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Post by jozi on 10.05.13 11:13

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCpr3hr0K30

A brief clip about female paedophiles. Beware, some of the content is dreadful.

Thanks but this computer being a work one, will not let me view any video link....dam !!!

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Post by Guest on 10.05.13 11:23

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCpr3hr0K30

A brief clip about female paedophiles. Beware, some of the content is dreadful.

Maybe because I'm a woman I found it difficult to watch and upsetting what these female paedophiles do when sexualy abusing. In a way straight men would find it equaly upsetting when reading about male paedophiles, so we can't close our minds to the fact it happen's in both sexes.

Wasn't there a case a few years ago of a female nursery care worker who had been sexualy abusing very young children?

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Post by Guest on 10.05.13 11:28

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11682161

I think this will be the one, Cherry Blossom.

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Post by jozi on 10.05.13 17:10

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCpr3hr0K30

A brief clip about female paedophiles. Beware, some of the content is dreadful.

Just watched the clip after getting home, thanks jean but still confused and having a WTF moment while trying to fathom out why the hell they do this.The woman in the clip says they are addicts......but addicts to what ??? How did they become addicts to child sexual abuse and where did they experience it to become a addict ???

Read the one about the nursery teacher and it says that she has never done anything like that until she met the others in a chat room ???I really do not understand this at all, can you imagine chatting in a chat room and someone suggests you do something like that,surly you would get the cops involved, not just do it ?

Its a sad, sad world that is being exposed, all these perverts, its getting to a point where we will trust no-one !!!

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Post by EJW on 10.05.13 19:22

@aiyoyo wrote:Age of consent is only one of the factors when prosecuting sexual predator. Age matters nought when it is not consensual.

Hall, or any old man for that matter, would still be considered sexual predator if he force. himself on old women without consent.
In the infamous Boston Stranlger's case, his initial victims were mostly old or older women - he was considered a normal guy with regular job, a wife and two children.

It's a shame Barbara Hewson is only riding onto current climate to build up her name because there are still many prominent people in the closet waiting to be exposed. Maybe it's just her cunning plan to get all of those perverts to start hiring her. She's giving out the message "I am a sexual predator sympathiser"hi.

Would she have said the same thing if these old men with ancient sexual crimes were not prominent , rich, and high up the social ladder celebrities - I think we all know the answer to that! She ruminates their ruined reputation and wrecked lives, conveniently forgetting that it is precisely of who they are, that they committed these atrocities against children riding on the back of their fame. Without the fame they would not have gotten away with it. People turned a blind eye to what happened right under their nose just because these predators were famous TV personalities with the clout and means to sue you if you so much as dare breathes a word about their criminality.

She overlooks the facts that those hapless children are the real victims without voice against the might of celebrities and their supporters/sympathisers collectively; and that the Judiciary system exists for old men with means and resources hence power to get redressed if they were falsely or wrongly accused.

More importantly, BH missed the pertinent point that Hall ruins his own good name - he pleaded GUILTY. No one ruins it for him. It was his action of atrocities and by his own admission that he ruined his own good name.

BH, is now seen as sexual predator or paedo***** sympathiser and is talking out of her derriere when with her insensitive comments.
The issue is a complex one, and as lawyer she should know better. It is about perverts abusing their position and power thinking they are beyond the law when seeking sexual gratifications. So what their age is as ancient as their crimes? They would not have gotten into a hugh fame and wealth that comes with it thus far hence more to ruin if it wasn't because people were intimidated by their fame, turned a blind eye and let this happened right under their nose, didnt dare breathe a word about it, in case they got into more trouble than worth.

It's time to put a stop to this. To get out the message out loud and clear that sexual predator wont be tolerated or condone regardless who you are, be it you are celebrity or pauper, straight or gay, or weird species with bizzare preference.



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Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 11.05.13 4:32

Woman Convicted on Child Exploitation Charges

U.S. Attorney’s Office January 10, 2013

District of New Hampshire (603) 225-1552

CONCORD, NH—Lisa Biron, 43, of Manchester, was convicted today in United States District Court for the District of New Hampshire on child exploitation charges, including transportation of a child for illegal sexual conduct and manufacturing and possessing child pornography, announced United States Attorney John P. Kacavas.

The investigation began in September of last year when an 18-year-old male went to the Manchester Police and reported that he met the defendant, Lisa Biron, on Craigslist and that she had shown him videos of a minor child engaged in sexual activity. The investigation then revealed that in May 2012, the defendant took a minor child to Ontario, Canada, where she produced videos of that minor engaged in sexual activity. A search warrant was executed for Lisa Biron’s computer that revealed that she had produced additional images of child pornography.

U.S. Attorney Kacavas would like to thank the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Customs and Border Protection, the Hillsborough County Attorney’s Office, the Manchester Police Department, the Strafford County House of Corrections, and the Ontario Provincial Police for their efforts in bringing this case to a successful prosecution.

http://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-releases/2013/woman-convicted-on-child-exploitation-charges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Biron

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Post by Guest on 11.05.13 5:31

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11682161

I think this will be the one, Cherry Blossom.

Thanks for finding that NFWTD.

It amazes me when you read that "Lessons have been learn't" Lessons shouldn't have had to be learn't in the first place. No other staff at Little Ted's were involved in the abuse, they may not have been an abuser but they knew about it. Why does nobody have the guts to report these vile acts, even if it was just an inkling of concern that something wasn't right?

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Post by plebgate on 11.05.13 7:22

Cherry Blossom wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11682161

I think this will be the one, Cherry Blossom.

Thanks for finding that NFWTD.

It amazes me when you read that "Lessons have been learn't" Lessons shouldn't have had to be learn't in the first place. No other staff at Little Ted's were involved in the abuse, they may not have been an abuser but they knew about it. Why does nobody have the guts to report these vile acts, even if it was just an inkling of concern that something wasn't right?

Exactly that is what I cannot understand. Letting children come to harm by turning a blind eye. Disgusting. Even an anonymous tip off - send a letter to police, social services and local MP. Can't see how that is so hard to do.

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Post by Nina on 11.05.13 10:25

@plebgate wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11682161

I think this will be the one, Cherry Blossom.

Thanks for finding that NFWTD.

It amazes me when you read that "Lessons have been learn't" Lessons shouldn't have had to be learn't in the first place. No other staff at Little Ted's were involved in the abuse, they may not have been an abuser but they knew about it. Why does nobody have the guts to report these vile acts, even if it was just an inkling of concern that something wasn't right?

Exactly that is what I cannot understand. Letting children come to harm by turning a blind eye. Disgusting. Even an anonymous tip off - send a letter to police, social services and local MP. Can't see how that is so hard to do.

This may be a reason why, http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=11688

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Post by plebgate on 11.05.13 11:32

Yes I was reading that on Spivey's site just a while ago Nina. As you say, no wonder. It is really shocking and things have to change, they just have to.

Nobody should be above the law and the new Justice Minister should be doing something about this. I should think these bloggers have sent him a copy of this and if not they should do pronto.

Remind me, who was Justice Minister until a few months ago?

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Post by aquila on 12.05.13 4:03

There is a danger that the term 'grope' (whilst not a legal term) will become attached to the 'antics and acceptable behaviour of yesteryear'.

'It was just a quick feel, the girls threw themselves at us, they looked older than their years, they were up for it, we had to beat them off, it was just the way things were in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's'....we're in 2013 and it's no better for goodness' sake.

I believe lawyers will really get to like the 'grope' word and promote its almost 'innocent' 'acceptable' inference in bygone times. Lawyers can even advise clients to plead guilty in their dotage to such misguided and possibly 'understandable' practice of the times. I have no doubt lawyers will attempt to inform and persuade a jury that it was just the way things were in 'those days'.

So, just for the record and to state clearly what lawyers might consider promoting in their argument as merely 'groping', I'd like them to clearly define the meaning of such an inference as to render it a misdemeanour. Is it 'groping' when a child is kissed on the mouth by an adult and the adult rams their tongue into the child's mouth? is that groping? Is it groping when an adult sticks their hand up a child's skirt 'in a friendly way' and forces their fingers inside a child? is that 'groping'? Is it acceptable? Was it acceptable in 'those days'? I don't think it was. We didn't suddenly develop adult morality in the wake of equal rights in UK. It's always, always, always been wrong for an adult to molest a child. A child has no concept of consent in sexual matters.

We are not talking about a history of more than 50 years. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Sadly it's worse nowadays.

I apologise for only using the molestation of girls. I want to just cover the 'grope' aspect that I fear is the latest 'damage limitation' lawyers are using. There is much more evil being covered up.

As for the age of consent, well there are a lot of adults out there being arrested right now that knew it was wrong at the time and have no idea of the damage they have inflicted on someone else's life - the only life they have.

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Post by PeterMac on 12.05.13 7:48

You are right.
Just as Theft from a shop is downgraded by the lawyers' language to 'shoplifting'; Theft of a car is downgraded to 'joyriding', and so on in an attempt to get their client a lower sentence.
Interesting that the thread has moved from consideration of "consent" to "assault".
The first is a debatable issue. The latter is not.

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Post by plebgate on 12.05.13 8:24

Excellent post Aquila.

I do not trust anyone who is in favour of lowering the age of consent. Why would anybody want that and why has it over the last 10 years or so even been brought into discussion let alone voted for in Parliament? Far more important things need sorting in the country than lowering the age of consent.

LEAVE OUR CHILDREN ALONE.

If 13 is thought the appropriate age for consensual sex then why not treat them as adults on all issues - voting, marriage, working, buying cars, using credit cards. Yep that's right it is an ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS suggestion so why don't these people who are calling for lowering the age of consent just JOG ON and find something worthwhile to do with their time. ARRRGGGHHH.

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Post by aquila on 12.05.13 13:14

@PeterMac wrote:You are right.
Just as Theft from a shop is downgraded by the lawyers' language to 'shoplifting'; Theft of a car is downgraded to 'joyriding', and so on in an attempt to get their client a lower sentence.
Interesting that the thread has moved from consideration of "consent" to "assault".
The first is a debatable issue. The latter is not.

Hi PeterMac,

To consider debating the age of consent is just a nonsense. It'll make a lot of people rich and is manna from heaven to a paedophile. It's just moving goalposts and is as simple as that. It has nothing to do with the rights of a child to actually be a child and is only concerned with the rights of a predatory adult to justify their evil deeds and get them off the hook.

Intellectuals will buzz like bees around a honey pot. Lawyers will rub their hands at the challenge. The fact remains that whatever the age of consent it will not be enough for a peadophile. Intellectuals may also consider certain paedophillic paintings 'works of art' and worthy of debate as to their artistic merit.

No-one in their right mind would consider reducing the age of driving to thirteen. Intellectuals will never debate that concept and yet perhaps a thirteen year old (or even a five year old as it will become a numbers game in the sexual depravity arena - on a downward spiral) can be deemed responsible enough in sexual matters.

The age of consent in UK is sixteen. It is an 'enforcable' law. It is there to protect our children and to allow them to grow into their sexuality free of exploitation. The age of consent doesn't need to be changed. It needs to be nurtured. Ask any decent parent. Just don't ask a lawyer, a judge, a member of parliament, a psycholgist studying paedophiles or paedophiles themselves (which could all come from the aforementioned professions).

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Post by J420 on 12.05.13 13:53

There is a ring out therw that campains for it to be lowered to 4 just google david joy.

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Post by Guest on 12.05.13 13:58

@aquila wrote:There is a danger that the term 'grope' (whilst not a legal term) will become attached to the 'antics and acceptable behaviour of yesteryear'.

'It was just a quick feel, the girls threw themselves at us, they looked older than their years, they were up for it, we had to beat them off, it was just the way things were in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's'....we're in 2013 and it's no better for goodness' sake.

I believe lawyers will really get to like the 'grope' word and promote its almost 'innocent' 'acceptable' inference in bygone times. Lawyers can even advise clients to plead guilty in their dotage to such misguided and possibly 'understandable' practice of the times. I have no doubt lawyers will attempt to inform and persuade a jury that it was just the way things were in 'those days'.

So, just for the record and to state clearly what lawyers might consider promoting in their argument as merely 'groping', I'd like them to clearly define the meaning of such an inference as to render it a misdemeanour. Is it 'groping' when a child is kissed on the mouth by an adult and the adult rams their tongue into the child's mouth? is that groping? Is it groping when an adult sticks their hand up a child's skirt 'in a friendly way' and forces their fingers inside a child? is that 'groping'? Is it acceptable? Was it acceptable in 'those days'? I don't think it was. We didn't suddenly develop adult morality in the wake of equal rights in UK. It's always, always, always been wrong for an adult to molest a child. A child has no concept of consent in sexual matters.

We are not talking about a history of more than 50 years. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Sadly it's worse nowadays.

I apologise for only using the molestation of girls. I want to just cover the 'grope' aspect that I fear is the latest 'damage limitation' lawyers are using. There is much more evil being covered up.

As for the age of consent, well there are a lot of adults out there being arrested right now that knew it was wrong at the time and have no idea of the damage they have inflicted on someone else's life - the only life they have.

Under Dutch Law, both the tongue & finers execercise constitue the poenal offence of: rape

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Post by Casey5 on 12.05.13 15:03

I remember many years ago reading about a case of sexual activity with a child and the line of defence was that she was a girl who put it about a lot.
The judge said that the law was there to protect the child even if she was the village bike.
That was true then and it's true now, children have the right to be protected even if it's from themselves.
A wise judge I thought.

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Post by tasprin on 12.05.13 15:19

I agree, those who lobby for lowering the age of consent are untrustworthy and at best apologists for perverts. IMO anyone who suggests it, is a dubious character as only paedophiles would be empowered by such a change in legislation - a paedophiles charter. Thirteen-fifteen year-old children have nothing to gain and everything to loose. The argument lobbyists (and there's been a few of them lately) put forward is that they want to decriminalise sex between young teenagers, a sham of an argument because the police are not interested in prosecuting same-age teenagers. Barbara Hewson is entitled to spout her opinion but the fact that a barrister publicly undermines the victims of sex abuse and minimises the crimes of sex offenders is absolutely gobsmacking. Does she consider the historic child abuse suffered by thousands of her fellow Irish citizens (abused by paedophiles posing as Men of God) as misdemeanours, and is the prosecution of old-men-priests a witch hunt too or does she reserve her sympathies for old-men-celebrities?
Stuart Hall is an odious character and what he did cannot be dismissed as a misdemeanour. Hall and his friends, one of whom was a law-maker MP and now a Peer of the Realm, abused a young girl and left her bleeding - is this what Hewson considers a misdemeanour? The old men Hewson speaks of are sex offenders and paedophiles who’ve fooled the public and gained riches, celebrity, honours (in some cases regarded as ‘national treasure’) by masquerading as decent human beings - gains they could not have acquired had the truth been known. Criminally abusive old celebrities have been protected by police, lawyers and PR and lived long and prosperous lives whilst leaving behind a trail of utter misery and wrecked young lives. Their age is of no relevance whatsoever, they’re just lucky their celebrity status enabled them to escape the law for decades - just as Catholic priest status enabled the ‘Holy Men‘ to escape it. I don’t care whether abusers are celebrities, priests, politicians or Joe Blogs, what age they are, or when they committed their crimes, just as long as they‘re eventually caught - and if they’re nabbed in their old age for historic child/adult sex abuse, well, better late than never imo.
It‘s interesting that Barbara Hewson should choose to air her views at a time when so many major child abuse investigations are underway. Politicians are currently desperately trying to cover up a multitude of child abuse cases in the care system - such as the Elm Guest House scandal, which involved their fellow politicians, and others in positions of power, systematically abusing defenceless poor kids in care. Presumably if Barbara Hewson got her way, children in the care of local authorities would be left totally defenceless - the abuser would be able to coerce and groom children and then claim consensual sex. What chance would these kids have then?

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Post by Casey5 on 12.05.13 15:23

Excellent post tasprint. I totally agree.

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Post by aquila on 12.05.13 15:44

@tasprin wrote:I agree, those who lobby for lowering the age of consent are untrustworthy and at best apologists for perverts. IMO anyone who suggests it, is a dubious character as only paedophiles would be empowered by such a change in legislation - a paedophiles charter. Thirteen-fifteen year-old children have nothing to gain and everything to loose. The argument lobbyists (and there's been a few of them lately) put forward is that they want to decriminalise sex between young teenagers, a sham of an argument because the police are not interested in prosecuting same-age teenagers. Barbara Hewson is entitled to spout her opinion but the fact that a barrister publicly undermines the victims of sex abuse and minimises the crimes of sex offenders is absolutely gobsmacking. Does she consider the historic child abuse suffered by thousands of her fellow Irish citizens (abused by paedophiles posing as Men of God) as misdemeanours, and is the prosecution of old-men-priests a witch hunt too or does she reserve her sympathies for old-men-celebrities?
Stuart Hall is an odious character and what he did cannot be dismissed as a misdemeanour. Hall and his friends, one of whom was a law-maker MP and now a Peer of the Realm, abused a young girl and left her bleeding - is this what Hewson considers a misdemeanour? The old men Hewson speaks of are sex offenders and paedophiles who’ve fooled the public and gained riches, celebrity, honours (in some cases regarded as ‘national treasure’) by masquerading as decent human beings - gains they could not have acquired had the truth been known. Criminally abusive old celebrities have been protected by police, lawyers and PR and lived long and prosperous lives whilst leaving behind a trail of utter misery and wrecked young lives. Their age is of no relevance whatsoever, they’re just lucky their celebrity status enabled them to escape the law for decades - just as Catholic priest status enabled the ‘Holy Men‘ to escape it. I don’t care whether abusers are celebrities, priests, politicians or Joe Blogs, what age they are, or when they committed their crimes, just as long as they‘re eventually caught - and if they’re nabbed in their old age for historic child/adult sex abuse, well, better late than never imo.
It‘s interesting that Barbara Hewson should choose to air her views at a time when so many major child abuse investigations are underway. Politicians are currently desperately trying to cover up a multitude of child abuse cases in the care system - such as the Elm Guest House scandal, which involved their fellow politicians, and others in positions of power, systematically abusing defenceless poor kids in care. Presumably if Barbara Hewson got her way, children in the care of local authorities would be left totally defenceless - the abuser would be able to coerce and groom children and then claim consensual sex. What chance would these kids have then?

Brilliant post tasprin.

I have only one thing to add to it. Isn't it strange for a woman to even consider a sort of pro endorsement of child molestation by questioning the age of consent? Perhaps we've finally lost our humanity. I can't think of any woman I know or have known that would enter a debate on lowering the age of consent. I can think of weird women who want to make a name for themselves, a pile of money from promoting their careers, enriching their bank accounts and who have absolutely no sense of humanity, their roles as mothers and their stance as females in this world. Goodness me, Jimmy Savile may as well be sitting on their many sofas. As a woman I am ashamed of those 'sisters'.

Good post tasprin

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Post by tasprin on 12.05.13 18:28

Very strange indeed Aquila. I imagine Barbara Hewson is a tough old bird, hard as nails and addresses everyone as ‘mate’. I’m sure too that she's very capable of handling herself but if some grimy pervert grabbed her boob or stuck his hand up her skirt (apologies for the vulgar analogy) I’ve no doubt she’d be screaming all the way to the cop-shop and rightly so - the assault wouldn’t be dismissed as a ‘misdemeanour’ - so how she can lose sight of the trauma experienced by young children and teenage victims is beyond me.

Though the majority of women would have no truck with Hewson’s views, and horrible as it is to acknowledge, there are women out there who turn a blind eye to abuse, some minimise or encourage it, and others actually take part in it. There are also women in politics like Harriet Harman whom, in the course of her career, associated with paedophile organisations and wanted the age of consent lowered to fourteen; women like Edwina Curry who turned a blind eye to a pederast in parliament, and women like actress Susie Amy who suggested that maybe the age of consent should be abolished altogether.

In the McCann case, the number of women who have excused the repeated parental neglect of three kids to go drinking, until one of the kids ended up being snatched by a paedophile, is pretty shocking - these women are far more concerned about excusing and defending the parents neglect than they are about the terrifying, but wholly avoidable, abuse the child would’ve been subjected to, had she been abducted as is claimed.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.05.13 18:36

If anything age of consent should be raised. Barbara Hewson is barmy to suggest to the contrary. She is missing the point that age is of the least concern to sick perverts. Age limit does not deter perverts. When they forced themselves onto victims they don't care about victim's age. All that matters to them is whether they will get away with it and not land themselves in trouble with the law.

Stuart Hall youngest victim was only 9-year old. Savile youngest victims were four 5 year olds.
If Barbara Hewson thinks Hall sexual violation of a 9-year old is a misdemeanour she's not fit to be a lawyer. She's a probably a sick individual who needs medical attention.

The younger the victim the better to these sexual predators because younger children do not have the maturity to understand what happened to them, wont tell anyone about their ordeal, and wont report their perpetrator to the Police.

Paedo**** is a term given to sick individual who sexually abused children, but they can be married with children, which proves their sexual inclination is not restricted merely to children. They target mostly children because they are get away with the crimes without the complication as if they were to target adults in the same manner. That is why needy children or children in homes are perfect sitting ducks. Because of their unfortunate circumstances they are defenceless, helpless, no one to love or pay special attention to them. Even if they were to tell their parents or carers historical records proved they were not believed. The younger the victims the less likely they will tell anyone because they simply cannot comprehend what happened to them let alone know that what happened to them is a crime against them. They will end up being very psychologically damaged and dysfunctional and cannot move on in life in the normal manner. Nothing can compensate the damage done to them as psychological wound does not heal, not even with time.

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Post by tasprin on 12.05.13 18:49

100% agree

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Post by Guest on 12.05.13 20:48

Paedophile means child-lover. Of course, there are men/women who get satisfaction with young ones not able to defend themselves, but that is definitely not the same.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.05.13 21:48

Châtelaine wrote:Paedophile means child-lover. Of course, there are men/women who get satisfaction with young ones not able to defend themselves, but that is definitely not the same.

True, as concise meaning of 'paedophile'.
Those seedy characters making news at the moment are the kinds of twisted perverts who happened to like other age group as well judging from the age range of their victims; taking into account also they'd been married and stayed married for years.

Their catchment of victims happened to include children hence they are labelled paedo**** but they're not strictly paedo*** by the definition of the term.

It's not wrong to say there are the kinds that are strictly paedophile in the true sense of the word.
Then there are the other kinds who are married yet are sexual predators of any age group, but are nonetheless considered as paedophiles because children are included as their victims, but are not necessary merely paedophiles in the true definition of the word.

Perpetrator against adults is termed as sexual predator, and perpetrator against children is termed as paedophile.
There should be a new term for perp who has a propensity to violate against both groups - maybe a paedopredaphile or a predapaedophile depending on which is first preference.

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