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Post by aiyoyo on 08.07.13 14:27

Well done you, Nereid.  Thanks much.


Redwood: Madeleine McCann’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann have been in close collaboration with us from the beginning and I meet with them regularly and they are fully updated as to where we are in terms of our review and our investigation.

I cant comprehend how Redwood personally can meet the Mr & Mrs regularly to fully update them - on what though?  If he's giving them a false sense of security (as we seem to believe) by his public statements, what can he possibly say to them in the face to face meetings that would need to be more detailed when he is open to questions from the pair?  dontgetit

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Post by aquila on 08.07.13 14:36

I wonder where Redwood personally meets the McCanns. Does he go to them or do they go to him? Is it a cosy fireside chat in Rothley towers or a formal meeting in Belgravia?

ETA. Thanks Nereid - it's a lot of work to transcribe.

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Post by ShuBob on 08.07.13 14:39

@aiyoyo wrote:Well done you, Nereid.  Thanks much.


Redwood: Madeleine McCann’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann have been in close collaboration with us from the beginning and I meet with them regularly and they are fully updated as to where we are in terms of our review and our investigation.

I cant comprehend how Redwood personally can meet the Mr & Mrs regularly to fully update them - on what though?  If he's giving them a false sense of security (as we seem to believe) by his public statements, what can he possibly say to them in the face to face meetings that would need to be more detailed when he is open to questions from the pair?  dontgetit

Perhaps, similar to what the PJ were telling the couple during their regular meetings before they were made arguidos.

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Post by ShuBob on 08.07.13 14:46

Thanks a lot Nereid.

I think this explains the position of the Portuguese authorities as revealed in Joana Morais's recent article:

Sky: So what does this mean practically in terms of the search for Madeleine McCann. What happens now?

Redwood: Well what it means practically is that we will be shortly serving to the Portuguese authorities following, following a judicial route erm formal request for evidence to be gathered.

The formal request hadn't been made at the time of Redwood's announcement. Why he chose to speak to the press before making the request is another matter.

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Post by tasprin on 08.07.13 14:47

@aquila wrote:I wonder where Redwood personally meets the McCanns. Does he go to them or do they go to him? Is it a cosy fireside chat in Rothley towers or a formal meeting in Belgravia?

ETA. Thanks Nereid - it's a lot of work to transcribe.

Surely they must go to him, otherwise a lot of the taxpayers money allocated to the review would be wasted on his expenses and he wouldn't be travelling alone. They don't lose out, they have the FindMadeleine fund donations to pay for travel and accommodation.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 08.07.13 14:50

Well Redwood will never, ever be able to say, in the future, that he didn't ever collude, talk to and INFORM the McCanns ABOUT his detailed INDEPENDENT investigation, review will he?

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Post by aquila on 08.07.13 14:57

@tasprin wrote:
@aquila wrote:I wonder where Redwood personally meets the McCanns. Does he go to them or do they go to him? Is it a cosy fireside chat in Rothley towers or a formal meeting in Belgravia?

ETA. Thanks Nereid - it's a lot of work to transcribe.

Surely they must go to him, otherwise a lot of the taxpayers money allocated to the review would be wasted on his expenses and he wouldn't be travelling alone. They don't lose out, they have the FindMadeleine fund donations to pay for travel and accommodation.

 Formal meetings that are documented?

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Post by lj on 08.07.13 15:12

@Angelique wrote:I don't know about anyone else's opinion of "this" man but he definitely irritates me and this smile makes me react in the opposite way to which others have stated. That he means the opposite of what he is saying - no I don't think so. He reminds me of Gerry McCann smirking, his mouth saying one thing whilst laughing AT the interviewer.  Instinctively he puts my back up.

I have absolutely no confidence in him, his colleagues or any fully paid up members of SY.

He has a very condescending way of speaking. At the same time he is on the defense (maybe the two are related?). He talks more about the Tapas bunch (incl K&G) are not suspects or part of the investigation that anything else.

IMHO this man is not going to investigate the McCanns. I am now also convinced that the McCanns will be briefed on anything that could get them in trouble.

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Post by Angelique on 08.07.13 15:16

lj

Yes these are my interpretations of his demeanour, his words fall short for his official standing. He doesn't even sound as though he has any authority to do anything.

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Post by Lostfridge on 08.07.13 15:20

Redwood: Neither her parents or any of the member of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.

Sky: Because obviously there was some rumours at the time but you are quite categorical on that?

Redwood: They are not persons of interest or suspects. They are parents who have lost their daughter and we are doing all that we can to bring resolution for them, to find out what has happened to Madeleine.

After reading this , and with he response from the Portuguese , does anyone actually think this is anything other than a formal whitewash!!. Sorry but it doesn't matter how its spun, this guy is pretty categorical that they are not looking at the Mccanns. So either its a total clean up operation by our government for some unknown reason, or SY know something we do not and the McCann really do have nothing to do with the disappearance!.
The most puzzling thing is If a Police force actually had persons of interest in a case like this and thought she might be alive! WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU BROADCAST THAT INFORMATION TO THE WORLD!!

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Post by lj on 08.07.13 15:26

Also interesting is the way he emphasizes that they are in a unique position to tie the 3 strands together. I assume he means the info from Portugal, the UK and the parents. Now lets see why is he the first one to be able to do that??

Is it because the British LE and the parents refused cooperation?

Maybe it could have been sold years ago, if they had done the right thing.


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Post by lj on 08.07.13 15:27

@Lostfridge wrote:Redwood: Neither her parents or any of the member of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.

Sky: Because obviously there was some rumours at the time but you are quite categorical on that?

Redwood: They are not persons of interest or suspects. They are parents who have lost their daughter and we are doing all that we can to bring resolution for them, to find out what has happened to Madeleine.

After reading this , and with he response from the Portuguese , does anyone actually think this is anything other than a formal whitewash!!. Sorry but it doesn't matter how its spun, this guy is pretty categorical that they are not looking at the Mccanns. So either its a total clean up operation by our government for some unknown reason, or SY know something we do not and the McCann really do have nothing to do with the disappearance!.
The most puzzling thing is If a Police force actually had persons of interest in a case like this and thought she might be alive! WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU BROADCAST THAT INFORMATION TO THE WORLD!!


Exactly

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Post by tiny on 08.07.13 15:33

@Lostfridge wrote:Redwood: Neither her parents or any of the member of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.

Sky: Because obviously there was some rumours at the time but you are quite categorical on that?

Redwood: They are not persons of interest or suspects. They are parents who have lost their daughter and we are doing all that we can to bring resolution for them, to find out what has happened to Madeleine.

After reading this , and with he response from the Portuguese , does anyone actually think this is anything other than a formal whitewash!!. Sorry but it doesn't matter how its spun, this guy is pretty categorical that they are not looking at the Mccanns. So either its a total clean up operation by our government for some unknown reason, or SY know something we do not and the McCann really do have nothing to do with the disappearance!.
The most puzzling thing is If a Police force actually had persons of interest in a case like this and thought she might be alive! WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU BROADCAST THAT INFORMATION TO THE WORLD!!


Im with you on this Lostfridge,this bit has made up my mind a whitewash is on the way.

....Redwood: Madeleine McCann’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann have been in close collaboration with us from the beginning and I meet with them regularly and they are fully updated as to where we are in terms of our review and our investigation......

why would you keep two former arquido's WHO HAVENT BEEN CLEARED OF INVOLVEMENT informed of what is going on.

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Post by Cristobell on 08.07.13 15:35

I don't think they are that informed.  The shills on twitter did not know what the Scotland Yard announcement would be - and they are not rubbing our faces in it.

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Post by Guest on 08.07.13 15:36

"I meet with them regularly and they are fully updated as to where we are in terms of our review and our investigation" reminded me again of how devastated they looked 6 weeks ago ...

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Post by aiyoyo on 08.07.13 16:18

Châtelaine wrote:"I meet with them regularly and they are fully updated as to where we are in terms of our review and our investigation" reminded me again of how devastated they looked 6 weeks ago ...



Imagine if he'd told them they are closer to knowing what happened to Madeleine, rather than closer to the arresting the abductor, that would send shivers down Mr & Mrs' spine.

I wonder whether it is usual for Police Chief in charge of the case to brief family on a regular basis, especially considering they were once suspects not yet exonerated in a Court of Law?


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Post by Newintown on 08.07.13 16:28

@lj wrote:Also interesting is the way he emphasizes that they are in a unique position to tie the 3 strands together. I assume he means the info from Portugal, the UK and the parents. Now lets see why is he the first one to be able to do that??

Is it because the British LE and the parents refused cooperation?

Maybe it could have been sold years ago, if they had done the right thing.


Sorry to be ignorant but what does LE stand for?  I see LE mentioned quite a lot in posts but have no idea what he stands for.  smilie

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Post by aquila on 08.07.13 16:31

@Newintown wrote:
@lj wrote:Also interesting is the way he emphasizes that they are in a unique position to tie the 3 strands together. I assume he means the info from Portugal, the UK and the parents. Now lets see why is he the first one to be able to do that??

Is it because the British LE and the parents refused cooperation?

Maybe it could have been sold years ago, if they had done the right thing.


Sorry to be ignorant but what does LE stand for?  I see LE mentioned quite a lot in posts but have no idea what he stands for.  smilie

 I might be wrong but I read it as law enforcement.

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why so impatient?

Post by marconi on 08.07.13 16:31

why so many get so bitter and impatient?  The Yard is already very far in the probe.
About the alive Madeleine: the law demands a proof that the person is dead. The Yard is not yet that far that they can openly tell that she died.
The only thing that I am sure  about in this investigation is that we really don't know anything about it. Neither do the McCanns.
Gerry said that the Yard had more pieces of the puzzle, closer to the truth  "but we are still miles away from it".
A proof that they don't know much.
Do you believe that Redwood is informing them, after they had been made arguidos in Portugal?
Not at all.
Besides there are new witnesses evidence which means that several people around the McCanns gave up protecting them.
The Yard is making a war of nerves around the parents and around the witnesses.
A good strategy.

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Post by Newintown on 08.07.13 16:34

@aquila wrote:
@Newintown wrote:
@lj wrote:Also interesting is the way he emphasizes that they are in a unique position to tie the 3 strands together. I assume he means the info from Portugal, the UK and the parents. Now lets see why is he the first one to be able to do that??

Is it because the British LE and the parents refused cooperation?

Maybe it could have been sold years ago, if they had done the right thing.


Sorry to be ignorant but what does LE stand for?  I see LE mentioned quite a lot in posts but have no idea what he stands for.  smilie

 I might be wrong but I read it as law enforcement.

Oh, OK, thanks very much. I've been wondering for a few weeks, I didn't like to ask before.

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Post by Nereid on 08.07.13 16:37

@lj wrote:Also interesting is the way he emphasizes that they are in a unique position to tie the 3 strands together. I assume he means the info from Portugal, the UK and the parents. Now lets see why is he the first one to be able to do that??

Is it because the British LE and the parents refused cooperation?

Maybe it could have been sold years ago, if they had done the right thing.


 ".... in drawing together 3 strands: Portuguese, UK and Private Investigator’s material."

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Post by Lostfridge on 08.07.13 16:47

@marconi wrote:why so many get so bitter and impatient?  The Yard is already very far in the probe.
About the alive Madeleine: the law demands a proof that the person is dead. The Yard is not yet that far that they can openly tell that she died.
The only thing that I am sure  about in this investigation is that we really don't know anything about it. Neither do the McCanns.
Gerry said that the Yard had more pieces of the puzzle, closer to the truth  "but we are still miles away from it".
A proof that they don't know much.
Do you believe that Redwood is informing them, after they had been made arguidos in Portugal?
Not at all.
Besides there are new witnesses evidence which means that several people around the McCanns gave up protecting them.
The Yard is making a war of nerves around the parents and around the witnesses.
A good strategy.
There was no need for him to state so categorically that they are not suspects or persons of interest. I wish I had your optimism if that what it is. I honestly think its delusional to think that SY is suddenly going to crack this case in a way that implicates the Mccanns or Tapas. They didn't want to help 6 years ago, why would they genuinely  bother now.

Why the hell didn't the journalist ask " SO!! have you now provided the PJ with the medical and financial records of the Tapas 9?"  I would guess because the journalist hadn't got the slightest clue that those files where outstanding! but still......

If I was the trust what the SY are telling us at the moment, I would say the Mccanns and Co are not invloved in any wrong doing in any way and there is a group of people out there responsible, and SY have just tipped them off!!....brilliant

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Post by guest. on 08.07.13 17:35

That didn't make any sense to me, if they truly believed M was alive they'd just caused her death.

I know they can't say she is no longer alive but there was no need to say for the public to keep looking for M.

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Post by sheila.edwards on 08.07.13 17:55

at least he did not say, keep Donating!spin

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Post by marconi on 08.07.13 18:12

@Lostfridge wrote:
@marconi wrote:why so many get so bitter and impatient?  The Yard is already very far in the probe.
About the alive Madeleine: the law demands a proof that the person is dead. The Yard is not yet that far that they can openly tell that she died.
The only thing that I am sure  about in this investigation is that we really don't know anything about it. Neither do the McCanns.
Gerry said that the Yard had more pieces of the puzzle, closer to the truth  "but we are still miles away from it".
A proof that they don't know much.
Do you believe that Redwood is informing them, after they had been made arguidos in Portugal?
Not at all.
Besides there are new witnesses evidence which means that several people around the McCanns gave up protecting them.
The Yard is making a war of nerves around the parents and around the witnesses.
A good strategy.
There was no need for him to state so categorically that they are not suspects or persons of interest. I wish I had your optimism if that what it is. I honestly think its delusional to think that SY is suddenly going to crack this case in a way that implicates the Mccanns or Tapas. They didn't want to help 6 years ago, why would they genuinely  bother now.

Why the hell didn't the journalist ask " SO!! have you now provided the PJ with the medical and financial records of the Tapas 9?"  I would guess because the journalist hadn't got the slightest clue that those files where outstanding! but still......

If I was the trust what the SY are telling us at the moment, I would say the Mccanns and Co are not invloved in any wrong doing in any way and there is a group of people out there responsible, and SY have just tipped them off!!....brilliant

 Regretful, Lostfridge, that you don't have any idea of strategy. It exists and not only in wars. That Redwood's interview was in principle a message to witnesses that still did not come forward. He talked about witnesses evidence, a threat to the ones who didn't tell the truth yet.
The one who does not come forward, will be seen as suspect, involved in Madeleine's death.
Of course the Yard can not say yet that the parents are involved in the case. They have to analyse the witnesses evidence.
And who knows somebody of Tapas 12 knows where the grave is. I bet that at least one of them knows it.
I am convinced that we know 1% of the Yard's probe.

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