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Post by Guest on 10.07.13 10:01

I have given this a new thread rd, so it is easy to find for future reference........


@russiandoll wrote:This man writes in the USA and there is regular ref to him on twitter, where I got the link for what is below. I have put *** by a remark I do not understand as I have never heard or read about a 9 p.m. alarm being raised. I have read reports of an alarm before 10 p.m. but not an hour earlier.


Opinion
Freind: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case
Published: Tuesday, July 09, 2013
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By CHRIS FREIND
Times Columnist
In past columns, I have championed Don Imus keeping his job, defended Barry Bonds’ achievements and stood up for the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players long before it was “fashionable” for the media to do so. I even opined that Paris Hilton was wrongly jailed, receiving unfair treatment because she was a celebrity.

But no matter how much I try, I simply cannot find anything worth defending about British couple Gerry and Kate McCann.

The McCanns, for a reason that wholly escapes me, have been worldwide media darlings since their then-3-year-old daughter, Madeleine, disappeared from a Portuguese resort in 2007. A disappearance, mind you, that was 100 percent preventable had Maddy’s parents — both well-to-do physicians — not left her alone, along with her twin 2-year-old siblings, in a ground-floor unlocked apartment not once, but repeatedly, while they sampled the local paella far from their children.

Such gross negligence should have made them pariahs, but instead, their vaunted PR machine fashioned them into something akin to “heroic victims.”

Over the years, they have raised millions, engendered the support of (misguided) icons such David Beckham and J.K. Rowling, had a private audience with the Pope, met with high-ranking staff of then-First Lady Laura Bush, wrote a book, and otherwise lavished in the limelight as globetrotting celebrities.

Along the way, lawsuits have been threatened against anyone who dared question the McCanns’ complicity in their daughter’s fate, despite significant inconsistencies in their stories. Quite sickeningly, their actual search for Maddy all too often seemed like an afterthought, as it was much cooler to hang with stars and dignitaries than do the grunt work.

Yet for all the baggage that should accompany them, their star power still shines bright, as the Scotland Yard, upon the direction of Prime Minister David Cameron himself, just re-opened the investigation, citing new leads and “persons of interest.”

Really? After six years and millions of British taxpayers’ money later, they finally have persons of interest?

Aren’t there laws on the books in Britain against child endangerment? Reckless behavior? Negligence? And to those who say Britain can’t prosecute for a crime committed overseas, you can’t have it both ways, as British investigators are reaching out across Europe in a (likely ill-fated) attempt to interrogate and possibly have suspects arrested in other countries.

The headlines all read that Maddy was kidnapped, yet there is no evidence — none — of that.


It seems increasingly clear that McCann case is no longer about what happened to a little girl, but an attempt — some say cover-up — to absolve “upstanding Brits” of any responsibility, conveniently blaming Portugal, the poor man of Europe, for a botched investigation and overall ineptness.

Looking past the gushing pro-McCann headlines, many the world over believe the parents, accidentally or otherwise, were directly responsible for Maddy’s fate. I certainly cannot make that claim, though Gerry and Kate would seem to be guilty of child endangerment. That said, there remain inconsistencies which, to this day, remain unanswered.

Therefore, if Scotland Yard wishes to retain its legendary reputation, it needs to investigate the case from Square One, objectively, free from outside influence. No sacred cows, and no one off the table. And the only way to do that is to start with Gerry and Kate, (and their friends who accompanied them that fateful night), forcing the parents to answer tough questions. The taxpayers, and those who have so faithfully followed this saga for so long, deserve no less.

You don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to ask the following:

1.) Will the McCanns and their friends take lie-detectors tests? While not guaranteed, they’re a good barometer. If there is nothing to hide, releasing the results would be a public relations boon, and the investigation could center on Madeleine — for a change.

2.) What time was Madeleine discovered missing? *** Was it 9 o’clock, as Kate states, or 10 o’clock as others report, and why the discrepancy? How long did it take for anyone to initially call the police, as there are reports of a significant delay. Kate stated that the shutters were forced open, but the police and hotel staff said there was no evidence of tampering. And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?

3.) Kate yelled, “They’ve taken her”, but how did she know Madeleine was abducted? After all, the doors were unlocked, and Madeleine was known to sleepwalk.

Or perhaps this little girl just happened to awaken, scared,in a dark, unfamiliar place, and looked for the comfort of her parents. Not seeing them, might she have walked out the unlocked door to find them? And when Kate initially yelled “they” took her, to whom was she referring?

4.) The resort was extremely child-friendly. Why not use its inexpensive baby-sitting services? Some reports state that the McCanns did not want the children to be around people with whom they were unfamiliar. Yet, the same people who ran the day camp the children attended were also the baby sitters. And how could “strangers” be any worse than leaving three young children (with a combined age of 7) alone in an unlocked apartment?

5.) How often did the parents check the children before Madeleine went missing? Every hour, half-hour, or not at all? (The statements of the resort staff differ markedly from the McCanns). Since the room was a considerable distance away from the restaurant, and its view blocked, how could the McCanns compare that “secure arrangement” to eating in their backyard garden?

6.) During a BBC interview, Kate was adamant that the children would not awaken while she and Gerry were dining. Yet, since Madeleine reportedly had a history of sleepwalking, how could Kate be so sure of this?

7.) How many nights did the McCanns dine out while leaving the children alone? What were the distances of those restaurants from their room? Were any away from the hotel?

8.) How much money raised has actually has been allocated to the physical search for Madeleine? A thorough and independent forensic audit should be conducted.

9.) In an earlier interview, the McCanns stated, “Looking at it from where we are now, I don’t feel we were irresponsible, I feel we are very responsible parents.” Do they still feel that way?

10.) Assume that the police dog was accurate in its detection of death in the room, and the death was that of Madeleine. Why then would the perpetrator take away a dead child?

At a minimum, these questions are a logical starting point to get to the bottom of Madeleine’s disappearance.

As a wise man once said, lies reveal more than they conceal. If Scotland Yard does its job, perhaps we shall put that saying to the test.

Chris Freind is an independent commentator who operates FreindlyFireZone.com. He can be reached at CF@FreindlyFireZone.com. His column appears every Wednesday.

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Post by scrants on 10.07.13 10:26

I read a Tweet asking if this was actually in The Times (UK).  Wouldn't that be a thing to be wished for? It looks like Hell will freeze over before we see that happen, unfortunately.

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Re: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case - Chris Freind

Post by jozi on 10.07.13 11:14



2.) What time was Madeleine discovered missing? *** Was it 9 o’clock, as Kate states, or 10 o’clock as others report, and why the discrepancy? How long did it take for anyone to initially call the police, as there are reports of a significant delay. Kate stated that the shutters were forced open, but the police and hotel staff said there was no evidence of tampering. And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?


Where did Kate state she discovered Madeleine missing at 9 o'clock ???

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Post by Guest on 10.07.13 11:25

Have a look at this timeline where a number of people state there was something happening just after 9pm................

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

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Post by jozi on 10.07.13 11:37

candyfloss wrote:Have a look at this timeline where a number of people state there was something happening just after 9pm................

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

That is more confusing ? According to this something did happened around nineish......Then Gerry would have known Maddy was missing when he encountered Jez and who did the 9 o'clock check ?

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Post by bobbin on 10.07.13 12:18

@jozi wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Have a look at this timeline where a number of people state there was something happening just after 9pm................

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

That is more confusing ? According to this something did happened around nineish......Then Gerry would have known Maddy was missing when he encountered Jez and who did the 9 o'clock check ?
But Jez says he started his walking about 8.15/8.30 ish but couldn't be certain about it.
He saw what turned out to be Jane Tanner, in purple dress, by 5A, just as he set off on his walk.
It is only Gerry who tries to force the 9.15 time.
The Jez conversation could have been before the 9.30 ish noise, calling out, search.

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Re: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case - Chris Freind

Post by jeanmonroe on 10.07.13 12:24

@jozi wrote:

2.) What time was Madeleine discovered missing? *** Was it 9 o’clock, as Kate states, or 10 o’clock as others report, and why the discrepancy? How long did it take for anyone to initially call the police, as there are reports of a significant delay. Kate stated that the shutters were forced open, but the police and hotel staff said there was no evidence of tampering. And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?


Where did Kate state she discovered Madeleine missing at 9 o'clock ???

"And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?"

The twins were NEVER in danger because JT, as i have explained in other postings, imo, was at the apartment block, keeping an eye on them!
Kate McCann COULD of just screamed and screamed her head off from the balcony of 5A with the twins tucked under her arms.
As it was a very 'quiet' night as the T9 have said, and Donut, LOL, they would have heard her, without doubt.
But that wouldn't have been so dramatic as running back to the tapas table, would it?
All STAGED!

ETA:
Could somebody tell me how entry is achieved to get into the Ocean Club from the street?
Is it by swipe card, a key, a keypad where the person has to put in specific numbers, or what?
Thankyou.

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Post by russiandoll on 10.07.13 13:08

Another article which belongs on this thread: by Nigel Moore.


Last week, as part of Scotland Yard's decision to update the public on the progress of their 'investigative review' into the Madeleine McCann case, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood stated: "Neither her parents or any of the member (sic) of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects."
There will be many who will be greatly surprised at those words. Not least the Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police, who stated in July 2008 that "While one or both of them [the McCanns] may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance." At that time the McCanns were attempting to gain access to all the documents held by Leicester Police regarding the disappearance of their daughter. The request was denied.
But that wasn't the first or last time that British authorities had placed a question mark against the parents insistence that Madeleine was abducted.
Less than a month after Madeleine's reported disappearance, Lee Rainbow, who was at that time Senior Behavioural Investigation Consultant for the NPIA (National Policing Improvement Agency), wrote a report in which he stated: "The potential involvement of the family in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be discarded, and it can be considered that, when pondering the basis for research, this hypothesis deserves as much attention as the criminal with sexual motivations that has been previously prioritised.
"It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored." That report led directly to the arrival of the two operational specialist search dogs which indicated at a number of locations, as well as items, connected to the McCanns. As a result of that intervention, and what the Portuguese police believed to be conclusive DNA evidence, the McCanns were made arguidos (suspects).
The British government's Foreign & Commonwealth Office also made their view clear, post-arguido, in December 2009, when responding to a Freedom of Information request about the missing child, Ben Needham. They wrote: 'You will also be aware of the Madeleine McCann case. Both this and the Needham case are categorised as a missing persons, rather than child abduction cases, as there is no evidence in either case to support whether the children were or were not abducted.'
It could not be clearer. There is 'no evidence' to support the claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted.
So, are Scotland Yard playing an elaborate game of cat and mouse or are they looking to blindly stick the abduction tail on some unsuspecting donkey? Or are they simply running around like headless chickens in the last throes of their 'investigative review'? Only time will tell. However, it is worth remembering that the words of Chief Inspector Andy Redwood are far from unique.
Countering increased press speculation, in August 2007, about the possible involvement of Madeleine's parents in her disappearance, Portuguese Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa stepped in to clarify the situation. Speaking to the BBC, his words of support mirrored those of Mr Redwood last week. The McCanns, he assured, were "victims of this crime because they have lost their little child" and were not being considered as "suspects in the case". But, as we now know, they were.

Nigel Moore is based in Leicester, England, United Kingdom, and is a Stringer for Allvoices.

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Post by marconi on 10.07.13 13:10

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@jozi wrote:

2.) What time was Madeleine discovered missing? *** Was it 9 o’clock, as Kate states, or 10 o’clock as others report, and why the discrepancy? How long did it take for anyone to initially call the police, as there are reports of a significant delay. Kate stated that the shutters were forced open, but the police and hotel staff said there was no evidence of tampering. And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?


Where did Kate state she discovered Madeleine missing at 9 o'clock ???

"And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?"

The twins were NEVER in danger because JT, as i have explained in other postings, imo, was at the apartment block, keeping an eye on them!
Kate McCann COULD of just screamed and screamed her head off from the balcony of 5A with the twins tucked under her arms.
As it was a very 'quiet' night as the T9 have said, and Donut, LOL, they would have heard her, without doubt.
But that wouldn't have been so dramatic as running back to the tapas table, would it?
All STAGED!

ETA:
Could somebody tell me how entry is achieved to get into the Ocean Club from the street?
Is it by swipe card, a key, a keypad where the person has to put in specific numbers, or what?
Thankyou.

 into the ocean club or into the apartment?

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Re: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case - Chris Freind

Post by sallypelt on 10.07.13 13:22

This is the paragraph that gives me hope that SY will NOT compromise their credibility in this sorry saga:

"Therefore, if Scotland Yard wishes to retain its legendary reputation, it needs to investigate the case from Square One, objectively, free from outside influence. No sacred cows, and no one off the table. And the only way to do that is to start with Gerry and Kate, (and their friends who accompanied them that fateful night), forcing the parents to answer tough questions. The taxpayers, and those who have so faithfully followed this saga for so long, deserve no less".

Take the bold text, for example, under normal circumstances, this is what would have happened, and to some (delayed) extend, that's what did happen when they were made suspects by the PJ. HOWEVER, the McCann Team's PR had already been put into motion with the multi-million fund, and what a fantastic job it did; sightings in the four corners of the globe, private detectives, patsies etc. Just imagine if the if this deceitful lot had been put on the stand. Their defence would have pulled the prosecution to pieces.

So, I think that SY are going to eliminate ALL that's gone before and start from a fresh page. At this stage, the T9 have already made their disjointed statements, and that's NOT going to change. So, in my opinion, they can be kept simmering away, on the back burner, while SY get on with the work of knocking down ALL obstacles that they the Team can bring up in court, and bring about the collapse of the case.

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Post by marconi on 10.07.13 13:25

candyfloss wrote:I have given this a new thread rd, so it is easy to find for future reference........


@russiandoll wrote:This man writes in the USA and there is regular ref to him on twitter, where I got the link for what is below. I have put *** by a remark I do not understand as I have never heard or read about a 9 p.m. alarm being raised. I have read reports of an alarm before 10 p.m. but not an hour earlier.

       
Opinion
Freind: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case
Published: Tuesday, July 09, 2013
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By CHRIS FREIND
Times Columnist
In past columns, I have championed Don Imus keeping his job, defended Barry Bonds’ achievements and stood up for the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players long before it was “fashionable” for the media to do so. I even opined that Paris Hilton was wrongly jailed, receiving unfair treatment because she was a celebrity.

But no matter how much I try, I simply cannot find anything worth defending about British couple Gerry and Kate McCann.

The McCanns, for a reason that wholly escapes me, have been worldwide media darlings since their then-3-year-old daughter, Madeleine, disappeared from a Portuguese resort in 2007. A disappearance, mind you, that was 100 percent preventable had Maddy’s parents — both well-to-do physicians — not left her alone, along with her twin 2-year-old siblings, in a ground-floor unlocked apartment not once, but repeatedly, while they sampled the local paella far from their children.

Such gross negligence should have made them pariahs, but instead, their vaunted PR machine fashioned them into something akin to “heroic victims.”

Over the years, they have raised millions, engendered the support of (misguided) icons such David Beckham and J.K. Rowling, had a private audience with the Pope, met with high-ranking staff of then-First Lady Laura Bush, wrote a book, and otherwise lavished in the limelight as globetrotting celebrities.

Along the way, lawsuits have been threatened against anyone who dared question the McCanns’ complicity in their daughter’s fate, despite significant inconsistencies in their stories. Quite sickeningly, their actual search for Maddy all too often seemed like an afterthought, as it was much cooler to hang with stars and dignitaries than do the grunt work.

Yet for all the baggage that should accompany them, their star power still shines bright, as the Scotland Yard, upon the direction of Prime Minister David Cameron himself, just re-opened the investigation, citing new leads and “persons of interest.”

Really? After six years and millions of British taxpayers’ money later, they finally have persons of interest?

Aren’t there laws on the books in Britain against child endangerment? Reckless behavior? Negligence? And to those who say Britain can’t prosecute for a crime committed overseas, you can’t have it both ways, as British investigators are reaching out across Europe in a (likely ill-fated) attempt to interrogate and possibly have suspects arrested in other countries.

The headlines all read that Maddy was kidnapped, yet there is no evidence — none — of that.  


It seems increasingly clear that McCann case is no longer about what happened to a little girl, but an attempt — some say cover-up — to absolve “upstanding Brits” of any responsibility, conveniently blaming Portugal, the poor man of Europe, for a botched investigation and overall ineptness.

Looking past the gushing pro-McCann headlines, many the world over believe the parents, accidentally or otherwise, were directly responsible for Maddy’s fate. I certainly cannot make that claim, though Gerry and Kate would seem to be guilty of child endangerment. That said, there remain inconsistencies which, to this day, remain unanswered.

Therefore, if Scotland Yard wishes to retain its legendary reputation, it needs to investigate the case from Square One, objectively, free from outside influence. No sacred cows, and no one off the table. And the only way to do that is to start with Gerry and Kate, (and their friends who accompanied them that fateful night), forcing the parents to answer tough questions. The taxpayers, and those who have so faithfully followed this saga for so long, deserve no less.

You don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to ask the following:

1.) Will the McCanns and their friends take lie-detectors tests? While not guaranteed, they’re a good barometer. If there is nothing to hide, releasing the results would be a public relations boon, and the investigation could center on Madeleine — for a change.

2.) What time was Madeleine discovered missing?  *** Was it 9 o’clock, as Kate states, or 10 o’clock as others report, and why the discrepancy? How long did it take for anyone to initially call the police, as there are reports of a significant delay. Kate stated that the shutters were forced open, but the police and hotel staff said there was no evidence of tampering. And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?

3.) Kate yelled, “They’ve taken her”, but how did she know Madeleine was abducted? After all, the doors were unlocked, and Madeleine was known to sleepwalk.

Or perhaps this little girl just happened to awaken, scared,in a dark, unfamiliar place, and looked for the comfort of her parents. Not seeing them, might she have walked out the unlocked door to find them? And when Kate initially yelled “they” took her, to whom was she referring?

4.) The resort was extremely child-friendly. Why not use its inexpensive baby-sitting services? Some reports state that the McCanns did not want the children to be around people with whom they were unfamiliar. Yet, the same people who ran the day camp the children attended were also the baby sitters. And how could “strangers” be any worse than leaving three young children (with a combined age of 7) alone in an unlocked apartment?

5.) How often did the parents check the children before Madeleine went missing? Every hour, half-hour, or not at all? (The statements of the resort staff differ markedly from the McCanns). Since the room was a considerable distance away from the restaurant, and its view blocked, how could the McCanns compare that “secure arrangement” to eating in their backyard garden?  

6.) During a BBC interview, Kate was adamant that the children would not awaken while she and Gerry were dining. Yet, since Madeleine reportedly had a history of sleepwalking, how could Kate be so sure of this?

7.) How many nights did the McCanns dine out while leaving the children alone? What were the distances of those restaurants from their room? Were any away from the hotel?

8.) How much money raised has actually has been allocated to the physical search for Madeleine? A thorough and independent forensic audit should be conducted.

9.) In an earlier interview, the McCanns stated, “Looking at it from where we are now, I don’t feel we were irresponsible, I feel we are very responsible parents.” Do they still feel that way?

10.) Assume that the police dog was accurate in its detection of death in the room, and the death was that of Madeleine. Why then would the perpetrator take away a dead child?

At a minimum, these questions are a logical starting point to get to the bottom of Madeleine’s disappearance.

As a wise man once said, lies reveal more than they conceal. If Scotland Yard does its job, perhaps we shall put that saying to the test.

Chris Freind is an independent commentator who operates FreindlyFireZone.com. He can be reached at CF@FreindlyFireZone.com. His column appears every Wednesday.

 in my opinion, the PJ immediately suspected the parents and the friends.

but they had no proof. no break in, inconsistenies...

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Post by sallypelt on 10.07.13 13:27

Another point that has baffled me is, If the McCann's are innocent, WHY, when told that Madeleine had died in the apartment, did they, the McCann's, go to the lengths they did, to try and rubbish the findings? If that had been my child, I would be screaming from the rooftops for them to find out WHY she had died, and where is her body.

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Post by bobbin on 10.07.13 13:47

@sallypelt wrote:Another point that has baffled me is, If the McCann's are innocent, WHY, when told that Madeleine had died in the apartment, did they, the McCann's, go to the lengths they did, to try and rubbish the findings? If that had been my child, I would be screaming from the rooftops for them to find out WHY she had died, and where is her body.
The other point here is, why was the blood cleaned up with bleach or ?, making it damaged for forensic identification? The cleaning was a DELIBERATE job.
If an accident had occurred, call an ambulance.
If a nosebleed had happened, wipe it up.
If blood had appeared on tiles etc. which necessitated cleaning up, why can't either or both of the parents recall, (a) that there was blood and (b) where it came from.
If it wasn't the parents who discovered and cleaned the blood up, who was looking after the children to have seen and done this, without reporting it to the parents.
If Maddie had bled, would she not have told her parents.
If the twins had bled, would K and G as doctors not have noticed lesions, scabs, wiped blood marks etc. and asked questions.
It can only be a cover up that they chose to 'ignore' blood findings and try to find some lame excuse instead of needing the police to probe further to inform them of possibly, the worst news.

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Post by sallypelt on 10.07.13 13:58

@bobbin wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:Another point that has baffled me is, If the McCann's are innocent, WHY, when told that Madeleine had died in the apartment, did they, the McCann's, go to the lengths they did, to try and rubbish the findings? If that had been my child, I would be screaming from the rooftops for them to find out WHY she had died, and where is her body.
The other point here is, why was the blood cleaned up with bleach or ?, making it damaged for forensic identification? The cleaning was a DELIBERATE job.
If an accident had occurred, call an ambulance.
If a nosebleed had happened, wipe it up.
If blood had appeared on tiles etc. which necessitated cleaning up, why can't either or both of the parents recall, (a) that there was blood and (b) where it came from.
If it wasn't the parents who discovered and cleaned the blood up, who was looking after the children to have seen and done this, without reporting it to the parents.
If Maddie had bled, would she not have told her parents.
If the twins had bled, would K and G as doctors not have noticed lesions, scabs, wiped blood marks etc. and asked questions.
It can only be a cover up that they chose to 'ignore' blood findings and try to find some lame excuse instead of needing the police to probe further to inform them of possibly, the worst news.

I can distinctively remember, very early on, after Madeleine went missing, reports that stated the McCann's had been shopping at a local supermarket for cleaning items, such as bleach etc. I can no longer find reference to this, but I am 100% positive that I DID read about it, back in 2007. There was also something about a till receipt, that listed the items. Again, this information appears to have disappeared off the face of the Earth.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 10.07.13 14:01

ETA:
Could somebody tell me how entry is achieved to get into the Ocean Club from the street?
Is it by swipe card, a key, a keypad where the person has to put in specific numbers, or what?
Thankyou.

 into the ocean club or into the apartment?

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The Ocean Club complex where theT9 went every night to the tapas that they had booked and paid for the entire week (even though the McS 'thought' they wouldn't get into on the 'fateful' night, LOL)
There must be entry system for OC 'members' only otherwise you'd have all sorts of ferals going in there, and we couldn't possibly allow that, could we?

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Re: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case - Chris Freind

Post by Woofer on 10.07.13 14:09

@sallypelt wrote:
@bobbin wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:Another point that has baffled me is, If the McCann's are innocent, WHY, when told that Madeleine had died in the apartment, did they, the McCann's, go to the lengths they did, to try and rubbish the findings? If that had been my child, I would be screaming from the rooftops for them to find out WHY she had died, and where is her body.
The other point here is, why was the blood cleaned up with bleach or ?, making it damaged for forensic identification? The cleaning was a DELIBERATE job.
If an accident had occurred, call an ambulance.
If a nosebleed had happened, wipe it up.
If blood had appeared on tiles etc. which necessitated cleaning up, why can't either or both of the parents recall, (a) that there was blood and (b) where it came from.
If it wasn't the parents who discovered and cleaned the blood up, who was looking after the children to have seen and done this, without reporting it to the parents.
If Maddie had bled, would she not have told her parents.
If the twins had bled, would K and G as doctors not have noticed lesions, scabs, wiped blood marks etc. and asked questions.
It can only be a cover up that they chose to 'ignore' blood findings and try to find some lame excuse instead of needing the police to probe further to inform them of possibly, the worst news.

I can distinctively remember, very early on, after Madeleine went missing, reports that stated the McCann's had been shopping at a local supermarket for cleaning items, such as bleach etc. I can no longer find reference to this, but I am 100% positive that I DID read about it, back in 2007. There was also something about a till receipt, that listed the items. Again, this information appears to have disappeared off the face of the Earth.

 I`m sure the PJ would have asked the cleaners what cleaning fluids they regularly use and whether they mopped behind the sofa.

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Post by deafoldbat on 10.07.13 14:32

@jeanmonroe wrote:ETA:
Could somebody tell me how entry is achieved to get into the Ocean Club from the street?
Is it by swipe card, a key, a keypad where the person has to put in specific numbers, or what?
Thankyou.

 into the ocean club or into the apartment?

Marconi
The Ocean Club complex where theT9 went every night to the tapas that they had booked and paid for the entire week (even though the McS 'thought' they wouldn't get into on the 'fateful' night, LOL)
There must be entry system for OC 'members' only otherwise you'd have all sorts of ferals going in there, and we couldn't possibly allow that, could we?


This is from the Mark Warner site:


Accommodation
The charming apartments are clustered in different locations around the pretty town of Luz, no more than a ten-minute walk away from the Ocean Club Resort’s Mill Restaurant and Bar, where breakfast and dinner are served. Choose from a one, two or three bedroom apartment, all fully furnished, including television, kettle, toaster, oven, crockery, cutlery and a fridge, plus all linen and bath towels.
Each apartment is unique; some come with their own garden, some with sea views and some overlooking the pool at the resort. All of them have either a terrace or a balcony. Hairdryers can be hired for €10 per week and safety deposit boxes are available in reception.



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Re: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case - Chris Freind

Post by PeterMac on 10.07.13 14:37

@jeanmonroe wrote:ETA:
Could somebody tell me how entry is achieved to get into the Ocean Club from the street?
Is it by swipe card, a key, a keypad where the person has to put in specific numbers, or what?
Thankyou.
into the ocean club or into the apartment?
Marconi
The Ocean Club complex where theT9 went every night to the tapas that they had booked and paid for the entire week (even though the McS 'thought' they wouldn't get into on the 'fateful' night, LOL)
There must be entry system for OC 'members' only otherwise you'd have all sorts of ferals going in there, and we couldn't possibly allow that, could we?

When Pat and I were there we simply walked in.  There is a sort of reception desk, but no one was there.   We wandered round, and then out again. No one was remotely interesed, but it was out of season.
The gate at the bottom of the stairs to 5A was also not locked, in fact it could not be, since it did not fit properly, so again we could wander round.
NOTE: I have just seen the previous post,
Be careful, there is a full 24 hours reception but that is a long way from this bit of the complex which has a tiny "reception" to the pool, courts and Tapas bar.
Don't get them confused.

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Re: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case - Chris Freind

Post by jeanmonroe on 10.07.13 14:55

@PeterMac wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:ETA:
Could somebody tell me how entry is achieved to get into the Ocean Club from the street?
Is it by swipe card, a key, a keypad where the person has to put in specific numbers, or what?
Thankyou.
into the ocean club or into the apartment?
Marconi
The Ocean Club complex where theT9 went every night to the tapas that they had booked and paid for the entire week (even though the McS 'thought' they wouldn't get into on the 'fateful' night, LOL)
There must be entry system for OC 'members' only otherwise you'd have all sorts of ferals going in there, and we couldn't possibly allow that, could we?

When Pat and I were there we simply walked in.  There is a sort of reception desk, but no one was there.   We wandered round, and then out again. No one was remotely interesed, but it was out of season.
The gate at the bottom of the stairs to 5A was also not locked, in fact it could not be, since it did not fit properly, so again we could wander round.
NOTE:  I have just seen the previous post,
Be careful, there is a full 24 hours reception but that is a long way from this bit of the complex which has a tiny "reception" to the pool, courts and Tapas bar.
Don't get them confused.

Thankyou PM. You seem like a 'nice' feral! LOL.
So no specific means of entry just pull/push door and enter.
Thankyou.

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Post by Nereid on 10.07.13 17:29

I remember it too. Would be interesting on what day they bought all those cleaning products, if true. It would be understandable if they did it the day or the day after they arrived (if the apartment was not up to their cleaning standards), but a few days into the holiday would not make sense.

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