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Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by loopzdaloop on 28.07.13 1:31

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:How do you submit an FOI request to SY?
Good question, and the Met Police do not, so far as I am aware, make it easy to find out how to do so.

It took me a while to find out anything about it on the Met Police website, and eventually all I could find was a box you had to fill in online on their website.

However, try these addresses:

IN WRITING:

Head of FOI Section
Public Access Office
Metropolitan Police
PO Box 57192
LONDON
SW6 1SF

BY EMAIL

PublicAccessOffice@met.police.uk

OR

SC&OFOIA@met.pnn.police.uk


I would also advise that you first read the website of the Information Commissioner for general guidance about what information can be asked for and how to go about it

No, please don't send requests like that.
Use www.whatdotheyknow.com it's quick and easy to use.
As it is public they will feel under more obligation to respond. Then we can all see!
Also, if you receive a nonsense response like Tony did, the website helps you To request an internal review, followed by a trip to the information comissioner.

Another great site for campaigning is www.writetothem.com, which can help you write to your mp, councillor and MEP in a jiffy.
I also happen to know that the more people that write to an mp on a matter the more likely they will take note.
I had a friend who was an assistant for an mp and used to tally up the 'issues".

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by whmon on 28.07.13 1:41

That is really, really good info Loopsdaloop!

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by Who?What?Where? on 28.07.13 2:47

I'm not at all convinced that the real truth will ever come out about this case, via a Court of Law.


It seems that there are too many financial obstacles', too many invested interest's, to overcome, for that to happen.

I think that there has been more effort displayed, on finding the real truth, about what happened to Madeleine, on this forum.

Some people on here, at their own expense, have shown more effort at getting to the real heart of the matter, than you will ever see from the whole legal system, as it stands', at the moment. The legal system expect's to get paid. There are, undoubtedly, a majority of people within the legal system, who try to do their job's properly, but I think that their effort's can be, easily, overwhelmed by the corruption within the system.


I try to remain thinking positively, but it's very, very, difficult, in a system as corrupt as this one is.

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by Angelique on 28.07.13 8:16

TB

I am utterly amazed at the response to your FOI request.

Are they trying to say Operation Grange are restricted to using "paper only" - this is 2013 after all.

Not heard about Spread Sheets or Data Bases then? They are not allowed any computers at all!

Just accepting it was/is so there must be a log book somewhere in the building.

What a way to run a Review. Maybe this is the indicator as to how they will try and get round having to ignore, what was it, 30,500 pages of evidence.

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by plebgate on 28.07.13 9:01

There are whistleblowers every where. In view of the latest post revealing the wall on which paedophiles recorded the names of their victims and potential victims (Jimmy Saville thread), I think it will be very difficult to ignore the findings of the Portugese Police.


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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by jeanmonroe on 28.07.13 11:43

@plebgate wrote:There are whistleblowers every where.    In view of the latest post revealing the wall on which paedophiles recorded the names of their victims and potential victims (Jimmy Saville thread),  I think it will be very difficult to ignore the findings of the Portugese Police.


And wouldn't such a whistle blower make an absolute fortune with 'exclusives' given outside the UK?

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Information requested cannot be collated?

Post by LHRO on 28.07.13 13:18

@Who?What?Where? wrote:Freedom Of Information......my a**e, as Jim Royle might say.

 So SY say it is too expensive to collate all the pieces of paper forms filled-out by officers. I don't beleive the forms were not recorded on computer. Ludicrous. spin

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by jeanmonroe on 28.07.13 13:25

@LHRO wrote:
@Who?What?Where? wrote:Freedom Of Information......my a**e, as Jim Royle might say.

 So SY say it is too expensive to collate all the pieces of paper forms filled-out by officers. I don't beleive the forms were not recorded on computer. Ludicrous. spin

Perhaps a certain N Betison (now freelance) is 'advising' them!

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by loopzdaloop on 28.07.13 16:04

@LHRO wrote:
@Who?What?Where? wrote:Freedom Of Information......my a**e, as Jim Royle might say.

 So SY say it is too expensive to collate all the pieces of paper forms filled-out by officers. I don't beleive the forms were not recorded on computer. Ludicrous. spin

Could always send a freedom of information request to enquire about the methods and procedures they use to store information. Then can go back to the original request (although slightly rewording it to meet their procedure) and see what response is given then!

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by lj on 28.07.13 19:17

@Angelique wrote:TB

I am utterly amazed at the response to your FOI request.

Are they trying to say Operation Grange are restricted to using "paper only" - this is 2013 after all.

Not heard about Spread Sheets or Data Bases then? They are not allowed any computers at all!

Just accepting it was/is so there must be a log book somewhere in the building.

What a way to run a Review. Maybe this is the indicator as to how they will try and get round having to ignore, what was it, 30,500 pages of evidence.

Especially while one of the messages they are trying to get out is that they have such a superior equipment compared to those Portuguese! Hilarious. We should post a petition asking for the public to donate for a computer for these poor detectives.

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by Guest on 28.07.13 19:54

Well ... I can, in fact, imagine that SY is not willingly going to part with that kind of information. Who went to PT, where they went, how often, what the costs were and ... ultimately what they were doing there. It IS a criminal investigation ...

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Post by aiyoyo on 28.07.13 20:14

@PeterMac wrote:This is the most abject drivel I have ever seen.
Of course they have a record of who went where and for how long. And it will be in one record.
The idea that they have to trawl through all their records is absurd.
They could just look at the expenses claims for a start.

2 portions of Fish and chips = operation in England
6 portions of Sardines and red wine = operation in Portugal



I dont believe that in this age of modern IT technology that expenses claims are not done online.  

Even if say SY still use the antiquated paper system laughat   and they can't do up the simple sums of 608 pieces of claims (38 officers x 16 trips) with help of calculator to solve the accounting figures, then what is the chance of them solving the case on 30,000 pieces (and possibly more from 3 strands) of Papers Review?aaagh 

If they wont divulge this info while Review is alive, then why can't they just say so instead of fobbing off the questions with a whole load of drivels?tearhairout 

Accountability and Transparency.........   Uhmmmm.......that's not going to happen!

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Re: Met Police: "It would take up too much time to find out how many Operation Grange staff have had trips abroad on Operation Grange work, and for how long they were away"

Post by Who?What?Where? on 29.07.13 1:55

A completely paper age, would allow a relatively easy bonfire of the vanities, to the people who want to control everything.

Nowadays, we have a paper and digital age. The government, (not the abysmal, "major" three parties', but the people who actually control them, and believe that they, are the real government),  are desperately trying, via Leveson, to silence the press. That should not be allowed to happen. We definitely need a free press, to hold these people to account.

If they ever succeed in silencing the paper age, what do you think their next target will be?

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