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British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by tigger on 02.06.13 19:43

Spaniel wrote:
I have no idea of the legalities regarding comments in newspapers as it's not my concern. I made it my concern though at the height of the TB proceedings to research whether a forum owner is liable for postings. They are not and it's here somewhere that to sue a forum owner would be akin to suing a newsagent for selling a paper containing libellous material.

We are all responsible for what we post, not the forum owner.
Think on. Would CR have gone after Tony Bennett if they could have had the site owner instead and closed it down?
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It would be wonderful if you could post the reference. TB wasn't prosecuted initially for anything he posted here but for distributing a booklet.
I find the analogy of a newsagent to a forum owner and administrator rather unlikely. The case of Sally Bercow v. McAlpine will be interesting in this respect since I recently read that there is a precedent which states that in a case of multiple sources of libel the main source should be taken to court and picking out individual offenders was disallowed by the court.

In the case of taking newspapers to court for libel, it's never an individual journalist but always the paper as a whole.

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Spaniel on 02.06.13 20:58

@tigger wrote:Spaniel wrote:
I have no idea of the legalities regarding comments in newspapers as it's not my concern. I made it my concern though at the height of the TB proceedings to research whether a forum owner is liable for postings. They are not and it's here somewhere that to sue a forum owner would be akin to suing a newsagent for selling a paper containing libellous material.

We are all responsible for what we post, not the forum owner.
Think on. Would CR have gone after Tony Bennett if they could have had the site owner instead and closed it down?
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It would be wonderful if you could post the reference. TB wasn't prosecuted initially for anything he posted here but for distributing a booklet.
I find the analogy of a newsagent to a forum owner and administrator rather unlikely. The case of Sally Bercow v. McAlpine will be interesting in this respect since I recently read that there is a precedent which states that in a case of multiple sources of libel the main source should be taken to court and picking out individual offenders was disallowed by the court.

In the case of taking newspapers to court for libel, it's never an individual journalist but always the paper as a whole.

I said did I not that papers didn't concern my research as we here are not newspapers. Go research that if you like. My concern at the time was this forum's liability, of which they have none.

I'm really tired of people here not understanding why TB was penalised and it was not because of a booklet. I could explain yet again, but I think your mind is closed.

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Lance De Boils on 02.06.13 21:50

I would be interested to know exactly how many "holiday packs" they actually sell! How many are they expecting to sell? And how many people WOULD put up posters etc if they didn't have to pay for them? In other words, how many people are put off by them having the flicking audacity to charge for the pictures?

They want everyone else to do all the searching, putting up posters, AND cover the costs of everything themselves.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FAMILY ACTUALLY DOING THEMSELVES?


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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Guest on 02.06.13 21:54

@Lance De Boils wrote:I would be interested to know exactly how many "holiday packs" they actually sell! How many are they expecting to sell? And how many people WOULD put up posters etc if they didn't have to pay for them? In other words, how many people are put off by them having the flicking audacity to charge for the pictures?

They want everyone else to do all the searching, putting up posters, AND cover the costs of everything themselves.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FAMILY ACTUALLY DOING THEMSELVES?




Surely that would be in the accounts how many of these things they sell.

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Peneda Geres on 02.06.13 22:22

@Lance De Boils wrote:I would be interested to know exactly how many "holiday packs" they actually sell! How many are they expecting to sell? And how many people WOULD put up posters etc if they didn't have to pay for them? In other words, how many people are put off by them having the flicking audacity to charge for the pictures?

They want everyone else to do all the searching, putting up posters, AND cover the costs of everything themselves.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FAMILY ACTUALLY DOING THEMSELVES?


Like I said in an earlier post, ask Missing persons to send you age progressed posters of MBM when you are off on holiday. No reason why they should not as they are a charity.

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Beanie on 02.06.13 22:23

@Lance De Boils wrote:I would be interested to know exactly how many "holiday packs" they actually sell! How many are they expecting to sell? And how many people WOULD put up posters etc if they didn't have to pay for them? In other words, how many people are put off by them having the flicking audacity to charge for the pictures?

They want everyone else to do all the searching, putting up posters, AND cover the costs of everything themselves.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FAMILY ACTUALLY DOING THEMSELVES?


Totally agree with you.

I have just put this point to a family member who thinks the McCanns can do no wrong. He is gobsmacked that with all the money raised, all items which could possibly help in spreading awareness are not free. As I pointed out, this is no ordinary case of a missing child.

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Beanie on 02.06.13 22:28

@Peneda Geres wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:I would be interested to know exactly how many "holiday packs" they actually sell! How many are they expecting to sell? And how many people WOULD put up posters etc if they didn't have to pay for them? In other words, how many people are put off by them having the flicking audacity to charge for the pictures?

They want everyone else to do all the searching, putting up posters, AND cover the costs of everything themselves.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FAMILY ACTUALLY DOING THEMSELVES?




Like I said in an earlier post, ask Missing persons to send you age progressed posters of MBM when you are off on holiday. No reason why they should not as they are a charity.

You have a very good point. It would be interesting to see if they oblige or refer people to the McCann's official website.

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Guest on 02.06.13 22:29

From the website

Why do we continue?
- if it was a genuine situation the reason for continuing wouldn't need to be justified. Nobody gives up on their kids.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
- if she was abducted that in itself is harm. Does a damaged child not deserve to be found?

Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
- "someone"? Someone different from the family who failed to take care of her in the first place? How is this anyone else's problem exactly?

She is very young and vulnerable and needs our help.
Exactly, she needed her parents help. But failed to get it. See above.

We love her dearly and miss her beyond words.
Well, I'm glad that's been clarified (pardon the pun). Pinkie or porkie?

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by PeterMac on 02.06.13 22:30

The poster is of an age-progressed photo -
Aged SIX.
Not TEN.
The McCanns and their Spokesthing Clarence Mitchell, and their private Detectives Edgar and whatsisname insist, and without ever having publicly resiled from that position
that
Madeleine is being held in a Hellish lair within 10 miles of PdL, by a predatory paedophile.
So where exactly are the public supposed to search, at the cost of £1.75p

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Woofer on 02.06.13 22:37

Dear Mr. and Mrs. McCann,

I`m going on a round the world trip to look for your Maddie. Would you be kind enough to let me know where you`ve already looked so I don`t go over the same ground again.

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Grey haired man who took charge

Post by Harriet94 on 02.06.13 22:48

Why don't you want to know who this is ? Why are'nt you interstested in finding out about a "pod "that contained childrens toys and photographic equipmentment? Source Steven Carpenters statement.

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Guest on 02.06.13 22:53

Harriet, I considered myself well versed, but I'm lost.Can you elaborate, please?

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Carpenters Statement

Post by Harriet94 on 02.06.13 23:04

Please read Carpenters statement from the PJ Files. I thought this was common knowledge. He mentions a grey haired man who took charge on the night Madeleine went missing. He also mentions a "pod" that contained a bed and children's toys. Sorry I didn't think this was anything new.

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Post by Guest on 02.06.13 23:18

Ah, this is what you mean :

DCF: And we made a request to the
local police to collect your
statement and it was in this
sequence that your statement
arrived. It is likely that my papers
are not in order because this page
is more about the details of the
search of the apartments near to
Gerry's apartment and mentions the
man from the laundry.

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: And about the searches carried
out.

SC: I remember that, yes.

DCF: You spoke to a man who later
showed you a garage where there was
a bed.

SC: Yes, well what happened was
that, Gerry's apartment was here
because it was not a flat area, it
was more or less like this and that
is why the opposite apartments were
higher.

DCF: Correct.

SC: That is why it could obviously
be seen, these apartments could be
looked over from above and all the
lower parts and where we, hummm..
this is where the grey haired man
was.

DCF: Right.

SC: Who had supposedly acquired a
property, and that is why I strongly
suggested that we should open the
maximum possible number of
doors,...I can't remember the name
of the man who I also met by chance
and who was doing some translating,
what was his name again, who helped
open the doors.


DCF: Was it John HILL'

SC: No, John Hill was a Mark Warner
employee, I can't remember his name,
but he...humm also knew the local
estate agent and different people
who helped to get the keys of the
properties from the letters, some of
whom were on holiday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And once the garage door was
opened, it was not just a garage for
a car, it was a type of "capsule" of
about six by nine metres in size
which became longer where there was
a bed in the corner, and it was when
we were searching this, the English
man with grey hair whose identity I
did not know, but who had explained
this to me.


DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... this garage belonged to
a Portuguese man, the man from the
laundry.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And when we entered the garage I
asked who lived there, he replied
that his son lived there and then
there were distractions and because
I was concentrated on the fifty year
old English man, this man is
Portuguese, it was only afterwards
when I thought later about what we
were searching for, it didn't occur
to me and I think it is because of
this that i mentioned it in my
statement two weeks later, because I
remember that there had been some
distortions.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Of course with Murat there is
Murat and the Russian individual,
you know....I thought that we might
well be looking for the totally
wrong person and the fact that a bed
existed in the garage and some
children's toys.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I thought, ohhh...its worth
mentioning this and that's the
reason I mentioned it in my
statement.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe
the Portuguese man, the laundry man
to me, yes'

SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this
at the beginning, which (inaudible)'
I think that afterwards, and
afterwards coincides with the fact
that he was the man from the laundry
and of the van parked there, because
as i have already explained, we were
here in a small street here above
which linked to the main road and to
everything beside here on top, the
rest was all pathways and I remember
that on two or three occasions I
thought...this is a dead end road,
the van was parked there, I never
saw anyone and more than once
assumed that it would be cleaning
staff and only this thought
coincided with the presence of the
man from the laundry, and if there
were any reply to be made in
relation to the link between the van
parked there and the laundry man.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Murat here, I think and the
laundry thing here.

DCF: Yes

SC: And I would once again give the
reason why I mentioned the subject..

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Post by bobbin on 02.06.13 23:29

Châtelaine wrote:Ah, this is what you mean :

DCF: And we made a request to the
local police to collect your
statement and it was in this
sequence that your statement
arrived. It is likely that my papers
are not in order because this page
is more about the details of the
search of the apartments near to
Gerry's apartment and mentions the
man from the laundry.

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: And about the searches carried
out.

SC: I remember that, yes.

DCF: You spoke to a man who later
showed you a garage where there was
a bed.

SC: Yes, well what happened was
that, Gerry's apartment was here
because it was not a flat area, it
was more or less like this and that
is why the opposite apartments were
higher.

DCF: Correct.

SC: That is why it could obviously
be seen, these apartments could be
looked over from above and all the
lower parts and where we, hummm..
this is where the grey haired man
was.

DCF: Right.

SC: Who had supposedly acquired a
property, and that is why I strongly
suggested that we should open the
maximum possible number of
doors,...I can't remember the name
of the man who I also met by chance
and who was doing some translating,
what was his name again, who helped
open the doors.


DCF: Was it John HILL'

SC: No, John Hill was a Mark Warner
employee, I can't remember his name,
but he...humm also knew the local
estate agent and different people
who helped to get the keys of the
properties from the letters, some of
whom were on holiday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And once the garage door was
opened, it was not just a garage for
a car, it was a type of "capsule" of
about six by nine metres in size
which became longer where there was
a bed in the corner, and it was when
we were searching this, the English
man with grey hair whose identity I
did not know, but who had explained
this to me.


DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... this garage belonged to
a Portuguese man, the man from the
laundry.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And when we entered the garage I
asked who lived there, he replied
that his son lived there and then
there were distractions and because
I was concentrated on the fifty year
old English man, this man is
Portuguese, it was only afterwards
when I thought later about what we
were searching for, it didn't occur
to me and I think it is because of
this that i mentioned it in my
statement two weeks later, because I
remember that there had been some
distortions.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Of course with Murat there is
Murat and the Russian individual,
you know....I thought that we might
well be looking for the totally
wrong person and the fact that a bed
existed in the garage and some
children's toys.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I thought, ohhh...its worth
mentioning this and that's the
reason I mentioned it in my
statement.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe
the Portuguese man, the laundry man
to me, yes'

SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this
at the beginning, which (inaudible)'
I think that afterwards, and
afterwards coincides with the fact
that he was the man from the laundry
and of the van parked there, because
as i have already explained, we were
here in a small street here above
which linked to the main road and to
everything beside here on top, the
rest was all pathways and I remember
that on two or three occasions I
thought...this is a dead end road,
the van was parked there, I never
saw anyone and more than once
assumed that it would be cleaning
staff and only this thought
coincided with the presence of the
man from the laundry, and if there
were any reply to be made in
relation to the link between the van
parked there and the laundry man.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Murat here, I think and the
laundry thing here.

DCF: Yes

SC: And I would once again give the
reason why I mentioned the subject..
goodness, I've never seen this before. really weird, is there any more on this.

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Post by Harriet94 on 02.06.13 23:29

Yes sorry it was descibed as a "capsule" not a pod. Still no idea as to who the grey-haired man is though

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Post by bobbin on 02.06.13 23:31

@Harriet94 wrote:Yes sorry it was descibed as a "capsule" not a pod. Still no idea as to who the grey-haired man is though
the only one I can think of is that 'Gerahty' person, a local but English, aged man who helped the McCs.

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Post by Guest on 02.06.13 23:32

@ bobbin

Yes, there's more. but ... it is a real strange statement, bearing in mind that the world and its dog knew by then who was Murat, the translator ...

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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by Guest on 02.06.13 23:35

1,146 readers now!
I'm gonna switch off.
Bonsoir, bonne nuit to each and everyone :-)

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Post by bobbin on 02.06.13 23:37

Châtelaine wrote:1,146 readers now!
I'm gonna switch off.
Bonsoir, bonne nuit to each and everyone :-)
Me too, it's gone 00.36 where I am.
Till morning time... bonne nuit.

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Post by Harriet94 on 02.06.13 23:38

Hi Chataleine. I'm confused, Did Murat translate Carpenters Statement?

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Post by Harriet94 on 03.06.13 0:03

Perhaps its only private investigators who are allowed to interpret information supplied by Carpenters/Gaspers. Tax funded Scotland Yard Back Off!

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Post by aiyoyo on 03.06.13 6:24

Bed and children toys in a capsuled garage.....

A 50ish grey Brit man...

Murat & Russian friend...

Laundry man of the Resort and a white van seen a few times in the vicinity....
(Laundry man would certainly need a van for transportation.)

All these in this Carpenter (guy?)...statement

Well depending when Carpenter's statement was taken he seemed to have observed a lot and definitely worth re-interviewing if only to determine who the 50ish greyhaired man. One of the men in the Tapas group is grey, not 50, but since grey can be mistook for 50 ish.


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Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

Post by tigger on 03.06.13 6:41

@PeterMac wrote:The poster is of an age-progressed photo -
Aged SIX.
Not TEN.
The McCanns and their Spokesthing Clarence Mitchell, and their private Detectives Edgar and whatsisname insist, and without ever having publicly resiled from that position
that
Madeleine is being held in a Hellish lair within 10 miles of PdL, by a predatory paedophile.
So where exactly are the public supposed to search, at the cost of £1.75p

But there's no evidence of her having come to any harm as Gerry McCann never fails to state in almost every interview. The British public isn't that gullible imo even when the popular press is falling over itself with 'soothing' couples, creepy men and six British cleaners in quick succession.

If this wasn't about a little girl who should be going to school now and have a normal life it would be funny. Now she has been used by every nutcase who ever wanted 15 minutes of fame.

The SY review must be coming to an end as the British public are asked again to help. The McCanns have stated last year that they would not employ private detectives so as not to duplicate or hinder the review. But it was a review, not an active search by SY so why stop looking?

Further info: http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5063-the-appointment-of-and-the-actions-of-the-mccann-team-s-private-investigatorsmetodo-3antonio-gimenez-rasokevin-halligendave-edgar?highlight=the+private


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