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Post by Guest on 05.05.13 10:51

@russiandoll wrote:
@Portia wrote:
candyfloss wrote:So they did have a private meeting with David Cameron last week.........



Last week Prime Minister David Cameron had a private
meeting with the McCanns in London,
promising them the review would not fall
foul of budget cuts and giving them enough confidence to say on their website
that they hope for a significant breakthrough in the months ahead.


So he'll continue funding the research into their position, and he expects a significant breaktrough soon.


not so private now published though.

So where is the HS statement that she was under pressure to give?

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Post by sharonl on 05.05.13 11:06

@russiandoll wrote:quote sharonl

" May 1st was the day that Robert Murat rushed back to Portugal from the
UK (Emergency business meeting, something to do with a new company).

What
strikes me as very odd Is that Murat was suspected of being involved in
Madeleines' disappearance, the only witnesses to claim his presence at
the Ocean Club complex on the evening of May 3rd 2007 were members of
the McCann holiday party,


very strange, becasue while he was in PdL the only significant date for him in the official tale is from evening May 3rd onwards.
And while in the body of the article he refers to immediate pre- and post disappearance, the sub heading of the article gives prominence to the preceding 2 days.

This could mean one of three things:

1. The case is about to be re-opened and the Policia Judiciari have requested a formal re-construction of the events of these 2 days in order to verify the movement of the McCanns and their Tapas friends during that time. (McCanns preparing us for this)

2. As they once stated, The McCanns want to film a Crime Watch style reconstruction (in an attempt to clear their names)

3. A row has erupted between Murat and the McCanns

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Post by bristow on 05.05.13 11:17

I'm not entirely sure that The Express is being supportive to Murat.

The following sentence seems to be subliminally trying to make us associate Murat with someone else, ie JTs abductor?

"Asked if he thought Madeleine’s fate would ever be known, he brushed
back his thick dark brown hair, rubbed his tanned chin and said: “I hope
so."

(IMO)

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Post by tigger on 05.05.13 11:20

Well, at least we have that great defender of the truth telling us what's what.

Murat imo is very likely to know what happened during those 48 hours. He'll be as safe as houses. I'm wondering if the business isn't doing so well or/and has that £ 600.000,-- payout dried up now? Or his Mum's book needs a good launch? He may well have helped her write it.

Perhaps his wonky memory will deliver another few salient facts.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.13 11:20

candyfloss wrote:So they did have a private meeting with David Cameron last week.........



Last week Prime Minister David Cameron had a private
meeting with the McCanns in London,
promising them the review would not fall
foul of budget cuts and giving them enough confidence to say on their website
that they hope for a significant breakthrough in the months ahead.

Well, if there is to be no expense spared why hasn't Cameron instructed SY to use some of the never ending money to put the T9 on a plane to Portugal, do a reconstruction, that will totally clear the T9 from any involvement, and bring them all back, first class.?

Just wondering WHICH SIDE OF THE ROAD will they (SY) PLACE GM and JW having their 'chat'?
As Kate has told as twice, in print, that Gerry DID cross the road to talk to JW.
As JW has sworn on oath that he CROSSED the road to talk to GM.
Or dosen't it matter? lol.
just wondering how JT is going to explain how she managed to get past JW/GM when they have both said they ended up on OPPOSITE sides of the street to each other, and her flip flopping BETWEEN them, but they didn't SEE her.
Just wondering how JT KNEW Gerry had already checked the kids, having not seen him do it, and was coming BACK to the OC.
Or dosen't that matter?

Just wondering how Matt managed to be both in his apartment, after passing Paynes going to the OC, and also being seated at the tapas table when the Paynes got there, 30 seconds later.
According to DP statement.
Or dosen't it matter?

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Post by Guest on 05.05.13 11:22

I think it simply means that unusually the McCanns weren't available for comment or interview so they chose to run with Murat. It's probably cynical but it's just a headline with Madeleine, the McCann's and some words. If it was any other missing child 6 years on it would have been a paragraph somewhere in the newspapers with April taking the headlines. But here we have the McCanns generously remembering April, surprise, surprise.

I have my own theory on why they're vocal about April at this point. And what contributed to their worry grief at the vigil.

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Post by bristow on 05.05.13 11:23

I wish The Express had asked him his opinion again on the South Africans theory of a body in the garden!

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Post by Woofer on 05.05.13 11:27

RM`s statement that SY have not even interviewed him during this 2yr long `review`at least confirms that SY are, as they said, merely checking the PJ`s paperwork and NOT doing any further investigating. If they were, they would have re-interviewed everyone surely, including the McCanns. So, over 2 years work and £4.5 million spent and all they`ve done is gone through paperwork. Is this really plausible?

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Post by Monty Heck on 05.05.13 11:29

This article is both welcome and timely and is indeed what is needed yet has been avoided by every means possible for the past 6 years; despite public declarations that the group will do everything in their power to assist the investigation. As we are only too aware, the opposite has been the case. In declaring himself available to the inquiry despite what has gone before, and it would be understandable if he wished to draw a line under that rather than get involved again, he highlights the reluctance of the group of people closest to the child to assist in the same way. People, as has been pointed out, who would be expected to be volunteering assistance, but instead obtained legal advice on how to avoid doing so.
As to RM, he was invloved in some of the translations, may have seen some investigation documents in the early stages, possibly still has contacts within the GNR/PJ AND has had the same access to the released investigation documents as we on this blog have. As the first arguido, suspicion still clings to him and he is aware of that but he seems willing to run any risk that requestioning may bring, in marked contrast to arguido 2 & 3 and their holiday friends. RM unquestioningly suffered great personal harm and may well do so again if anything were found to cast suspicion on him once more, yet is willing to "go back there" while the parents of the missing child are patently not. A curious scenario indeed and it comes as no surprise that CM has declined to comment, for how indeed could that be spun in any positive way?
The dearth of information from the group and particularly KMcC in her diary and book regarding certain days must be as apparent to him as to any of us. IMO publicly calling for reinterviews to cover those to date poorly or unaccounted for parts of the narrative is the most welcome news seen in this case for a very long time. It is to be hoped that this is the beginning of public pressure for a thorough and transparent investigation of this case, not a review, a fudge or a whitewash. The McCs cannot be exonerated by PR or by any back door method. If indeed innocent establishing the true facts and resolving any inconsistencies regarding their and their friends' conduct must be allowed to happen to bring an end to the present situation once and for all.

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Post by Woofer on 05.05.13 11:32

PeterMac - "Carter-Ruck won't let them anywhere near a witness box."

By saying this Peter, you are suggesting that lawyers have more authority than the police. Surely if a police summons is issued to all parties to attend for a re-construction, no-one can refuse, unless of course they are sick at the time.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.13 11:34

WHICH ONE OF THE T9/10 DO WE THINK WILL BE LIKEIEST TO DO AN 'ADRIAN PROUT'?
IF THE SY REVIEW TEAM EVER CALL THEM IN.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 05.05.13 11:34

I think the McCanns, like most of us, probably do have great sympathy towards Coral and Paul Jones and what they are going through. And both families have lost a young daughter. At the same time though I think lighting a candle for April at the service serves a purpose in that people will associate the two girls together, and will assume a similar fate.

Robert Murat seems only to willing to talk to police again, while the Tapas 9 do not, what does that say? Murat was present, as translator, at the interviews of several key witnesses, perhaps he realises from that there are areas which need clarification, or perhaps he has been piecing together what he knows or has heard about the case. I think he will have given this interview (possibly with the agreement of others) to increase the pressure for a reconstruction. If articles appear in the British press asking for the Tapas group to return to Portugal, but they don't go (and yet the other ex-arguido Murat is prepared to talk to the PJ), how are they all to explain their actions then?

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Post by ShuBob on 05.05.13 11:34

@Woofer wrote:RM`s statement that SY have not even interviewed him during this 2yr long `review`at least confirms that SY are, as they said, merely checking the PJ`s paperwork and NOT doing any further investigating. If they were, they would have re-interviewed everyone surely, including the McCanns. So, over 2 years work and £4.5 million spent and all they`ve done is gone through paperwork. Is this really plausible?

If that's the case, why did they need to visit Metodo 3 in Barcelona and emerge from their offices with boxes presumably containing files?

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Post by suzyjohnson on 05.05.13 11:38

The reason the police might not have interviewed Murat might simply be that they know he was not involved in what happened to MM?

I hope that's the reason. For the SY to spend all that money on a review and not to seriously question the statements of the Tapa 9 would be inexcusable.

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Post by Woofer on 05.05.13 11:41

@ShuBob wrote:
@Woofer wrote:RM`s statement that SY have not even interviewed him during this 2yr long `review`at least confirms that SY are, as they said, merely checking the PJ`s paperwork and NOT doing any further investigating. If they were, they would have re-interviewed everyone surely, including the McCanns. So, over 2 years work and £4.5 million spent and all they`ve done is gone through paperwork. Is this really plausible?

If that's the case, why did they need to visit Metodo 3 in Barcelona and emerge from their offices with boxes presumably containing files?

Ah ha .... forgot about that one ShuBob, thanks. Got any more like that? Anything that indicates SY have done more than look at the PJ files.

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Post by Woofer on 05.05.13 11:50

Initial reaction to RM doing this piece in the paper is that he must be innocent or else why would he be opening up another can of worms. If he had any hidden part in the disappearance, he would want to slink off and not bring attention to himself. Unless of course he is brazen enough to be that provocative like the McCanns often are.

This could be linked to his mother`s book - is it about to be published?

Or could it be linked to the Max Clifford, to whom he was involved with soon after his arguido status. Max Clifford spoke up for him and obviously knows stuff.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.13 11:53

Six o'clock 'knock' for JT/R O'B?

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Post by suzyjohnson on 05.05.13 11:55

If SY are just re-checking all info including that of the PJ, doesn't that indicate that eventually they will reach the same conclusion as the Portuguese?

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Post by The Rooster on 05.05.13 11:59

The front cover may have been Whooooosed in the UK, but we have it on the news stands in Spain. Come on the Met... Come on the PJ Review, time to start scoring some goals. GOOOAAALLA!!!

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Post by loopzdaloop on 05.05.13 12:03

MJC wrote:
@plebgate wrote:It's all a riddle to me - the Portugese authorities apparently not re-opening the case and yet a major breakthrough, despite key witnesses not being interviewed , likely in the coming months.

Can't make sense of any of this.


That Sunday Express article explained

ROBERT MURAT today appeals for Scotland Yard to stage a filmed reconstruction of all the events surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By: James MurrayPublished: Sun,
May 5, 2013
PHOTO _ Robert Murat, cleared as a suspect, on the eve of the 6th
anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance


Marking the sixth anniversary of her abduction, the Algarve-based businessman says a 48-hour timeline would help police conducting a £4.5million review of the case.


Starting at 10.00pm on Tuesday 1 May?

Mr Murat, who was cleared as a suspect, said: “They need to start from the beginning.” So far the two-year review by more than 20 detectives in London has not led to a breakthrough. Portugal’s authorities have not been persuaded to reopen the investigation,


They must be persuaded to do so

although Policia Judiciaria policewoman Helena Monteiro liaises regularly with officers from the Yard’s Operation Grange.

Mr Murat, 39, spoke to the Sunday Express while sipping tea in Casa ­Liliana, his elderly mother Jenny’s villa 150 yards from apartment 5a of the Ocean Club where Madeleine vanished.

He said: “They need to speak to everybody, including myself, and they need to get the Portuguese involved in a much more constructive way.


By disclosing their evidence to Scotland Yard

“To get somewhere now they need to have a joint team working here together in Praia da Luz. This is where it happened. It didn’t happen in England. “The reconstruction should cover the critical period just before and after the abduction.”

There was an abduction. We must find out more about how it happened.

Madeleine was three when she disappeared from the apartment at about 9.15pm while her parents Kate and Gerry McCann and seven friends ate at a tapas bar nearby. When the Judiciaria named the McCanns as suspects, they and their friends chose not to take part in a PJ-led reconstruction. It would be different now that they have been cleared,

The McCanns have been cleared

said Mr Murat. He said: “A reconstruction is a real necessity. I am sure it would fill in some of the missing pieces of the jigsaw. Even now after all this time, the timeline is still confused.” Thirteen days after Madeleine’s disappearance Mr Murat was named as a suspect. His mother’s home, where he lived then, was searched, his computers were taken,
he was questioned for 19 hours by Portuguese police and his property business
was wrecked.

His eagerness to help with the original investigation,


[not telling them the truth about his movements between 1 and 4 May]

helping police with translations,

[plus trying to sneak a look at police documents, suggesting lines of enquiry to the police]

aroused a journalist’s suspicions.

[more relevantly, the suspicions of a police inspector who filed a critical report about him]

Three of the McCanns’ friends believed they saw him on the night Madeleine vanished but his mother confirmed to police he was with her all night at Casa Liliana. After being cleared as a suspect in July 2008 he won substantial damages from newspapers.

Despite his ordeal he believes Madeleine’s fate should be uppermost in everybody’s minds as another anniversary passes. He said: “You cannot lose sight of the fact that a child was taken and we need to know what happened to her.”


There was an abduction. We need to find out who took her, and where to.

He is still willing to be interviewed by the review team, which has made no effort to contact him. “I have no problem with that whatsoever,” he said emphatically. “I am available to help on the proper legal basis. I think everybody who was around at that time, holidaymakers and people at the Ocean Club, should be interviewed again. The timeline needs to be made crystal clear because there is still so much confusion, such a mess.”

PHOTO _ Madeleine aged three in Everton shirt

Police need to be here, not England


Asked if he thought Madeleine’s fate would ever be known, he brushed back his thick dark brown hair, rubbed his tanned chin and said: “I hope so, I believe it will come out one day.” He said Portugal’s financial crisis means “if the British do want to get to the bottom of this, it is a case of funding the Portuguese”.

Scotland Yard spending £4.5 million is not enough. The British government must pay the Portuguese to carry on with their investigation.

Mr Murat, who grew up in Devon and Portugal, now has a young family with wife Michaela. They were both victims of the relentless media frenzy when Madeleine vanished and it has left its scars. For the first time during the interview he became emotional and said in a whisper: “There is no way to describe the impact this has had on our lives. Six years later it still affects me. I wasn’t able to do much for years and years.

“It was difficult getting back on the horse, so to speak, and do the stuff I was doing before.” His property business went, partly because his computers were held by the PJ for so long, but now he has built up Newteq, an Apple-authorised service provider on the Algarve. He said he and Michaela live a quiet life, staying away from some events because people still come up to him and say: “You’re that Mr Murat.”

Before 2007 he says he was one of those people who was always eager to help others, to get involved in the community. Now he is more guarded. When the original police investigation was at its height, he bumped into a British man, Steve Carpenter, who persuaded him to meet the McCanns because they needed his language skills. He said: “I met Gerry and said: ‘I don’t know what to say, there is nothing I can say but I do speak Portuguese and English and I will help in any way I can’.”


He helped Portugal’s GNR military officers to search the Ocean Club apartments and translated statements from key witnesses, giving him a unique inside perspective on the case.

He said: “From the experiences of the interviews there are some points that could be looked at. “There needs to be much more transparency, much more openness to dissipate a lot of the stuff that has been talked about on the internet and on blogs.”

Those pesky blogs. Transparency and openness will help to shut them up.

He does not believe the results of the Yard’s work should be made available to the public. “The Yard needs to get together with the Portuguese police and ­produce a final report,” he said. “They need to sit down together and come up with a final version, a structured report.

“The report should be done by the Portuguese with the support of the British.”


A final, joint report that will say what the two police forces think really happened.

Last week Prime Minister David Cameron had a private meeting with the McCanns in London, promising them the review would not fall foul of budget cuts and giving them enough confidence to say on their website that they hope for a significant breakthrough in the months ahead.

More public money will be spent in this ‘no stone unturned’ search by the British government for the truth. As long as it takes. As much money as it takes.

On Friday night Kate and Gerry, both 45, gathered around a candle which burns night and day for Madeleine outside their home village of Rothley, Leicestershire. A 50-strong crowd supported them as they marked the anniversary with prayers with Madeleine’s ­siblings, eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

Mr Murat said: “It must be a ­tremendously difficult time of year for them and of course as a human being you feel for them and for the loss of their daughter. At this time of year, like so many people on the Algarve, we have been thinking about this poor girl. I just hope in the months ahead the PJ are fully involved because in my view that is the best way of solving the mystery.”


The PJ need to disclose what they have to Scotland Yard.

At St Vincent’s church in Praia da Luz, where Kate and Gerry went regularly, worshippers also prayed for Madeleine, whose 10th birthday is on May 12. Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, declined to comment on Mr Murat’s views last night, saying the couple were happy with how Scotland Yard is conducting the review.

Unless your writing sardonically, the purple writing as an interpretation is as terrible and inaccurate as a lot of the junk written about the mccanns in the mainstream media.

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Post by ShuBob on 05.05.13 12:17

candyfloss wrote:Express comment........


Police must keep up effort to solve Madeleine riddle

SIX years have now passed since Madeleine McCann went missing during a family holiday in Portugal.





Published: Sun, May 5, 2013


Despite their unimaginable suffering, parents Kate and Gerry have campaigned without rest to keep their daughter's case in the public eye and maintain pressure on the police for that vital resolution.

So we can only hope that the couple are justified in their current belief that a significant breakthrough in the case is just around the corner.

In two years, the £4.5million case review by homicide detectives at Scotland Yard has failed to shed new light on events of that evening in 2007 or to persuade the Portuguese authorities to reopen the investigation.

No one expects Operation Grange to provide a running commentary on its review but revelations that Scotland Yard has yet to interview key witness and former suspect Robert Murat must surely raise questions

Mr Murat has rebuilt his life since he was cleared of all suspicion over Madeleine's disappearance and stands ready and willing to help.

He cannot understand why a full reconstruction of the night has not been conducted and believes other key witnesses have also not been reinterviewed.

No matter how terrible the case, Scotland Yard must account for the public money being spent in pursuit of the truth

Questions must be asked as to whether all key witnesses will be reinterviewed and, if not, why not? The passage of time must not render the search for Madeleine any less exhaustive

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/397203/Police-must-keep-up-effort-to-solve-Madeleine-riddle

(My bold)

IMO this is Richard Desmond saying loud and clear that a whitewash will not go unchallenged.

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Post by Monty Heck on 05.05.13 12:44

ShuBob Today at 12:17 pm


IMO this is Richard Desmond saying loud and clear that a whitewash will not go unchallenged.

It does seem to be a declaration of intent - we can only hope it is exactly that. RM declaring in print he is willing to assist the investigation and calling for a reconstruction involving relevant witnesses cannot be countered by spin but let's see them try.

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Post by Ayniia on 05.05.13 13:05

It's a coincidence that I spend all my Saturday reading about Murat and then this article came out...

quote from the article "His property business went, partly because his computers were held by the PJ for so long..."
But I read that back in the crucial days he was pleased that the PJ returned his computers so soon after taking them... of course the quote from the article is based on the writer opinion who clearly didn't do his homework as usual.

Then there's the very interesting "48 hours quote"... There's a call in the files in which Murat spoke to an English officer and IMO he (Murat) was eager to know if the Portuguese police had a way to know where he was in the crucial times based on his cell location... so by now with the files out there he sure knows they did and that he is cleared in that matter (he could not have the phones with him but that's another discussion)

IMO Murat's a very intelligent fellow , didn't needed a PR to back himself up and clear his name so I think it's a very very interesting article with much more behind than what it seems .

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Post by sheila.edwards on 05.05.13 13:19

well wouldent you think with all the money spent so far all these things would have been done by now! have noticed less insistence of abductor from parents, now and talk of missing child themselves is all odd. they will just get the spokesman to bluff off any awkward questions he probably knew copy of diaries was good campaign marketing ploy etc I thought so info will come out if suits them via back door if good campaign marketing ploy no doubt dvd of reconstruction could next thing to be for sale!

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Post by ShuBob on 05.05.13 13:34

@suzyjohnson wrote:The reason the police might not have interviewed Murat might simply be that they know he was not involved in what happened to MM?

I hope that's the reason. For the SY to spend all that money on a review and not to seriously question the statements of the Tapa 9 would be inexcusable.

That makes no sense. Apart from the fact he was a suspect, he was in the area at the crucial times and helped interview witnesses. If nothing else, he would have heard/seen things which may be important to the investigation. Personally, I think he's completely innocent but it'll be a travesty if he's not re-interviewed.

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