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Post by Spaniel on 11.05.13 16:33

I'm surprised there's no comment here as to this attempted cover up, especially as who attempted it as a representative is a familiar name to us.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4915628/Tory-Obama-bids-to-gag-The-Sun-over-11m-homes.html

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Post by PeterMac on 11.05.13 17:02

Perhaps she's got no evidence, and is just relying on what she has been told !

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'West Yorkshire Police whitewash falling apart already' - Sunday Telegraph

Post by Tony Bennett on 11.05.13 23:49

Jimmy Savile abused four children aged five (not one as falsely claimed by West Yorkshire Police)

Jimmy Savile sexually assaulted four children when they were aged just five — three more than police had previously claimed, it can be revealed.

He abused the children between 1962 and 1976 in West Yorkshire, where he had a home in Leeds.

The disclosure takes his offending to a new level, it has now been claimed, but it also raises questions over the conduct of West Yorkshire Police.

The force only admitted Savile had four five-year-old victims after repeated questions from this newspaper.

In a 59-page report on its dealings with the serial paedophile published last week it suggested there was one victim of that age.

A spokesman for the force said the report might have been “slightly misleading”, while one MP said it appeared the force’s account of events was “unravelling”.

West Yorkshire Police was already facing serious criticism over its report, written by one of its own officers, but described by one critic as “a whitewash”.

It will now come under fresh scrutiny over how it dealt with the investigation into Savile.

The report, written by Det Chief Supt David Knopwood, said “the youngest victim was five years old at the time of the offence”, three years younger than was recorded by a previous joint investigation by the NSPCC and Scotland Yard.

When The Telegraph asked for further information on Friday, the force said no more details could be disclosed because the inquiry was still open.

West Yorkshire later conceded that four of Savile's victims were aged five. It said two victims had come forward last December and two earlier this year.

However, the joint Scotland Yard-NSPCC report, published on Jan 11 after an inquiry that began on Oct 19, described the youngest known victim as aged eight.

Peter Watt, of the NSPCC, said the fact should have been in the public domain. The charity was only told of the four victims late on Friday night.

“I was shocked that there was one child of five that had suffered,” he said. “The fact that there were four is truly appalling and I think it is a piece of information that it would have been very useful to have out in the public domain sooner, not least of which because it adds to the overall picture of what Savile was and what he was like as an abuser.

“The fact that there are now a reasonable number of very young children, and boys, that clearly changes things — it somehow makes it even more shocking.”

Alan Collins, a lawyer acting for 43 of Savile’s victims, said: “The report is pathetic.

“They have not been open about the number of victims aged five.

“It is bad enough he was abusing teenagers but now we are talking about young children which takes it to a new level.”

Rob Wilson, a Tory MP critical of the police and the BBC’s handling of Savile and the numerous missed opportunities to catch him, said: “I said on the day that this report from West Yorkshire Police was published that I found it difficult to have much confidence in it.

“The fact that it appears to be unravelling under scrutiny suggests that there was a clear conflict of interest at the heart of it, between getting to the truth of its officers’ relations with Savile and protecting the force’s own reputation.”

West Yorkshire police has already come under fire for its close relationship with the television presenter and radio disc jockey, who fronted crime prevention campaigns and attended numerous events.

Eight West Yorkshire Police officers visited Savile's penthouse apartment in Roundhay — four on a regular basis — as members of his Friday Morning Club.

They included Matthew Appleyard, a sergeant serving at Wetherby police station, and retired inspector Mick Starkey, who would regularly drive Savile in his Rolls-Royce.

But the report said officers had found no evidence that he was protected from arrest or prosecution as a result of his relationship with individuals in the West Yorkshire force.

It also cleared officers in the Friday Morning Club of any “impropriety or misconduct”.

However it showed that 35 staff at the force only came forward with information when senior investigators demanded they do so in March — six months after the television celebrity was unmasked as a predatory paedophile, and almost five months after a squad of Scotland Yard detectives began investigating his criminal past, making use of police resources and databases across the country.

The intelligence from West Yorkshire officers led to the discovery of two new victims and 11 new lines of inquiry.

It is understood that this information did not relate to the five-year-old victims.

A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said much of the information from the 35 officers and staff who came forward in March was “related to rumour rather than evidential material”.

“None of the information would merit disciplinary action,” he said.

“However the full report has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.”

Assistant Chief Constable Ingrid Lee admitted both that they had let his victims down and that mistakes had been made in how the force recorded and handled information relating to Savile.

Six incidents examined in the report have now been referred to the Independent Police Complaints
Commission.


The report, called Operation Newgreen, admitted that the review team did find “recollections of events were often vague and incomplete” while changes in the recording, handling and weeding of information meant it was unable to “fully establish the facts”.

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Daily Star on Sunday: PRINCE CHARLES-JIMMY SAVILE COVER-UP (Allegedly)

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Post by Guest on 12.05.13 0:37

Now if the heir to the throne can be named in the media as allegedly implicated in a cover-up, surely there's nothing to stop anyone else suspected of criminal behaviour being named.

I have a real unsavoury couple and their friends in mind........

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Post by sharonl on 12.05.13 10:32

candyfloss wrote:CHARLES' LINKS TO SAVILE



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/314114/CHARLES-LINKS-TO-SAVILE/



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A TOP-level cover-up was ordered to hide close links between Prince Charles and paedo Jimmy Savile, we can reveal today.


The full truth has been uncovered following a seven-month battle by the Daily Star Sunday.

A raft of documents was released last year showing former Prime Minister Maggie Thatcher’s dealings with Savile.

But Whitehall mandarins ordered key paragraphs to be blanked out to save people’s blushes.


We challenged that ruling under Freedom Of Information laws and were initially turned down.


It was only after a further appeal, when we said it was in the public interest to expose what Thatcher and her officials were discussing, that the information was finally released last week.

It shows Savile claimed Prince Charles had agreed to be a patron of one of his charities – and, crucially, last year someone in power had decided we shouldn’t know that fact, despite it being common knowledge that the Prince and weirdo Savile were pals.

Officials at the National Archive, which houses the documents, last night blamed the Cabinet Office, under the control of Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood, for redacting the documents.

The cover-up concerned Savile asking Prince Charles to be patron of his Stoke Mandeville appeal.


The letter to Thatcher from one of her aides reads: “Even more encouraging, though again confidential at this stage, Jimmy Savile tells me that the Prince of Wales has agreed to be Patron of the Appeal.”

The nugget was contained in a one page letter headed PRIME MINISTER dated March 6, 1980, and initialled G.V.

The letter was part of a Savile file released under the 30-year rule by the National Archives at Kew, south-west London, last year.

It included pervert Savile declaring his love for the former PM, showing how well connected he was to establishment figures.

A National Archives official explained the Charles paragraph was excluded under sections 40 and 41.

Section 40 refers to information that it would breach the Data Protection Act to reveal that that person would have a “legitimate expectation” that the information would remain private.

Section 41 covers information that was given in confidence.

Two documents in the dossier are still being covered up and will stay secret for 40 years after a ruling last October when claims about Savile began to emerge.

One, misspelling Savile’s name, is described as “Letter from Jimmy Saville to Prime Minister (undated).”

The other is “Telephone message from Jimmy Savile” dated February 5, 1980.

Last night it was still unclear whose blushes were being spared by those sections ­remaining blanked out.

Freedom of information campaigners have criticised officials for misusing the rules to keep information secret.

Maurice Frankel, director of the Campaign For Freedom Of Information, said: “They often use these sections to protect the identity of people who are actually players in the decision-making process who ought to be identified.

"Sometimes people haven’t behaved properly and shouldn’t have any expectation of having their identity protected. If you persist, you can succeed in overturning these decisions.”

Former Top Of The Pops presenter Savile was a fundraiser for Stoke Mandeville hospital in Buckinghamshire, where he also preyed on young patients.

One paralysed woman said Savile abused her when she was 13 and recovering in the children’s ward in 1971.

Nurses even warned youngsters “pretend to be asleep” when he visited.

The hospital launched its own inquiry after a catalogue of attacks was revealed across the country, dating back to 1955.

Savile was also allowed in and out of Charles’ residence St James’ Palace when he acted as a marriage guidance counsellor for Charles and Diana.

Charles, who led tributes when Savile died, aged 84, in October 2011, had sent him cigars and gold cufflinks on his 80th birthday.

A note with the gifts read: “Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country, Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that.”

Last night, a spokeswoman for Charles said the redaction was nothing to do with his office. It was public knowledge that he was patron of that appeal, she said.

And the Cabinet Office added: “As a result of the review of the FOI request, the Cabinet Office decided a small amount of information may be released.

“The reason it was originally redacted is quoted in section 40 and 41.

A review decided that a small extract could be released.”

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Post by sharonl on 12.05.13 10:40

Amazing how the press prints such material about the Royals but they are very selective in what they print about the McCann case.

Prince Charles allegedly received an anonymous e-mail about Madeleine McCann.
http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/prince-charles-website-names-suspect-in.html

Prince Charles is involved in a dramatic intervention in the Madeleine McCann case according to today's News of the World.

An anonymous e-mail sent to the prince's official website says the three-year-old Madeleine was kidnapped from the Mark Warner Ocean Club holiday resort in Portugal by a disgruntled ex-employee.

The informant named a maid who was sacked from the apartment complex in Praia da Luz and claimed she snatched the child in a revenge plot.

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Post by Guest on 12.05.13 11:54

Is this why Her Maj intervened when the Butler was charged with theft of Diana's personal belongings?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/2003-11-10-prince-charles_x.htm

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Post by plebgate on 12.05.13 12:54

Cherry Blossom wrote:Is this why Her Maj intervened when the Butler was charged with theft of Diana's personal belongings?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/2003-11-10-prince-charles_x.htm

I had forgotten all about that Cherry Blossom. Yes maj did have a sudden remembrance and the case just faded away. Well I flippin never.

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Post by plebgate on 12.05.13 12:59

They look like twins Tony.

In with the very top and stayed there till the filthy git died. Very rare that.

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Post by Guest on 13.05.13 8:04

@Tony Bennett wrote:Jimmy Savile abused four children aged five (not one as falsely claimed by West Yorkshire Police)

Jimmy Savile sexually assaulted four children when they were aged just five — three more than police had previously claimed, it can be revealed.

He abused the children between 1962 and 1976 in West Yorkshire, where he had a home in Leeds.

The disclosure takes his offending to a new level, it has now been claimed, but it also raises questions over the conduct of West Yorkshire Police.

The force only admitted Savile had four five-year-old victims after repeated questions from this newspaper.

In a 59-page report on its dealings with the serial paedophile published last week it suggested there was one victim of that age.

A spokesman for the force said the report might have been “slightly misleading”, while one MP said it appeared the force’s account of events was “unravelling”.

West Yorkshire Police was already facing serious criticism over its report, written by one of its own officers, but described by one critic as “a whitewash”.

It will now come under fresh scrutiny over how it dealt with the investigation into Savile.

The report, written by Det Chief Supt David Knopwood, said “the youngest victim was five years old at the time of the offence”, three years younger than was recorded by a previous joint investigation by the NSPCC and Scotland Yard.

When The Telegraph asked for further information on Friday, the force said no more details could be disclosed because the inquiry was still open.

West Yorkshire later conceded that four of Savile's victims were aged five. It said two victims had come forward last December and two earlier this year.

However, the joint Scotland Yard-NSPCC report, published on Jan 11 after an inquiry that began on Oct 19, described the youngest known victim as aged eight.

Peter Watt, of the NSPCC, said the fact should have been in the public domain. The charity was only told of the four victims late on Friday night.

“I was shocked that there was one child of five that had suffered,” he said. “The fact that there were four is truly appalling and I think it is a piece of information that it would have been very useful to have out in the public domain sooner, not least of which because it adds to the overall picture of what Savile was and what he was like as an abuser.

“The fact that there are now a reasonable number of very young children, and boys, that clearly changes things — it somehow makes it even more shocking.”

Alan Collins, a lawyer acting for 43 of Savile’s victims, said: “The report is pathetic.

“They have not been open about the number of victims aged five.

“It is bad enough he was abusing teenagers but now we are talking about young children which takes it to a new level.”

Rob Wilson, a Tory MP critical of the police and the BBC’s handling of Savile and the numerous missed opportunities to catch him, said: “I said on the day that this report from West Yorkshire Police was published that I found it difficult to have much confidence in it.

“The fact that it appears to be unravelling under scrutiny suggests that there was a clear conflict of interest at the heart of it, between getting to the truth of its officers’ relations with Savile and protecting the force’s own reputation.”

West Yorkshire police has already come under fire for its close relationship with the television presenter and radio disc jockey, who fronted crime prevention campaigns and attended numerous events.

Eight West Yorkshire Police officers visited Savile's penthouse apartment in Roundhay — four on a regular basis — as members of his Friday Morning Club.

They included Matthew Appleyard, a sergeant serving at Wetherby police station, and retired inspector Mick Starkey, who would regularly drive Savile in his Rolls-Royce.

But the report said officers had found no evidence that he was protected from arrest or prosecution as a result of his relationship with individuals in the West Yorkshire force.

It also cleared officers in the Friday Morning Club of any “impropriety or misconduct”.

However it showed that 35 staff at the force only came forward with information when senior investigators demanded they do so in March — six months after the television celebrity was unmasked as a predatory paedophile, and almost five months after a squad of Scotland Yard detectives began investigating his criminal past, making use of police resources and databases across the country.

The intelligence from West Yorkshire officers led to the discovery of two new victims and 11 new lines of inquiry.

It is understood that this information did not relate to the five-year-old victims.

A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said much of the information from the 35 officers and staff who came forward in March was “related to rumour rather than evidential material”.

“None of the information would merit disciplinary action,” he said.

“However the full report has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.”

Assistant Chief Constable Ingrid Lee admitted both that they had let his victims down and that mistakes had been made in how the force recorded and handled information relating to Savile.

Six incidents examined in the report have now been referred to the Independent Police Complaints
Commission.


The report, called Operation Newgreen, admitted that the review team did find “recollections of events were often vague and incomplete” while changes in the recording, handling and weeding of information meant it was unable to “fully establish the facts”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...aged-five.html[/quote[/url" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">

West Yorkshire Police

59 page report

[url=https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-BvQ7Z6NPauWXdKdUN3SUtiWDQ/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1]https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-BvQ7Z6NPauWXdKdUN3SUtiWDQ/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

IMO a bucket full of whitewash!

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Post by plebgate on 13.05.13 9:06

I agree Cherry Blossom, white wash spot on to my way of thinking.

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Post by Guest on 14.05.13 9:43

Corrie Actor Bill Roache Arrives At Court

Coronation Street actor Bill Roache, who is accused of raping a 15-year-old girl, has arrived for his first court appearance.

The 81-year-old, who has played Ken Barlow in the soap since its launch, is charged with two counts of rape dating back to 1967.

He has previously said he will "strenuously deny the allegations and will now focus my full attention on fighting to preserve my innocence in the challenging times ahead".

"I would like to offer my sincere thanks to all those people who have offered me their support and good wishes at this difficult time."

Roache is appearing before magistrates in Preston for a routine hearing.

The celebrity arrived at the court building by car and was immediately surrounded by a waiting swarm of reporters, photographers and TV cameras.

He is expected to stand trial at Preston Crown Court at a later date.

http://news.sky.com/story/1090666/corrie-actor-bill-roache-arrives-at-court

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Post by PeterMac on 14.05.13 10:09

"Strenuously" deny.
Not just deny.
Why do their solicitors allow them to say this ?

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Post by plebgate on 14.05.13 11:45

agree PeterM and why do they all come out and thank all who have supported them, hundred of letters of support etc. WHO CARES.
I am fed up hearing that Rolf Harris is about to commite suicide too.

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Post by PeterMac on 14.05.13 11:50

How many people turned up at the Nuremberg rallies ?

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Post by Guest on 14.05.13 12:29

Coronation Street star Bill Roache has made his first appearance in court accused of raping a 15-year-old girl.

Appearing at Preston Magistrates' Court, the 81-year-old was led into the witness box and confirmed his full name, address and date of birth.
He was arrested at his home in Wilmslow on May 1 and was later charged with two counts of rape against his alleged victim in 1967.
Roache was bailed to appear for a preliminary hearing at Preston Crown Court on June 10.
Roache, wearing a dark blue suit, white shirt and white-and-blue-striped tie, arrived at the court just before 9.10am and made no comment to camera crews and reporters.

He entered Court 3 at 10am and then appeared relaxed as he waited patiently for more than five minutes for District Judge Jane Goodwin to come in.

An usher led him into a witness box and the clerk asked for his full name.

He replied: "William Patrick Roache."

He then confirmed his home address in Wilmslow, Cheshire, and his date of birth, before he was invited to sit down.

Joanna White, prosecuting, did not outline the details of the charges, other to explain that Roache faced two historic counts of rape.

She added: "These matters can only be dealt with by the Crown Court."

The case will next be heard at Preston Crown Court by the Recorder of Preston, Judge Anthony Russell QC.

There was no indication of plea from the actor.

Brian Russell, representing Roache, said: "Nothing to add at this stage."

He was granted bail on condition of residence at his home or a family member's address in London, to have no unsupervised contact with anyone under 16 and not to directly or indirectly approach two named persons

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronation-street-star-bill-roache-1888312




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Post by aiyoyo on 14.05.13 13:41

@plebgate wrote:agree PeterM and why do they all come out and thank all who have supported them, hundred of letters of support etc. WHO CARES.
I am fed up hearing that Rolf Harris is about to commite suicide too.

Me too. I am fed up with their response ie strenuous deny follows by suicidal claim.
If their deed is such a shameful thing that they cant face the world then they should have thought about the consequences before.
Their victims are the aggrieved ones. What are the likes of Rolf Harris and Bill Roache going to do about that?

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Post by Guest on 14.05.13 13:46

Just like to say that Rolf Harris hasn't been charged with anything yet, let alone found guilty. I'm still hoping that he hasn't done anything wrong but it is beginning to look as if it's compulsory to be a paedo in the entertainment industry!

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.05.13 13:57

Not saying he's been found guilty, but just sick of their standard response which all of them used. And we know what happened later.
IMO it would have been more dignified to say "no comment" and just let the truth speaks for itself.

How they will plea depends on how heavy the evidence is stacked against them. I am sure Stuart Hall and Stuart Hazell who initially strenuously denied then changed their plea to guilty did so because they'd no choice. If they thought they can get away with it they would. They certainly tried until finally beaten by the mounting evidence, that the judge can only conclude one way.

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Post by plebgate on 14.05.13 20:06

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324386/Oxford-paedophile-ring-guilty-grooming-vulnerable-underage-girls-sexual-exploitation.html

This was reported to the police by one of the young victims and the police ignored it apparently.

On ITV news this evening (I think it was a copper) who said that some of the things these men did to the young girls was so bad it could not be said or written in the media and newspapers.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.05.13 20:08

Back to Jimmy Savile, a former worker at Broadmoor Hospital has posted (in another place) these observations about him:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I’ve seen a few comments along the lines of how Vile was put in charge at Broadmoor;
I can answer those questions and give some answers, as I worked there during
this period.


Firstly his keys.

He did have a standard set of keys, not gold ones as reported. I know this as
they were hung 3 bunches away from mine in the key issue area. I saw these keys
nearly every day and they were not gold or gold coloured.
These keys would have allowed him to access any ward or department except those
with a separate top lock; pharmacy, admin offices, med centre etc. Neither
would they allow him access anything under the direct control of the Security
Department or Control Room.

Hospital Management Team (HMT)

Vile had volunteered at the hospital for a number of years, as Unofficial
Entertainments Officer; this was a self-awarded title and not an official post.
Up until 1989 the 3 Special Hospitals Broadmoor, Rampton and Park Lane/Moss
Side (later renamed Ashworth), were directly managed by the Department of
Health and Social Security (DHSS). In 1988 each of the hospitals had a General
Manager appointed to oversee the transition of the 3 hospitals from direct
government control to an agency known as the Special Hospitals Service
Authority (SHSA). At Broadmoor, Alan Franey was appointed GM and his first task
was to set up the HMT group to oversee this change and VILE was appointed
de-facto Chairman.

Many staff wondered what Franey’s and Vile’s relationship was and it was not
till an episode of This Is Your Life, that Alan Franey appeared on and he was
referred to as Vile’s Business Manager.

HMT only lasted a year and with the introduction of the SHSA a new management
structure was introduced with Charles Kaye as Chief Executive and Alan Franey
as General Manager.

Both have written a book stating that their intention was to smash the power of
the main trade union, the Prison Officers Association, who were their major
opponents in changing the way Broadmoor and the other hospitals ran. Power at
this time rested with the Charge Nurses and Ward Sisters, and they were the
stumbling block they were up against.
This was achieved by either promotion to management level or by offering
enhanced retirement packages, once the ‘dinosaurs’ were gone they could then go
to town on the place.

Vile’s Role

During this time Vile reverted back to his ‘post’ as unofficial entertainments
officer. He used to turn up periodically, and was hated by around 90% of the
staff. Many of the remaining Charges and Sisters would have no hesitation in
telling him to f*** off when he walked onto their ward. He never had to my
knowledge a room on any of the wards, but he did have a nice house outside the
secure perimeter provided for him to use when he visited.

Vile was a pain in the arse, he wound everybody up, both staff and patient
alike, with bragging and arrogance. He nearly caused a riot in the central hall
2 days before Xmas by bragging to the patients and their visitors about how he
was off on Caribbean cruise for the Xmas and New Year. This went down a treat
with them no end.

Every time a film crew turned up, he was there taking centre stage claiming
that the reforms at Broadmoor were his work. He was always absent though when
it was a negative story, funny that isn’t it.

He would brag to the press that he ran the place, the staff was thugs who
didn’t know what they were doing, and bearing in mind we dealt with some of
this country’s worst nonces, ponces and rapists. Staff at Broadmoor were/are
some of most highly qualified and experienced in dealing with these highly
dangerous people. Having a shell-suited, cigar smoking p**k telling you how to
do your job sort of winds you up a bit.

To those staff that may be reading this and were in the 10% who kissed his
arse, you my friends were aiding and abetting a paedophile, I hope you have
many sleepless nights as you conscience bothers you about all the things he
did. Please don’t try and feign ignorance, you heard the rumours as well as the
rest of us who hated him did, but you were in that percentage of management
level that protected him and, when those of us who saw through him tried to
tell you, your eyes and ears remain closed, you are just as guilty as him.

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