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Post by Guest on 20.05.13 9:54

300 police officers gagged at cost of up to £250,000 each


More than 300 police officers have been gagged at the taxpayers' expense at
a cost of up to £250,000 each.



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Sir Paul Stephenson, the former commissioner, received £176,838 after signing
one of the agreements along with his £98,000 salary.

John Yates, who was previously Britain's top anti-terrorism officer, received
£86,000 on top of his £120,000 salary.

Both men resigned amid growing controversy over the Metropolitan Police's
links to the News of the World, the now defunct tabloid newspaper at the centre
of the phone hacking scandal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10065016/300-police-officers-gagged-at-cost-of-up-to-250000-each.html

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Post by Guest on 20.05.13 10:30

candyfloss wrote:300 police officers gagged at cost of up to £250,000 each


More than 300 police officers have been gagged at the taxpayers' expense at
a cost of up to £250,000 each.



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Sir Paul Stephenson, the former commissioner, received £176,838 after signing
one of the agreements along with his £98,000 salary.

John Yates, who was previously Britain's top anti-terrorism officer, received
£86,000 on top of his £120,000 salary.

Both men resigned amid growing controversy over the Metropolitan Police's
links to the News of the World, the now defunct tabloid newspaper at the centre
of the phone hacking scandal.

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All at the taxpayers expence What sort of country do we live in that people are being paid to stop them talking especialy the police?

The story is there to read, but who is going to give it a voice?

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Re: 300 police officers gagged at cost of up to £250,000 each

Post by plebgate on 20.05.13 10:34

HI CB

the link is showing an error, but it seems as though there is something dark and sinister going on in the country which needs covering up.

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Post by bobbin on 20.05.13 10:40

@plebgate wrote:HI CB

the link is showing an error, but it seems as though there is something dark and sinister going on in the country which needs covering up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10065016/300-police-officers-gagged-at-cost-of-up-to-250000-each.html
this is the link that works. it had an end bit that needed removing.

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Post by bobbin on 20.05.13 10:50

@bobbin wrote:
@plebgate wrote:HI CB

the link is showing an error, but it seems as though there is something dark and sinister going on in the country which needs covering up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10065016/300-police-officers-gagged-at-cost-of-up-to-250000-each.html
this is the link that works. it had an end bit that needed removing.

From Telegraph, 20th May 2013. A video is contained in the website above.

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, Senior Political Correspondent



10:00PM BST 17 May 2013







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The Government has banned gagging orders for NHS employees after it emerged
that £18million has been spent on silencing 600 staff.



However, a survey using Freedom of Information laws has found that the orders
are also widely used across police forces, leading to concerns that
whistleblowers are being silenced.



Stephen Barclay, a Conservative member of the Public Accounts Committee, said:
"It is very concerning to hear that police officers with issues of
concern which are in public interest appear to have been silenced through
gagging clauses.



"These agreements have a clear effect beyond those who sign them because
other officers with ambition will see what has happened to those who have
concerns and decide to stay silent."



A total of 13 police forces confirmed that they had signed 362 compromise
agreements with staff, most of which contained confidentiality clauses.




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Many forces declined to respond to the requests, however, meaning the true
number is likely to be significantly higher.


The Metropolitan Police has signed 230 of the agreements in the past seven
years.


According to the forces 2011-12 accounts, the biggest payout was made to
Martin Tiplady, the former head of human resources, who received £259,462
after signing one of the controversial agreements.


Sir Paul Stephenson, the former commissioner, received £176,838 after signing
one of the agreements along with his £98,000 salary.


John Yates, who was previously Britain's top anti-terrorism officer, received
£86,000 on top of his £120,000 salary.


Both men resigned amid growing controversy over the Metropolitan Police's
links to the News of the World, the now defunct tabloid newspaper at the
centre of the phone hacking scandal.


They were cleared of any misconduct after an inquiry by the Independent Police
Complaints Commission.


Lancashire Constabulary has signed 34 compromise agreements with former
employees in the year alone, while Surrey Police has signed 28 agreements
over the past three years at a total cost to the taxpayer of £614,000.


Greater Manchester Police confirmed it has signed 14 agreements in the past
three years while Nothumbria Police has signed 17 and Norfolk Constabulary
10.


Steve Williams, chairman of the Police Federation, said: "Police officers
should be able say what they like without worrying about breaching
confidentiality agreements. If things are not right they should be able to
say so.


“There is a fear factor for officers who want to speak out but don’t because
they are concerned about the repercussions. It’s wrong, the police
should be transparent.”


The Daily Telegraph has previously established that use of compromise agreements
is widespread across both Whitehall and in local authorities.


Freedom of Information requests found that 200 civil servants and officials
have signed compromise agreements in the past two years, at a total cost of
£14million, along with 4,562 local authority workers.


A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said there were "undoubtedly benefits"
to compromise agreements which reduced the risk of legal action.


A Lancashire Constabulary spokesman insisted that compromise agreements have
"little or no link" to whistleblowing. Surrey Police said that its
compromise agreements had been reached after legal advice.

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Re: 300 police officers gagged at cost of up to £250,000 each

Post by plebgate on 20.05.13 10:54

Thank you Bobbin.

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"Many forces declined to respond to the requests, however, meaning the true
number is likely to be significantly higher."


So the cops can decide not to respond to FOI requests. What a carry on. They can and they do as they like.

Cameron needs to do as he said when he was trying to get elected, put the people first and openess first. Another broken promise like so many others.

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Post by Guest on 20.05.13 12:33

@bobbin wrote:
@plebgate wrote:HI CB

the link is showing an error, but it seems as though there is something dark and sinister going on in the country which needs covering up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10065016/300-police-officers-gagged-at-cost-of-up-to-250000-each.html
this is the link that works. it had an end bit that needed removing.

Thanks bobbin for link

OMI Stephenson and Yates and others knew what they were doing when they papered over the hacking scandel, it should never have gone as far as Levison. Yates had the black bags with hacking evidence in them they had access to NOTW, a case of I'll watch your back if you'll watch mine, and no charge of misconduct, now on top of that they have got paid thousands for covering up - bribery in my eyes, also all those who have signed this gagging clause imo have accepted bribes.

Yes plebgate there is something sinister going on, what is the Goverment hiding and don't want out in the public domain. Lets hope there are more whistleblowers out there in whatever profession they work, people to tell the truth. that is what this country needs lots of voices.

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Post by Bob Southgate on 20.05.13 15:03

The Met has so called whistle blowing policies but when people use them they tray and attack the whistle blower.Do a search on the case of DS Howard Shaw as one example and also an Inspector based at Edmonton police station who did a review on a suspicious death investigation which was highly critical. The Inspector then found himself subject to internal misconduct procedures. he went to wn employment tribunal and won his case, as did Howard Shaw. The way the Met dealt with senior officers who effectively tried to fit up honest hard working officers was shameful.

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Post by Guest on 21.05.13 14:37

@Bob Southgate wrote:The Met has so called whistle blowing policies but when people use them they tray and attack the whistle blower.Do a search on the case of DS Howard Shaw as one example and also an Inspector based at Edmonton police station who did a review on a suspicious death investigation which was highly critical. The Inspector then found himself subject to internal misconduct procedures. he went to wn employment tribunal and won his case, as did Howard Shaw. The way the Met dealt with senior officers who effectively tried to fit up honest hard working officers was shameful.


Met whistleblower forced out by officer he exposed

Tribunal rules that police colluded at top level to destroy the career of junior detective who reported one of them for cheating

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/met-whistleblower-forced-out-by-officer-he-exposed-2052883.html

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"My story shows how difficult it is to be a whistleblower in the police, where senior officers are not challenged. The culture in the organisation is to protect men of the same cloth," he said after the hearing.

Absolutly shameful Bob, and this happened in 2010. so the whistle blower policie is all right on paper, and to tell the public they have one, in practice its just a sham.

Honest hardworking officers who do their job effectivly, and sometimes risking their lives or having their lives taken away from them have my respect, Its the ones at the top of the chain who are making their own rules, regardless of policies that they should be endorsing, and I don't doubt it's still going on.

This also brought it home to me just how powerful those in charge of the Met are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/20/met-leveson-police-news-of-the-world

http://cryptome.org/2013/05/lord-stevens-secrets.htm

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Post by Bob Southgate on 21.05.13 16:18

It is shameful Cherry, and utterly disgraceful.

One of those who signed a confidentiality agreement was martin Tiplady, the former Met head of HR. I found him to be an arrogant bully and I brought some issues directly to him about managers who were repeatedly failing to comply with Met procedures,which he dismissed without an investigation.

He left the Met under a cloud after allegations were made against him of sexual harassment. it was reported in the Daily Mail back in October 2009 or 2010 but it all went quiet after that. I have no doubt he was protected by the hierachy and he was allowed to "retire". He should have been investigated, but he was allowed to leave with a big fat payoff.

The case of the Edmonton inspector (Brian Casson) is detailed here:-



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brian-casson-death-case-police-1783322



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21966816



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/23/kester-david-death-police-complaint-report



http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/news/crime-court/police_cover_up_accusations_as_detectives_continue_investigation_into_wood_green_man_s_death_1_1993569

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.05.13 16:25

Bob, thank you for this valuable information.

I could replicate similar things many times over in Essex.

Can you tell us if you think there is any solution to this endless stream of senior level police misconduct and cover-up culture?

In the past even the heads of anti-corruption squads were found to be crooks.

The IPCC isn't doing its job, is it?

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Post by Bob Southgate on 21.05.13 16:51

I wish there was a solution to it Tony, but I can't see the will to apply one. The experience many rank and file officers have had with the professional standards departments is shameful, with the rules, procedure and law being ignored whenever it suits them. I could personally give details of two officers within the Met Directorate of Professional Standards, one a detective sergeant, the other a detective inspector, who have neglected their duty by failing to investigate allegations of wrongdoing by managers. The same pair also made false written statements to a misconduct hearing which was held in February 2012.

The big problem is that many go into DPS as it looks good on their CV and it looks even better when they have nailed a few "bad uns". The trouble is the "bad uns" are rarely that and are sacrificial lambs for the DPS officers to be able to boast on their CV how they got some poor officer sacked who made an honest mistake, which was then trumped up into something totally out of proportion. They ignore the crooks in management who are acting corruptly by virtue of their repeated and deliberate failure to comply with force policy, procedure and law.

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Post by PeterMac on 21.05.13 17:05

And I am from the Force that had Mike Todd (suicide on Snowden, serial philanderer and probably frauster with his credit card and dodgy payoffs to friends) as ACC,
Sean Price (First Chief to be dismissed for centuries - along with his deputy) as DCC,
John Dore (Junior freemason, outranked by the head of Special Ops, who was Mark, Chapter, and Rouge Pelican and consequently whose department got all the high value toys) as ACC,
and Tom Williamson (ex-Met, who lecture us on "ethical policing" but ran his departments in such a way that Superintendents would not act until they had his instructions in writing - so far were they from anything remotely 'legal' or moral) as DCC.
Where do you go to complain ?
I got out. Slightly before my full service retirement age as it happens

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Post by bobbin on 21.05.13 17:15

@PeterMac wrote:And I am from the Force that had Mike Todd (suicide on Snowden, serial philanderer and probably frauster with his credit card and dodgy payoffs to friends) as ACC,
Sean Price (First Chief to be dismissed for centuries - along with his deputy) as DCC,
John Dore (Junior freemason, outranked by the head of Special Ops, who was Mark, Chapter, and Rouge Pelican and consequently whose department got all the high value toys) as ACC,
and Tom Williamson (ex-Met, who lecture us on "ethical policing" but ran his departments in such a way that Superintendents would not act until they had his instructions in writing - so far were they from anything remotely 'legal' or moral) as DCC.
Where do you go to complain ?
I got out. Slightly before my full service retirement age as it happens
As is happening more and more, an open road to the newspapers and internet, to enable whistle-blowers to speak out, and get each high-level cheat nationally and mercilessly exposed, followed by further national newspaper headline coverage each time the whistle-blower is 'disadvantaged'. Let the ball roll.

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Post by lj on 21.05.13 17:16

Covering up has become a worldwide epidemic, and seems to be the preferred action to any "event". Sadly our "leaders" and "watchmen" still haven't figured out that it makes you looks even more stupid, it never works, and above all is amoral.


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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.05.13 17:27

@lj wrote:Covering up has become a worldwide epidemic, and seems to be the preferred action to any "event". Sadly our "leaders" and "watchmen" still haven't figured out that it makes you looks even more stupid, it never works, and above all is amoral.
Yes, fully agreed, a worldwide epidemic - spread all the faster because there are highly-paid people in this world who run government media operations (mentioning no names) who openly boast of being "able to control what comes out in the media"

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Post by PeterMac on 21.05.13 17:47

@Tony Bennett wrote:Yes, fully agreed, a worldwide epidemic - spread all the faster because there are highly-paid people in this world who run government media operations (mentioning no names) who openly boast of being "able to control what comes out in the media"
But what they can't control is the internet.
Not yet anyway.

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Post by lj on 21.05.13 18:33

Oh but they are trying, very hard.

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Post by Bob Southgate on 21.05.13 20:02

@PeterMac wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Yes, fully agreed, a worldwide epidemic - spread all the faster because there are highly-paid people in this world who run government media operations (mentioning no names) who openly boast of being "able to control what comes out in the media"
But what they can't control is the internet.
Not yet anyway.



No, but they are trying very hard, using the unprofessional standards departments to trump up charges against officers who are telling it how it really is within UK policing, the classic shoot the messenger approach.

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