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Re: Age of consent

Post by PeterMac on 12.05.13 22:50

Interesting that we have started to think about the legal definitions.
Just as in another context we have struggled with the use, and mis-use, of the word "abducted", to mean everything from one loving parent withholding a child from the custody of a non-loving parent, right through to a kidnapping for the purpose of immediate violation and murder, so here we have all sorts of strange legal definitions swirling around.

In some places any activity with a person under the age set by that jurisdiction is deemed to be Rape.
But that surely forces the jurisdiction to agree that there are degrees of Rape, and that the sentence must reflect that.
So in itself it is not helpful to force that definition on every activity.
Nor does it help that every country in the world is free to define what is acceptable, both by age any by activity. It seems there are no universals here.

English law currently makes relatively clear distinctions between activities which are non-consensual, (Rape, indecent Assault) and those which are with consent, even though by law they are not permitted because of the age of the person involved (USI, Gross indecency, and so on)

Definition, in itself, does not help to stop the activity, but it can make it more clear what we are talking about.
There is, on any test, a world of difference between Indecently assaulting a young person against her will, without her consent, and thereby causing her fear, distress and long term psychological harm: and allowing yourself to be "seduced" by a knowlegable and experienced young person, who happens technically to be under-age, possibly by only a few days, weeks or months.

Historically the prosecution authorities dealt with this under the decision to take no further action, warn, caution, or charge, and the problem was rarely aired.
I suspect that in the coming months it will be argued at length in the Courts of England
And probably a Royal Commission will follow to examine, yet again, the modern approach to this activity.

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.05.13 5:20

[quote}@ PeterMac
Definition, in itself, does not help to stop the activity, but it can make it more clear what we are talking about.[quote]

But....'definition' in its correct form is very important. A missing child cannot be termed "abducted" just because so and so say so, when there is no evidence to support it.


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Post by PeterMac on 13.05.13 8:09

Aiyoyo.
Yes, quite.
But, for example Kate would have been legally justified in using the term "Abducted" if Gerry had taken M to a new and perfectly happy life in Morocco.
That is how The PACT scam works, as we know.
"Abducted" would also include a Creche nurse taking M to a theme park (if there were one) without telling the parents, and then bringing her back home happy and fulfilled and full of beans, ready to tell the parents everything she had done.
And it includes a monsterman taking her away for any other reason.
It is not a useful word, because it is so imprecise as to the background details.

We have thirty different words for rain, which for a Native English speaker convey a huge amount of detail. As do the Inuit for snow. (And incidentally as does anyone who has skied as a serious sport.)

Why then only one word in common use for Abduction. Though in fact until this case it was not in common use. Kidnapping was the more usual word.

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Post by plebgate on 13.05.13 9:04

Snipped from PeterM's post

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Why then only one word in common use for Abduction. Though in fact
until this case it was not in common use. Kidnapping was the more usual
word."


It is usual to receive a ransom note when someone is kidnapped. As far as we are aware, one has not been received in Maddie's case.

An abduction could mean that a child might have been taken for a rich, caring, family therefore giving hope and allowing a public funded search to ensue.


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Post by tasprin on 13.05.13 12:15

British Attorney: Who Will Think Of The Paedophiles?

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Fortunately for the pedophiles, there is one brave voice speaking out for them — Barbara Hewson, an abortion-rights attorney based in London, who argued Thursday that the men being charged are old now, that their victims successfully fought them off, and that really, 13-year-olds are totally ready for sex anyhow — so why not lower the age of consent?

In a column which seems like it should be parody, but isn’t, Hewson makes a rambling and incoherent argument that the age of consent should be lowered, and everyone should leave the poor possibly-pedophiles alone. Hewson begins with a Reductio ad Hitlerium, by noting that hey, Victorians crusaded to raise the age of consent, and women are totally more mature now, so…something:

“In the 1880s, the Social Purity movement repeatedly tried to increase the age of consent for girls from 13 to 16, despite parliament’s resistance. At that time, puberty for girls was at age 15 (now it is 10). The movement’s supporters portrayed women as fragile creatures needing protection from men’s animal impulses”

Perhaps they did; it would be par for the course in the West in 1880 — or indeed, in 2013. But Hewson rather ignores that a 13-year-old is not, in fact, a woman. In England, as in America, she is a child. And that hasn’t changed because the average girl reaches menarche earlier now than in the 1800s; as anyone with an 11-year-old can tell you, they’re not cognitively adults. Or even adolescents. They are still, as they have ever been, children.

After pausing to sneer at organizations dedicated to stopping child sexual abuse — because really, what kind of crazy moral scold thinks child rape is bad? — she then moves on to Reductio ad Stalinum, comparing the pursuit of justice with Soviet show-trials.

All of that is bad, yes, but perhaps the worst part of Hewson’s argument is when she minimizes the crimes of Stuart Hall a BBC personality who has pleaded guilty to 14 counts of indecent assault. Yes, that’s right — he’s now a convicted pedophile, who assaulted girls as young as 9.

But really, according to Hewson, Hall didn’t do anything that bad:

“The low-level misdemeanours with which Stuart Hall was charged are nothing like serious crime. Touching a 17-year-old’s breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one’s hand up a 16-year-old’s skirt, are not remotely comparable to the horrors of the Ealing Vicarage assaults and gang rape, or the Fordingbridge gang rape and murders, both dating from 1986. Anyone suggesting otherwise has lost touch with reality”

Well, yes, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is not nearly as bad as Osama bin Laden, and bin Laden pales in comparison to Hitler, but all three guys either did or allegedly did awful things. Is what Hall has admitted to as bad as a gang rape or a murder? No, but frankly, it’s only a minor difference of degree.

Then again, according to Hewson, it isn’t that bad, because the girls managed to stop some of the attacks. “It’s interesting that two complainants who waived anonymity have told how they rebuffed Hall’s advances,” she writes. “That is, they dealt with it at the time.” Well, yes. One supposes they did. But few people would view a 14-year-old managing to ward off an adult as reason not to prosecute, any more than escaping one’s kidnappers undoes the kidnapping. A crime is a crime, even if the victim manages to survive it.

Which, of course, is why Hewson wants to make raping a 13-year-old okay:

“Adults and law-enforcement agencies must stop fetishising victimhood. Instead, we should focus on arming today’s youngsters with the savoir-faire and social skills to avoid drifting into compromising situations, and prosecute modern crime. As for law reform, now regrettably necessary, my recommendations are: remove complainant anonymity; introduce a strict statute of limitations for criminal prosecutions and civil actions; and reduce the age of consent to 13“

If one can come up with a worse idea than this, good luck. It makes the Ryan budget look like a model of consistency and wisdom. Essentially, Hewson argues that we should simply make it open season on 13-year-olds. If their 43-year-old swimming coach wants to assault them, well, we’ll just teach them to handle it politely but firmly! Frankly, if they’ve drifted into a compromising position, it’s their own fault anyhow. Also, if there is a bit of sexual assault, those wanton 14-year-olds should have to come forward publicly. I’m sure lots of teenagers will gladly open themselves up for a national victim-blaming!

Hewson has made her career arguing in favor of abortion rights. I am amazed that anyone who claims to take the side of women could possibly advance the arguments she has. If she had her way, teenagers in Britain would be at the mercy of adults — and they would not just be girls, and they would not just be fending off men.

This is abhorrent. It is morally bankrupt. It is wrong. And Hewson should be ashamed of herself.

*Jeff Fecke is a freelance writer who has covered local and national politics for much of the past decade. Jeff has written on a variety of topics, with a focus on women's rights and social justice.

http://www.care2.com/causes/british-attorney-who-will-think-of-the-pedophiles.html#ixzz2TAXn9tw2[/color][/u][/url]

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Post by aquila on 13.05.13 12:35

Moral bankruptcy, coming from a 'woman' who makes a living in that arena. I suggest that 'woman' takes an unpaid sabbatical and sits with the victims of sexual abuse. It might just save her soul.

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Post by tasprin on 13.05.13 13:26

What is it with these people who want to lower the age of consent? Sixty year old Peter Tatchell wants the age of consent lowered to 14 with the proviso that earlier sex education and assertiveness training should be introduced so kids can ward off perverts. What a clever plan that is - even strong assertive women find themselves unable to ward off perverts, how would a kid fare? Why isn't Tatchell calling for kids to have earlier lessons in politics and the medical implications of alcohol, then they could vote and drink as well? After all if 13/14's are deemed mature enough to cope (mentally and physically) with perverts legally preying on them, and cope with the life changing consequences that sex may have on their health and future, then surely they can do the rest too? But these creeps are not interested in 'the rest', they are only interested in lowering the age of consent so that adults can legally have sex with kids without any repercussions - and there is an insidious agenda to sexualise younger and younger children via schools imo.


Critics pan barrister’s call to lower age of consent to 13

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But Peter Tatchell thinks there are discussions to be had about changing the law.

Debate

He said that even though he disagrees with what Barbara Hewson said, “there should be a calm, serious public debate” about her call to reduce the age of consent to 13.

He added: “I would support a reduction in the age of consent to 14 but only if it was accompanied by earlier, better quality sex education in schools – to encourage wiser, safer, more responsible and respectful sexual relationships.”

“This education should include assertiveness training to encourage young people to say no to unwanted sexual advances and to report abusers.”
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/critics-pan-barristers-call-to-lower-age-of-consent-to-13/

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Post by Guest on 13.05.13 14:11

@tasprin wrote:What is it with these people who want to lower the age of consent? Sixty year old Peter Tatchell wants the age of consent lowered to 14 with the proviso that earlier sex education and assertiveness training should be introduced so kids can ward off perverts. What a clever plan that is - even strong assertive women find themselves unable to ward off perverts, how would a kid fare? Why isn't Tatchell calling for kids to have earlier lessons in politics and the medical implications of alcohol, then they could vote and drink as well? After all if 13/14's are deemed mature enough to cope (mentally and physically) with perverts legally preying on them, and cope with the life changing consequences that sex may have on their health and future, then surely they can do the rest too? But these creeps are not interested in 'the rest', they are only interested in lowering the age of consent so that adults can legally have sex with kids without any repercussions - and there is an insidious agenda to sexualise younger and younger children via schools imo.


Critics pan barrister’s call to lower age of consent to 13

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But Peter Tatchell thinks there are discussions to be had about changing the law.

Debate

He said that even though he disagrees with what Barbara Hewson said, “there should be a calm, serious public debate” about her call to reduce the age of consent to 13.

He added: “I would support a reduction in the age of consent to 14 but only if it was accompanied by earlier, better quality sex education in schools – to encourage wiser, safer, more responsible and respectful sexual relationships.”

“This education should include assertiveness training to encourage young people to say no to unwanted sexual advances and to report abusers.”
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/critics-pan-barristers-call-to-lower-age-of-consent-to-13/

This is a article from 2010

Question: Who said: 'Not all sex involving children is unwanted and abusive'? Answer: The Pope's biggest British critic

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1311193/PETER-HITCHENS-Question-Who-said-Not-sex-involving-children-unwanted-abusive-Answer-The-Popes-biggest-British-critic.html

IMO this man is sick, I just feel absolute disgust when I read any thing about him.

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Post by tasprin on 13.05.13 15:33

And he [Tatchell] concluded: ‘The positive nature of some child-adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the age of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy. While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful.’

Thanks for the link Cherry Blossom

So according to Tatchell, the positive nature of paedophilia gave victims - aged 9 to 13 at the time - 'great joy' and it was their 'conscious decision' to be abused. In other words he's saying that his friends, as children - the youngest aged 9 - had 'consensual' sex with paedophiles but don't feel they were abused. If his friends really feel this way about what happened to them, then it only goes to show that they were harmed psychologically and, presumably, if these people see nothing wrong in paedophilia then they must think it perfectly acceptable to do to other children what was done to them? Tatchell has the audacity to say 'it may be impossible to condone paedophilia' yet this is precisely what he is doing.
Why do the media give him the time of day?

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Post by Guest on 13.05.13 16:50

I can't understand the media either especialy with all thats going on, could be a case of who he knows. I've copied this from my post about Harriet Harman MP;

In 1978 Harman wrote the pro-paedophile response from the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL) to proposals to clamp down on child porn. Here’s what she said:

"A pornographic photo or film of a child should not be considered indecent unless it could be shown that the child had suffered, and prosecutors would have to prove harm rather than defendants having to justify themselves "
Harriet Harman MP,
Deputy Labour Leader

Harman’s NCCL campaigned to make it legal for adults to have sex with children of just 14. The even sicker NCCL affiliate the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) campaigned to abolish the age of consent altogether.

Labour even made PIE leader Peter Tatchell one of their Parliamentary candidates Tatchell boasted that several of his twisted friends enjoyed sex with adults when they were children."Sex with adults can give children great joy" according to Labour sex campaigner Peter Tatchell.


It just leaves me feeling sick. In my eyes they don't think of children as children, to them they are just playthings. I don't think they have one ounce of shame in their bodies.

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Post by PeterMac on 13.05.13 18:10

And let us never forget Patricia Hewitt, who became Health Secretary under Blair.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html
Miss Harman, 58, was a newly qualified solicitor when she became legal officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties, now known as Liberty, in 1978. At the time its general secretary was Patricia Hewitt, who went on to become health secretary under Tony Blair.
Among the groups affiliated to NCCL were the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for Liberation, whose members argued openly for the abolition of the age of consent. NCCL complained to the press watchdog about their treatment by tabloid newspapers and said in one article: “We support any organisation that seeks to campaign for anything it wants within the law. They have that right.”
In NCCL’s official response to the Government’s plans to reform sex laws, dubbed a “Lolita’s Charter”, it suggested reducing the age of consent and argued that “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage”. It claimed that children can suffer more from having to retell their experiences in court or the press.
Amid growing public concern about adults preying on children, the Protection of Children Bill was put before Parliament in order to tighten the laws on child pornography by banning indecent images of under-16s.
NCCL’s official response, signed by Miss Harman and submitted in April 1978, claimed that the new law could lead to “damaging and absurd prosecutions” and “increase censorship”.
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/harriet-harman-jack-dromey-peter-tatchell-paedophilia/
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Post by tasprin on 13.05.13 18:14

Cherry Blossom, am I reading that right - was Peter Tatchell a PIE leader, I couldn’t find a reference to that effect but I found the following post on the Spotlight On Abuse site. The post refers to Tatchells glowing Independent obituary to Ian Campbell Dunn, founder of PIE. Tatchell praises Dunn as pioneer in gay rights, however, he omitted to mention that Dunn was a paedophile activist. The Independent must have known Dunn was a paedophile (as only a paedophile would be involved in PIE) when it published the obituary.

Spotlight on Abuse: Ian Campbell Dunn: A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing

If you read Ian Campbell Dunn’s wikipedia page you’ll find that he was a Scottish “gay rights campaigner”. After his death in 1998, Peter Tatchell wrote his obituary in The Independent which describes him as “a pioneer for lesbian and gay human rights, remaining a central figure in the battle for homosexual equality – in Scotland and internationally – for 30 years”. His obituary also says that he helped set up the Scottish Minorities Group, one of Britain’s earliest gay rights organistations, in 1969.

What Tatchell’s obituary and the Wikipedia page fail to mention is that Ian Campbell Dunn, along with Michael Hanson, was co-founder of the Paedophile Information Exchange. It was created as part of the Scottish Minorities Group in 1974, the following year it moved to London with a different group of people running it.The Paedophile Information Exchange, or PIE, campaigned for the age of consent to be reduced to 4, so paedophiles could abuse children without fear of prosecution. It also ran a contacts page which acted as a front for dealing child pornography and enabled members to make contact with other paedophiles. This is how organised networks began, and partly explains how paedophiles like Peter Righton managed to infiltrate children’s homes and schools throughout the UK.

After PIE officially disbanded in November 1984, Ian Campbell Dunn carried on running the organisation from his Edinburgh flat. Until recently there was an award for Scottish Gay Rights that was named after Dunn. In 2007 there were demands that the award should be renamed after a recipient discovered that Dunn was a paedophile.Perhaps it’s time someone edited Dunn’s Wikipedia page to give a more accurate account of his interests. We need to keep paedophiles who posed as gay people completely separate from the rest of the gay community, and it doesn’t help by being in denial about the truth. When writing Dunn’s obituary, Peter Tatchell should have taken the opportunity to distance Dunn from the gay community by being more honest about his involvement with PIE.... http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/ian-campbell-dunn-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 13.05.13 18:22

These Tatchell and Harman creatures are quite simply beneath the contempt of EVERYONE who has even the slightest and most modest of moral compasses and degree of humanity. Their involvement in the promotion of, or acceptance of, such depravity renders them somewhere well beneath the benchmark required to be classified as "human".

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Post by bobbin on 13.05.13 19:25

@PeterMac wrote:And let us never forget Patricia Hewitt, who became Health Secretary under Blair.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html
Miss Harman, 58, was a newly qualified solicitor when she became legal officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties, now known as Liberty, in 1978. At the time its general secretary was Patricia Hewitt, who went on to become health secretary under Tony Blair.
Among the groups affiliated to NCCL were the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for Liberation, whose members argued openly for the abolition of the age of consent. NCCL complained to the press watchdog about their treatment by tabloid newspapers and said in one article: “We support any organisation that seeks to campaign for anything it wants within the law. They have that right.”
In NCCL’s official response to the Government’s plans to reform sex laws, dubbed a “Lolita’s Charter”, it suggested reducing the age of consent and argued that “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage”. It claimed that children can suffer more from having to retell their experiences in court or the press.
Amid growing public concern about adults preying on children, the Protection of Children Bill was put before Parliament in order to tighten the laws on child pornography by banning indecent images of under-16s.
NCCL’s official response, signed by Miss Harman and submitted in April 1978, claimed that the new law could lead to “damaging and absurd prosecutions” and “increase censorship”.
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/harriet-harman-jack-dromey-peter-tatchell-paedophilia/
there is a long list.

The logic here (in red and blue above) is clearly, to twist and turn any counter-argument to their sickening depravity, to try to suit their argument. And it' SO transparent. If a child, according to them, has enjoyed sex with an adult (I feel sick writing this) why would they have any problem talking about their "?enjoyable?" experience, to a court, the press, or anyone.
In fact, does the 'willingly engaging child' feel free to tell his/her parents, siblings, all of his/her teachers, other children in the playground, all about the graphic descriptions of the 'sexual enjoyment' and feel free also, to announce to all of the above, WHO the person was that PROVIDED this thoughtful enjoyable sexual experience. This is just such immense abuse of innocence. There really is no space on this earth for such revolting parasites.

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Post by tigger on 13.05.13 19:47

http://www.4liberty.org.uk/2012/03/21/the-missing-children/

This link was posted by whmon in the crime and corruption section. Could get lost there and very relevant here, esp. in view of the last post. I don't want to post the whole quote, since the wording of the leaflet is too explicit imo.

Extract:

The EU is not just culpable for its PC statutes and regulations, which Nigel and Dan bang on about, not just for a complete democratic deficit and as purveyor of lunacy and hypocrisy at enormous cost and with enormous corruption and wastage, not just for grabs at various nations’ sovereignty. With its approval, nasty groups like Bertelsmann can get a German Health Department to distribute, nationwide, pamphlets in ever surgery, in every hospital, advocating paedophilia. It’s been tackled before at this blog and here it is again.

I quote Canadian author and public speaker Michael O’Brien … who spoke to LifeSiteNews.com as follows:

It is, he said, “state-encouraged incest, which in most civilized societies is a crime.”
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Post by PeterMac on 13.05.13 22:40

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:These Tatchell and Harman creatures are quite simply beneath the contempt of EVERYONE who has even the slightest and most modest of moral compasses and degree of humanity. Their involvement in the promotion of, or acceptance of, such depravity renders them somewhere well beneath the benchmark required to be classified as "human".

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(That is a lot of people who do not understand for what she actually stands.)
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Post by tasprin on 13.05.13 23:50

PeterMac, that is the problem, we are voting for people who are/were not fit to hold office. Sex offenders, paedophiles and their apologists. Their political cronies will not expose them because they'll do anything for power, and will knowingly allow people such as Cyril Smith to remain in office and continue their crimes unhindered. When the perverts die, creeps like Nick Clegg deliver a wonderful eulogy all the time knowing the man he is speaking of has, for decades, physically and sexually abused vulnerable children in the constituency he was supposed to serve. These people are the law-makers of our country - God help us.

Sadly, for his victims, the latest on Cyril Smith is that the Greater Manchester Police has dropped the investigation - No surprise.

by David Hencke -13 May 2013
Police abandon investigation into child sex abuser Sir Cyril Smith MP
A report by my colleague Nick Fielding for Exaro News (see http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4961/police-abandon-probe-into-cyril-smith-s-sexual-abuse-of-boys ) reveals the former MP linked to child sex abuse cases at the Elm Guest House in Richmond,London to Rochdale where he was an MP is now off the hook. Full details on the site.
This is despite offers from the NSPCC charity to provide a dedicated line for victims and growing evidence that Sir Cyril’s illegal activities involving young boys appear to be on a similar scale to the late Jimmy Savile’s abuse of young girls which are being vigorously pursued by the Met Police ‘s Operation Yewtree.
Greater Manchester police’s decision will add to the considerable disquiet on the internet that there could be yet another Establishment cover up over child sexual abuse cases when it comes to senior politicians. It will probably also calm the nerves of at least three Liberal Democrat peers who started their political careers in the London borough of Richmond in the aftermath of the Elm Guest House scandal which they conveniently would like to forget.
Public trust that the police will properly investigate these historic scandals is paramount. Great Manchester Police have done people a grave disservice by letting off the hook someone whom they now acknowledge would have been prosecuted for a string of offences.
http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/police-abandon-investigation-into-child-sex-abuser-sir-cyril-smith-mp/

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Post by Guest on 14.05.13 11:32

taspirn asked was Peter Tachell a PIE leader

I haven't found anthing that he was The leader imo they were all leaders working as one. He seems to have had his fingers in all pies (excuse the pun) Although is image as been portrayed as a Gay Rights Campainer, at the back of that he still seems to have a hidden agenda PIE,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tatchell

He is one horrble vile b******

AND THIS IS HOW THEY ARE REWARDED

Peter Tatchell says 'no thanks' to the Lords


Peter Tatchell, the campaigner, has 'turned down' a peerage



With the New Year’s honours list looming – and Bruce Forsyth, perhaps, hoping against hope that he might yet get a look-in – one maverick has had no hesitation in turning down a gong.


Arise – or maybe not – Peter Tatchell, the campaigner who has taken principled stands on many issues over the years, not least homosexual rights.


Tatchell, is reluctant to comment, but does not deny that he has been offered a peerage. Mandrake understands that, over the past five years, Tatchell has been sounded out about various other honours, too, but has declined them all because he does not approve of them.


Certainly, David Cameron, eager to demonstrate that his is not what Theresa May once called “the nasty party”, has made it clear that the Tories are well disposed towards homosexuals.


He was aghast when, during the run-up to the election, Chris Grayling, as shadow home secretary, was secretly taped suggesting that people who ran guest houses should “have the right” to turn away homosexual couples.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/Mobile/8204155/Peter-Tatchell-says-no-thanks-to-the-Lords.html

What is the matter with our country? why can't the British public see what is going on? Why is there no one even the MSM standing up to say what is going on and will continue to do so? Peodophils don't just stop at one child, the Goverments past and present have to take the blame they all knew and know. It could have saved hundreds maybe thousands of children from the sexual abuse they had to endure

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Post by plebgate on 14.05.13 11:57

MSM seem to be more afraid of losing money in any libel trials than printing what they know about the stinking rotten filth who abuse children.

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Post by Cherry on 15.05.13 22:40

There have been papers in the past trying to expose the perverts, think it was the Sunday Herald re Op ore but that got injuncted by Blair and papers threatened not to say anything about the pervs.

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Post by plebgate on 16.05.13 9:25

Publish and be damned would be great and I believe the people would be behind any owner who had the guts to do that on such an important issue.

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Post by tasprin on 31.05.13 13:53

Unfortunately for the nations kids, Barbara Hewson is back:


Barrister Barbara Hewson Stands By Age Of Consent Article And Criticises Yewtree 'Juggernaut'


The Huffington Post 30/05/2013

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A barrister who called for the age of consent to be lowered and criticised the Jimmy Savile investigation says she does not regret the outrage she sparked. Answering questions on her article, Barbara Hewson said operation Yewtree, which is looking at historic sexual assault allegations against a number of high-profile figures, was "a juggernaut, which is out of control"

And she defended her call for the age of consent to be set at 13, saying: "Some teenage girls are anything but wallflowers."

Hewson also said victims should not be able to raise complaints if they had not come forward at the time.

"There is a danger that judges may feel under populist pressure to judge the past by today’s standards. That would be wrong in principle," she wrote.

The leading human rights barrister was answering questions on the Spiked website, where her first article was published earlier this month.

"Human rights must not be conditional on others’ approval for their exercise: otherwise, they are not rights at all. So no, I don’t regret my article," she wrote. Asked about her description of Operation Yewtree as a 'witch-hunt against old men', she said: "My own view is that it is incumbent on those who say they have been the victim of an offence to come forward promptly. If you choose not to, then you should not be allowed to resurrect the matter decades later. I also think we cannot ignore the role of modern ‘claims-farmers’ and lawyers with a financial interest in encouraging large numbers of compensation claims, from which they hope to earn large contingency fees."

Hewson's barrister chambers distanced themselves from her original article, which said the "low-level misdemeanours" broadcaster Stuart Hall admitted were "nothing like serious crime", while the NSPCC said it "beggars belief".

Asked about the age of consent in the Q&A, she wrote: "Shakespeare’s Juliet was 13".

"Some girls more mature more quickly than others, and some teenage girls are anything but wallflowers".

"The UK has the one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy in Europe, and most underage sexual activity is with other teens. As the recent Asian procuring cases such as those in Rochdale show, the existing age of consent doesn’t appear to deter really nasty predatory behavior, though such extreme cases are atypical."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/09/barbara-hewson-says-she-has-been-threatened-online_n_3244102.html

Rochdale, atypical? In fact Rochdale is the tip of the iceberg. The police are currently investigating 54 paedophile grooming rings across the UK, similar to Rochdale]

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Post by tasprin on 31.05.13 15:01

Calls To Raise The IQ Of Barristers

9 May 2013

The Huffington Post


There have been calls to raise the IQ of barristers after one expressed an opinion that most right-thinking people disagreed with.

Campaigners say that the threshold needs to be raised in order to stop "the persecution of middle-aged women".

"This witch-hunting of ageing barristers echoes the Soviet Union," one told us.

Stupidity and ill-informed remarks were far worse in barristers' chambers during Victorian times, say campaigners. The IQ of barristers should therefore now be raised to reflect modern-day life, one told us, and "anyone suggesting otherwise has lost touch with reality. Now, where did I put my unicorn?"

There are also calls for barristers' clients to waive their right to anonymity.

"We must stop fetishising the legal profession," said one campaigner. "Instead, we should focus on arming today’s clients with the savoir-faire and skills to avoid being represented by an ignorant buffoon."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/09/barbara-hewson-operation-yewtree-spoof_n_3245610.html

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