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Post by plebgate on 19.03.13 0:03

@bobbin wrote:The house of commons is still voting on this and that, giving their long speeches of the details of why, who and how, newspapers will be obliged to join the cooked up plan, and they are quite oblivious to the fact that outside, in the real world, the newspapers are already thinking 'no'.
It's funny to see their cocooned world, believing that their proposals will without question be accepted, and obviously no one is updating them from outside.
Jacob Rees-Mogg MP, brilliant, stating that Hacked Off were despicable, hijacking people's real misery, to get a deal through to protect celebrities whose dodgy pasts have been despicable and who wanted to stop papers writing about them. It will be in Hansard as a proper quote tomorrow.




I forget where it was posted but on one of the threads yesterday didn't Grant say something like Hacked Office was run from a little office with just a few professors and himself.

Well Guido's list shows exactly who is funding Hacked Off and it sounds a lot different to what Granty boy said.

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Post by plebgate on 19.03.13 0:11

The Sun on Sunday have fairly recently given Guido a political column.

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Post by tigger on 19.03.13 6:19

@plebgate wrote:
@bobbin wrote:The house of commons is still voting on this and that, giving their long speeches of the details of why, who and how, newspapers will be obliged to join the cooked up plan, and they are quite oblivious to the fact that outside, in the real world, the newspapers are already thinking 'no'.
It's funny to see their cocooned world, believing that their proposals will without question be accepted, and obviously no one is updating them from outside.
Jacob Rees-Mogg MP, brilliant, stating that Hacked Off were despicable, hijacking people's real misery, to get a deal through to protect celebrities whose dodgy pasts have been despicable and who wanted to stop papers writing about them. It will be in Hansard as a proper quote tomorrow.





I forget where it was posted but on one of the threads yesterday didn't Grant say something like Hacked Office was run from a little office with just a few professors and himself.

Well Guido's list shows exactly who is funding Hacked Off and it sounds a lot different to what Granty boy said.


'if people could see Hacked Off, they talk about us being a smooth sinister operation. It's just a few dandruffy professors sitting in a cheap office with a slightly insane chess champion ex lib-dem MP and a couple of threadbare lawyers and me.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rhgnb/The_Andrew_Marr_Show_17_03_2013/

and:


Media Guido‏@MediaGuido

Tomorrow http://www.MediaGuido.com will reveal some of Hacked Off's secretive funders. The celebs, the famous, the rich and the powerful.

Both from page 4 and 5 on this topic. spin

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Post by tigger on 19.03.13 7:05

From: http://www.MediaGuido.com

Labour Peer Lord Sainsbury (billionaire)
Hacked Off Donors: #1 Lady Annabel Goldsmith
Hacked Off Donors #2: Jeremy Clarkson Gave Hacked Off £1,000
Hacked Off Donors: #3 City Tycoon Arpad Busson
Hacked Off Donors: #4 Celebrity Hairdresser John Frieda
Hacked Off Donors: #5 Millionaire Ex-Journalist Alain de Botton

Above some of the donors - don't quite fit the description of a dusty professor or two?

On the whole it looks like a plutocracy protecting themselves. Poor people generally don't get celebrity headlines.

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Post by Guest on 19.03.13 8:23

Jeremy Clarkson tweeted yesterday that he did not donate to the 'hacked off' campaign.



Jeremy Clarkson‏@JeremyClarkson

To be very clear, I haven't given any money to Hacked Off.



Jeremy Clarkson‏@JeremyClarkson

Some days, I want to insert all of Ken High Street up Dacre's arse. But I am not a donor to Hacked Off.

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Post by tigger on 19.03.13 8:38

candyfloss wrote:Jeremy Clarkson tweeted yesterday that he did not donate to the 'hacked off' campaign.



Jeremy Clarkson‏@JeremyClarkson

To be very clear, I haven't given any money to Hacked Off.



Jeremy Clarkson‏@JeremyClarkson

Some days, I want to insert all of Ken High Street up Dacre's arse. But I am not a donor to Hacked Off.

Thank goodness for that! I was quite disappointed in him.

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Post by plebgate on 19.03.13 8:40

Thank you Tigger.
A few dusty old Professors. Yeah right, my arris.

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Post by Guest on 19.03.13 10:13

Blog from Deputy Editor of Telegraph...

Press and politicians at loggerheads over regulation



By Benedict Brogan Politics Last updated: March 19th, 2013



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100207757/press-and-politicians-at-loggerheads-over-regulation/

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Post by Guest on 19.03.13 10:20

Snipped from AANGIRFAN






On 18 March 2013, the deputy editor of the Telegraph, tweeted: "We can never again lecture a Mugabe or a Putin on freedom of expression."




The UK parliament (some of whom are allegedly "a bunch of child abusers and fascists") has agreed to the setting up of a powerful new press regulator designed to prevent the public from learning that some of our leaders may be "a bunch of child abusers and fascists."




In 1995, the actor Hugh Grant was arrested for soliciting prostitute Divine Brown.

One of those who campaigned for stricter regulation of the press is the actor Hugh Grant.

"The press should now take revenge and never print one single word about Hugh Grant, his movies, his life, his friends or anything else. No matter how much he begs for the publicity he craves when it suits him. Just say No!"

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Post by Guest on 19.03.13 10:26

How four Hacked Off campaigners sat in on the talks - but no-one from the newspaper industry



  • It included co-founder Brian Cathcart and former Lib Dem MP Evan Harris
  • Newspaper industry saw charter for first time at 4.30am yesterday
  • Downing Street did not know 4 senior Hacked Off officials would be present


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295572/How-Hacked-Off-campaigners-sat-talks--newspaper-industry.html#ixzz2NypFxpYP

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Post by bobbin on 19.03.13 10:49

From Hansard, the official recordings of
speeches made in the House of Commons.





( bobbin writes...An insight from some of the more
perspicacious MPs re. the fears about the ‘hurried through’ royal charter. MPs
were being required to accept this, without having even seen the govt/hijacked off fait-accompli papers which were only first delivered during the session.)




http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm130318/debtext/130318-0002.htm


6.57 pm



Jacob Rees-Mogg
(North East Somerset) (Con):
May I join in the praise of the Prime
Minister, which has become commonplace in this debate, although I do so for a
different reason—not for this royal charter, but for accepting the constraints
of collective responsibility? He has fought a valiant battle for the freedom of
the press but, unfortunately, the Liberal Democrats do not believe in it and we
therefore have the restriction on the freedom of the press that we find with
this royal charter and this debate. Collective responsibility required that





18 Mar 2013 : Column 674


the
Prime Minister should lead a united Government on this and I think he was right
to do so, because the alternative was to have the Lib Dems with us in the
Division Lobby one day and with Labour the next, and that is not a Government;
it is, as I believe Palmerston put it, a mere coalition of atoms.


Why is a free press important? Why is freedom of speech
important? Why is it a right that this House demands as an absolute? Since the
Bill of Rights was introduced, we have been free here to say anything that we
like. We can cast aspersions upon anyone we want, powerful or weak; we can make
them up. The only constraints we have—not to be rude about the royal family,
about judges or about ourselves—are those that the House itself has imposed. We
have those freedoms because, as my hon. Friend the Member for Aldershot (Sir
Gerald Howarth) said, we recognise that the way to redress grievance is by
being free to do so and having no constraint on what we say in this place. As
soon as a constraint is imposed, we find that the Crown, as it used to, will
use its powers to suppress a free press.


Before the Bill of Rights, what happened? MPs who said
the wrong thing got sent to the Tower. The Prime Minister might think that that
is an attractive option to have at his command, but freedom increased the power
of the people against the Executive. We see that with newspapers: they hold us
to account; they expose wrongdoing, corruption and criminality; and as they do
it, they upset powerful people. Indeed, many Members of Parliament were upset
over the expenses scandal—a scandal that was revealed only because a brave
press was willing to use stolen information.


I am concerned about deciding to license the press—and
that is what we are doing. If newspapers do not sign up to this agreement, they
risk paying a high level of costs on any occasion when they are sued for libel,
and that will be introduced by statute. If they do not sign up to the
agreement, they risk punitive damages. Members of the House who are interested
in their history will know that the law of criminal libel was used to put down
the power of those who criticised Governments. Why was John Wilkes arrested? It
was for a criminal libel. By increasing such powers and the viciousness of the
laws against those newspapers that will not be registered and licensed by the
state, we undermine our freedoms.


As for this wonderful charter, I, like the right hon.
Member for Belfast North (Mr Dodds), am reluctant to criticise the power of the
Crown. The introduction to the charter reads:


“NOW KNOW YE that We by Our
Prerogative Royal of Our especial grace, certain knowledge and mere motion do
by this Our Charter for Us, Our Heirs and Successors will, ordain and declare
as follows”.


By the sovereign’s mere motion, those who regulate the
press are to be chosen, appointed and selected. It is the state that is taking
on this power, with some minor protections against its being changed—but, oh,
how minor those changes are! We hear that there will be three lines of
legislation—three lines—to prevent the charter from being changed. Three lines
of legislation can be repealed by one line of subsequent legislation; there is
little protection in that. The motion of one charter may be created with
further charters. It might perhaps be hard to alter it, but there is always the
possibility of new charters to come.








18 Mar 2013 : Column 675 Jacob Rees-Mogg continues


We see, therefore, the risk of increasing state power
over our media, leading not immediately to direct censorship but to
self-censorship, which we are already seeing with the being press reluctant to
criticise the great and the good. I am reluctant to disagree with my hon.
Friend the Member for Aldershot, but I think that
Hacked Off is a most disreputable body that used the sad tales of a small
number of victims whose bad treatment was often against the law as the cover
for a campaign for celebrities who had disreputable pasts that they did not
like being reported.






7.3 pm


Richard
Drax (South Dorset) (Con):
It is a
pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for North East Somerset (Jacob
Rees-Mogg) and I concur with every single word he said. I want to speak briefly
from a journalist’s perspective, as I was one for 17 years, working for the
local and national press and for BBC television and radio. In that time, 99% of
those with whom I worked were decent, honourable people whose sole task in life
was to hold the powerful, the corrupt and others to account and to stand up for
the small man and woman. They did and they do. Regrettably, a tiny minority has
ruined the barrel for the majority of the press, who in my view do an extremely
good job and have held many people in this House to account. Some in this place
have had to leave and have even gone to jail because of the press’s research
and diligence. We risk treading on that power at our peril.



I rather liked the papal reference used by the hon.
Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant). This latest charter has come from a private
meeting held behind closed doors and was introduced to us today. If the hon.
Gentleman was correct, the information reached us only just after the debate
had started. There will be no further debate and for something so serious,
which is fundamental to the freedom and democracy of our country, to be swept
through by a small minority of highly placed people is wrong and undemocratic.



Knee-jerk reactions lead to unintended consequences
and we see that in politics again and again. This subject needs a lot more
thought, a lot more diligence and a lot more attention. The press protect this
country. Yes, they make mistakes—of course they do. When I joined, an editor
said to me, “Richard, accuracy is key. If in doubt, leave it out.” That is a
very good bit of advice. The blame lies with the independent editors. They are
the chief executives, they are the commanding officers—call it what you like,
it is they who have failed in many cases to command properly the men and women
in their structure. That is where the blame should lie and it is they who
should lose their jobs and careers.



Already we have heard from my right hon. Friend the
Member for Hitchin and Harpenden (Mr Lilley) that in most cases we have laws
already. We have hacking and libel laws to protect people who suffer from such
things. The Milly Dowler case was simply appalling—I do not defend it for one
minute—but the laws are there. We do not need any more laws. When I heard about
the royal charter, I was informed by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister’s
office that there would be no statute and I agreed to support it. There is now
a smidgen of statute—just a little tiny bit—for which the support of two thirds
of this House or the other place is required to effect change. Today, we will
agree—regrettably, in



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my view—to push
the charter forward without further consideration. If parts of the press do not
sign up, what will happen?
What will the Opposition, the Liberal Democrats or
some of my colleagues do if not every publication signs up to the royal
charter? Will they instruct them to sign up? Will they threaten them if they do
not?



As we have heard, we do not know what powers the new
body will have. Will it have more powers? Will we come back to this place to
pass more legislation to make the press do what it does not want to do? I will
not go on any longer, as other Members want to speak and we are running out of
time, but I warn those on the Front Bench and everyone in this House to think
very carefully before taking too many further steps down this road, as it will
in the future undermine the democracy and freedom we are in this place to
defend and represent.



7.8 pm


Dr Sarah
Wollaston (Totnes) (Con):
We have
to read up to schedule 4 of the charter before it sets out to whom it applies.
It states that a



“‘relevant
publisher’ means a person…who publishes in the United Kingdom…a newspaper or
magazine…or…a website containing news-related material”.



That is why it is so unrealistic, because websites can
be set up anywhere in the world.
My hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon
(Mr Buckland) said that the code was voluntary, but if the stick being carried
is sufficiently big, the code becomes coercive.



What will happen when our press become more bland and
we see the people who read newspapers deserting them for the internet? Will the
code apply to Twitter? There is a risk that we will abandon the printed press
for the online news media, and what will happen then to our particularly
vulnerable regional and local press? Who will be there to report from the
courts? What will happen if our national press go into further decline and can
no longer afford to fund world-class investigative journalism?



There has rightly been much talk today about the
victims of the press, but we forget at our peril the victims of big pharma, of
big corporations and of big state. I would far rather have our two-fingers-to-the-establishment,
slightly out of control press than a nervous press, a bankrupt press or a bland
press. Although we can all be commentators through the internet, we cannot all
be investigative journalists. We owe a huge debt to investigative journalism
and we should be very mindful of any threat to it. I hope that when he responds
to the debate, the Prime Minister will feel at least that a free press deserves
a free vote.

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Post by tigger on 19.03.13 11:13

Thank you Bobbin, it's given me at least some confidence in some MPs.

This struck me:


I rather liked the papal reference used by the hon.
Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant). This latest charter has come from a private
meeting held behind closed doors and was introduced to us today.
If the hon.
Gentleman was correct, the information reached us only just after the debate
had started. There will be no further debate and for something so serious,
which is fundamental to the freedom and democracy of our country, to be swept
through by a small minority of highly placed people is wrong and undemocratic.


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Post by bobbin on 19.03.13 11:25

@tigger wrote:Thank you Bobbin, it's given me at least some confidence in some MPs.

This struck me:


I rather liked the papal reference used by the hon.
Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant). This latest charter has come from a private
meeting held behind closed doors and was introduced to us today.
If the hon.
Gentleman was correct, the information reached us only just after the debate
had started. There will be no further debate and for something so serious,
which is fundamental to the freedom and democracy of our country, to be swept
through by a small minority of highly placed people is wrong and undemocratic.


Yes, it's classic isn't it.
I'll have to go and check if anyone wants me to but the gist of what followed till about 1 am this morning in Parliament was that re the new crimes bill, there are some 40 amendments which are critical to be fully discussed in Parliament. Several MPs stood to complain that it was absolutely unbelievable that NO time was being allocated to discuss these vital amendments. Mr. Bone MP, for a start, was absolutely condemning in his anger at the violation against the house that time was not being allowed. I believe that the house divided to make a vote and that 2 days have now been allotted but will go and check. However, the whole presentation of the 'charter' and Maria Miller's hurry to press on, fudging over the more difficult bits, to bluster on past and get things accepted, was more than evident.
Will be back with the info, since it's important to know that back-bencher MPs are not going to allow themselves to be p****d on by the front bench without kicking up a really big fuss.

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Post by Guest on 19.03.13 11:46

Political Deputy Editor of The Mirror....



JamesLyons‏@MirrorJames

Max Mosley now talking about "cutting the wire" to internet sites hosted outside the UK



JamesLyons‏@MirrorJames

Hacked Off now saying Parliament "would have to act" is newspapers don't sign up to voluntary regulator

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Post by Guest on 19.03.13 11:47

Conor Burns MP‏@Conor_BurnsMP
The champions of openness that is Hacked Off refuse to name large private donors in non-answers to my questions

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Kevin Maguire‏@Kevin_Maguire
Hacked Off sounding hacked off at scrutiny by MPs on Culture Committee of their lobby group. Accused of exploiting Dowlers





Kevin Maguire‏@Kevin_Maguire

Hacked Off refusing to disclose names of big donors an own goal for a lobby claiming to champion transparency

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James Chapman (Mail)‏@jameschappers
Hacked Off tells MPs Ed Miliband's staff invited them to cross-party talks but 'Mr Clegg was was expecting us to be there as well' #leveson

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Post by bobbin on 19.03.13 12:24

@bobbin wrote:
@tigger wrote:Thank you Bobbin, it's given me at least some confidence in some MPs.

This struck me:


I rather liked the papal reference used by the hon.
Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant). This latest charter has come from a private
meeting held behind closed doors and was introduced to us today.
If the hon.
Gentleman was correct, the information reached us only just after the debate
had started. There will be no further debate and for something so serious,
which is fundamental to the freedom and democracy of our country, to be swept
through by a small minority of highly placed people is wrong and undemocratic.


Yes, it's classic isn't it.
I'll have to go and check if anyone wants me to but the gist of what followed till about 1 am this morning in Parliament was that re the new crimes bill, there are some 40 amendments which are critical to be fully discussed in Parliament. Several MPs stood to complain that it was absolutely unbelievable that NO time was being allocated to discuss these vital amendments. Mr. Peter Bone MP, for a start, was absolutely condemning in his anger at the violation against the house that time was not being allowed. I believe that the house divided to make a vote and that 2 days have now been allotted but will go and check. However, the whole presentation of the 'charter' and Maria Miller's hurry to press on, fudging over the more difficult bits, to bluster on past and get things accepted, was more than evident.
Will be back with the info, since it's important to know that back-bencher MPs are not going to allow themselves to be p****d on by the front bench without kicking up a really big fuss.

Now been back and looked it through. Yes, anger at the govt front bench for deliberately allowing for no debate.
I've selected a little with reference site, to find the rest if anyone wants to read it.
Just as well there are some hard nut MPs standing up for the rest of us and our rights. This govt is trying to push very important stuff through without scrutiny. Quelle surprise NOT.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm130318/debtext/130318-0003.htm#13031836000001

(bobbin writes, The discussions between columns 681 and 692 before the end show quite clearly that back benchers felt that a
DELIBERATE effort was being made to guillotine (prevent) discussion of some of the most important issues re extradition warrants, etc.)



18 Mar 2013 : Column 681



Crime and Courts Bill [Lords] (Programme) ((No. 3)
7.21 pm
The Leader of the House of Commons (Mr Andrew Lansley): I beg to move,
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Mr Winnick: The Leader of the House said that there would be other opportunities to discuss those issues. Would it
not be useful, arising from the strong representations and speeches that have been made from both sides of the House on the right of Parliament to debate such issues, if the Leader of the House (eta Andrew Lansley) indicated when we will be able to discuss such issues if he is not willing to agree to the amendment?

Mr Llwyd: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point, with which I agree fully.
The Executive are overriding completely the will of this place. The matters that we are not able to discuss are not minor ones; they are vital matters that concern people out there. They are not matters for the twittering
classes of Westminster alone; they are vital matters that affect ordinary citizens up and down the UK. For example, we are dealing with automatic deportation and ensuring convention rights. We cannot be expected to run through such vital issues in a matter of minutes. I find the whole thing utterly unacceptable.

I was in Parliament in 1992 when the then Conservative Government thought better of such practices and provided time for debates to take place. Very rarely were debates truncated in this way. It is utterly unacceptable and I am sure that people outside this place will see that. We took a step forward this afternoon, but we are taking a major step back this evening.
Mr Winnick: On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker.
Would it not be appropriate for the Leader of the House ( eta Andrew Lansley)to show respect for the views that have been expressed in the past 15 minutes and at least come to the Dispatch Box and make some comments? He is just sitting there grinning and showing indifference. What sort of respect does that show for the views of the House of Commons?

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Post by plebgate on 19.03.13 13:41

Andrew Lansley took a mauling from the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/healthcare-network/2012/sep/06/andrew-lansley-disaster-deserved-sack

"Sitting grinning and showing no respect."
I wonder if it's because he doesn't know what to do just as some have said about his last position?

Edited to add thanks to Bobbin for all the work.
Very informative.

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Post by plebgate on 19.03.13 13:46

@tigger wrote:
@plebgate wrote:
@bobbin wrote:The house of commons is still voting on this and that, giving their long speeches of the details of why, who and how, newspapers will be obliged to join the cooked up plan, and they are quite oblivious to the fact that outside, in the real world, the newspapers are already thinking 'no'.
It's funny to see their cocooned world, believing that their proposals will without question be accepted, and obviously no one is updating them from outside.
Jacob Rees-Mogg MP, brilliant, stating that Hacked Off were despicable, hijacking people's real misery, to get a deal through to protect celebrities whose dodgy pasts have been despicable and who wanted to stop papers writing about them. It will be in Hansard as a proper quote tomorrow.





I forget where it was posted but on one of the threads yesterday didn't Grant say something like Hacked Office was run from a little office with just a few professors and himself.

Well Guido's list shows exactly who is funding Hacked Off and it sounds a lot different to what Granty boy said.


'if people could see Hacked Off, they talk about us being a smooth sinister operation. It's just a few dandruffy professors sitting in a cheap office with a slightly insane chess champion ex lib-dem MP and a couple of threadbare lawyers and me.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rhgnb/The_Andrew_Marr_Show_17_03_2013/

and:


Media Guido‏@MediaGuido

Tomorrow http://www.MediaGuido.com will reveal some of Hacked Off's secretive funders. The celebs, the famous, the rich and the powerful.

Both from page 4 and 5 on this topic.


JUST A FEW PROFESSORS Granty boy - not according to Guido's latest.

http://order-order.com/2013/03/19/hacked-off-funded-by-billionaire-russian-oligarch/

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Post by aquila on 19.03.13 14:03

It only takes a look at Hacked Off's website to see this isn't a few old bumbly people. I looked at it months ago. It's scary to think that this 'organisation' is influencing my country's constitution.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Hacked Off has a sinister agenda.

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Post by plebgate on 19.03.13 14:08

Yes it scares me to Aquilla.

In view of what we have learned about this since yesterday, I think the 3 party leaders should be summoned by the Speaker and asked in the House as to whether this changes their minds about things?

Why were Hacked off delegates allowed into the meeting but the newspapers were not?

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Post by aquila on 19.03.13 14:15

@plebgate wrote:Yes it scares me to Aquilla.

In view of what we have learned about this since yesterday, I think the 3 party leaders should be summoned by the Speaker and asked in the House as to whether this changes their minds about things?

Why were Hacked off delegates allowed into the meeting but the newspapers were not?

Follow the money. Demand transparency with regards to donors. Look at that list (if it's ever produced) and then see which donors also donate to particular political parties and whether members of political parties have a vested interest. There lies the answer. It's not rocket science.

IMO Hacked Off are disgraceful.

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Post by russiandoll on 19.03.13 14:53

candyfloss wrote:Kevin Maguire‏@Kevin_Maguire
Hacked Off sounding hacked off at scrutiny by MPs on Culture Committee of their lobby group. Accused of exploiting Dowlers





Kevin Maguire‏@Kevin_Maguire

Hacked Off refusing to disclose names of big donors an own goal for a lobby claiming to champion transparency


I usually have a lot of time for KMcGuire, intelligent and straight- talking on Sky News alongside his sidekick "Toryboy " Andrew Pierce. I was however disappointed in him last night, discussing the treatment of the McCanns by the press. Pierce said that the UK press were simply reporting what was coming from the Portuguese police, exonerating the UK press from true libel, it seemed to me. McGuire then defended the UK press by saying that they were printing lies from the Portuguese police. To accuse a police force of lying, without any proof of them having done so, was outrageous imo. Why he thinks a police force would deliberately lie when they were trying to establish the whereabouts of a 3 year old beats me.

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Re: Press regulation talks 'break down' **UPDATE** Deal now done

Post by Newintown on 19.03.13 15:05

@russiandoll wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Kevin Maguire‏@Kevin_Maguire
Hacked Off sounding hacked off at scrutiny by MPs on Culture Committee of their lobby group. Accused of exploiting Dowlers





Kevin Maguire‏@Kevin_Maguire

Hacked Off refusing to disclose names of big donors an own goal for a lobby claiming to champion transparency


I usually have a lot of time for KMcGuire, intelligent and straight- talking on Sky News alongside his sidekick "Toryboy " Andrew Pierce. I was however disappointed in him last night, discussing the treatment of the McCanns by the press. Pierce said that the UK press were simply reporting what was coming from the Portuguese police, exonerating the UK press from true libel, it seemed to me. McGuire then defended the UK press by saying that they were printing lies from the Portuguese police. To accuse a police force of lying, without any proof of them having done so, was outrageous imo. Why he thinks a police force would deliberately lie when they were trying to establish the whereabouts of a 3 year old beats me.

I've just done a google search on Kevin Maquire, he's on Facebook and Twitter. Perhaps someone could point him in the direction of the PJ files and the forever changing statements of the Tapas crew, and the fact that the UK police were also involved with the Portugese Police shortly after Madeleine's disappearance, and also the video of Eddie and Keela. I wonder if he is aware of the Libel trial between the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral. That could be an eye opener for him and would make him eat his words if things come out from there that he is totally ignorant about.

Unfortunately I'm not on Facebook or Twitter, I have enough trouble just sending emails.

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