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Post by bobbin on 28.06.13 17:56

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Gosh makes my 480 E look like chicken feed. It is however one months state pension for me.
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480 € per month ...?! That's robbery. I get 750 € and that's a reduced pension, because of all of the years I wasn't living and/or working in the Netherlands ...
That's the ?beauty? of a UK state pension versus a European one.
Also when the Euro goes up in value, the UK pension, still paid as £'s, translates into a smaller number of Euros.
That's why it's good to keep chickens, grow tomatoes, veg, potatoes, bottle everything in sight for the winter, collect walnuts, make jam to exchange with someone who's got a cow and makes their own cheese and butter, brew your own and this year, growing corn to make own bread.
Wood here in France is 76 Euros a 'stere', that's about a cubic meter.
Hot water bottles, essential, sleeping bag on settee in front of tele equals winter comfort. ahh, don't forget the woolly hat.
Knitting is good exercise and makes lovely thick, long socks / leggings, scarves etc. and saves on paying out for useless Christmas presents to relatives.
Home made marzipan sweets and chocolate ginger for those who are already 'legging-ed out'.big grin 

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Post by plebgate on 28.06.13 18:12

if the palaces are owned by the State then let the people live in them. Plenty people homeless could do with using a few of their spare bedrooms. How much tax do any of them pay?

Same old arguments about value for money. titter 

53p per head, those are the figures given for the entire population, what does it work out at if you just take into account the taxpayers.

Same old, same old.

Equality in Britain in the 21st Century, yeah right.titter 

Who else could get an army helicopter to land in their girlfriend's back garden at the taxpayers' expense. Same old, same old.

Born with a silver spoon and they sure know how to use that spoon.

Like we were told Thatcher's funeral ONLY cost 3 million pounds. ha ha ha. Ya couldn't make it up. Children going without meals in UK, having to depend on food banks. yeah that sounds about right.




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Post by kinell on 28.06.13 18:35

@plebgate wrote:if the palaces are owned by the State then let the people live in them.   Plenty people homeless could do with using a few of their spare bedrooms.   How much tax do any of them pay?

Same old arguments about value for money.  titter 

53p per head, those are the figures given for the entire population, what does it work out at if you just take into account the taxpayers.    

Same old, same old.

Equality in Britain in the 21st Century, yeah right.titter 

Who else could get an army helicopter to land in their girlfriend's back garden at the taxpayers' expense.    Same old, same old.

Born with a silver spoon and they sure know how to use that spoon.

Like we were told Thatcher's funeral ONLY cost 3 million pounds.   ha ha ha.  Ya couldn't make it up.  Children going without meals in UK, having to depend on food banks.  yeah that sounds about right.




 So you'd rather see David Cameron and SamCam run the country and live in the Royal properties?

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Post by plebgate on 28.06.13 18:39

David Cameron is supposed to run the country, he is the Prime Minister. I do not recall posting that I would rather see call me Dave and his wife run the country.smilie 






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Post by whmon on 28.06.13 18:48

@kinell wrote:
@plebgate wrote:if the palaces are owned by the State then let the people live in them.   Plenty people homeless could do with using a few of their spare bedrooms.   How much tax do any of them pay?

Same old arguments about value for money.  titter 

53p per head, those are the figures given for the entire population, what does it work out at if you just take into account the taxpayers.    

Same old, same old.

Equality in Britain in the 21st Century, yeah right.titter 

Who else could get an army helicopter to land in their girlfriend's back garden at the taxpayers' expense.    Same old, same old.

Born with a silver spoon and they sure know how to use that spoon.

Like we were told Thatcher's funeral ONLY cost 3 million pounds.   ha ha ha.  Ya couldn't make it up.  Children going without meals in UK, having to depend on food banks.  yeah that sounds about right.




 So you'd rather see David Cameron and SamCam run the country and live in the Royal properties?

 I would rather the country's leaders held an achieved role over an ascribed role any day of the week. How on earth can we call ourselves a Democracy (even though we are a Democracy in name only) when leaders were 'born to rule'. At least with Achieved leadership my own son has as much chance as anyone else of getting his foot into no. 10. He has fat chance of a throne and hand waving classes.

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Post by Nina on 28.06.13 18:54

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Gosh makes my 480 E look like chicken feed. It is however one months state pension for me.
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480 € per month ...?! That's robbery. I get 750 € and that's a reduced pension, because of all of the years I wasn't living and/or working in the Netherlands ...

Well that is what I receive, to be fair it is 444.02 Euros per month and worked up to 1999 when diagnosed with breast cancer aged 56. I paid reduced stamp.

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Post by PeterMac on 28.06.13 18:56

@plebgate wrote:if the palaces are owned by the State then let the people live in them.  

Where does the President of France live ?
Oh, yes The Élysée Palace ! But he is socialist, so that's OK then
President of Germany - Bellevue Palace
Italy - Quirinal Palace
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Palaces belong to the Country, to the people. The Queen cannot sell Buckingham House, but the people could turn her out and do so.

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Post by plebgate on 28.06.13 19:04

Presidents and Prime Ministers are voted in, not born with with silver spoons attached and the people certainly do not keep their families in luxury for life.

Also, they will have actually gone to work and paid taxes before becoming Politicians - in any case, I am not paying into other countries tax system,so what they do doesn't concern me.

Queen's children, their children, cousins living in palaces it goes on and on and on and we are all living under austerity measures.

As I said, this is equality in Britian in the 21st Century. titter 






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Post by tigger on 28.06.13 19:52

@plebgate wrote:Presidents and Prime Ministers are voted in, not born with with silver spoons attached and the people certainly do not keep their families in luxury for life.

Also, they will have actually gone to work and paid taxes before becoming Politicians - in any case, I am not paying into other countries tax system,so what they do doesn't concern me.

Queen's children, their children, cousins living in palaces it goes on and on and on and we are all living under austerity measures.

As I said, this is equality in Britian in the 21st Century. titter 


But if you watch the video on page one, it's abundantly clear that it would be a bad economic move to get rid of royalty. Royalty might quite like it, lots more money and no forced openings of the latest PFI hospital.

A number of politicians have never done anything except politics (e.g. Neil Kinnock). An awful lot of MPs and politicians know their time will be short and they use it to establish profitable contacts, line up cushy directorships and such goodies. They hardly seem to have time to represent their constituents.
Nobody voted Gordon Brown in as PM, yet he became one by private arrangement with Blair. How democratic is that?
Has everyone forgotten the expenses scandal? The appointments to quangos? The cash or titles for money? This kind of democracy breeds corruption. I don't believe we still live in a democracy, politics have merged into a middle ground that does no-one any favours. Except poliicians of course.

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Post by kinell on 28.06.13 20:13

@plebgate wrote:Presidents and Prime Ministers are voted in, not born with with silver spoons attached and the people certainly do not keep their families in luxury for life.

Also, they will have actually gone to work and paid taxes before becoming Politicians - in any case, I am not paying into other countries tax system,so what they do doesn't concern me.


And what about the Prince's who go to work in the military - Prince Harry on the front line - aren't they going to work and paying taxes before becoming King's (in the case of Prince Charles and Prince William)?

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Post by whmon on 28.06.13 20:36

@kinell wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Presidents and Prime Ministers are voted in, not born with with silver spoons attached and the people certainly do not keep their families in luxury for life.

Also, they will have actually gone to work and paid taxes before becoming Politicians - in any case, I am not paying into other countries tax system,so what they do doesn't concern me.


And what about the Prince's who go to work in the military - Prince Harry on the front line - aren't they going to work and paying taxes before becoming King's (in the case of Prince Charles and Prince William)?

 The major role of any of the royal family who is in the military is assisting their own PR team, that's all. A few photo shots and back to the hotel.

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Post by kinell on 28.06.13 21:03

@whmon wrote:
@kinell wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Presidents and Prime Ministers are voted in, not born with with silver spoons attached and the people certainly do not keep their families in luxury for life.

Also, they will have actually gone to work and paid taxes before becoming Politicians - in any case, I am not paying into other countries tax system,so what they do doesn't concern me.


And what about the Prince's who go to work in the military - Prince Harry on the front line - aren't they going to work and paying taxes before becoming King's (in the case of Prince Charles and Prince William)?

 The major role of any of the royal family who is in the military is assisting their own PR team, that's all. A few photo shots and back to the hotel.

How do you know that?

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Post by whmon on 28.06.13 21:06

@whmon wrote:
@kinell wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Presidents and Prime Ministers are voted in, not born with with silver spoons attached and the people certainly do not keep their families in luxury for life.

Also, they will have actually gone to work and paid taxes before becoming Politicians - in any case, I am not paying into other countries tax system,so what they do doesn't concern me.


And what about the Prince's who go to work in the military - Prince Harry on the front line - aren't they going to work and paying taxes before becoming King's (in the case of Prince Charles and Prince William)?

 The major role of any of the royal family who is in the military is assisting their own PR team, that's all. A few photo shots and back to the hotel.

 Just think about it Kinell and you'll work it out for yourself.

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Post by kinell on 28.06.13 21:10

I don't want to work it out for myself, I'm asking you.

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Post by Miraflores on 28.06.13 21:18

Princes William and Harry would be a bit limited in any job they do. I don't agree with the war in Afghanistan but any person serving out there is brave, and I am sure that Harry is a good soldier. Ditto with William - he's even more constrained by what he's allowed to do, but being a search and rescue pilot is a very worthwhile job.

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Post by whmon on 28.06.13 21:31

@kinell wrote:I don't want to work it out for myself, I'm asking you.

With all due respect Kinell, I am sure you already know what I am going to say but, ok. These people have massive wealth and more clout than the mafia. They are not going to be expected to clean their own boots, make their own beds, or anything else that the average squaddie has to do. They will NEVER be put into a position where their lives are at risk. In fact, they will never even be put into a position where they have to earn their rank.

What will happen is that they will be cossetted and protected. They will sleep surrounded by an armed guard and they will be expected to be a presence that serves simply as a motivation for the rank and file (and their parents.) The idea being that if a prince of England (yes, I said England not UK) can put his life at risk then the common or garden people should do it as well. It is orchestrated so that mothers and fathers of sons and daughters will feel patriotic and send their children off to combat. The royals will not be in combat, at least not in direct combat.

It annoys me no end. I am annoyed now. Having said that I have been annoyed all day as my printer broke down as I was about to print off essential documentation needed today. Grrrrrrrrrrrr

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Post by plebgate on 29.06.13 8:31

@kinell wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Presidents and Prime Ministers are voted in, not born with with silver spoons attached and the people certainly do not keep their families in luxury for life.

Also, they will have actually gone to work and paid taxes before becoming Politicians - in any case, I am not paying into other countries tax system,so what they do doesn't concern me.



And what about the Prince's who go to work in the military
- Prince Harry on the front line - aren't they going to work and paying taxes before becoming King's (in the case of Prince Charles and Prince William)?

titter  at highlighted words.

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Post by plebgate on 29.06.13 8:39

Kate Middleton been in the Royal family a couple of years, but because she is now Royal, "inspected" the Chelsea pensioners this year. Please give me a break. Went to Uni. photographed/modeled wearing a diaphenous dress, catches the eye of the Prince. Eventually marries her Prince and two years down the line we all have to fawn over her and her family. Has she ever worked or paid taxes. Not to my knowledge but now we will all be expected to curtsey to her. You really could not make it up. ha ha ha.

She is also (now) one of the most beautiful women in the world (as was Diana once she had married into the family).

A lot of people comment about the way celebs are hero-worshipped/idolised by youngsters. I can see no difference between the way Royalists and worshippers of celebs treat their "Gods", but at least the celebs "work" and pay taxes.

ha ha ha

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Post by tigger on 29.06.13 8:58

I think you have to hold a military rank in order inspect the military. It may well be the uneducated press who have no idea.
The Queen is Commander-in-Chief of the British Armed Forces, which entitles her to inspect the military. I'd be surprised if Kate Middleton has a military rank.

I agree that royalty has been turned into a celebrity fest. But who did that? The Holy Diana who washed her dirty linen in public. Coming from her background, she should have known better. The privileges of the aristocracy also carry restrictions. With the help of Blair (a religious maniac as bad as Bush) - her death was a godsend to him - 'the people's princess'  is what she became thanks to him. She was in fact a most disturbed unstable young woman, right from the start. She did not become one, marrying the heir to the throne didn't make her unstable, it only accelerated her decline. She turned the whole thing into a celebrity affair, together with the dreadful Ferguson woman. Dressing up as WPC's and getting into Annabel's 'anonymously' - except that leaking to the press came right from that quarter.
Dancing on Covent Garden stage with Wayne Sleep - please! Make up your mind to do the job you married into or go on the stage, just not both at once.

Quite a few royal houses in Europe have to marry commoners, as German princesses and princes are now thin on the ground, not a problem in most cases. Can't see the problem, it's a job, born into it or not, with advantages and drawbacks. Just get on with it. Wish KM would use a better make-up artist, the eye-make up is dreadfully overdone.

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Post by kinell on 29.06.13 9:12

@plebgate wrote:Kate Middleton been in the Royal family a couple of years, but because she is now Royal, "inspected" the Chelsea pensioners this year.   Please give me a break.   Went to Uni. photographed/modeled wearing a diaphenous dress, catches the eye of the Prince.   Eventually marries her Prince and two years down the line we all have to fawn over her and her family.   Has she ever worked or paid taxes.  Not to my knowledge but now we will all be expected to curtsey to her.    You really could not make it up.    ha ha ha.

She is also (now) one of the most beautiful women in the world (as was Diana once she had married into the family).  

A lot of people comment about the way celebs are hero-worshipped/idolised by youngsters.   I can see no difference between the way Royalists and worshippers of celebs treat their "Gods", but at least the celebs "work" and pay taxes.

ha ha ha
The Prince of Wales, The Duchess of Cornwall and Princes William and Harry do not receive an allowance from the civil list.

http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/managementandfinances_finances.htm

Who was Prince William supposed to marry then?

How would you like the country to be run?

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Post by plebgate on 29.06.13 12:44

@kinell wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Kate Middleton been in the Royal family a couple of years, but because she is now Royal, "inspected" the Chelsea pensioners this year.   Please give me a break.   Went to Uni. photographed/modeled wearing a diaphenous dress, catches the eye of the Prince.   Eventually marries her Prince and two years down the line we all have to fawn over her and her family.   Has she ever worked or paid taxes.  Not to my knowledge but now we will all be expected to curtsey to her.    You really could not make it up.    ha ha ha.

She is also (now) one of the most beautiful women in the world (as was Diana once she had married into the family).  

A lot of people comment about the way celebs are hero-worshipped/idolised by youngsters.   I can see no difference between the way Royalists and worshippers of celebs treat their "Gods", but at least the celebs "work" and pay taxes.

ha ha ha

The Prince of Wales, The Duchess of Cornwall and Princes William and Harry do not receive an allowance from the civil list
.

http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/managementandfinances_finances.htm

Who was Prince William supposed to marry then?

How would you like the country to be run?



They have got such vast wealth they do not need to receive money from the civil list. All their travel etc. etc. is funded by the taxpayer including their homes. Duchy of Cornwall and all proceeds from that, owning the seabeds. What a load of rubbish.

Whoever they marry, we end up paying for them. I do not get a say in the matter, it is forced on me. Equality No.

I make my points in my posts, if I choose to say something such as how I would like the country run, then I will, I do not necessarily respond to questiones about it.

My point is - I do not like my taxes going to people whom I believe are NOT superior to me. You obviously believe you are not equal (therefore they are superior to you and yours) and that is your choice.

Even with the fighting fund, people were asked and had a choice as to whether they donated or not.

Last post on the matter, I have had my say and am happy that I can do so.smilie 

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Post by plebgate on 29.06.13 12:45

@tigger wrote:I think you have to hold a military rank in order inspect the military. It may well be the uneducated press who have no idea.
The Queen is Commander-in-Chief of the British Armed Forces, which entitles her to inspect the military. I'd be surprised if Kate Middleton has a military rank.

I agree that royalty has been turned into a celebrity fest. But who did that? The Holy Diana who washed her dirty linen in public. Coming from her background, she should have known better. The privileges of the aristocracy also carry restrictions. With the help of Blair (a religious maniac as bad as Bush) - her death was a godsend to him - 'the people's princess'  is what she became thanks to him. She was in fact a most disturbed unstable young woman, right from the start. She did not become one, marrying the heir to the throne didn't make her unstable, it only accelerated her decline. She turned the whole thing into a celebrity affair, together with the dreadful Ferguson woman. Dressing up as WPC's and getting into Annabel's 'anonymously' - except that leaking to the press came right from that quarter.
Dancing on Covent Garden stage with Wayne Sleep - please! Make up your mind to do the job you married into or go on the stage, just not both at once.

Quite a few royal houses in Europe have to marry commoners, as German princesses and princes are now thin on the ground, not a problem in most cases. Can't see the problem, it's a job, born into it or not, with advantages and drawbacks. Just get on with it. Wish KM would use a better make-up artist, the eye-make up is dreadfully overdone.


No it was not the press, I saw the Chelsea Pensioners standing before her on tv.

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Post by aquila on 29.06.13 13:08

I'm a royalist. I love the pomp and ceremony - nobody does it better than UK. I particularly adore the Queen and I think Lord help Britain if we become a republic which is why I loathe the EU.

Just my opinion

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Post by Guest on 29.06.13 13:21

@aquila wrote:I'm a royalist. I love the pomp and ceremony - nobody does it better than UK. I particularly adore the Queen and I think Lord help Britain if we become a republic which is why I loathe the EU.

Just my opinion

I'm with you on this...and presumably so were the many thousands of people who turned out in London to watch the Queen and her family during the jubilee celebrations, and the millions around the world who tuned in to watch it all on tv.

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Post by tigger on 29.06.13 13:56

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No it was not the press, I saw the Chelsea Pensioners standing before her on tv.
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That still doesn't mean she was 'inspecting' them. She was meeting them and imo left to herself, she' d rather have been doing something else - relaxing at home or something.
What you saw was the woman doing her job.


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