Re: Why Kate could never fool CUDDLE CAT

jd on Thu May 31, 2012 12:34 pm

It is likely that the tennisbag would have had scent on it and for this reason it seems to have disappeared within 24 hours

Its interesting that the dogs alerted cavader in the same cupboard that this 'missing' bag was seen in from the photos!

David Payne Statement "Reply "There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that, it would have been just purely, if they had anything…”

monkey mind on Thu May 31, 2012 12:37 pm

tigger wrote:I see your point Monkeymind, I think it was a brand-new toy, possibly never even seen by Maddie. It was one of the props to literally prop up the story.

Now the blanket is strange, because that disappeared and Cuddlecat didn't. Amaral indicates that the blanket was in the boot of the car. Therefore it was moved without having cadaver odour on from the bed and may well have served to bury the child.
The point is then that neither the blanket or CC at that point in time had been in direct contact with a corpse, otherwise one of the beds (moved or not) would have had some scent tranferred to it.
It is likely that the tennisbag would have had scent on it and for this reason it seems to have disappeared within 24 hours. Possibly before the GNR dogs turned up the following day.

We would need Martin Grime to give his opinion on this theory.

But didn't Eddie alert to one of the beds in the main bedroom? I'll have to look.

Yes to all of that Tigger.
I indicated on another thread some time ago that in my opinion, if you find M you will probably find that blanket. So if she is alive as Redwood seems to believe, when he finds her, he can ask her....

monkey mind on Thu May 31, 2012 12:43 pm

jd wrote:
It is likely that the tennisbag would have had scent on it and for this reason it seems to have disappeared within 24 hours

Its interesting that the dogs alerted cavader in the same cupboard that this 'missing' bag was seen in from the photos!

David Payne Statement "Reply "There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that, it would have been just purely, if they had anything…”

It's mre than interesting isn't it JD. As is the Gordon info you posted.

jd on Thu May 31, 2012 12:45 pm

Yes monkey mind it is very interesting!! The missing bag realistically is probably the only thing they would have had to hide a body

**PeterMac** on Thu May 31, 2012 12:54 pm

Just for your benefit Monkey Mind -

The photo in the previous post to yours shows a built in wardrobe in the bedroom.
The door is half open.
There are four shelves, and the floor.
The floor is empty,
The first shelf up has jumbled clothes
The second shelf has what looks like a dark blue tennis or sports bag.
The top two shelves are empty
There is a multicoloured shirt or towel hanging on the door knob.
It is this picture which people quote when talking about the McCanns claim, and Mitchell's claim, that they did not have a sports bag, and when one of the Tapas7 talks about not having a bag big enough to hide a ..... tennis racquet.

The other photos are of the bed Madeleine was supposed to have been sleeping in.
The door opens to the right against the wall, and the bed is along the same wall to the immediate left.
The bed is neatly made, and only very slightly rumpled
The sheets are folded neatly back, as they do in hotels sometimes, just the top right hand corner, about a couple of feet or so. but not even right across the bed.
The left side by the pillow is still neatly tucked in.

On the sheets where they have been turned back is lying a bright red blanket, not a full size bed blanket, but more of a child's pacifier blanket.
Just above that, again on the right, the starboard side of the bed as it were, next to the end of the pillow, is what looks like the pink cuddle cat, though it is very difficult to be sure.
It is certainly a much lighter pink than the blanket.

Hope this helps.
Peter

monkey mind on Thu May 31, 2012 1:08 pm

Of course some may say that what difference does it make if cuddlecat was not infected by cadaverine on the 3rd/4th but sometime later?

I would say it is another, rather large brick in the wall.

And I would say, that if she took it to work with her as she said, it clearly didn’t come into contact with all those dead bodies, unlike her trousers, allegedly.

And some might say well cuddlecat could have been infected from K’s trousers which were allegedly infected according to K. This would exactly be the explanation.

And I would say, if that were true, if K’s trousers became infected by encountering dead bodies just prior to coming on holiday then answer me this riddle.........
Why did Eddie not alert to many more items of the family McCann clothing???? Tell me that. How could that be or rather not be??? Those trousers would have been packed in a suitcase with numerous other items of clothing and then sealed up probably the day before travelling and re-opened around 24 hours later. All during that time the smell of cadaverine pervading the bag or case contaminating all it comes in contact with, not to the sensibility of a human nose, but as a matter of fact, and certainly easily detectable by Eddie’s quite lovely nose. He should have picked out almost all their clothing if that were the case. But again, he didn’t. Don’t you just love Eddie.....

monkey mind on Thu May 31, 2012 1:17 pm

Ah PeterI am genuinely most very grateful. Thank you :^)
I blew them up to 15x or 16x but the quality of the photos is so poor that even with nose squished against the 28” screen and all that extra radiation in my eyeballs I still can make out next to nothing. Thanks again Peter. Very grateful indeed.

**candyfloss** on Thu May 31, 2012 1:22 pm

monkey mind wrote:Ah PeterI am genuinely most very grateful. Thank you :^)
I blew them up to 15x or 16x but the quality of the photos is so poor that even with nose squished against the 28” screen and all that extra radiation in my eyeballs I still can make out next to nothing. Thanks again Peter. Very grateful indeed.

Sorry monkey mind, for posting those, I didn't realise blushing1

Hummingbird on Thu May 31, 2012 1:45 pm

monkey mind wrote:Of course some may say that what difference does it make if cuddlecat was not infected by cadaverine on the 3rd/4th but sometime later?

I would say it is another, rather large brick in the wall.

And I would say, that if she took it to work with her as she said, it clearly didn’t come into contact with all those dead bodies, unlike her trousers, allegedly.

And some might say well cuddlecat could have been infected from K’s trousers which were allegedly infected according to K. This would exactly be the explanation.

And I would say, if that were true, if K’s trousers became infected by encountering dead bodies just prior to coming on holiday then answer me this riddle.........
Why did Eddie not alert to many more items of the family McCann clothing???? Tell me that. How could that be or rather not be??? Those trousers would have been packed in a suitcase with numerous other items of clothing and then sealed up probably the day before travelling and re-opened around 24 hours later. All during that time the smell of cadaverine pervading the bag or case contaminating all it comes in contact with, not to the sensibility of a human nose, but as a matter of fact, and certainly easily detectable by Eddie’s quite lovely nose. He should have picked out almost all their clothing if that were the case. But again, he didn’t. Don’t you just love Eddie.....

Very good point, if she did wear those clothes to work prior to the holiday then they must have been packed because she travelled in jeans - just watched the airport bus video to check.

So how and when then did cuddlecat become cadaverine cat?

monkey mind on Thu May 31, 2012 1:46 pm

candyfloss wrote:[Sorry monkey mind, for posting those, I didn't realise

Heck no need to apologise Candyfloss, how could you know. The photos were good, probably helped others understand what was being said. From Peter's description we should expect Eddie to have found traces on the top right hand portion of that mattress, or I certainly would.