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Post by tigger on 24.04.13 8:06

I'm getting a bit fed up with the internet and trolls being blamed for 'conspiracy theories' . It is also implied that the internet is the sole source for these theories and misinformation is being fed to the unintelligent users of the internet.

Misinformation is as old as the hills. Manipulation of operators/terrorists/malcontents equally so.

I'm opening with Pearl Harbour: the US public generally do not wish to believe that nearly 2500 died because the US needed an excuse to get into the war. Congress would not have voted for the war (1 dissenting voice) if Japan had not attacked.
Imo much the same MO can be seen in 9/11.

Re the internet and facts - it works both ways. I got this from Wiki but have read the documents some 15 years ago in hard copy - Pearl Harbour illustrates how events may be manipulated -

[..] "Ten days before the attack on Pearl Harbor", Henry L. Stimson, United States Secretary of War at the time "entered in his diary the famous and much-argued statement - that he had met with President Roosevelt to discuss the evidence of impending hostilities with Japan, and the question was 'how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.'"[65] However Stimson, in reviewing his diary after the war, recalled that the commanders at Pearl Harbor had been warned of the possibility of attack, and that the poor state of readiness that the attack had revealed was a surprise to him:
[Yet] General Short had been told the two essential facts: 1) a war with Japan is threatening, 2) hostile action by Japan is possible at any moment. Given these two facts, both of which were stated without equivocation in the message of Nov. 27, the outpost commander should be on the alert .[..]

[..]Roosevelt's administrative assistant at the time of Pearl Harbor, Jonathan Daniels; it is the telling comment about FDR's reaction to the attack - "The blow was heavier than he had hoped it would necessarily be. ... But the risks paid off; even the loss was worth the price. ...unquote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory

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Post by Guest on 24.04.13 13:58

@tigger wrote:I'm getting a bit fed up with the internet and trolls being blamed for 'conspiracy theories' . It is also implied that the internet is the sole source for these theories and misinformation is being fed to the unintelligent users of the internet.

Misinformation is as old as the hills. Manipulation of operators/terrorists/malcontents equally so.

I'm opening with Pearl Harbour: the US public generally do not wish to believe that nearly 2500 died because the US needed an excuse to get into the war. Congress would not have voted for the war (1 dissenting voice) if Japan had not attacked.
Imo much the same MO can be seen in 9/11.

Re the internet and facts - it works both ways. I got this from Wiki but have read the documents some 15 years ago in hard copy - Pearl Harbour illustrates how events may be manipulated -

[..] "Ten days before the attack on Pearl Harbor", Henry L. Stimson, United States Secretary of War at the time "entered in his diary the famous and much-argued statement - that he had met with President Roosevelt to discuss the evidence of impending hostilities with Japan, and the question was 'how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.'"[65] However Stimson, in reviewing his diary after the war, recalled that the commanders at Pearl Harbor had been warned of the possibility of attack, and that the poor state of readiness that the attack had revealed was a surprise to him:
[Yet] General Short had been told the two essential facts: 1) a war with Japan is threatening, 2) hostile action by Japan is possible at any moment. Given these two facts, both of which were stated without equivocation in the message of Nov. 27, the outpost commander should be on the alert .[..]

[..]Roosevelt's administrative assistant at the time of Pearl Harbor, Jonathan Daniels; it is the telling comment about FDR's reaction to the attack - "The blow was heavier than he had hoped it would necessarily be. ... But the risks paid off; even the loss was worth the price. ...unquote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory

All Aircraft carriers were out at sea too

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Post by jd on 24.04.13 14:51

@tigger wrote:I'm getting a bit fed up with the internet and trolls being blamed for 'conspiracy theories' . It is also implied that the internet is the sole source for these theories and misinformation is being fed to the unintelligent users of the internet.

They are worried, they can see many people are waking up to the truth especially after Sandy Hook and Boston. I think this is why we had the high resolution shock gore actor photos within the hour, so to cause maximum emotional impact to their evil lies

The BBC have apparently been blaming the forums a lot recently. I think this is good because it advertises the forums and brings people out of their curiosity to read them, people who never knew these type of forums exist, which has all the evidence and analyses. The internet is just a way of communicating, and we all have our own minds to make our own decisions, not just because it is on the internet. TPTB just don't want people talking and exposing their evil plan and why they are on the attack blaming the internet and 'conspiracy theories'. Why would I believe what the MSM say when they never report or allow any discussion on the fact on every terrorist attack the government/intelligence have been carrying out mock drills of the very same event at the very same time. The terrorists are not constant, some are apaprently islamic, some are home grown, but the one factor that is consistent is the government/intelligence have been having mock drills at the very same time. The MSM never report this, wonder why! This one factor should tell anyone what is really going on.

At least we do not lie and kill people like our government/intelligence do. We only want a peaceful life which is fair and right, and it is them that are the murderers and destroying life on this planet. Nobody wants to have to fight their evil but we have to, let them blame the internet, send their idiotic robot trolls to disrupt forums, it won't stop people exposing the truth


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Post by tigger on 24.04.13 15:04

Portia wrote: All Aircraft carriers were out at sea too. unquote

Yes, they were needed, it may have been luck but very lucky for all of them to be out at the same time. My thinking is that they didn't know where the attack was coming - although Pearl Harbour was the obvious target - and took no chances by having the most needed material out of harms way.

On another tack - I'm just trying to give a few useful examples:

The murder of JFK was a joint effort between the Mafia and the CIA, sponsored partly by the 'money men' and the armaments industry. JFK would probably have won a second term, he had plans for the Federal Reserve and for withdrawing from Vietnam.

Virtually on the day of the assassination the CIA pulled out and the hit was executed by the Mafia alone. The immediate cover up is instructive:
the patsy had to be caught and exhibited, but not live long enough to get to court.

The ensuing cover up is even more instructive. Finally the Warren commission published their report, there are very few people indeed who still believe this is accurate.

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Some historial and proven false flags

Post by tigger on 25.04.13 7:59

Gleiwitz incident
The Gleiwitz incident in 1939 involved Reinhard Heydrich fabricating evidence of a Polish attack against Germany to mobilize German public opinion for war, to establish casus belli, and to justify the war with Poland. This, along with other false flag operations in Operation Himmler, would be used to mobilize support from the German population for the start of World War II in Europe.[citation needed]
The Gleiwitz incident was a staged attack by Nazi forces posing as Poles on 31 August 1939, against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe.

Operation Ajax
The replacement of Iran's Anglo-Persian Oil Company with five American oil companies and the 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the consequence of the U.S. and British-orchestrated false flag operation, Operation Ajax. Operation Ajax used political intrigue, propaganda, and agreements with Qashqai tribal leaders to depose the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding the CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives.[12]

Operation Northwoods
The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as fabricating the hijacking or shooting down of passenger and military planes, sinking a U.S. ship in the vicinity of Cuba, burning crops, sinking a boat filled with Cuban refugees, attacks by alleged Cuban infiltrators inside the United States, and harassment of U.S. aircraft and shipping and the destruction of aerial drones by aircraft disguised as Cuban MiGs.[13] These actions would be blamed on Cuba, and would be a pretext for an invasion of Cuba and the overthrow of Fidel Castro's communist government. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. The surprise discovery of the documents relating to Operation Northwoods was a result of the comprehensive search for records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy by the Assassination Records Review Board in the mid-1990s.[14] Information about Operation Northwoods was later publicized by James Bamford.[15]

The protocols of the Elders of Zion

In 1903, portions of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were serialized in a Russian newspaper, Znamya (The Banner). The version of the Protocols that has endured and has been translated into dozens of languages, however, was first published in Russia in 1905 as an appendix to The Great in the Small: The Coming of the Anti-Christ and the Rule of Satan on Earth, by Russian writer and mystic Sergei Nilus.
 
In 1921, the London Times presented conclusive proof that the Protocols was a "clumsy plagiarism." The Times confirmed that the Protocols had been copied in large part from a French political satire that never mentioned Jews—Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864). Other investigations revealed that one chapter of a Prussian novel, Hermann Goedsche's Biarritz (1868), also "inspired" the Protocols.

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Post by jd on 25.04.13 9:40

San Onofre Edison...
West Coast Radiation Crisis - Part 1


Beached in front of the San Onofre nuclear power plant, the carcass of a California sea lion was remarkable, for being an adult specimen. So far, throughout the six-week crisis for marine mammals along the Southern California coastline, all of the 2,000-plus sea lions, elephant seals and harbor seals suffering severe malnutrition have been pups deprived of breast milk from their emaciated or missing mothers.

.......Now here, lying on the sand, was a dead sea lion whose internal organs lay exposed by a long rip down its left side. The jaws of a thrashing shark were not what finished her off since no teeth marks were visible on the pale brown hide. The strip of skin had been pulled off in a single motion........A quick scan with a dosimeter revealed that the sea lion was radioactive. More careful measurements disclosed a shocking 0.48 microsieverts in the heart and liver region.

.....There are two known sources of radioactive contamination along the West Coast: the North Pacific Current conveying coolant dumped from the melted-down Fukushima TEPCO facility; and the Columbia River containing wastewater from the Hanford nuclear weapons plant in Washington State. Yet, here, the high radioactive levels found in a sea lion point to a third nuclear culprit, the Southern California Edison at San Onofre.

Since there has been no radiation monitoring along the West Coast after the Obama administration’s order to cease data-collecting on fallout from Fukushima in mid-2011, there is only one readily available method for detecting recent radioactive releases:

http://rense.com/general95/sanofre.html

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Post by tigger on 25.04.13 11:06

http://fairewinds.com/content/cant-win-change-rules

Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Can't Win? Change the Rules!
The US and Japan are trying to raise acceptable radiation exposure limits. "If you can't decrease the water level, you elevate the bridge," says pediatrician and author Dr. Helen Caldicott. On today's podcast, Arnie and Helen discuss the associated health risks of various types of radioactive releases, how regulators and the nuclear industry are downplaying those releases, and the current state of the Fukushima clean up. "The recovery of the site will go nowhere as long as Tokyo Electric is in charge," says Arnie Gundersen.

Every single video is worth watching from Fairewinds. Acceptable (safe) levels of radiation were increased by nearly all governments very soon after the earthquake.
Prof. Chris Busby is also worth googling. Radiation affects very young children's hearts catastrofically. All this is passing quite happily under the radar.

One may ask why the increase (imo) of domestic false flag events? Because the US government knows something we don't and is getting ready for it. (the West coast of the US and in particular Canada are the most affected).
Ask yourselves also why Angela Merckel immediately decided to phase out all nuclear power in Germany? She is a chemistry graduate. If you watch the videos here you'll find that the original design of most power stations is deeply flawed.

Gundersen said on day one after Fukushima that it was Chenobbyl on steroids. He may have understated it.

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Post by russiandoll on 25.04.13 12:06

just sent you a PM Tigger

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Post by jd on 27.04.13 23:54

Government Reacts to Fukushima Radiation Crisis By Raising Acceptable Radiation Standards … Instead of Fixing Anything

Just Like the Financial Crisis, the Gulf Oil Spill, and All Other Crises, Government Covers Up Instead of Addressing the Real Problems. 2 weeks after the Fukushima accident, we reported that the government responded to the nuclear accident by trying to raise acceptable radiation levels and pretending that radiation is good for us.

Since then, massive radiation has been released on a daily basis from Fukushima… for years. And there are so many new leaks that even the mainstream press is starting to admit that Fukushima was never fixed.

Radiation from Fukushima is slamming Tokyo, as well as the West Coast of North America.

Fukushima radiation is showing up in fish on the West Coast of the United States. Scientists are starting to sound the alarm as to additional human deaths and health problems on the U.S. West Coast due to Fukushima radiation, and an epidemic of injuries to sealife.

And it’s not just Fukushima …

An investigation by Associated Press found that 75 percent of all U.S. nuclear sites have leaked radioactive tritium. In fact, whistleblowers at the Nuclear Regulator Commission say that the risk of a major meltdown at U.S. nuclear reactors is much higher than it was at Fukushima.

And an accident in the U.S. could be a lot larger than in Japan … partly because our nuclear plants hold a lot more radioactive material. Radiation could cause illness in huge numbers of Americans, and a major nuclear accident could literally bankrupt America.

So what has the American government done to protect us?

It has pressured the Japanese government to re-start its nuclear program, and is allowing Fukushima seafood to be sold in the U.S. And U.S. nuclear regulators actually weakened safety standards for U.S. nuclear reactors after the Fukushima disaster.

And as we noted 6 months after Fukushima melted down: American and Canadian authorities have virtually stopped monitoring airborne radiation, and are not testing fish for radiation. (Indeed, the EPA reacted to Fukushima by raising “acceptable” radiation levels.)

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The failure of the American, Canadian and other governments to test for and share results is making it difficult to hold an open scientific debate about what is happening


And it’s happening again …

Forbes reported last week:

The acting EPA director on Friday signed a revised version of the EPA’s Protective Action Guide for radiological incidents, which critics say radically relaxes the safety guidelines agencies follow in the wake of a nuclear-reactor meltdown, dirty-bomb attack, or other unexpected release of radiation.

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According to Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) [a government whistleblower support group], that means agencies responding to radiation emergencies may permit many more civilian fatalities.

“In soil, the PAGs allow long-term public exposure to radiation in amounts as high as 2,000 millirems,” PEER advocacy director Kirsten Stade said in a press release. “This would, in effect, increase a longstanding 1 in 10,000 person cancer rate to a rate of 1 in 23 persons exposed over a 30-year period.”

As we noted right after Fukushima happened, this is standard operating procedure for government these days:

When the economy imploded in 2008, how did the government respond?

Did it crack down on fraud? Force bankrupt companies to admit that their speculative gambling with our money had failed? Rein in the funny business?

Of course not!

The government just helped cover up how bad things were, used claims of national security to keep everything in the dark, and changed basic rules and definitions to allow the game to continue. See this, this, this and this.

When BP – through criminal negligence – blew out the Deepwater Horizon oil well, the government helped cover it up (the cover up is ongoing).

The government also changed the testing standards for seafood to pretend that higher levels of toxic PAHs in our food was business-as-usual.

So now that Japan is suffering the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl – if not of all time – is the government riding to the rescue to help fix the problem, or at least to provide accurate information to its citizens so they can make informed decisions?

Of course not!

The EPA is closing ranks with the nuclear power industry ….

Indeed, some government scientists and media shills are now “reexamining” old studies that show that radioactive substances like plutonium cause cancer to argue that they help prevent cancer.

It is not just bubbleheads like Ann Coulter saying this. Government scientists from the Pacific Northwest National Laboratories and pro-nuclear hacks like Lawrence Solomon are saying this. [Update.]

In other words, this is a concerted propaganda campaign to cover up the severity of a major nuclear accident by raising acceptable levels of radiation and saying that a little radiation is good for us.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/government-reacts-to-fukushima-radiation-crisis-by-raising-acceptable-radiation-standards-instead-of-fixing-anything.html

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Post by jd on 27.04.13 23:56

@tigger wrote:
Ask yourselves also why Angela Merckel immediately decided to phase out all nuclear power in Germany?

I have been asking myself this very question since I found out the Germans had phased out all their nuclear power. There is only one logical answer

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Post by bobbin on 28.04.13 8:09

@jd wrote:
@tigger wrote:
Ask yourselves also why Angela Merckel immediately decided to phase out all nuclear power in Germany?

I have been asking myself this very question since I found out the Germans had phased out all their nuclear power. There is only one logical answer
Yes, but Germany is not an island.
France next door has a very high dependency on nuclear power (right on Germany's border too) and Chernobyl obliged by spreading its damage via the upper atmosphere to drop indiscriminately on lands beneath which do not recognise man's definition of political boundaries.
No, Angela had better get her 'jill' boots on and start bossing everyone about, (and she's a dab hand at that) to 'conform' to her rules, if saving Germany from nuclear incident or fallout is her illustrious aim.

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