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Post by lj on 15.06.13 23:08

I am not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY.

 No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.

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Post by jd on 15.06.13 23:24

@rainbow-fairy wrote:I could be 100% wrong here jd, and anyone better versed in PT law may know, but I would think even if SY 'solved' the case, 'abductor' and all, it wouldn't affect Amaral?
It is my understanding that PT libel works in that if Amaral truly believed what he stated to be correct, then he cannot be guilty of libel (I believe this is how 'mad Marcos' got away with his comments about Amaral and Cipriano?
Hope so anyway!
Happy to be corrected if wrong yes

I hope this would be the case RF, but if SY come up with a result which in effect clears the mccanns, then I am sure they will find the way to hammer him for libel as it is now 'proven' (LOL) that they were innocent, whatever he believed. Its the fact there is a result that changes the rules is what I am not sure about. The law works in mysterious ways and not always logically or fairly. Hopefully if this scenario happens then GA would not have to face any kind of libel charges, be totally outrageous if he did

The fact that the mccanns were dripping in death cadaver in 11 different places, but SY are instead looking at dead paedos and physics dreams tells us where all this going

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Post by stillsloppingout on 15.06.13 23:29

I think it's the end game.  Scotland Yard  are not going to find against team McCann now , they are untouchable ,There will be a bit of posturing, a few more free suntans via the UK taxpayers .  there is no doubt  there will be somebody they can throw the book at but they wont in case it backfires . [ i think they will conclude she is ' missing  but possibly alive ' HONESTLY . ]
Then everybody will be happy . 

I have always had my suspicion why they are being protected at ALL cost  [ which they clearly are ] .but as a previous post states, the  [ grass roots ] Police dare not speak out especially if they have had orders from above, [  hence Hillsborough etc ... ].

  On a different note,  sad state of affairs in this country  its probably the reason why aged Dj's and C list soap stars are being charged with historical sex charges , to deflect attention away from IMO  the many hundreds of newer cases ,involving higher profile celebrities , members of Parliament , and other Professionals etc  .

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Post by Tony Bennett on 15.06.13 23:32

@lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.
Your definition of 'problem solved' is of course a million miles away from PeterMac's answer to what they mean by 'solving' the case.

On the subject of betting, maybe a book could be opened on who is the likeliest 'doer' that the 'crack' Scotland Yard Review Team will come up with. Something like this. perhaps:


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Post by Tony Bennett on 15.06.13 23:47

@stillsloppingout wrote:On a different note, sad state of affairs in this country  its probably the reason why aged DJs and C list soap stars are being charged with historical sex charges, to deflect attention away from IMO the many hundreds of newer cases, involving higher profile celebrities, Members of Parliament, and other professionals etc.

This is a common theory/explanation for what has been happening post-Savile. It also of course keeps us away from asking all those awkward questions about exactly who knew what Savile was doing, who actively helped him, who connived with him or did nothing- when they should have done something, what Savile actually did, and to how many, what his role was at Haut de la Garenne, for whom he organised the availability of sexual favours etc. etc.

A possible key to much of this may be the arrest of Max Clifford. Two main theories:

* It's the result of a genuine police investigation, OR

* It's to frighten him - and guarantee that he keeps his mouth shut about all the secrets of the celebs and politicos that he's acted for.

He did of course act for Robert Murat for a short period.

Surprisingly often, criminals turn 'Queen's Evidence' and, to get a lighter sentence, shop their fellow criminals, even for such major crimes as murder, robbery with violence, and drug-dealing etc.

But the code of silence seems to be unusually powerful for those involved in rings of people committing child sexual abuse.

It is as if they know how utterly repugnant to ordinary people their vile crimes are, and are bound by solemn oaths - and perhaps sheer fear - never to disclose to the police what they know about others who have been committing the same evil, criminal perversions as themselves.

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Post by lj on 15.06.13 23:54

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.
 Your definition of 'problem solved' is of course a million miles away from PeterMac's answer to what they mean by 'solving' the case.

On the subject of betting, maybe a book could be opened on who is the likeliest 'doer' that the 'crack' Scotland Yard Review Team will come up with. Something like this. perhaps:


Raymond Hewlett 5/4 on

Tipsy gypsy who knew Hewlett 100-30

Urs Hans von Aesch 10-1

33-1 bar

...or similar...

The problem from "problem solved" was not "what happened to Madeleine", but the "how can we get out of this mess without looking even more as the bumbling idiots, that we really are".

Yeah, I think there will be something created that makes it possible for Hewlett or von Aesch to have been there the night of the 3rd. The workorder has never been "find out what happened" but "make this stop".

Maybe I should start believing in Karma because I really have nothing of trust left in police or politics.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 15.06.13 23:57

@jd wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:I could be 100% wrong here jd, and anyone better versed in PT law may know, but I would think even if SY 'solved' the case, 'abductor' and all, it wouldn't affect Amaral?
It is my understanding that PT libel works in that if Amaral truly believed what he stated to be correct, then he cannot be guilty of libel (I believe this is how 'mad Marcos' got away with his comments about Amaral and Cipriano?
Hope so anyway!
Happy to be corrected if wrong yes

I hope this would be the case RF, but if SY come up with a result which in effect clears the mccanns, then I am sure they will find the way to hammer him for libel as it is now 'proven' (LOL) that they were innocent, whatever he believed. Its the fact there is a result that changes the rules is what I am not sure about. The law works in mysterious ways and not always logically or fairly. Hopefully if this scenario happens then GA would not have to face any kind of libel charges, be totally outrageous if he did

The fact that the mccanns were dripping in death cadaver in 11 different places, but SY are instead looking at dead paedos and physics dreams tells us where all this going
Absolutely!
However if memory serves (and lack of sleep doesn't help) Amaral was cleared of assault but Marcos stating it all wasfound to be 'not libellous' as he truly believed what Joana Cipriano told him at the time?
Surely the same would apply with the PJ investigation as it stood at the time?
I may be waaay off the mark!....

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Post by Guest on 16.06.13 0:17

Can someone help with this one. I've just been on Leicester Police website. I thought there was supposed to be a link there to the Fund website, I can't see it. And Madeleine doesn't seem to be listed as a missing person either. I know it's late (just back from a concert) perhaps I'm missing something.

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Post by Who?What?Where? on 16.06.13 2:25

I think we are reaching a critical moment now.


If the SY takeover of the case does not involve the tapas9 being re-interviewed , then you can be pretty sure that this is a set up.


If they are re-interviewed then there is at least some hope, that the Truth can come out. It could still be a set up, though. It does not mean that the truth will come out, in this particular instance, but it at least indicates that thing's may be heading in the right direction.


This is a fascinating case. It show's how, in a monetary system, financial bullying can stop the real truth from coming out.


There has been some great detective work from you guy's and gal's on here. IMHO. You deserve a round of applause.

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Post by aiyoyo on 16.06.13 3:04

Finn wrote:Can someone help with this one. I've just been on Leicester Police website. I thought there was supposed to be a link there to the Fund website, I can't see it. And Madeleine doesn't seem to be listed as a missing person either. I know it's late (just back from a concert) perhaps I'm missing something.

Yeap I notice they disassociate mccanns from their site a while ago. Maybe that's an ominous sign for the mccanns.

There must be a good reason and justification from the Yard to convince Home Office to increase the fund for this.
Give it a few more weeks after the Yard have got things set in motion we will hear more about 20 suspects.

So far no Pink puke about how delighted his clients are about the narrowing focus on the 20 suspects - maybe that's a good indication.

It's going to be very difficult for the Yard and Home Office to get away with a white wash after throwing more money into this, especially given the current climate of sleaze, paedo**** scandal, and corruption.





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Post by Who?What?Where? on 16.06.13 3:30

The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, about what happened in appartment 5A.

That is what people need to hear, isn't it?

Isn't that what we are all heading for?

Why would anything less than the whole truth be acceptable?

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Post by suzyjohnson on 16.06.13 3:38

'Portuguese Police need to make sure they keep copies of any info they hand over to British Police just in case it 'goes astray' or accidently gets shredded' Copied this quote from Cherry, and I think it's a very good idea.

If the Tapas group are re-interviewed they won't need to ask to re-read their previous interviews at the police station this time because all their interviews are online. 

I wonder about the affect of the SY announcement on the Tapas 7 , if they have covered for the McCanns, they must now be considering how much trouble they have potentially landed themselves in?

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Post by The Rooster on 16.06.13 7:00

I tried to post this with the Mail yesterday but the lightweight people that run the excuse didn't publish it. Free Press my ass! God knows how they are in business.


The McCanns were not eliminated from the enquiry, they refused to reenact the events of the night, thereby denying themselves the opportunity of being eliminated from the police investigation. WHY would they not want to cooperate and be transparent? Perhaps they will need to now. 


The MET are well capable of solving the case, remember the last person to see the child was the father.  If they can eliminate the father they can move on with the investigation, if they can't then what many believe as unthinkable, may confirm what the British Police advised their counterparts in Portugal... Look toward the parents and treat as a murder enquiry.  The Britsh trained sniffer dogs confirmed the scent of death on the mothers clothing, car key, car boot and in various places in their holiday apartment.  The dogs don't get it wrong despite the father belittling their findings. Should such findings not strike terror in the parents response rather than a sardonic rebuttal on Potuguese television!


Gerry when you arrive in prison... Imagine the wonderful reception party that awaits you... Just for you, they'll all want a piece of you. You deserve it all.

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Post by tigger on 16.06.13 7:12

@lj wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.
 Your definition of 'problem solved' is of course a million miles away from PeterMac's answer to what they mean by 'solving' the case.

On the subject of betting, maybe a book could be opened on who is the likeliest 'doer' that the 'crack' Scotland Yard Review Team will come up with. Something like this. perhaps:


Raymond Hewlett 5/4 on

Tipsy gypsy who knew Hewlett 100-30

Urs Hans von Aesch 10-1

33-1 bar

...or similar...

The problem from "problem solved" was not "what happened to Madeleine", but the "how can we get out of this mess without looking even more as the bumbling idiots, that we really are".

Yeah, I think there will be something created that makes it possible for Hewlett or von Aesch to have been there the night of the 3rd. The workorder has never been "find out what happened" but "make this stop".

Maybe I should start believing in Karma because I really have nothing of trust  left in police or politics.

Agree 100%.

My money's on Von Aesh or a 'man who never was' - especially constructed to take the rap. With the false flag operations increasing, inventing a lone paedo whose confession and remains will be found in a distant part of e.g. Austria/Croatia/Slowakia/ should be a doddle. Couple of actors to say they knew him and he was always weird and the thing's done.

If only the McCanns had shut up it would have gone away in time. Except for the likes of us of course.

Anyway, that's my last euro on Von Aesch (or a close associate of as I'm sure the narratives are being constructed even as we discuss this).

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Post by Me on 16.06.13 8:42

@tigger wrote:
@lj wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@lj wrote: Iam not a betting person, but in this case I'll bet that SY is going to find a doer, who cannot be heard (read dead person) and then close the case.

Problem solved, they still have their British saints, they still show how bad the Portuguese did everything and how smart SY are.

No way they will find any of the Tapas guilty.
 Your definition of 'problem solved' is of course a million miles away from PeterMac's answer to what they mean by 'solving' the case.

On the subject of betting, maybe a book could be opened on who is the likeliest 'doer' that the 'crack' Scotland Yard Review Team will come up with. Something like this. perhaps:


Raymond Hewlett 5/4 on

Tipsy gypsy who knew Hewlett 100-30

Urs Hans von Aesch 10-1

33-1 bar

...or similar...

The problem from "problem solved" was not "what happened to Madeleine", but the "how can we get out of this mess without looking even more as the bumbling idiots, that we really are".

Yeah, I think there will be something created that makes it possible for Hewlett or von Aesch to have been there the night of the 3rd. The workorder has never been "find out what happened" but "make this stop".

Maybe I should start believing in Karma because I really have nothing of trust  left in police or politics.

Agree 100%.

My money's on Von Aesh or a  'man who never was'  - especially constructed to take the rap. With the false flag operations increasing, inventing a lone paedo whose confession and remains will be found in a distant part of e.g. Austria/Croatia/Slowakia/   should be a doddle. Couple of actors to say they knew him and he was always weird and the thing's done.

If only the McCanns had shut up it would have gone away in time. Except for the likes of us of course.

Anyway, that's my last euro on Von Aesch (or a close associate of as I'm sure the narratives are being constructed even as we discuss this).

So why would SY take control of an investigation only to finger foreign nationals outside their reach and jurisdicition?

What would be the point of that?

It's hardly a good use of taxpayers money (which they have been granted extra money from the Home Office in order to take over the investigation) if they conclude it is someone outside of the UK who they cannot touch and require a EAW for?

Is it not far more likely that the Yard are taking it over to allow them to investigate British suspects?

Who do you think the most obvious British suspects are?

In every single investigation of a missing family member the family and freinds are investigated first and foremost due to it being a stasticial fact that the vast majority of crimes are commited by person or persons close to the victim.

Why do you think this case now will be investigated any differently?

Why do you think the statement made by the Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police, so kindly printed in Kate's book, is out of date or any less valid now then it was back then:

"While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance."

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Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann squad get funding boost ready for breakthrough

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Post by happychick on 16.06.13 9:09

Does this mean the Portuguese can no longer investigate this case even if new evidence comes to light?

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Post by plebgate on 16.06.13 9:12

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22919576


Is it any wonder a lot of people have doubts about this latest news re. new investigation?



I was thinking that as Kitten Heels May has allowed this new investigation then she  might want the truth of what happened that  night to be revealed.   She will not have liked Mrs. Brooks telling Cameron that if a review was not ordered then she would be plastered on the front pages for a week. (not exact wording).

Mrs. May is also a strong contender at the mo. for leader of Tories should call me Dave be replaced.   She might be in the mood to be thinking the solving of this case will give her kudos and an even stronger position should call me Dave get dumped, therefore a whitewash would be pointless as who knows what the press will start digging up once the final announcement of this new investigation is revealed.

The press are watching and waiting, they are beginning to publish articles about Leveson and his team.   Do not mess with the press, they have long memories.

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Post by plebgate on 16.06.13 9:30

Thanks for posting Graceful1.

So this witness believes the weirdo with the sunglasses is involved with Maddie's abduction because the weirdo stood watching him whilst he picked up some sheets.

Yeah that's right, any would be abductor would stand there and let a potential witness get a full look at him, so that one day the witness would be able to give detectives a full description especially as he was so weird looking with a big fat face.    ha ha ha.

Oh please stop this dung now.

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Post by aquila on 16.06.13 10:15

There's a deafening silence from TM. I read a comment that CM hasn't tweeted in 17 days. Kate hasn't been around according to her FB page re late delivery of holiday packs. Gerry has been inconspicuous for yonks apart from the infamous daytime telly sofa show of solidarity and the memorial service in Rothley.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing to say how pleased they all are that finally someone other than themselves is searching for Madeleine.

6 weeks of constant media and now....nothing.

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Post by Guest on 16.06.13 10:24

@aiyoyo wrote:Yeap I notice they disassociate mccanns from their site a while ago.  Maybe that's an ominous sign for the mccanns.

There must be a good reason and justification from the Yard to convince Home Office to increase the fund for this.  
Give it a few more weeks after the Yard have got things set in motion  we will hear more about 20 suspects.

So far no Pink puke about how delighted his clients are about the narrowing focus on the 20 suspects - maybe that's a good indication.

It's going to be very difficult for the Yard and Home Office to get away with a white wash after throwing more money into this, especially given the current climate of sleaze, paedo**** scandal, and corruption.

Suddenly this gives reason for hope.

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Post by Guest on 16.06.13 10:24

I have merged your topic GRACEFUL 1 with this thread as it is roughly the same story.

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Post by tigger on 16.06.13 10:47

Finn wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Yeap I notice they disassociate mccanns from their site a while ago.  Maybe that's an ominous sign for the mccanns.

There must be a good reason and justification from the Yard to convince Home Office to increase the fund for this.  
Give it a few more weeks after the Yard have got things set in motion  we will hear more about 20 suspects.

So far no Pink puke about how delighted his clients are about the narrowing focus on the 20 suspects - maybe that's a good indication.

It's going to be very difficult for the Yard and Home Office to get away with a white wash after throwing more money into this, especially given the current climate of sleaze, paedo**** scandal, and corruption.

Suddenly this gives reason for hope.

- and me! (your avatar is great - just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water....)

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Post by loopzdaloop on 16.06.13 11:00

@aquila wrote:There's a deafening silence from TM. I read a comment that CM hasn't tweeted in 17 days. Kate hasn't been around according to her FB page re late delivery of holiday packs. Gerry has been inconspicuous for yonks apart from the infamous daytime telly sofa show of solidarity and the memorial service in Rothley.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing to say how pleased they all are that finally someone other than themselves is searching for Madeleine.

6 weeks of constant media and now....nothing.

Perhaps someone might like to poke the nest on this to get a response via twitter or facebook.

I do agree with 'me' on the previous page. I don't think that they will be going for a patsy.
They had to investigate all these random people and random leads the mccanns had generated to rule them out. If the mccanns get their day in court they will be so slippery, the seabass and other prepared excuses will come out, as will their finger pointing in lots of different directions. Thanks to the review the proscution will now be able to say that the majority of theories are bunkem, except one... The one developed by our police in the first place.

The Mccanns did miss a trick, instead of trying to cast doubt upon dogs (ridiculous), they could have embraced the findings and then phantom pedo could become phantom pedo murderer and this might be a likely explanation...  What a coincidence the person that moved the body also drove the scenic!!

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Re: Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

Post by whmon on 16.06.13 11:02

Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell believes MBM to be still alive and is looking at child trafficking leads. Meanwhile, Martin Brunt tweets that MBM has been murdered then deletes tweet.



http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/portuguese-attorney-considers-new-evidence-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/

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