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Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

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Post by T4two on 19.04.13 14:07

[quote="russiandoll"]
@plebgate wrote:Snipped from Aiyoyo's post:

"
Earlier this week Kate
spoke movingly of the continuing agony of “living with this void”
without Madeleine, whose 10th birthday is on May 12.

Despite the agony, she was willing to forgive the snatcher and forget Maddie's plight. "

and don't forget she is now able to smile for the first time in six years!!! Say WHAT. I really cannot believe what I read at times.[/quote

Not quite the same as the agony depicted on p129 of her book. She wrote that....and can forgive?
Let me get this straight, a man who has harmed Maddie in a brutal way [ " whatever the circumstances" your words Kate...] can be forgiven.
A man who has harmed only the search for her, has not harmed a hair on her head........he can't be forgiven?

You have one bizarre moral compass Kate.

... and at first glance I thought the 'void' she was referring to was GM.

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Re: Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

Post by tigger on 19.04.13 15:18

[quote="T4two"]
@russiandoll wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Snipped from Aiyoyo's post:

"
Earlier this week Kate
spoke movingly of the continuing agony of “living with this void”
without Madeleine, whose 10th birthday is on May 12.

Despite the agony, she was willing to forgive the snatcher and forget Maddie's plight. "

and don't forget she is now able to smile for the first time in six years!!! Say WHAT. I really cannot believe what I read at times.[/quote

Not quite the same as the agony depicted on p129 of her book. She wrote that....and can forgive?
Let me get this straight, a man who has harmed Maddie in a brutal way [ " whatever the circumstances" your words Kate...] can be forgiven.
A man who has harmed only the search for her, has not harmed a hair on her head........he can't be forgiven?

You have one bizarre moral compass Kate.


... and at first glance I thought the 'void' she was referring to was GM.

She didn't say that did she? 'forget Maddie's plight.????' Tell me it isn't true! Please.. pray2



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Re: Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

Post by aiyoyo on 19.04.13 15:53

[quote="T4two"]
@russiandoll wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Snipped from Aiyoyo's post:

"
Earlier this week Kate
spoke movingly of the continuing agony of “living with this void”
without Madeleine, whose 10th birthday is on May 12.

Despite the agony, she was willing to forgive the snatcher and forget Maddie's plight. "

and don't forget she is now able to smile for the first time in six years!!! Say WHAT. I really cannot believe what I read at times.[/quote

Not quite the same as the agony depicted on p129 of her book. She wrote that....and can forgive?
Let me get this straight, a man who has harmed Maddie in a brutal way [ " whatever the circumstances" your words Kate...] can be forgiven.
A man who has harmed only the search for her, has not harmed a hair on her head........he can't be forgiven?

You have one bizarre moral compass Kate.

... and at first glance I thought the 'void' she was referring to was GM.

Must be, hence the agony, as it must be agony to live with an arrogant twat. That said, kate is no better.
If Gerry is a void to her; what is she to Gerry - a waste of space perhaps!
They deserve each other. They are a match made in hell.




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Re: Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

Post by aiyoyo on 19.04.13 16:33

[quote="tigger"]
@T4two wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Snipped from Aiyoyo's post:

"
Earlier this week Kate
spoke movingly of the continuing agony of “living with this void”
without Madeleine, whose 10th birthday is on May 12.

Despite the agony, she was willing to forgive the snatcher and forget Maddie's plight. "

and don't forget she is now able to smile for the first time in six years!!! Say WHAT. I really cannot believe what I read at times.[/quote

Not quite the same as the agony depicted on p129 of her book. She wrote that....and can forgive?
Let me get this straight, a man who has harmed Maddie in a brutal way [ " whatever the circumstances" your words Kate...] can be forgiven.
A man who has harmed only the search for her, has not harmed a hair on her head........he can't be forgiven?

You have one bizarre moral compass Kate.


... and at first glance I thought the 'void' she was referring to was GM.

She didn't say that did she? 'forget Maddie's plight.????' Tell me it isn't true! Please.. pray2



Come on Tigger, if saint kate isn't prepared to forget Maddie's plight, how come she can forgive the man who snatched her for no other reason than to satisfy his sexual gratification, therefore logic dictates Forgive & Forget goes hand in hand in this instance. When kate forgives Maddie's snatcher she's prepared to forget Maddie's plight.

That's why it is such a thoughtless, insensitive, and disrespectful to Maddie thing to say she prays for Maddie's snatcher and forgives him. It does not make sense no matter how one tries to rationalise it. When your child is still missing, and you live in a void not knowing the fate she is suffering, there is no way in a zillion years you are going to forgive her perp; not UNLESS you already knew she's dead, and you are thus forgiving a non-existence abductor.

There is no way to reconcile Kate's indifference to Maddie's plight (frigid to Maddie) and her forgiveness of Maddie's snatcher (warmness to the abductor). Unless, Kate suffers from a delusional disorder largely ( I suspect) caused by abuse of substance; that, or she's suffering from a manic state of bipolar disorder, then that might explain her bizzare behavior.




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Re: Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

Post by ShuBob on 19.04.13 16:43

If Kate harms those twins in any way- be it physically or mentally- the likes of Lorraine Kelly will have to bear some responsibility for not heeding the alarming warning signs.

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going back to the newspaper headline at the beginning of the thread....

Post by worriedmum on 19.04.13 16:57

is is only me, or does it read as if the twins have been threatened by trolls?
I have never read anything where someone threatens these children. Why would Kate think anyone would want to harm them? Have I misunderstood?

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Re: Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

Post by aiyoyo on 19.04.13 17:04

@worriedmum wrote:is is only me, or does it read as if the twins have been threatened by trolls?
I have never read anything where someone threatens these children. Why would Kate think anyone would want to harm them? Have I misunderstood?

The threat to the twins is something in kate's head, something she imagines .............
That mcstick woman is sick and desperately needs medical attention. She should be in an asylum for the safety of the twins.

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Re: Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

Post by tigger on 19.04.13 17:37

[quote="aiyoyo"]
@tigger wrote:
@T4two wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Snipped from Aiyoyo's post:

"
Earlier this week Kate
spoke movingly of the continuing agony of “living with this void”
without Madeleine, whose 10th birthday is on May 12.

Despite the agony, she was willing to forgive the snatcher and forget Maddie's plight. "

and don't forget she is now able to smile for the first time in six years!!! Say WHAT. I really cannot believe what I read at times.[/quote

Not quite the same as the agony depicted on p129 of her book. She wrote that....and can forgive?
Let me get this straight, a man who has harmed Maddie in a brutal way [ " whatever the circumstances" your words Kate...] can be forgiven.
A man who has harmed only the search for her, has not harmed a hair on her head........he can't be forgiven?

You have one bizarre moral compass Kate.


... and at first glance I thought the 'void' she was referring to was GM.

She didn't say that did she? 'forget Maddie's plight.????' Tell me it isn't true! Please.. pray2



Come on Tigger, if saint kate isn't prepared to forget Maddie's plight, how come she can forgive the man who snatched her for no other reason than to satisfy his sexual gratification, therefore logic dictates Forgive & Forget goes hand in hand in this instance. When kate forgives Maddie's snatcher she's prepared to forget Maddie's plight.

That's why it is such a thoughtless, insensitive, and disrespectful to Maddie thing to say she prays for Maddie's snatcher and forgives him. It does not make sense no matter how one tries to rationalise it. When your child is still missing, and you live in a void not knowing the fate she is suffering, there is no way in a zillion years you are going to forgive her perp; not UNLESS you already knew she's dead, and you are thus forgiving a non-existence abductor.

There is no way to reconcile Kate's indifference to Maddie's plight (frigid to Maddie) and her forgiveness of Maddie's snatcher (warmness to the abductor). Unless, Kate suffers from a delusional disorder largely ( I suspect) caused by abuse of substance; that, or she's suffering from a manic state of bipolar disorder, then that might explain her bizzare behavior.

I just thought I'd missed it, of course it's implied. Then there is Maddie 'with her fear of pain' which is changed in the book to 'fear and pain' - too late. So forgive the vile paedo, he can't help himself? Maddie - imprisoned like Kampush as was said to be possible by you and Gerry - with her fear of pain and her little body abused? Forgive? I'd kill the guy - if that were my child I really would. I know that 100% sure. I'm pretty sure I'd get help too.



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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 19.04.13 17:52

When I see Kate talk about internet trolling and the effect it will have on the twins it evokes two emotions.

The first is total agreement, because whatever feelings the McCann case generates in the minds of the observer, I think we are all united in NOT wishing any additional stress to these two poor children, who lets face it, have lived the last six years in the shadow of their sisters disappearance. It must be quite hard on young children growing up feeling that some evil man has stolen their sister, they must be pretty fearful of the world. Whatever the public think of the parents, no child deserves this as a backdrop to their childhood, I doubt anyone would disagree with this sentiment.

The second emotion that it evokes for me if sheer frustration. The reason this case is pored over and discussed ad nauseum all these years later is the simple fact that certain key points don't add up from what is available in the public domain - the witness statements, cadaver dogs, lack of evidence of an abduction and all the numerous things which we all know and which don't need to be listed here.
The McCanns need to acknowledge the information that is out there for public consumption and also acknowledge that had the matters been thoroughly and credibly explained all those years ago, there would not be the level of discussion today. It is obvious that they or those associated with them trawl the net in order to find the so-called trolls in the first place. Why do this? If you don't like what you are finding, don't make the conscious choice to seek it out and read it. Simple. It is very obvious that the questions being asked will continue to be asked and discussed until the matter is adequately settled. Simply brushing off the inconsistencies and the video of the Cadavar dogs as absurd is simply not good enough. One cannot simply sweep these things away because they are inconvenient, they are there in police files and form a significant part of the investigation. The vitriol levelled at the McCanns is a direct result of a stubborn refusal to air these matters. They are there, they exist, they fill thousands of pages. Apart from Jane Tanners really rather dubious and unreliable statements (the variants of her "sighting" are there as public record, from her own mouth), the evidence for the abductor is pitiful thin on the ground, if any exists at all.

So I would urge the McCanns, if you REALLY want to protect the twins from emotional harm resulting from internet content, then it really is time to acknowledge publicly, that the material available in the PJ files, their own interviews and the many recent successes of cadaver dogs in securing murder convictions, (Pilley, Prout et al) DOES leave plenty of scope for speculation and discussion, that there ARE serious inconsistencies across the board. Like it or not, I am afraid the internet discussion WILL continue until these issues are adequately settled. People are still discussing cases from over a hundred years ago. While there are loose ends, there will be theory and discussion.

Simply using broad brushstrokes to condemn those who doubt or are frustrated by the McCanns lack of public acknowledgement of the inconsistencies is a sure fire way to ensure that the internet discussion continues indefinitely. If they truly want it to stop, to protect their children, then they really must start to take a more intelligent approach and answer the unanswered questions thoroughly and truthfully. Stopping the "trolling" is in their own hands, if they can take a more intelligent approach.


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Re: Kate McCann London Marathon interview and abuse on internet on Daybreak 17/4/13

Post by aiyoyo on 19.04.13 18:44

[quote="tigger"]
@aiyoyo wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@T4two wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Snipped from Aiyoyo's post:

"
Earlier this week Kate
spoke movingly of the continuing agony of “living with this void”
without Madeleine, whose 10th birthday is on May 12.

Despite the agony, she was willing to forgive the snatcher and forget Maddie's plight. "

and don't forget she is now able to smile for the first time in six years!!! Say WHAT. I really cannot believe what I read at times.[/quote

Not quite the same as the agony depicted on p129 of her book. She wrote that....and can forgive?
Let me get this straight, a man who has harmed Maddie in a brutal way [ " whatever the circumstances" your words Kate...] can be forgiven.
A man who has harmed only the search for her, has not harmed a hair on her head........he can't be forgiven?

You have one bizarre moral compass Kate.


... and at first glance I thought the 'void' she was referring to was GM.

She didn't say that did she? 'forget Maddie's plight.????' Tell me it isn't true! Please.. pray2



Come on Tigger, if saint kate isn't prepared to forget Maddie's plight, how come she can forgive the man who snatched her for no other reason than to satisfy his sexual gratification, therefore logic dictates Forgive & Forget goes hand in hand in this instance. When kate forgives Maddie's snatcher she's prepared to forget Maddie's plight.

That's why it is such a thoughtless, insensitive, and disrespectful to Maddie thing to say she prays for Maddie's snatcher and forgives him. It does not make sense no matter how one tries to rationalise it. When your child is still missing, and you live in a void not knowing the fate she is suffering, there is no way in a zillion years you are going to forgive her perp; not UNLESS you already knew she's dead, and you are thus forgiving a non-existence abductor.

There is no way to reconcile Kate's indifference to Maddie's plight (frigid to Maddie) and her forgiveness of Maddie's snatcher (warmness to the abductor). Unless, Kate suffers from a delusional disorder largely ( I suspect) caused by abuse of substance; that, or she's suffering from a manic state of bipolar disorder, then that might explain her bizzare behavior.

I just thought I'd missed it, of course it's implied. Then there is Maddie 'with her fear of pain' which is changed in the book to 'fear and pain' - too late. So forgive the vile paedo, he can't help himself? Maddie - imprisoned like Kampush as was said to be possible by you and Gerry - with her fear of pain and her little body abused? Forgive? I'd kill the guy - if that were my child I really would. I know that 100% sure. I'm pretty sure I'd get help too.


If that were my child, I'd kill the guy, pluck out his eyes, and cut off his balls, then fed them to pigs.
Forgive the vile sicko? No way hosey, not even after I've killed him.

What kate said is not normal, not in the circumstances. She is mentally ill and needs help.

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Post by aquila on 19.04.13 19:20

Has anyone seen any interviews on daytime telly from other people running in the London Marathon? There are many people running in the Marathon. A lot of them are raising funds for charities. Some of them even do it in wheelchairs. Some of them do it whilst recovering from personal tragedies, extreme hardship and serious ill health. Kate has a sore foot and gives media interviews.

It never ceases to amaze me that nothing 'normal' applies to the McCanns.

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Excelent

Post by Peneda Geres on 19.04.13 20:04

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:When I see Kate talk about internet trolling and the effect it will have on the twins it evokes two emotions.

The first is total agreement, because whatever feelings the McCann case generates in the minds of the observer, I think we are all united in NOT wishing any additional stress to these two poor children, who lets face it, have lived the last six years in the shadow of their sisters disappearance. It must be quite hard on young children growing up feeling that some evil man has stolen their sister, they must be pretty fearful of the world. Whatever the public think of the parents, no child deserves this as a backdrop to their childhood, I doubt anyone would disagree with this sentiment.

The second emotion that it evokes for me if sheer frustration. The reason this case is pored over and discussed ad nauseum all these years later is the simple fact that certain key points don't add up from what is available in the public domain - the witness statements, cadaver dogs, lack of evidence of an abduction and all the numerous things which we all know and which don't need to be listed here.
The McCanns need to acknowledge the information that is out there for public consumption and also acknowledge that had the matters been thoroughly and credibly explained all those years ago, there would not be the level of discussion today. It is obvious that they or those associated with them trawl the net in order to find the so-called trolls in the first place. Why do this? If you don't like what you are finding, don't make the conscious choice to seek it out and read it. Simple. It is very obvious that the questions being asked will continue to be asked and discussed until the matter is adequately settled. Simply brushing off the inconsistencies and the video of the Cadavar dogs as absurd is simply not good enough. One cannot simply sweep these things away because they are inconvenient, they are there in police files and form a significant part of the investigation. The vitriol levelled at the McCanns is a direct result of a stubborn refusal to air these matters. They are there, they exist, they fill thousands of pages. Apart from Jane Tanners really rather dubious and unreliable statements (the variants of her "sighting" are there as public record, from her own mouth), the evidence for the abductor is pitiful thin on the ground, if any exists at all.

So I would urge the McCanns, if you REALLY want to protect the twins from emotional harm resulting from internet content, then it really is time to acknowledge publicly, that the material available in the PJ files, their own interviews and the many recent successes of cadaver dogs in securing murder convictions, (Pilley, Prout et al) DOES leave plenty of scope for speculation and discussion, that there ARE serious inconsistencies across the board. Like it or not, I am afraid the internet discussion WILL continue until these issues are adequately settled. People are still discussing cases from over a hundred years ago. While there are loose ends, there will be theory and discussion.

Simply using broad brushstrokes to condemn those who doubt or are frustrated by the McCanns lack of public acknowledgement of the inconsistencies is a sure fire way to ensure that the internet discussion continues indefinitely. If they truly want it to stop, to protect their children, then they really must start to take a more intelligent approach and answer the unanswered questions thoroughly and truthfully. Stopping the "trolling" is in their own hands, if they can take a more intelligent approach.

This is one of the best posts I have read on this or any other forum.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 19.04.13 20:15

Thank you for your kind comment roses

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Post by ShuBob on 19.04.13 20:27

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thank you for your kind comment

That was indeed a good post Smokeandmirrors

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Post by worriedmum on 19.04.13 20:51

Well said, Smoke and Mirrors.

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Post by Guest on 19.04.13 21:16

Excellent post on/by smoke and mirrors!!!!

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Post by PeterMac on 19.04.13 21:59


Probably libellous ! ! ! !

Good, True, Accurate, incisive, perspicacious, and all the rest,
but someone, somewhere, is lurking.

Aren't you Kevin !!

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Post by Guest on 19.04.13 22:07

BTW I really do wonder whether Kate will run the London Marathon, from start to finish [maybe only start and finish? OK, OK, I'm kicking myself ...]. The most obvious reasons for not doing that are of her own making, as there are: an insubordinate Achille tendon of the type, which doesn't heal within 15 minutes, a nasty left foot joint, death threat[s] on internet, twins of course, and [not of their making IMO] bombings at a Marathon in Boston. I am looking forward to Sunday/Monday newspapers of this, as well as their ironing of the "I forgive" statements by paper/tabloids other than Desmond's ...
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Post by whmon on 19.04.13 22:40

Had to come and say what a fantastic post by Smokeandmirrors.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 19.04.13 22:50

Thank you all for your humbling comments (feel a bit bashful) roses

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Post by Juulcy on 19.04.13 22:58

Very good post, smoke and mirrors!

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Post by maebee on 19.04.13 23:59

Châtelaine wrote:BTW I really do wonder whether Kate will run the London Marathon, from start to finish [maybe only start and finish? OK, OK, I'm kicking myself ...]. The most obvious reasons for not doing that are of her own making, as there are: an insubordinate Achille tendon of the type, which doesn't heal within 15 minutes, a nasty left foot joint, death threat[s] on internet, twins of course, and [not of their making IMO] bombings at a Marathon in Boston. I am looking forward to Sunday/Monday newspapers of this, as well as their ironing of the "I forgive" statements by paper/tabloids other than Desmond's ...
Bonne nuit

It smacks of "getting your excuses in first". It's astonishing how the journalists interviewing this woman don't ask her why she is so much more interested in running, rather than searching.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.04.13 0:42

Châtelaine wrote:BTW I really do wonder whether Kate will run the London Marathon, from start to finish [maybe only start and finish? OK, OK, I'm kicking myself ...]. The most obvious reasons for not doing that are of her own making, as there are: an insubordinate Achille tendon of the type, which doesn't heal within 15 minutes, a nasty left foot joint, death threat[s] on internet, twins of course, and [not of their making IMO] bombings at a Marathon in Boston. I am looking forward to Sunday/Monday newspapers of this, as well as their ironing of the "I forgive" statements by paper/tabloids other than Desmond's ...
Bonne nuit

Run 2 McMetres at the start, photo opportunity, then 'TAXI for Kate', run 3 McMetres across finish line, more photos
Balloon release with BHH to put money into his friends private fund
See ya all next year at the Madeleine London McMarathon!
Donations to be sent please, in plain envelopes, to Rothley Towers, they'll get there.
THE END.
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Post by Guest on 20.04.13 8:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6O1Tqi3gCc



Thanks to HiDeHo for this video about the bonkersness (is that a word?) of the "gun threat". Smashing song used from one of my favourite singers.



I really would like to see SmokeandMirrors' comment distributed to all so-called journalists in the hope that it would enable them to see the other side of the story. No chance obviously with the likes of Antonella and Lorraine but there must be some hope for those with a little more intelligence.

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Post by Nina on 20.04.13 9:25

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thank you all for your humbling comments (feel a bit bashful) roses

You shouldn't, it's brilliant clapping

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