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Clarrie is in over-drive this week

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Re: Clarrie is in over-drive this week

Post by sheila.edwards on 27.05.13 0:46

agree why are mccanns wanting to speak to suspects! With all the PR,family fund and hype it makes you think this is not about a real person at all anymore.It seems more like a farce.Parents seem to think they are celebrity victims and mother good role model to be suitable, as an ambassador for missing people, there is no shame it seems, is there a salary taken ? Now more nonsense tabloid tales its all to much and the money spent on operation grange is outrageous if cant find any proper suspects why don't they just say ! Portugese police tried their best. Cant journalist go get proper sourced stories anymore or are they scared of being sued or something. It seems they just do a madeline made up story or non story leaks daily. do they think were all daft ?

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Post by NoPasaran on 27.05.13 3:41

I'm fairly new to this case and stumbled on the files and forums a few months ago via another missing person case, although of course it would be impossible not to be aware of the 'official' version! For me, it's the media manipulation that's the crux of the whole thing - whenever I waver and start to think that there could be some truth in the McCann's story, I'm led back to the scale of the cover-up. And this recent spin is just beyond ridiculous. It does seem as if the so-called 'serious' press is not really covering the story much any more, and that's hardly surprising, because if they ran these recent 'new suspect' stories, they would be a laughing stock.

As for the tabloids (and I include the Mail and the Express there, because their news values are no better), they do seem to be becoming pretty lax about reporting, as if they've handed it over to a few students on work experience, just to re-hash stories from the archives. There's no real attempt at even a pretence of accuracy, and far less monitoring of comments. Where the 'whooshing' happens, it's a bit slow, so that some genuine criticisms are staying up for a while, beyond the usual denigration of the McCann's parenting practices. So that allows doubt to be circulated, and it's definitely increasing - I think some readers might have thought they were alone with their reservations, but they're clearly not.

The recent stories also don't have the ring of a press release, except for the Hamish Campbell story - I think Clarence did capitalise on that one. But the others are quite careless: a mish-mash of facts, speculation and errors. If they did come from Clarrie, I think he needs to brush up on his skills! I think they're coming from the newspapers themselves, scrabbling around for something to say to keep the story running, but with far more important news to cover.

I don't think the McCann's will go to court, ever, but I still don't think they'll 'get away with it' either, because their lives will be spent with the knowledge that many people despise them, for a whole range of reasons: the parenting, the lies, the pretend charity, or just the whole aura of fakeness that surrounds them. And then there's the fear of the twins coming across all the negative coverage - it's interesting that the Mirror has a handy re-cap of its old cover stories, but it's easy to find anyway. And what happens when they go out into the world? There will be plenty of people all too ready to remind them that their parents were under suspicion of killing their sister.

At the moment they can stay vigilant, sue any nay-sayers, control the twins' access to the media etc, but this is never going to go away. And the press is fickle anyway - once they're 'cleared', there's no story - except that the parents will then have a battle to stop coverage of their remaining children and their lives. It's easier to protect them now, but what about when they are adults? A whole lifetime of looking over your shoulder to see who's watching. I don't envy that. And no fund left for lawyers, because inevitably, interest is going to decline, and even if they have some cash backers now, most of those will be self-interested parties, as with Hugh Grant's donation for the marathon run.

So there's no happy ending for the McCann's. A flurry of interest over the next few months, with the Amaral case and maybe a favourable conclusion to the SY review, and a few more of Lorraine's sycophantic non-interviews. Then out of the limelight, probably the worst of punishments for the self-important.

Bit of a ramble there for a first post!

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Re: Clarrie is in over-drive this week

Post by celtclogs on 27.05.13 5:39

NoPasaran and

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Post by tigger on 27.05.13 6:54

@celtclogs wrote:NoPasaran and

Seconded! -and roses
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As for the tabloids (and I include the Mail and the Express there, because their news values are no better), they do seem to be becoming pretty lax about reporting, as if they've handed it over to a few students on work experience, just to re-hash stories from the archives. There's no real attempt at even a pretence of accuracy, and far less monitoring of comments. Where the 'whooshing' happens, it's a bit slow, so that some genuine criticisms are staying up for a while, beyond the usual denigration of the McCann's parenting practices. So that allows doubt to be circulated, and it's definitely increasing - I think some readers might have thought they were alone with their reservations, but they're clearly not.
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Post by aiyoyo on 27.05.13 7:47

@PeterMac wrote:
@plebgate wrote:. . . , but if they have to go to court, who knows what will happen when they are alone in the witness box?
They will NEVER go into a witness box.
Not in Portugal
Not in England.
The most we could ever hope for is a dock, but that is getting increasingly unlikely.

Sadly, it appears increasing that way.
If MET random announcements are anything to go by, then even dock looks like remote possibility, unless the body is found.
Not because the Police are turning a blind eye, but because they found no substantive evidence , not enough to go all the way anyway.

In their case vs Amaral it is expected of them to attend Court in person, but NOT mandatory requirement under the PT law far as I know.
All the arguments and counter-arguments were presented on documents by both parties legal team, already filed in Court, and perused by the Judge before trial. Both sides lawyers are in possession of each other side arguments.
The writing must already be on the wall. That would explain how ID already knew the conclusion is a foregone one, hence her advice to her clients to ditch the trial and to settle out of court on Amaral terms. Predictably we learnt that no agreement was reached, that the case is now reverted back to Court to decide.

There won't be any cross examining of either plaintiff or defendant at the Witness box as people seemed to believe - that's not allowed under the PT complex judiciary systems.
Peripheral witnesses for either party would have to be pre-notified and approved by the Court.
At most elements within statements of Witnesses for Amaral, or leaks of Court documents might cause embarrassment and damage to the Mccanns; but they wont be embarrassed from Witness Box.
In view of the nasty surprise they got last time around, you can bet your bottom dollar they will prepare better to handle any more of those surprises this time around by having their pink spokes-creature on 24 hours standby duty to spin in the UK media.

IMO, this time round their damage control mechanism is already in gears ready to go even before they stepped onto the plane. It wont be an impromptu utterance from a furious Mr.

I am guessing they go for the trial (if only for easy conferment with ID) but wont appear in Court. They hide in ID's office or hotel room waiting for news. They attended the last one because they were mistakenly confident. If their cave in holds true, this time around, they wont show up in court for their crashing defeat.

Damaging evidence that may emerge from their libel trial vs Amaral is their biggest fear, but bear in mind they're not on trial for here.
If it comes to that , it would have to be a separate trial, and that is looking increasingly unlikely.








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Re: Clarrie is in over-drive this week

Post by jeanmonroe on 27.05.13 11:10

S&M
"and I don't believe the PJ feel that they can force the McCanns and the Tapas 7 to go back and co-operate with requisitioning and that is where the stalemate lies, IMO."

The PJ souldn't have to force anything!
The McCanns and the Tapas 7 should be falling over themselves to get to Portugal, and do ANYTHING, as they PROMISED (hope they never promise their own kids anything) to co-operate unreservedly in doing absolutely everything to help get Madeleine back!
They ALL did PROMISE, after all.
What would happen if a 'nasty, nutter' as the McCanns have said, has enough of this BS, and tries to take more direct action, to get some resolution?
Would the McCanns have this 'nutter' charged?
And would they have to appear in a court room as 'witnesses'?
Subjected to 'cross examination'?

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Post by Beanie on 27.05.13 17:22

I wonder if Clarrie is in overdrive because they have got wind that the case is going to be reopened and the McCanns want the UK to believe it is because of these supposed missed suspects, when it is in fact because of some entirely new evidence. Or maybe that stand alone evidence that G Amaral has mentioned.

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Post by aiyoyo on 28.05.13 4:03

Personally I don't even think it is pink going into overdrive.
Just the Press wanting diversity for news, a change from alternating between naming 'branded' paedo***** and royal baby on the way.

There isn't any need for pinky special talent anymore because the case will stay on the shelf if Blacksmith is to be believed, and generally speaking people hold his comment in high esteem.

When you think about it, considering he swears by the Mccanns for his success, it's surprising he hasn't come up with a bestseller to beat all bestsellers for the Story of the Century.

o/t
Last I read, Amanda Knox's "Waiting to be Heard" isnt flying off the shelves because of potential libelous charges from the Italian Prosecutor/s.

The only hope left is perhaps Amaral suing Mr & Mrs and their pink boots licker then maybe the Public will get to hear some hard facts Truth.

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Post by plebgate on 28.05.13 7:38

@aiyoyo wrote:Personally I don't even think it is pink going into overdrive.
Just the Press wanting diversity for news, a change from alternating between naming 'branded' paedo***** and royal baby on the way.

There isn't any need for pinky special talent anymore because the case will stay on the shelf if Blacksmith is to be believed, and generally speaking people hold his comment in high esteem.

When you think about it, considering he swears by the Mccanns for his success, it's surprising he hasn't come up with a bestseller to beat all bestsellers for the Story of the Century.

o/t
Last I read, Amanda Knox's "Waiting to be Heard" isnt flying off the shelves because of potential libelous charges from the Italian Prosecutor/s.

The only hope left is perhaps Amaral suing Mr & Mrs and their pink boots licker then maybe the Public will get to hear some hard facts Trut
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Well for any deal to be done, that would of course been considered by their lawyers.

I really cannot see how they can come out of the libel trial proceedings having won, but we will wait and see.

I hope that come July a date will be given for the trial to proceed and that the judge orders no further postponements.

I thought Blacksmith was now blogging on a different site - was it the Cracked Mirror or have I misunderstood the post from last week?

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