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Post by Daisy on 15.12.13 18:13

@ChillyHeat wrote:Does anyone else find it strange that he is not mentioned in the colouring book timelines....?

Not really. Creating alibis at that stage would have been waaaay too suss surely?   big grin

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Re: Jeremy Wilkins

Post by tigger on 16.12.13 6:45

@Monty Heck wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:Rachael Oldfield - witness statement 11 May 2007, 11.30am

'Further to that, about 10 minutes after Kate raised the alarm about the disappearance, the deponent was with Jane in the apartment of the latter. While talking, Jane told her that when she came to see their children, and passed Gerald talking to "Jez", she saw a man with a child, supported in his arms, which would not be a baby and could have been more or less the age of Madeleine. Also she said that when she saw the man, it seemed strange because he was walking very fast and had a child wearing pyjamas, without any other piece of clothing. That she questioned her [about it],  and Jane said to the deponent that at the time she had said nothing because she knew nothing of the disappearance of Madeleine and she had not seen the face of the child. Asked, says that, initially Jane focused more on the description of the man and, only a few days later, did she make reference to the clothes that the child would have worn, which would be pyjamas, not recalling if [when] she made a comprehensive description of clothing, especially of the colour or design.'


Why wait until 1am to go and speak to Jeremy ??


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

The whole page is worth a read.
Why indeed, and why bother to wake him and NOT ask him whether he had seen anything on his nocturnal ramble, but rather to tell him his help was not needed?

Doesn't that look more like waiting for the 'organiser' of the evening before adding or changing the original  script?
Something went wrong and changes were required. Was JT originally to have her 'vision' at another time? Did she have to wait to have a word with Gerry before giving a time?
Which would fit nicely with the visit to JW to remind him of speaking to Gerry and about oneo'clock Jane told Gerry.  A ready-made alibi  wouldlook suspicious, so the two events, JW and GM talking and JT seeing them and the abductor were better separated. Which may be why GM  insists he didn't see JT.  JT getting the dubiuos honour of seeing all three at once.

In short, if Smithman had to tally with Eggman JT's vision might have been set for 9.45. If GM ditched Smithman as too dangerous, how very much better that he should have an independent alibi for 9.15, backed up by JT's vision.
But he had to check back with JW  so he'd not forget his meeting.
So JT was left hanging around until she got her new lines from the director of the play.

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Re: Jeremy Wilkins

Post by Guest on 16.12.13 8:16

A good question at this juncture might be, did Jezza know Murat?

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Post by tigger on 16.12.13 8:40

Clay Regazzoni wrote:A good question at this juncture might be, did Jezza know Murat?

Why?  winkwink 

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Re: Jeremy Wilkins

Post by Guest on 16.12.13 9:19

@tigger wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:A good question at this juncture might be, did Jezza know Murat?

Why?   winkwink 

Just assume that I'm hopelessly nosey.

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 16.12.13 9:34

I've always been of the opinion that WILKINS knew more than he was letting on. At this point he may well be a police informant hence his refusal to discuss the matter further in public.

The synopsis on ODONNELS book is certainly interesting, it may be opportunism on her part, or indeed it may hold some material truth in relation to the high level Govt involvement in the matter, of which there can be no doubt.

Knocking WILKINS door at 1am to tell him a child was 'missing' and that no he couldn't help has always been bizarre even by TM standards. There was obviously a purpose to informing WILKINS. Did WILKINS place any calls ?  WILKINS as a leader of zionist youth/ friend of Israel would have numerous contacts. I remember a thread from a few years back mentioning this and watched how the rats and filth rapidly descended on the thread causing distraction, deflection and chaos. The reaction led me to the conclusion WILKINS is involved in some capacity.

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Post by suep on 16.12.13 9:47

@tigger wrote:
@Monty Heck wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:Rachael Oldfield - witness statement 11 May 2007, 11.30am

'Further to that, about 10 minutes after Kate raised the alarm about the disappearance, the deponent was with Jane in the apartment of the latter. While talking, Jane told her that when she came to see their children, and passed Gerald talking to "Jez", she saw a man with a child, supported in his arms, which would not be a baby and could have been more or less the age of Madeleine. Also she said that when she saw the man, it seemed strange because he was walking very fast and had a child wearing pyjamas, without any other piece of clothing. That she questioned her [about it],  and Jane said to the deponent that at the time she had said nothing because she knew nothing of the disappearance of Madeleine and she had not seen the face of the child. Asked, says that, initially Jane focused more on the description of the man and, only a few days later, did she make reference to the clothes that the child would have worn, which would be pyjamas, not recalling if [when] she made a comprehensive description of clothing, especially of the colour or design.'


Why wait until 1am to go and speak to Jeremy ??


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

The whole page is worth a read.
Why indeed, and why bother to wake him and NOT ask him whether he had seen anything on his nocturnal ramble, but rather to tell him his help was not needed?

Doesn't that look more like waiting for the 'organiser' of the evening before adding or changing the original  script?
Something went wrong and changes were required. Was JT originally to have her 'vision' at another time? Did she have to wait to have a word with Gerry before giving a time?
Which would fit nicely with the visit to JW to remind him of speaking to Gerry and about oneo'clock Jane told Gerry.  A ready-made alibi  wouldlook suspicious, so the two events, JW and GM talking and JT seeing them and the abductor were better separated. Which may be why GM  insists he didn't see JT.  JT getting the dubiuos honour of seeing all three at once.

In short, if Smithman had to tally with Eggman JT's vision might have been set for 9.45. If GM ditched Smithman as too dangerous, how very much better that he should have an independent alibi for 9.15, backed up by JT's vision.
But he had to check back with JW  so he'd not forget his meeting.
So JT was left hanging around until she got her new lines from the director of the play.

If JW is telling the truth I think its pretty certain that JT didn't walk past him and Gerry because its impossible for him not to have seen her. So Gerry had no choice but to agree with JW that he didn't see her either because it would have been equally impossible for him to done so and JW would know he was lying. I think its likely that Gerry is lying though when he said he crossed the road to speak to JW - something he could much more credibly claim to be mistaken about - and he did this as a kind of damage (disaster?) limitation to make it seem (slightly) more possible for JT to have walked by unnoticed by them both.
Who knows, maybe JT left the table to do her check and spotted the two men talking and hung back to avoid inevitably having to speak to them and thus being distracted from 'seeing' the 'abductor' walk by.
But we can only hypothesise, like someone said its a complete mystery.

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Re: Jeremy Wilkins

Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 14:40

How many miles can or will you walk in an Hour?

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The number of miles you can walk in an hour will depend on many factors such as your strength and age. In average, a person can walk around 3 to 5 miles per hour.

Disneyworld is a big place I suppose..... big grin 


Bridget O'Donnell :
Our baby would not sleep and at about 8.30pm, Jes took him out for a walk in the buggy to settle him. Gerry was on his way back from checking on his children and the two men stopped to have a chat. They talked about daughters, fathers, families. Gerry was relaxed and friendly. They discussed the babysitting dilemmas at the resort and Gerry said that he and Kate would have stayed in too, if they had not been on holiday in a group. Jes returned to our apartment just before 9.30pm.

Jeremy Wilkins :
I left about 8.15 pm – 8.30 pm.

60 - 75 minutes to get a baby asleep....After that stint, I wouldnt be up for, or care to watch a DVD  titter 

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Post by Mirage on 16.12.13 14:44

@ChillyHeat wrote:How many miles can or will you walk in an Hour?

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The number of miles you can walk in an hour will depend on many factors such as your strength and age. In average, a person can walk around 3 to 5 miles per hour.

Disneyworld is a big place I suppose..... big grin 


Bridget O'Donnell :
Our baby would not sleep and at about 8.30pm, Jes took him out for a walk in the buggy to settle him. Gerry was on his way back from checking on his children and the two men stopped to have a chat. They talked about daughters, fathers, families. Gerry was relaxed and friendly. They discussed the babysitting dilemmas at the resort and Gerry said that he and Kate would have stayed in too, if they had not been on holiday in a group. Jes returned to our apartment just before 9.30pm.

Jeremy Wilkins :
I left about 8.15 pm – 8.30 pm.

60 - 75 minutes to get a baby asleep....After that stint, I wouldnt be up for, or care to watch a DVD  titter 

"Jes took him out for a walk in the buggy to settle him"


Yeah, all the way down to the OC - to go to the toilet.

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Re: Jeremy Wilkins

Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 15:16

The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination. Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said he had seen me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage.


IMO he should be in the colouring book timeline....

ETA....When did Tanner mention Tannerman / Crecheman ???
Extra ETA....Jeremy...You spoke to Gerry for some minutes, so he didnt just SEE you....

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Re: Jeremy Wilkins

Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 15:40

IMO Jeremy spotted something very important. He does not want to return to do a reconstruction, but he does not want to talk about the case either

16 September 2007 News of the World
Wilkins was refusing to expand on what he has told police. His girlfriend Bridget O'Donnell —who was in Praia da Luz with the producer and their eight-month-old son—said: "We have decided it's not appropriate to talk about what happened."

Wilkins' pal added: "He came back from the holiday totally shell-shocked. He was part of a British crowd which included the McCanns who became friends as they holidayed in Portugal.

"He played tennis with Gerry the day before Madeleine disappeared. He has barely said a word about the whole case. He feels as a potential witness that would be inappropriate."

In the Guardian.....Friday December 14 2007
Bridgette talks about it all.....

It was a welcome spring break, a chance to relax at a child-friendly resort in Portugal. Soon Bridget O'Donnell and her partner were making friends with another holidaying family while their three-year-old daughters played together. But then Madeleine McCann went missing and everyone was sucked into a nightmare.....etc etc

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Post by Guest on 16.12.13 16:11

@ChillyHeat wrote:I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination.

Outgoing bunch weren't they? Is this the same plane Pennington was on? Can't believe she wouldn't also make her presence known.

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Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 16:25

But according to a source, finding enough gypsies to fill a series in just ten months of production was very difficult for its makers, led by Jes Wilkins, Firecracker’s head of programmes and the executive producer of the series.

‘It is well known that payments were made to the gypsies who appeared in the first series,’ claims the source. ‘It’s understood Firecracker paid cash for photographs and other expenses.’

But the series failed to answer many pertinent questions, such as where  the gypsies found the six-figure sums often spent on the weddings.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106498/Big-Fat-Gypsy-goldmine-How-TV-company-exploited-travellers-make-rich-indeed.html#ixzz1nUg01EM6

More discussion in the link below...
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19176-mccann-witness-jes-wilkins-the-big-fat-gypsy-scam


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Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 16:54

Is it possible Jeremy had contact with any of these Doctors in 2006......

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804494/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_45
http://www.iaph.org/articles_hypnosurgery.html

Jes Wilkins..... executive producer of the show
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An executive producer enables and backs up the making of a commercial entertainment product. He or she is concerned with management accounting and possibly with associated legal issues. An EP also contributes to the film's budget, and does not work on set.

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Post by Guest on 16.12.13 17:14

@ChillyHeat wrote:Is it possible Jeremy had contact with any of these Doctors in 2006......

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804494/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_45
http://www.iaph.org/articles_hypnosurgery.html

Jes Wilkins..... executive producer of the show
executive producer
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An executive producer enables and backs up the making of a commercial entertainment product. He or she is concerned with management accounting and possibly with associated legal issues. An EP also contributes to the film's budget, and does not work on set.

The programme is on YouTube, rather you watch it than me!


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Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 17:17

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:Is it possible Jeremy had contact with any of these Doctors in 2006......

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804494/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_45
http://www.iaph.org/articles_hypnosurgery.html

Jes Wilkins..... executive producer of the show
executive producer
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An executive producer enables and backs up the making of a commercial entertainment product. He or she is concerned with management accounting and possibly with associated legal issues. An EP also contributes to the film's budget, and does not work on set.

The programme is on YouTube, rather you watch it than me!



Im just about to have my dinner..... big grin 

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Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 17:25

The last from me for now on Jes....... titter 
It turns out to be an easy ask – ‘The Autistic Me,’ he responds quickly, ‘It was my first real mission and a real reference point for people, whilst also being entertaining, emotional, but fun.’

Disability, and those who have their lives affected by disability or difference – Our Daughter the Mermaid, My New Face – are a common thread in Jes’s work.  Why is he drawn to these issues?
http://www.thetvcollective.org/2011/12/05/tvc-who%E2%80%99s-who-media-powerlist-%E2%80%93-jes-wilkins-by-jane-renton/



http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/mccanns-alibi-film-director-jes-wilkins.html


Quite similar looking to Gerry isnt he.....IMO


Both Jeremy and Bridget work within the television production industry producing documentary programmes. Bridget previously worked alongside the Police on the Crime Watch television programme and was aware of the importance for the need of collating background information.

Jeremy and Bridget have been married for several years and have two children, XXXX (F) 3 yrs and XXXX (M) 8 months. It may be of interest to note that these names are Hebrew names and spellings have been checked.

They chose that specific period to go to the Praia Da Luz resort because of the childcare facilities and the fact that it was the cheapest week of the season.

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Post by Guest on 16.12.13 17:45

@ChillyHeat wrote:

Im just about to have my dinner..... big grin 

OK, started to watch it on behalf of the forum....

Interesting premise, hypnosis vs. anaesthesia. Presented by Sarah Smith, daughter of former Labour leader John Smith.

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Post by chillyheat on 16.12.13 18:13

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:

Im just about to have my dinner..... big grin 

OK, started to watch it on behalf of the forum....

Interesting premise, hypnosis vs. anaesthesia. Presented by Sarah Smith, daughter of former Labour leader John Smith.

Off topic....But in light of what I said over the weekend.
http://didnwofabiansmurderjohnsmithmp.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/was-john-smith-murdered.html

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Post by Guest on 17.12.13 14:06

@ChillyHeat wrote:The last from me for now on Jes....... titter 
It turns out to be an easy ask – ‘The Autistic Me,’ he responds quickly, ‘It was my first real mission and a real reference point for people, whilst also being entertaining, emotional, but fun.’

Disability, and those who have their lives affected by disability or difference – Our Daughter the Mermaid, My New Face – are a common thread in Jes’s work.  Why is he drawn to these issues?
http://www.thetvcollective.org/2011/12/05/tvc-who%E2%80%99s-who-media-powerlist-%E2%80%93-jes-wilkins-by-jane-renton/



http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/mccanns-alibi-film-director-jes-wilkins.html


Quite similar looking to Gerry isnt he.....IMO


Both Jeremy and Bridget work within the television production industry producing documentary programmes. Bridget previously worked alongside the Police on the Crime Watch television programme and was aware of the importance for the need of collating background information.

Jeremy and Bridget have been married for several years and have two children, XXXX (F) 3 yrs and XXXX (M) 8 months. It may be of interest to note that these names are Hebrew names and spellings have been checked.

They chose that specific period to go to the Praia Da Luz resort because of the childcare facilities and the fact that it was the cheapest week of the season.

Is the info re the children's ages correct?

If so, which child was 'Jez' carting around in a buggy in 2007?

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Post by chillyheat on 17.12.13 14:22

It was his son he had in a pram (in his words) or a buggy according to Bridgette. But that means nothing  big grin 
Lets call it a prammybug. Anyway.....It was a 60 - 75 minute stroll

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Post by russiandoll on 17.12.13 14:58

quote Portia  "
Is the info re the children's ages correct?

If so, which child was 'Jez' carting around in a buggy in 2007? "


 If I am reading correctly, it would have been the child who was aged 3 in 2009 ?

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Post by chillyheat on 17.12.13 15:26

@russiandoll wrote:quote Portia  "
Is the info re the children's ages correct?

If so, which child was 'Jez' carting around in a buggy in 2007? "


 If I am reading correctly, it would have been the child who was aged 3 in 2009 ?

Our son was awake and unable to sleep. I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8.15 pm – 8.30 pm......The son was 8 months at the time

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Post by russiandoll on 17.12.13 16:19

thanks for the correction CH, I read the piece quickly and thought it was written 2009 and children's ages current,

 of course I should have remembered that they were a family of four not three in May 2007 !

 Long walk on a cool night though ........

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Post by Doug D on 17.12.13 16:56

Long walk, but from personal experience I can believe it. I spent the first three years of our daughters life wandering the streets (or driving on wet nights), as without the movement she would rarely settle and as soon as the buggy stopped moving she would wake again unless in a really good sleep. Fortunately our son loved his bed!

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