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Boston Marathon ***UPDATE*** One suspect killed by police and another is armed and on the run (was: London looking into safety for theirs...)

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Post by plebgate on 16.04.13 8:55

Very sad news indeed.

Apparently there were SEVEN devices planted but only two went off at the event.

One of the dead an 8 year old and a number of people with their limbs blown off.

one suspect under arrest but still looking for another.

Hope all goes well at the London Marathon.

What is the point of it all?

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Post by Guest on 16.04.13 9:34

Shocking news indeed. Let's hope for once that there is no doubt as to who is responsible.

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Post by tigger on 16.04.13 11:04

Châtelaine wrote:Two explosions at the finish of the Boston Marathon. So far two dead and 20+ injured.
London is reportedly looking into the safety of theirs.

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/15/explosions-rock-boston-marathon-finish-line-dozens-injured/yLhfDT1XC3HXSa8wPiVijL/story.html

After all the hullabaloo about Mrs. T's funeral (which will include top level conferences behind the scenes) I'm wondering how much the organisation and security of this marathon will cost. Imo it will be close to the funeral cost.

Re the funeral costs, as Blair admired Mrs. T so much, it would be a nice gesture if he contributed, having made millions out of property deals.
On top of that - has everyone forgotten that dicy deal on flats in Bristol? The man who disappeared to Australia who was their fixer?

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Post by aiyoyo on 16.04.13 11:13

Hope the Americans are not going to blame the bombing on North Korea.

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Post by Guest on 18.04.13 20:57

On 17 March 2013, less than a month before the Boston marathon bombings, an episode of the U.S. cartoon show 'Family Guy' showed:

A. Pictures of the Boston marathon line finish and a crowd scene very much like what we saw on our TVs two nights ago
AND
B. A separate scene showing the marathon winner setting of TWO bombs by uising a cell phone device.

Check out these two YouTube vids to see if this was just an unlucky coincidence:

]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WQeqE943Uo

]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjYhnjUaxXM

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Post by tigger on 19.04.13 5:55

So, how much is the security for the marathon going to cost? Will that cost be balanced out by the money raised for various charities? I'm only asking because of the outcry over the cost of Margaret Thatcher's funeral. Purely in terms of the spending of public money raised by taxes.

I have more time for people such as Eddie Izzard and Ian Botham who walk/jog for charity through Britain without the need for any extra public expense on security.

The human body wasn't designed for jogging but for sprinting and walking, I tried it and found it monumentally boring, give me tennis any day.

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Post by Guest on 19.04.13 12:22

BOTH SUSPECTS FROM (OR NEAR) CHECHNYA.

ONE OF THEM KILLED A POLICE OFFICER LAST NIGHT IN MASSACHUSETTS AND WAS THEN KILLED HIMSELF.

THE OTHER ONE STILL ALIVE AND ON THE RUN, ARMED WITH BOMBS AND GUNS:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212946

http://www.bbc.com/news/

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Post by russiandoll on 19.04.13 12:49

Silence on the man who was arrested and photographed naked except for handcuffs, before dawn. He was put into a police car. A little later, he seemingly was dressed, stood against a wall and photographed, then led away by a man in a suit.
If number 2 is on the run and number 1 was fatally wounded along with the police officer after the car jacking incident, who is naked arrested man? Because he was upright and mobile and looked fine to me, he could not have been the man who later died in hospital according to how his injuries were reported.
Woman now arrested taken from a house surrounded by armed police.

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Post by PeterMac on 19.04.13 13:13

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311461/Boston-Marathon-bombings-How-Internet-sleuths-crucial-marathon-picture-first.html
"How Internet sleuths found crucial marathon picture first

Hours after the FBI released photos of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, a number of theories about the suspects and photos claiming to depict them began popping up online, and now one photo in particular has proven legitimate."

The second suspect is no doubt now going to give C-R a ring and describe the internet sleuths as vile trolls.

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Post by Guest on 19.04.13 13:42

Just putting this extraordinary timeline here for the record:

++++++++++++++++++++++++





  • 1036:




The
information from the hospital strongly indicates that the man who died at Beth
Israel overnight was the Boston bomb suspect who police say has now been
killed.






  • 1029:




"All
we know is he arrived in [cardiac] arrest here - we don't know what happened at
the scene," Dr Richard Wolfe tells the conference.






  • 1028:




Doctors
say they cannot comment on whether the patient was one of the suspects. They
say they "do not have any information about the deceased person".






  • 1027:




Medics:
Hospital was notified at 01:10 local time that a patient was coming in with
multiple injuries. He arrived at 01:20 - at that point he was in a
"traumatic arrest" undergoing CPR. At 1:35 he was pronounced dead.






  • 1022:




Officials
at Beth Israel Hospital in Boston are now giving a news conference, detailing
their role in the night's events.






  • 1020:




One
Watertown resident, Kristian Tunzig, tells BBC News he heard successive
gunshots close to his house earlier and then saw a black Mercedes sedan crash
in front of the house. There was a 10 to 15 minute gunbattle and several
explosion - before a huge explosion. He says he hid in a closet and came out
later to discover a bullet lodged in his bed.






  • 1011:




It
is probably worth noting that the area police are now searching is centred
around Laurel Street and Dexter Avenue, in Watertown.






  • 1006:












  1. As police warn of potentially dangerous packages,
    Twitter user @jraske
    is posting images of a police bomb disposal robot closing on a car in
    Watertown.


  2. 1005:




Police
are now warning people in the area to be aware of potentially explosive
packages by the road, CNN reports.






  • 1004:




Police
are now searching house-to-house for the second suspect. Massachusetts
State Police say via Twitter:
"Police will be going door by
door, street by street, in and around Watertown. Police will be clearly
identified. It is a fluid situation."






  • 0957:












  1. Here is the latest picture released by Boston police of
    the second suspect - the focus of the current manhunt.


  2. Stephen Kowalik




tweets:
Boston is going crazy right now. After attempted bombing at MIT police have
been chasing bombers since 1. Live police radio is scary.













Mark Mardell North America editor









Tweets from
Watertown
: Just spoken to one guy who says he saw suspect on the
ground surrounded by about 8 police. http://t.co/p247uoyxYH






  • 0943:




Police
say this is an ongoing investigation and reiterate that it is a very dangerous
situation and a threat to people's lives.






  • 0940:










The
FBI released photos of two suspects from Monday's Boston Marathon bombings -
one was the "man with the white cap", who police say is still at
large after being involved in the latest shootout.






  • Edward Davis Boston Police Commissioner




tweets:
One suspect dead. One at large. Armed and dangerous. White hat suspect at
large.






  • 0931:




Full statement
from Massachusetts police
on the dramatic night-time events.






  • 0931:




More
from Massachusetts state police: One suspect was critically injured during the
pursuit and taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead.






  • 0930:




Police
say there was an shootout between Watertown Police and two suspects in an SUV,
and several explosive devices were thrown from the car at officers.






  • 0928:




Police
said they are actively searching for the white-capped individual suspected of
involvement in the bombing of the Boston Marathon. They said footage from a
local 7-Eleven in Cambridge last night showed him dressed in a grey sweatshirt.
He has brown curly hair.






  • 0923:




Police
reiterate that the suspect is armed and dangerous: "We believe this to be
a terrorist, a man who has come here to kill people."






  • Breaking News




Police
in Massachusetts hunting man they say is second Boston bombing suspect.






  • 0920:




Police
are now holding a news conference detailing what happened overnight: "We
understand one suspect was able to flee from the police. One police officer was
struck and is now at hospital," the police said.






  • 0917:




State
police are warning residents in the area to stay inside and be careful - using Twitter to

advise
that people should "not answer door, stay away from
windows, keep doors locked".






  • 0913:




Later,
after witnesses reported hearing explosions and gunfire in Watertown, local TV
footage showed a man on the ground surrounded by police - before being led
away, apparently naked.






  • 0912:




Cambridge
police said the officer was responding to a report of a disturbance in the area
of the MIT campus at around 22:30 (02:30 GMT) when he was shot and suffered
"multiple wounds". He was taken to hospital where he was pronounced
dead.






  • 0910:




A
situation has been developing rapidly in the middle of the night near Boston,
with a massive police presence growing over the last few hours in Watertown. It
comes after an incident at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in
nearby Cambridge, where a police officer was shot several times and killed.






  • 0907:




Welcome
to our coverage of the major police operation under way on the outskirts of
Boston in the US.

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Post by Guest on 19.04.13 13:46

More:






  • 1325:




The
suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a
Massachusetts driver's license, officials told NBC News.
The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia, NBC
added.






  • 1317:




The
two brothers are thought to be ethnic Chechens, but are not said to have lived
in the area in recent years.






  • 1314:




Information
is beginning to emerge about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining suspect in the
Boston marathon bombings. He and his brother are said to be from an area of
Russia close to war-torn Chechnya - but have lived in the US for at least a
year.






  • 1304:




And
with that, the press conference is over - with no public confirmation of the
identity of the bombers.






  • 1303:




Police
colonel says the situation in Boston "may take hours" to resolve, but
they are getting closer.






  • 1302:




Boston
Police Commissioner Ed Davis says they are "examining all databases,
examining all possible leads".






  • 1300:




Gov
Patrick says there is a "massive manhunt underway".






  • 1300:




Deval
Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts: suspect one is dead and suspect two is on
the run.






  • 1256:




Police
are still hunting Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, aged 19, from the Cambridge area of
Boston.






  • 1255: Breaking News




Surviving
Boston bombing suspect named by US officials as Dzokhar Tsarnaev.






  • 1254:




Reuters
news agency now joins several other US media outlets in reporting that the two
Boston suspects are Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
Reuters cites a national security official. We still await official
confirmation.






  • 1249:




We
are waiting to hear from Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts - it's possible
that he could confirm the identities of the two Boston bombing suspects.






  • ABC News




tweets:
#Breaking: Major police activity reported near home of suspect #2 in Cambridge,
Mass., police advice to stay clear






  • Johnathan Law




emails:
I just drove down the Massachusetts Pike to Boston and saw a plethora of school
buses, filled with Swat teams, heading in the other direction to Watertown.






  • Anne Griffiths




emailed:
Just spoken to my daughter who lives in Watertown. Police doing door-to-door,
nobody allowed out, tubes shut down and roads closed. She says it was three
blocks away, I think she means the carjacking. Really scary.






  • 1238:




One
Boston family told the BBC how they received a "reverse-911" call
telling them not to leave their homes. The call went on to say that if any
stranger comes to their door, to be on guard and call 911 if appropriate. The
family's first reaction was of "terror" and they promptly got
dressed, ensured all of their doors were locked, and closed blinds and shades.
"It's like a ghost town outside," they said.






  • 1231:






























  1. Another image from Watertown: police are
    advising residents to take shelter
    amid ongoing
    investigations in Watertown and the surrounding areas.


  2. 1218:




An
area of 20 blocks has been cordoned off around Watertown, while tactical teams
search every house. Other suburbs and public transport has been locked down as
police continue the manhunt.






  • 1218:




Issuing
strong warnings to the public to take precautions and stay off the streets,
Boston police confirmed one suspect was captured and died in hospital.






  • 1217:




Two
suspects who had stolen a four-wheel drive vehicle threw bombs and traded
gunfire with police chasing them, and another officer was wounded in the
exchange.






  • 1215:




Police
began the manhunt on Thursday night after an officer was shot dead at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge.






  • 1215:




Just
to recap what is happening. US police have been hunting a suspect wanted for
Monday's deadly Boston Marathon bombing, after another suspect was killed in a
car chase and shootout overnight.








  • Student Taylor Dobbs




tweets:
Roommate emerges from slumber, staring at phone: "Dude, did you hear what
happened?"






  • 1211:




The
Boston Police Department is preparing
to carry out a controlled explosion.






  • Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic,




tweets:
If these two are actually foreign-trained terrorists, then this is the event
we've been fearing; small-scale attacks on the softest targets.






  • Ryan Evans




tweets:
A reminder: terrorism is about small numbers of people seeking to cause a large
amount of havoc. We're seeing that right now.






  • 1204:




There
is now a lot of speculation over the identity of the Boston marathon bomb
suspects - the second of whom police are hunting in and around Watertown. We
will let you know as soon as we get any confirmation of their identities.






  • Stephen R. Aldous




tweets:
@Boston_Police Stay safe officers, we appreciate all your hard work.






  • 1154:




US
network NBC News is now reporting that the two suspects are brothers - and has
released their names, which have not yet been confirmed by police.






  • 1148:




News
agency Associated Press is reporting that the Boston bomb suspects are from a
Russian region near Chechnya, and have lived in the US for at least one year.
That information is as yet unconfirmed.






  • 1146:










Pictures
of heavily armed Swat teams continue to come in as police carry out a
methodical search of homes in Watertown.






  • makeitnatty




tweets:
I woke to police sirens. Know what else? Friends & family checking if I was
safe. I have faith in my city. We are resilient.






  • 1141:




On
the BBC World Service, we are live with the latest on the hunt for the Boston
marathon bomb suspects. Tune into World
Have Your Say here






  • 1140:




Footage
from Watertown shows Swat teams surrounding houses - but it appears to be part
of the general house-to-house search of the area.






  • 1130:




Right
now we are seeing pictures of a lot of police activity. Radio Boston reporter
Curt Nickisch tells BBC News police vehicles are heading out to one part of
Boston after a taxi carrying three men was reportedly stopped outside the
20-block search area.






  1. Eyewitness Andrew Kitzenberg - who earlier tweeted
    images of bullet damage in his home - has posted
    a picture
    of what he says are Swat teams heading into a
    nearby house.


  2. Boston Police Department




tweets:
#CommunityAlert: Search for armed suspect continues in Watertown. Residents
reminded to remain indoors. All vehicle traffic suspended.













Mark Mardell North America editor



tweets
from Watertown: Suddenly lots of activity - police van speeds out sirens
wailing - other cars heading in






  • 121:




It
is reported that 10 Boston victims have had limbs amputated. Bombs made from
pressure cookers were said to have been packed with nails and ball bearings.






  • 1118:




It
may be time to take a step back and recap what happened on Monday. Three people
died and more than 170
were hurt by two bombs near the finish
line of the Boston Marathon. At least 14 bombing victims, including three
children, remain in hospital in a critical condition.






  • Seth Mnookin




adds more from
Watertown: I lived a mile from WTC on 9/11. Lived below 14th St. - needed ID to
get to apartment. Checkpoints everywhere. Watertown right now is similar.
Cops/blue lights everywhere. Automatic weapons & bomb dogs on sidewalks.
Entire city brought to halt.






  1. MIT teacher and journalist Seth Mnookin has been tweeting
    from Watertown throughout the night. He reports that a naked man arrested
    earlier was eventually released. "Apparently wrong place/time
    scenario."


  2. 1109:




Watertown
Police Chief Edward Deveau said there should be no vehicle traffic into or out
of Watertown. "We need your help now," he said, addressing residents.






  • 1105:










Homeland
Security official Kurt Schwartz urged the people of the Watertown, Newton,
Waltham, Belton Cambridge and Alston-Brighton neighbourhoods of Boston to stay
home, and told businesses not to open today until they are given further
guidance.






  • 1103:




More
closures: now Harvard University, near MIT in Cambridge, is also closed. Harvard.edu/emergency






  • Greg McKenna, Cambridge, MA




emails:
This all happened less than a quarter of a mile from me. It sounded like
warfare with explosions and bullets. My heart was racing.






  • 1055:




Closing
the briefing, Col Timothy Alben, Superintendent of the Massachusetts State
Police, said: "We believe these are the same individuals that were
responsible for the bombing on Monday of the Boston marathon. We believe they
are responsible for the death of an MIT police officer and the shooting of an
MBTA officer. This is a very serious situation that we're dealing with and we
would appreciate your co-operation."






  • 1053:




Watertown
now is basically a community on lock-down - businesses remain closed and all
public transport is shut. Authorities are also warning other communities in the
area to stay inside.






  • 1049:




Undersecretary
for Homeland Security Kurt Schwartz asks people in Watertown and surrounding
suburbs not go to work today.






  • 1048:




We
are hearing from Boston police as they hold another press conference: detailing
transport and security measures as day breaks in Watertown and Boston.






  • 1046:




Confirmation
of transport suspension from MBTA.com:
"Attention Customers: per order of the MBTA Transit police all service is
suspended until further notice. 4/19/2013 5:39 AM"






  • 1043:




More
news of suspensions and cancellations: The MBTA, which runs transport services
in and around Greater Boston, has suspended all services at the request of
police.






  • Massachusetts Institue of Technology




tweets:
MIT's classes cancelled today in wake of tragedy http://mitne.ws/17KGbRa






  • 1038:




One
Watertown witness described events in the town overnight: "It sounded like
fireworks," Imran Saif told
the Boston Globe
on YouTube.






  • 1036:




The
information from the hospital strongly indicates that the man who died at Beth
Israel overnight was the Boston bomb suspect who police say has now been
killed.







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Post by russiandoll on 19.04.13 13:51

I hope police surrounding this house take care, I recall an incident involving Spanish police storming an apartment years ago, and the suicide bomber detonated,,,,, police were killed.

btw when I was up and about 8pm, CNN news was runnning on a loop the main news of that time, and re running the video of a naked dark haired man being led to a police car, he was walking and looked uninjured. The same man was then shown in a video. dressed and being led away by a suited and booted FBI-looking agent, after having his photo taken. I cant see how this is the dead suspect, and no mention of this arrest since 8am.

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Post by Guest on 19.04.13 14:02

FROM WWW.IBTIMES.COM

The online community 4chan has found itself in the spotlight ever since its users launched an amateur investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings, bringing their technological savvy and dedication together in an unauthorized and unofficial effort to identify who was behind the terror attack.
Over the past four days, the anonymous 4chan message boards have seen a seemingly endless stream of photographs of possible "suspects," news items and tips, but one post in particular refuses to go away.

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The item in question was posted at 6:42 p.m. EDT Monday, within hours of the attacks, along with a well-known press photo of the one of the explosion sites, and it lays out a detailed series of predictions about how the federal investigation into the attacks will proceed, and what the anonymous poster believes will happen once it concludes.

The poster, who claims to work "on a security commission," provides specifics about whom he the thinks authorities will arrest, writing that "they're going to try to pin this event on a male late teens to early 20s and say he did it because he's unstable," and that "they won't find the suspect til later this week and the raid is supposed to occur on Friday."

The poster also makes the stereotypical "false flag" conspiracy claim that "this was a staged event. The people hurt are real but the event was planned."

The poster predicts that investigators will find guns and a National Rifle Association book in the suspect's home, and that they will say one of the ingredients he used to make the bombs was reloading powder. That revelation, the anonymous poster predicts, will lead unnamed authorities to say "reloading powder shouldn't be for sale to the public," and that "because the powder in ammunition can be used for explosions that the number of rounds you can buy should be limited and taxed to help pay for these events."

The poster then informs 4chan users that if he or she acts on the supposed knowledge, that "I'll lose my job and possibly face criminals [sic] charges" and warns them "please don't mention me. It will seriously hurt me."

The poster claims that he or she has "just received word" that a campaign he or she has been working on for two months for the "security commission" should begin, so "now it all makes sense."

"False flag" conspiracy theories are based on a naval term that indicates a ship that would fly another nation's flag -- a "false flag" -- in hopes of tricking its enemies into thinking they were from that other nation. It is now often used to describe conspiracy theories that suggest the government is orchestrating events that appear on their face to have been carried out by non-governmental actors. Other well-known "false flag" theories include the beliefs of certain factions of the "9/11 Truth" movement to people who believe the Sandy Hook mass shooting was a government-run hoax.

There is no way to verify who posted the message, and the claims' veracity or lack thereof will only be revealed via the passage of time, but the assertion is not going away. A screenshot of the original post continues to pop up periodically on 4chan's various message boards dedicated to political and news topics, and it has slowly spread via Facebook, and Twitter as well.
But the original post itself is gone forever as 4chan does not archive its content, as explained on the community's Frequently Asked Questions page:

"Threads expire and are pruned by 4chan's software at a relatively high rate. Since most boards are limited to eleven or sixteen pages, content is usually available for only a few hours or days before it is removed," one FAQ answer reads, while another adds that, "content that expires is removed from our system, and archives are not available. Please do not e-mail us requesting content that has been pruned, for it is impossible for us to assist you."

So the identity of the poster behind the "false flag" conspiracy theory that has gone semi-viral in the days since the Boston Marathon terror attack will most likely never be revealed, but Friday will be the first indication of whether his or her predictions have any truth to them.

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Post by russiandoll on 19.04.13 14:15

sniffer dogs alerting to explosives left right and centre.
I wonder, if there is an alert in London, will Kate advise the police not to cancel the marathon as the dogs are notoriously unreliable?
Maybe if she sees a few alerting she will start to relax unlike other runners who will be cr***ing themselves.


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Post by PeterMac on 19.04.13 14:51

Olive Press plumbing news depths of inanity today with
"Spanish link to Boston Marathon bombings"

Wait for it . . .





The pressure cooker was made in Spain !!!

The company, Fagor, exports over 50,00 a year to the USA.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.04.13 18:53

Dont be surprised the pair of brothers are Muslim, allegedly carrying out the will of Allah.

I don't believe Islam taught them to be destructive to their fellow humans.
They are so twisted in their head, in their (mis)interpretation of the religion, that they will use their religious belief to justify their action.
Shame really how they are brainwashed.

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Post by PeterMac on 19.04.13 22:21

I live in Spain.
The Muslims took Southern Spain in 700+ and developed the most wonderful, beautiful, artistic, intellectually advanced, medically, and scientifically knowledgeable society of that era. Anywhere
In the years that followed we, in Northern Europe call it the Dark Ages, but in Cordoba they were writing poetry, painting the most beautiful images of the Prophet Mohammed, of people, of animals, or birds . . .
There is no doubt at all that their scientific knowledge was based on skilful dissections of animal and human corpses.
They were distilling al-cohol, by using an al-ambic,and so on and on . .
But then . . .
The more fundamental almoravids took over,
and after them the even more fundamentalist almohads shut everything down.
And since that point Islam has been a state of oppression. Nothing is permitted. No independent thought is allowed on pain of death.

Islam has not yet had its Luther, its Cranmer, its Latimer or Ridley. They still behave as Britain did in the 14th century, because that is where they are fixed.

The whole of the Islamic world, from Morocco to Bangladesh, with the exception of the oil, (which is in fact brought out of the ground by American, British and German Companies and engineers,) produces LESS than the Nokia company of Finland.

Who employ 8,000 people.

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@PeterMac wrote:I live in Spain. The Muslims took Southern Spain in 700+ and developed the most wonderful, beautiful, artistic, intellectually advanced, medically, and scientifically knowledgeable society of that era. Anywhere...
But what's this I see in Wiklipedia...?

985 - Under Al-Mansur and subsequently his son, Christian cities are subjected to numerous raids.
985 - Al-Mansur sacks Barcelona.
986 - Al-Mansur burns down the monastery of Sant Cugat del Valles
987 - Al-Mansur lays waste to Christian Coimbra.
Al-Mansur seizes the castles north of the Douro River, and arrives at the city of Sahtiago de Compostela. The city had been evacuated and Al-Mansur burns it to the ground.
Al-Mansur has the basilica doors and bells of the Christian shrine of Santiago de Compostela taken to the Córdoba Mosque and has the rest of the Church destroyed.
988 - Al-Mansur razes Leon to the ground. He sacks Leon, Zamora, and Sahagun, and sets fire to the great monasteries of Eslonza and Sahagun.
989 - Al-Mansur seizes Osma.
994 - The monastery of Monte Cassion is destroyed a second time by the Moors.
995 - Despite stout resistance by the Beni-Gomez clan - Christian counts of Saldana, Liebana, Carrion and Zamora - Al-Mansur destroys their capital, the city of Santa Maria de Ccarrion.
997 - Under the leadership of Al-Mansur, Muslim forces march out of the city of Córdoba and head north to capture Christian lands. Muslims briefly attempt to establish a garrison at Zamora.
1002 - Al-Mansur raids into La Rioja.
Al-Mansur dies in the village of Salem.
1002–1008 - Al-Mansur's son Al-Muzaffar conducts annual raids agaisnt the Christians.
1003 - Moors lay waste to the city of Leon.
1004 - Arab raiders sack the Italian city of Pisa.
1008 - On the death of al-Muzaffar, Abd al-Rahman inn Al-Mansur, another son of Al-Mansur, takes over the role of unofficial ruler. In winter he leads his army agaisnt the Christians.
1009 - Muslims lay waste to Leon again.
1012 - Berber forces capture Córdoba and order that half the population be executed.
1013 - A Berber reign of terror in Córdoba that kills the deposed Hisham II.
The powerless Sulaiman II is forced to hand out provincial governorships to the Berber chiefs. Jews are expelled from the Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba, then ruled by Suleiman II.
Suleiman attacks Córdoba...

and so on and so forth...

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PRESS TV (U.S.) COMMENT ON WHETHER THE BOSTON BOMBS WERE A 'FALSE FLAG' EVENT:


‘False-flag’ meme goes mainstream on Boston Marathon bombings



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Whatever the truth about the Boston bombings, it seems that the false-flag meme is infiltrating mainstream discourse. And it isn't going to go away . . . at least not until 9/11 and other false-flag crimes are solved, and effective measures instituted to protect the public against the scourge of false-flag terror."

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On September 11th, 2001, the US media began chanting “Bin Laden” in unison almost from the moment the attack was reported. The possibility that US government insiders had orchestrated the attack - in order to blame Muslims, launch wars on Muslim countries, and seize near-absolute power - was never mentioned.

Bin Laden's repeated statements that he deplored the 9/11 attacks, considered them un-Islamic, and suspected that American supporters of Israel were behind them failed to penetrate the corporate media bubble. When the FBI definitively stated that Bin Laden was “not wanted” for 9/11 because there was “no hard evidence” of his involvement, the media blacked out the story.

But after the Boston bombings of April 16th, 2013, even the corporate monopoly media could no longer ignore the possibility of a false-flag attack. Yahoo News asked “Who's behind the Boston Marathon bombings?” and offered 4 theories: (1) Islamic jihadists, (2) Right-wing militia types, (3) the government, and (4) a criminally-insane lone wolf.

Numbers (1), (2), and (4), of course, are the usual suspects. But including (3) “the government” on the suspects list is unprecedented for a mainstream news story reporting on a domestic terror incident.

The false-flag meme's growing prominence was underlined at Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick's press conference after the bombings. The first question for Governor Patrick came from Infowars correspondent Dan Bidondi, who asked whether the bombings were “a false-flag staged event..to take away our civil liberties.” Patrick, of course, answered “no.”

Even the Atlantic Monthly, a neocon-lite magazine associated with names like Goldberg and Hitchens, felt compelled to publish a story headlined: “What Is a 'False Flag' Attack, and What Does Boston Have to Do with This?” Amazingly, the Atlantic article stated that yes, there is historical precedent for viewing the Boston bombing as a false-flag event. The author, Philip Bump, even admitted: “If the Boston attack had been a 'false flag' attack, Gov. Patrick would have responded 'no' anyway.”

What has changed since 2001 to bring the false-flag meme into the limelight?

Short answer: The 9/11 truth movement. During the past decade, millions of activists have been working to awaken the American and global publics to the evidence that 9/11 was an American Reichstag Fire. Polls show that 36% of Americans - roughly 100 million people - think it likely that 9/11 was an inside job. Many of these truth-seekers are highly-accomplished scientists, engineers, military and intelligence officers, and other experts. You can meet some of them at PatriotsQuestion911.com and AE911Truth.org.
Since the corporate mainstream media and the foundation-funded pseudo-alternative media have refused to report the facts about 9/11, roughly 100 million Americans consider the media moguls pathological liars. Even among the almost 200 million Americans who are not up-front 9/11 skeptics, the vague sense that something is wrong, and that the media and the politicians are lying, is widespread. A recent Pew Research poll, for example, showed that Americans' trust in government has fallen to an all-time low: Fewer than one-third of Americans trust the government, while more than two-thirds do not.
As the people lose faith in their government, and the corporate media crumbles into bankruptcy, a vibrant new independent media has sprung up on the internet. The Alex Jones media empire, which pushes the false-flag meme about as hard as it can be pushed, now reaches an estimated five to ten million people. Jeff Rense, Mike Adams, Mike Rivero, Veterans Today, American Free Press, and the foreign-run English language outlets Press TV and Russia Today also reach large and influential audiences with honest reporting about false-flag events.

Today, it isn't just a few marginalized radical intellectuals who think “false-flag” when they hear about an alleged domestic terror incident. Millions of people are sharing their suspicions about the Boston bombings on Facebook, Twitter, the blogosphere, and internet media in general.

Are they right?
Though it is too early to know for sure, the Boston bombings featured the most important telltale sign of a false-flag op: A terror drill running simultaneously, mirroring the actual attack. As Webster Tarpley has explained in his book 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, false-flag attacks such as 9/11 and 7/7 are designed as drills that suddenly “go live.” This allows insiders to plot and execute the attacks under cover of the drills, with the “Team B” bad guys actually carrying out the attacks they were supposedly going to feign.
September 11th, 2001 had been previously designated as by far the biggest special operations day in US history, with a total of 46 pre-planned drills and exercises, including live-fly planes-into-buildings exercises, providing cover for the insider attacks. (Google “Tarpley 46 drills of 9/11” for details.)

July 7th, 2005 also featured terror drills that went live. Peter Power, the UK's biggest terror consultant, admitted on live television that all of the actual bombs that devastated London that day exploded at the exact times and places envisioned in the drills.

Were the Boston bombings a drill that went live?

Mobile, Alabama TV station Local TV 15 reported:

University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.

“They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about,” Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15. “It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill.”

At 12:53 pm local time, the Boston Globe newspaper tweeted: “Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities.”

Then almost two hours later, at 2:50 p.m., bombs exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing three people and injuring more than 100 others.

Just a coincidence? Maybe. But since all of the biggest “terror attacks” in recent US history, including the two World Trade Center bombings and the Oklahoma City bombing, have been inside jobs, and since most of the “terror plots” discovered in the US since 9/11 have been created by the FBI, we have every right to be suspicious.

Terror bombings have only one beneficiary: Governments, and the wealthy families that own them.

As Vincent Vinciguerra, one of the perpetrators of the Operation Gladio terror attacks, explained: “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force . . . the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

Whatever the truth about the Boston bombings, it seems that the false-flag meme is infiltrating mainstream discourse. And it isn't going to go away . . . at least not until 9/11 and other false-flag crimes are solved, and effective measures instituted to protect the public against the scourge of false-flag terror.

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Post by tigger on 20.04.13 11:49

False Flag attacks are as old as the hills. But the combination of a false flag and a drill going on at the same time is more recent I believe.

E.g. It is now known and admitted that the Bologna station bombing in the 80's was false flag to discredit the communist party.

Saddam Hussein was paid by the CIA to kill the president (or PM) of Iraq. He fudged it and shot himself in the foot, literally. Spirited out of the country by the CIA who had the job done by someone else and then a few years later installed as president.

Google 'Gladio' - which was set up after WWII for just such purposes. So on and so forth.
This entry is v. good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio


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Post by jd on 21.04.13 2:28

"Boston marathon bombing happened on same day as 'controlled explosion' drill by Boston bomb squad", Mike Adams reports for Natural News.

"What's not yet being reported by the mainstream media is that a 'controlled explosion' was under way on the same day as the marathon explosion.

As the Boston Globe tweeted today, 'Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities.'

Some people believe this explosion might have been part of the demolition of another bomb. It seems unlikely, however, that a bomb at the library, one mile away, could be so quickly located and rigged to be exploded by the bomb squad in less than one hour following the initial explosions at the marathon." -- [1].



I will present you a series of terrorist attacks that took place AT THE SAME TIME and IN THE SAME WAY as official "drills" were being conducted by governmental institutions or companies affiliated to the government:

1. I remind you that during the 9/11 attacks, the US Air Force was conducting a "simulation" where terrorists hijackers had taken over passenger jets in order to fly them into the WTC towers.

Also, for several years prior to the 9/11 events, the U.S. defense agency conducted "drills using REAL AIRCRAFT simulating terrorist attacks crashing jets into buildings, including the twin towers and the Pentagon."

"On the morning of 9/11, 5 war games and terror drills were being conducted by several U.S. defense agencies, including one 'live fly' exercise using REAL planes. Drills also apparently included the injection of false 'radar blips' onto the screens of air traffic controllers." [2] points: 15, 16, 17 and 18.


2. "Simulations" of a terrorist attack were also undergoing in 2005 in London, when the actual attacks took place:

"On the afternoon and evening of 7th July 2005, information came to light about a private company running a terror rehearsal operation in London at the time that real explosions were reported to have occurred on the transport network. These revelations came not from an anonymous source but instead from the Managing Director (Peter Power) of the private firm running the terror rehearsal operation." 

Do you think it was just a coincidence? Well, think again!

Peter Power: "Our scenario was very similar (...) it was based on bombs going off, to the time, the locations, all this sort of stuff. (...) there was a few seconds when the audience didn't realize whether it was real or not." 

"Yesterday we were actually in the City working on an exercise involving mock broadcasts when it happened for real. (...) When news bulletins started coming on, people began to say how realistic our exercise was - not realizing there was an attack." 

I don't know how many of you know, but almost one hour after the London Underground tube system attacks, a fourth bomb was detonated on the top deck of a double-decker bus.  But Mr. Power's "simulation" did not included any bus bombing "simulation"...or has it? 

Peter Power: "We simulated a scenario with multiple bomb explosions (...) and 1 bus interchange, to stretch ourselves and test our capabilities." -- [3].

And there is more!

3. During the Sandy Hook massacre, the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA conducted an exercise entitled: "Needs for children in disasters" at the same day, 12/14/2012, and in the same State as the Sandy Hook events! -- [4] at 1:16:23 into the documentary.

4. A "simulation" for a 7.9 Richter earthquake was planned on March 20, 2012 in Mexico. In the same day, a 7.9 magnitude earthquake actually occurred. [5].

5. "Colorado University held identical drill, the same day as the Batman massacre." [6] Alex Jones. On the same day, at the same time as the shootings in Aurora, Colorado, there was a DHS-sponsored anti-terror drill specifically aimed at this scenario: to prevent and/or deal with a massacre in a movie theater. Armed police and members of SWAT teams participated in this exercise in a theater across the street from the theater where the shooting was actually occurring.

6. The Oslo, Norway, bomb attacks -- "In Oslo, a powerful bomb went off in or near the building which houses the office of the Prime Minister. Exactly as we would expect, special anti-terror police had been drilling setting off bombs in a nearby part of the Norwegian capital in advance, specifically during 2010. The public had not been informed in advance, but found out what was happening when they began hearing bombs in the opera house district, less than a kilometer away from the prime minister’s office which was attacked on Friday. Here is a report from the newspaper Aftenposten:

'Armed police were seen in the area around the opera house in Oslo, and violent explosions could be heard over large parts of the city. No one knew that this was all a matter of practice. The Information Section of the Oslo police deeply regrets that the public was not made aware of the seemingly dramatic exercise….It was the emergency squad, the national police special unit against terrorism, which was conducting a drill in the cordoned off area at Bjørvika pier.

According to a press release from the police, nearly a day after the exercise, the drill consisted of training in the controlled detonation of explosive charges….The exercise will continue for the rest of Wednesday night and a few more explosions are expected….The exercise followed a familiar pattern for all anti-terror forces around the world: The men lowered themselves down from the ceiling and into through the window that had just been blown out, while they fired hand their weapons.'" [7] & [8].



The officials have already labeled this as a TERRORIST attack. It is indeed a terrorist attack, but the terrorists are the so called "elite" who stage and benefit from these acts of terror.

It is yet another deception, PLEASE, do not fall for it! As a result, we will loose even more of our liberties. Let us wait and see who will be falsely accused by the Babylonian Brotherhood and we shall find out what their secret agenda is, in this case. Stay OPEN MINDED and, please, share the article. It is crucial to spread awareness.

Update 01: "University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.

'They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about,” Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15. “It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill.'

Stevenson said he saw law enforcement spotters on the roofs at the start of the race. He's been in plenty of marathons in Chicago, D.C., Chicago, London and other major metropolitan areas but has never seen that level of security before." -- Source.

Update 02: Apparently, "Sandy Hook parents, families and townspeople were among the VIP attendees invited to sit in the grandstands at the finish line...the location of the first blast." -- Source.

Update 03: The word "terrorism" is being used EXCESSIVELY on most main stream news channels. They pretend to be impartial and warn us not to jump to conclusions, but it's just a deceptive tactic. What they are actually doing, is inducing this idea into to the people's subconscious. Repeat something enough times and it will become fact.

Update 04: Solid evidence that the "controlled explosion drill" was the real bombing:

Enter the address on Google Earth, and test it yourself: 673 Boylston Street, Boston, MA. The exact address of The Boston Public Library, and right across the street the CONTROLLED explosion took place...just like announced.

Update 05: The Family Guy/Boston Marathon Clip is NOT a Hoax!

Exposing their own sick terror attacks before taking place, is another chapter of the modus operani of the shadow "elite"

Update 06: On numerous previous occasions, the FBI serenely ADMITTED to recruit patsies, only to later catch and expose them as genuine terrorists [15] (e.g. "US Capitol bomber", "Shoe bomber", "Underwear bomber", "New York bomber" and "Christmas tree bomber" -- All FBI fabricated).

Regarding the "Christmas tree bomber", Paul Craig Roberts, a former Reagan administration official, said it best (excerpt from the above article):

"The FBI recruited the guy, made the bomb and gave him the fake detonator. He obviously was not a terrorist since he didn't know how to make a bomb and didn't know how to recognize a face bomb," said Roberts. "Allegedly, we have real terrorists. But, we don’t ever catch any of them. We only catch ones the FBI has to recruit. Where are the real terrorists?" asked Roberts.

He argued that to keep the American people afraid, the FBI have to go out and create them.

The FBI goes out and puts ideas into people’s minds and coaxes them to engage in acts they may not have done on their own. Roberts concluded, "There are no real terrorists."


Update 07: In the case of the Boston Marathon Bombing, we have the Army responding in only one and a half minutes after the first bomb went off, we have the "bomb drill" taking place at the same time as real bombs go off and, we also have multiple secret agents with backpacks, military pants and boots, deployed on the streets [16]. Then, we have the official images provided by the FBI, showing the patsies carrying the bombs, while probably being supervised directly by the undercover feds (judging by their blurred faces).



Update 14: One more HUGE connection to Sandy Hook!:

These three were presented to us as the first responders at Sandy Hook! If they are proven to be the same, then things are even more complicated! From left to right: Michael McGowan, David Enllgren and Liam Seabrook. [22 CBS News] What where they doing undercover in Boston?

Update 15: Total media blackout now under way on most likely suspects in Boston marathon bombing!

"In a story that's almost as explosive as the actual bombing itself, the mainstream media is waging a total media blackout on the photos of "The Craft" private military operatives who were present at the Boston marathon bombing. NaturalNews.com and InfoWars.com have published a multitude of photos which absolutely prove that numerous members of "The Craft" private military contractors were actively engaged in operations at the finish line of the marathon.

This is photographic proof. In real police work, it's called "evidence." But astonishingly, there is not a single mention of "The Craft" in any mainstream media outlet: not NYT, not Washington Post, not LA Times, etc. Not a single word. This is quickly becoming the biggest media cover-up of all time." [23]
The above picture was taken at the exact same spot where the first bomb was detonated. Notice the Craft's agents wearing backpacks similar to the one containing the bomb. The agents retreated just before the bomb went off.


Update 19: The Monday, 15th, 2013 anonymous warning about what is going to happen, was very accurate:

"WARNING: Laws being written to screw you.

I work on a security commission and I've just received word to start campaigning on a campaign we've been working on for the last two months and now it all makes sense.

I’ll keep it as short can I can.

They’re going to pin this event on a male late teens to early 20s and say he did it because he’s unstable. They are going to find firearms and a NRA book in his home. They are going to say he used reloading powder for the explosion and that reloading powder shouldn’t be for sale to the public. They are then going to say that because the powder in ammunition can be used for explosions that the number of rounds you can buy should be limited and taxed to help pay for these events.

I can’t do anything or I’ll lose my job and possibly face criminals charges. Please don’t let them get away with it. They won’t find the suspect till later this week and the raid is issued to occur on Friday. This was a staged event. The people hurt are real but the event was planned. Don’t let them hurt our rights. I’m at work so I used a copy of a picture from another thread. Also please don’t mention me. It will seriously hurt me." [25]


Update 20: One of the top suspects from the bomb site number one:

This guy is shown in the above picture at the bomb site number one just prior to the explosion. He is carrying an apparently identical backpack as the one that allegedly contained the bomb. [26]

Dzhokhar's backpack DOES NOT MATCH the one found at the bomb site number one!


Update 21: In an interview with Russia Today Friday, Tsarnaeva (the mother) said that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was CONTROLLED by the FBI:

Update 23: The special forces are searching the homes of the people in Boston yesterday WITHOUT a search warrant. This is an extreme measure, only taken during the Martial Law. Is the government testing our reaction in a Martial Law situation? The people are not protesting, they are not aware of their rights.


Update 25: The officials are invoking the public safety exception regarding the Miranda rights for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be the second suspect in the bombings at the Boston Marathon. [29]

This is OUTRAGEOUS! Every human being on this planet is INNOCENT until PROVED guilty by a COURT OF LAW!

They will probably use every intimidation tactic and very possibly torture [30] to make him confess to things that he might have never done.

I remind you that to this hour, we have NO VIDEO EVIDENCE of either of the two brothers dropping the backpacks at the bomb sites. More to the point, their backpacks DO NOT MATCH the backpacks found torn apart at the bomb sites. At the same time, we have private "contractors" with the insignia of the Navy SEALs [31], carrying similar or identical backpacks as the ones used in the bombing. There is also the bearded suspect presented above (image credit: Info Wars).


Update 28: The Police Chief had a shameful intervention earlier on CNN. According to his own statement, he doesn't know what kind of weapons the brothers allegedly used against the police almost 48 hours ago.

Also, to this hour, the police haven't searched the boat, because "it's a decent size boat", so they have no idea what kind of weapons Dzhokhar had with him in the boat.

Chief, are you joking?

http://humansarefree.com/2013/04/the-boston-bombing-is-inside-job.html

With the Oklahoma City bombing, a bomb squad was seen by eyewitnesses across from the Alfred P. Murrah building right before it was blown up. On top of this, members of the ATF who worked in the building were told that they shouldn’t come into work the very same day of the bombing. Why was EVERY BADGE-CARRYING FEDERAL AGENT absent from work at nine o’clock on a weekday morning, their offices staffed only with civilian clerical workers?



Some more from the infamous Family Guy Boston marathon episode


An interesting little detail from the infamous Family Guy Boston Marathon episode, when Peter is first recruited to become a terrorist...


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Post by tigger on 21.04.13 7:38

I've had a look at the 'high impact' photograph of the man in a wheelchair - same man who helped identify the bomber.
All subsequent photographs are heavily pixellated below the knee (I can post the original but would rather PM it because it does look grisly)
the points noticed:
1) the tourniquet is nowhere near tight enough to prevent blood loss, it's so loose that there's no indent on the flesh.
2) the policeman is leaning/holding the damaged right knee right on the 'open wound'
3) there's only blood on the hands of the man in the middle and on the glove of the policeman - none on the pristine hands of the victim
4) the man is holding his leg very lightly, not gripping it at all, no indents on the flesh
5) there are only loose flaps of (rubbery looking) skin and bone (square section) visible, no flesh or muscle fibres.

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Post by jd on 21.04.13 11:19

@tigger wrote:I've had a look at the 'high impact' photograph of the man in a wheelchair - same man who helped identify the bomber.
All subsequent photographs are heavily pixellated below the knee (I can post the original but would rather PM it because it does look grisly)
the points noticed:
1) the tourniquet is nowhere near tight enough to prevent blood loss, it's so loose that there's no indent on the flesh.
2) the policeman is leaning/holding the damaged right knee right on the 'open wound'
3) there's only blood on the hands of the man in the middle and on the glove of the policeman - none on the pristine hands of the victim
4) the man is holding his leg very lightly, not gripping it at all, no indents on the flesh
5) there are only loose flaps of (rubbery looking) skin and bone (square section) visible, no flesh or muscle fibres.

Amputee ACTORS help soldiers prepare for war...This explains what we have been seeing on MSM. I couldn't agree more with the guy who made this video


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