 and 10 I think, for Surrey Police, reaching the dizzy rank of Detective Constable, so far as we are told, anyway. The reasons for his hasty departure from the force are shrouded in secrecy.

What we do know however is the considered view of this self-proclaimed leading criminologist, expert on missing and abducted children, famous TV personality etc. etc. etc,

Here it is:


Published on 1 May 2009


Madeleine McCann was probably abducted after walking out of her holiday apartment in search of her parents, according to an expert on her disappearance.

Criminologist Mark Williams-Thomas said it was unlikely an abductor entered apartment 5a at the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz, Portugal.

The former detective said Madeleine was probably snatched by an opportunistic paedophile as she looked for her parents as they ate with friends at a nearby tapas bar.

He said publicly-available evidence leads him to believe the three-year-old arranged her toys on her bed and left through the unlocked patio door.

Mr Williams-Thomas said the case bears striking similarities to the murder of Sarah Payne who was snatched in West Sussex nine years ago.

He said: "Is it unreasonable to presume that Madeleine woke up and then went in search of her parents at a restaurant within a holiday complex that she had grown familiar with over the course of her holiday?

"Neatly tucking up her toys, she slipped out of the apartment through an insecure patio door.

"This seems all the more credible given what we know happened to eight-year-old Sarah Payne who was abducted in July 2000, even though she was only out of sight of her family for a matter of seconds."

Mr Williams-Thomas made his comments after reviewing more than 10,000 documents amassed by Portuguese police during their investigation.

He said an abductor would not have arranged the toys on the bed as he would have wanted to escape as quickly as possible.

The expert said a paedophile may have also chosen to take one of the younger and more defenceless twins, Sean and Amelie, who were sleeping nearby.

Gerry McCann has revealed Madeleine asked her parents during the holiday why they had not come when the twins had been crying.

Mr Williams-Thomas said: "Based on the evidence provided from within the case files it is more likely that she was abducted after she had left the apartment. A number of factors suggest that this is the likely scenario."
'MBM was probably abducted after walking out of her holiday apartment in search of her parents'

He forgot to add here - 'and before she left she cleverly placed some blood splatters and traces of death in the lounge and her parents bedroom, then cleaned the apartment thoroughly leaving no other traces of her DNA, took the twins toothbrushes and carefully hid them and then left through the open patio door trying desperately to open the shutters of her bedroom window (with gloves on of course) to let a bit of light in before she then opened the stairgate and
wandered down to the road to find her parents' 

Criminologist my a**e!!

Ask the dogs, Mr William-Thomas

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Post by Guest on 03.08.13 11:09

Here again for what (little) it's worth is his LinkedIn profile.
 
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/mark-williams-thomas-ma-pg-dip/3/884/2b5

Note that his only reference to the Surrey Police was for the year 2009-10!

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Post by Guest on 03.08.13 11:53

So what has he been doing before 2005-2007?

Here he's explaining on May 10, 2007, what the PJ should have done ... If it wasn't so sad, I'd say it's a joke.


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Post by Guest on 03.08.13 12:24

I'm sure that, when I looked at his LinkedIn profile originally, he stated that he was in the police force from 1989 to 2000 and from then till 2005 he studied at Birmingham University.

A risky venture indeed in 2000 when he had three young children to support.

I'm still chortling at the concept of a distressed child (that's not funny in itself of course) tidying up her toys before venturing out in the dark to look for her parents.

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Post by sallypelt on 03.08.13 12:36

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I'm sure that, when I looked at his LinkedIn profile originally, he stated that he was in the police force from 1989 to 2000 and from then till 2005 he studied at Birmingham University.

A risky venture indeed in 2000 when he had three young children to support.

I'm still chortling at the concept of a distressed child (that's not funny in itself of course) tidying up her toys before venturing out in the dark to look for her parents.

After leaving Surrey Police, the former detective made a name for himself as one of the UK’s leading child protection experts, fronting reports on BBC’s Newsnight and ITV Tonight.

And it was while working on another investigation in 2011 he received a call from a journalist asking him about Sir Jimmy Savile, then seen as an eccentric DJ and TV presenter.

“The journalist suggested I contact an individual about allegations that Savile was an abuser,” said Mr Williams-Thomas, who is currently working towards a PhD in criminology at Birmingham City University.

“I was in the middle of making another programme, so I couldn’t do it straight away – but then Savile died in October 2011.

“When I did eventually make contact with that person, it was quite clear that there was definitely something there.”

Mr Williams-Thomas was then contacted by BBC’s Newsnight programme, asking if he would be interviewed as part of an investigation into the Jim’ll Fix It host.


Don't you just love these "so up their own a**e" people, who "expose" crimes AFTER the filthy criminal has died.  Also, Mr William-Thomas is so busy on Twitter, promoting his own interests, it makes one wonder where he has time to do anything else.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 03.08.13 12:52

'MBM was probably abducted after walking out of her holiday apartment in search of her parents'
MWT.
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Well that must have been AFTER GM/JW had finished 'chatting' to each other from opposite sides of the street!

Because Gerry has just 'seen' her in her bed. (so she did NOT use the patio doors to walk out of.)

If she has 'walked' out of the apartment then it MUST have been AFTER JW has walked back to his apartment, and not seeing a little child 'wandering' about!

And THAT completely blows the 'timelines' given by T9 apart!

It also means then, that it was IMPOSSIBLE that JT could have 'seen' anyone carrying off anyone!
At the 'time' she said she did!

She said she saw ' carrying child' at the EXACT time GM and JW were chatting to each other from different sides of the street!

SO, if MWT is 'right' that means GM and JT are totally 'wrong'!

No 'surprise' there!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 03.08.13 13:07

Châtelaine wrote:So what has he been doing before 2005-2007?

Here he's explaining on May 10, 2007, what the PJ should have done ... If it wasn't so sad, I'd say it's a joke.

Thank you very much Chatelaine for posting this very revealing 2-minute clip, on which I have the following observations:

1. It states as a fact that Mark Williams-Thomas was 'a former Child Protection Officer'. I am not absolutely sure that he was

2. Why at the this time had the Murdoch-owned SKY News been employing MWT as a lead commentator (and AFAIK continue to do so) on practically every child protection story in the news?

3. How much, over the years, has SKY News paid him for his pontifications?

4. When was he sent to Praia da Luz; he was clearly there on 10 May 2007?

5. Did he ever work in any capacity for the McCanns?

6. Why at this early stage was he already so critical of the Portuguese PoIice, despite the fact that they'd had 800 officers looking for Madeleine for a whole week?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 03.08.13 13:21

snipped:

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Attorney General's Office has given the OK to Scotland Yard to investigate

Marisa Rodrigues
Published 01 August 2013

IT IS CAUSING BAD FEELING within the Judicial Police (PJ) - the coming to Portugal of British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in 2007, from the Algarve. The Attorney General's Office (PGR) has accepted the request for assistance, but the timetable for the Scotland Yard officers has not yet been scheduled. For now, the investigation continues to be archived, since 2008, because "there are no grounds to reopen it," said the PGR, to JN yesterday.

Once on Portuguese territory, the British police cannot carry out the measures they deem necessary. They are only allowed to observe what the Portuguese police do, at their request. And it is precisely this question that is leaving investigators angry. "They want to hear people who have already been heard at the inquiry stage and repeat other steps which were taken by us and were inconclusive. They are passing us a certificate of incompetence," complained an inspector who participated in the investigation, to JN. Another policeman recalls the "barriers" that were placed when the PJ requested assistance in the initial investigation. "The letter of request to conduct investigations in England had to be changed several times by imposition of the British authorities. We collaborate, but the opposite is not always there," he says. The public prosecutor will now have to assign the execution of the inquiries to a criminal police body. Most likely it's the PJ but, from what JN has found, nothing has yet been reported to the National Office [of the PJ].

PORTUGUESE PAY

38 "persons of interest"

Have been identified by Scotland Yard after reviewing the Portuguese case files, by more than 30 specialized English policemen at a cost of more than five million euros.

Expensive investigation

All inquiries requested by the British authorities to the national authorities will be paid for with Portuguese taxpayers' money. The Maddie case is the most expensive ever in Portugal.

"Base in Portugal"

According to the British press, the letter with the formal request for cooperation was signed by the Home Secretary, Theresa May, who spoke of "setting up a base" in Portugal.

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"They want to hear people who have already been heard at the inquiry stage and repeat other steps which were taken by us and were inconclusive. They are passing us a certificate of incompetence,"

Interesting statement - they want to interview people who've already been interviewed.... (so not new witnesses then).

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So IF the Portuguese are 'paying' then without doubt they would be getting, and DEMANDING, their 'TUPPENCEWORTH' in HOW investigation 'proceeds'!

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Re: Police bust-up sparks fear for Madeleine McCann investigation

Post by Guest on 03.08.13 13:54

This is interesting MWT a PR man:

Saturday, 15 September 2007


PR expert Mark Williams-Thomas: “huge doubt" about “the integrity of the Chief-Inspector Gonçalo Amaral”



Mark Williams-Thomas, a former policeman and managing director of WT Associates, a PR company specialized in child protection, media handling and advice for high profile cases, urged Portuguese police to ditch the case against the McCann – a case that he classified as “ludicrous” - and follow another lead that he thinks could take PJ to the real kidnapper.

 The managing director of PR company WT Associates, who is usually introduced to Sky News viewers only as a “child protection expert” or “crime expert”, criticised Polícia Judiciária for not paying attention to “such a strong line of inquiry”. The PR expert referred that, even if “over 90% of murders are domestic-related”, he can’t “accept that Gerry and Kate as parents of the child could have been involved in her murder.”

For the managing director of WT Associates, “the answer to the case may lie in the disappearance of an eight-year-old Portuguese girl in 2004.” Joana Cipriano vanished from a village just seven miles from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine disappeared.

Leonor Cipriano and her brother, who had a incestuous relationship, were both sentenced to 16 years in jail, after appealing to Portuguese Supreme Court, for the murder of Joana Cipriano. Her body never appeared, but blood found inside the family’s refrigerator and the confession of Joana’s uncle were sufficient to convince the jury. Her case has been referred, by the British Media, in what seems to be an attempt to discredit Portuguese Police, comparing it with Madeleine’s case.

Joana Cipriano, who never confessed the crime, accused five CID officers of beating her. Later, she was not able to identify none of the five officers, when she was taken to a police line-up, behind a two-way mirror. The Public Prosecutor’s Office decide to charge the five CID officers ASFIC, the CID inspectors union filled a formal complaint against the Public Prosecutor's magistrate, because he didn’t included in the case's dossier the results of the police line up.

The fact that one of the officers accused in Chief-Inspector Gonçalo Amaral casts “huge doubt” to the managing director of WT Associates, who believes that Mr. Amaral should be ousted from the investigation of Madeleine’s case: “"Even if we work on the basis that he is innocent, given this allegation against him, he shouldn't have anything to do with the Madeleine investigation”, the PR expert told to Sky News.

Questioned yesterday, September 14, about his business relationship, as a expert also in media handling and advice for high profile cases, Mr. Mark Williams-Thomas initially confirmed that his company had a contract to provide services to the McCann. Asked to confirm some details of that business relationship, he changed his initial answer and denied any relationship, admitting only that he has “been in contact with the press officers for the family.”

We asked also to Sky News if they were aware of the fact that Mr Mark Williams-Thomas was also the owner and managing director of a PR company, as Sky News has invited almost every day, to comment about Madeleine McCan's case, introducing him only as a "child protection expert" or a "crime expert". We are waiting for Sky News answer to those questions.

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/pr-expert-mark-williams-thomas-huge.html

That man is so far up his own a""e he can see his own breakfast.

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Re: Police bust-up sparks fear for Madeleine McCann investigation

Post by sallypelt on 03.08.13 14:01

"he can’t “accept that Gerry and Kate as parents of the child could have been involved in her murder". Why did MWT mention "murder"? He needs to think before he puts his mouth into gear. And he says "can't believe that Gerry and Kate....". Shouldn't he, as a "professional" have said K and G McCann? Why personalise things. Also, a "PR". NOT ANOTHER ONE???

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Re: Police bust-up sparks fear for Madeleine McCann investigation

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.08.13 14:10

Châtelaine wrote:So what has he been doing before 2005-2007?

Here he's explaining on May 10, 2007, what the PJ should have done ... If it wasn't so sad, I'd say it's a joke.

Whilst world child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas was mouthing off against the Portuguese Police in Praia da Luz on 10 May 2007, the former world expert on child sexual abuse and sexual offending, the late Ray Wyre, was also very quick off the mark, with an article published in the Daily Telegraph the very same day. In fact, he had been quoted in another paper three days earlier.

Madeleine McCann is reported missing, and we are instantly given the 'benefit' of the combined wisdom of Ray Wyre (said to have been a 'guest' at the Elm Guest House by the way) and Mark Williams-Thomas.

Funny that.

Here are the details:

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What the Portuguese police must do

Daily Telegraph - By Ray Wyre - 10 May 2007
Last Updated: 2:06am BST 10/05/07


I have worked with men who have abducted and killed children. Often, their capture has failed to save the child and has not come about through good police work.

The planning needed to take the child cannot be overestimated. It was clear from the beginning in Portugal that we were dealing with an abduction and the need to "think offender" was essential.

What was his motivation? How would he initiate contact and target the child? How would he control the environment to evade discovery?

Portuguese police cannot ignore the UK's experience in such cases. In the early '90s a British paedophile group filmed the sexual abuse of Portuguese boys.

At one stage the Americans were so concerned about the role of British paedophiles in Portugal that I was approached about the targeting of schools there. International co-operation should be part of police thinking.

However, there is no culture of community policing in Portugal and they have laws that prevent the discussion of cases. This is clearly the wrong way round. The media are essential in passing co-ordinated and directed information to the community.

In this case, speculation is rife, confused messages are likely to be given.

The parents will be feeling guilty for leaving the children and even a half hour is a long time if a child wakes up and starts to cry immediately after one leaves the room.

This could, possibly, lead to a woman on her own, who has lost a child, saying to herself wrongly that the parents did not care for this child and deciding to take the girl home. No paedophile, no conspiracy - just a lonely woman.

The window of opportunity for the abductor means that the information given by the parents has to be very accurate. Police must help them to say exactly how long it was since they last saw their child.

The parents need to know that if this was an offender who planned the abduction then there is probably nothing they could have done.

I once asked an abductor who had killed girls how we could stop him. He said: “I suppose you would have to chain a child to the mother”. But he added: “No, that would not work. I would take both”.


Ray Wyre is an expert in sexual crime who worked in the UK Probation Service in the 1970s before specialising in programmes for sex offenders.

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Wyre quoted in The Times, 7 May 2007

Three days before this, Wyre had also been quoted in an article in The Times, by Dominic Kennedy.

The article, titled: “Nothing can stop a determined abductor, but there is a chance the child is still alive”, opened with this paragraph:

“If Madeleine McCann was abducted by a paedophile, there is a chance that she is still alive and can be saved by sensitive policing, according to Ray Wyre, a sexual crimes consultant. ‘Lately, there have been more and more cases where there has been an element of planning and an attempt to keep the child alive’, he said. Wyre added that: ‘To maximise the possibility of finding Madeleine alive, police must avoid doing anything to make the kidnapper panic. If he believes that they are about to move in and catch him, he may become so alarmed that he kills the child to stop her being a witness’.”.

Wyre was also quoted in the same article in relation to the activities of paedophiles in Portugal. He continued:

“Portugal is known to attract British paedophiles. A ring of 20 Britons set up there around 1990, filming sex acts with local boys and sending the tapes to Belgium and the Netherlands. Some were later jailed in England. The case helped to persuade the British Government to make it illegal for Britons to have sex with underage children abroad”.

The Times article concluded: “Mr Wyre went to Lisbon and became involved in the aftermath of that investigation. ‘There were still lots of connections and other things going on’, he said. ‘There have always been British paedophiles operating in Portugal’.

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Re: Police bust-up sparks fear for Madeleine McCann investigation

Post by jeanmonroe on 03.08.13 14:15

‘There have always been British paedophiles operating in Portugal’.

Does anyone have any reports and court case coverage of British Paedos who have or had been operating in Portugal?

There must be some reports somewhere.
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“Portugal is known to attract British paedophiles".

UNLIKE the 'care home' system in the UK!

"Figures released this week in wake of the Rochdale sex exploitation ring show that hundreds of girls in care are known to have been sexually abused in the past five years, with poorly trained staffed apparently powerless to prevent the abuse, according to the Children’s Society."

But according to these 'experts' it is Portugal that is the magnet!

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