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Great News - Trial of Leonara Cipriano begins today *UPDATE* Found GUILTY of making false statements

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Post by Guest on 04.03.13 12:54

Court begins today in the trial of Faro Leonara Cipriano. The woman is accused for having allegedly made false statements when he complained of having been agradida by elements of the Criminal Investigation Department


The inspectors have been acquitted and the court then concluded that Leonor Cipriano had lied.

The trial starts this afternoon at 14h00, in the first criminal trial of the Court of Faro.

http://sicnoticias.sapo.pt/pais/2013/03/04/comeca-hoje-julgamento-de-leonor-cipriano



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Post by Guest on 04.03.13 13:02

Good. Hope more news coming fast forward. It would finally "explain" how someone can be convicted of false reporting on a case that never happened!

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Post by saltnpepper on 04.03.13 19:43

This could be linked to Metodo3...Mad Marcos?

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Post by Montclair on 04.03.13 20:03

The inspectors had already been acquitted in 2009 of torturing Leonor Cipriano who was then accused of committing perjury and her trial has started today. She is the only one on trial.

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Post by Guest on 04.03.13 20:43

Does anybody know whether the outcome of this case will have any affect on Goncalo Amaral? Was he not found guilty of a charge in relation to this?

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Post by Guest on 04.03.13 21:16

Popcorn wrote:Does anybody know whether the outcome of this case will have any affect on Goncalo Amaral? Was he not found guilty of a charge in relation to this?
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As you may well know, yes, convicted [suspended sentence] for perjury. In a case which so far never was proved to have happened. The mind boggles ...

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Post by Guest on 04.03.13 22:10

So if Cipriano loses her case, is the conviction against Goncalo Amaral null and void? I've never understood the details of this particular case - or of Portuguese law generally - so I wonder if it is technically possible for Cipriano to lose here, but for Amaral to still be guilty of perjury in relation to her case? Or will Amaral be cleared of the perjury charge if Cipriano loses?

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Post by PeterMac on 05.03.13 8:23

It is all getting very interesting.
IF . . .
the trial looks into what happened, which since it is Portugal and an inquisitorial system is certainly possible,
THEN. . .
as several have commented on another site - the trial could bring a whole lot to the surface, the most significant piece of information being that her lawyer claimed that M3 paid him to find dirt on Amaral to ruin his reputation. And who paid M3 to do this ?

Now we understand the reason for the timing of the Cyprus sighting. Well done Clarrie !


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Post by Guest on 05.03.13 8:24

An update on the trial on Joana Morais Blog!
The verdict will be on Thursday 14 March.

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eta I can not paste the link for some reason sad

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Post by sharonl on 05.03.13 8:25

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/03/leonor-cipriano-judged-for.html

by João Mira Godinho

The different versions that she presented about the alleged aggressions that she was a victim of at the headquarters of the Judiciary Police of Faro, took Leonor Cipriano yesterday to the Court of Faro. Joana's mother - who is doing a jail time of 16 years for the murder of her daughter - answers for false accusations.

Yesterday, Leonor, 42 years old, repeated what she had said in court, back in 2008, during the trial of the five inspectors of the Judiciary Police - including Gonçalo Amaral and Paulo Pereira Cristovão - for [alleged] aggressions during the questionings, at the time of Joana's death investigation, back in 2004.

Leonor repeated that, at the Judiciary Police of Faro headquarters, the officers beat her up "with punches and kicks", that they beat her "with a cardboard tube", that they placed "a blue plastic bag over her head" and that they hit her with a "phone book". 

However, in the answers to the Public Ministry and to the Judge, Joana's mother [and convicted murderer] contradicted herself: she was unable to give the timing of the aggressions, she stated the tube was made of plastic and she affirmed that she had always been sitting down, when before she had stated that she had been forced to stay on her knees, on the top of ashtrays.

"This was an important moment in her life and it would be expected, even for the numerous times she has been asked the same questions, that she had kept it in her memory" argued the Public Ministry prosecutor, concluding that Leonor "insists on lying" and that she should be condemned to a jail sentence [for those lies]. 

The defence attorney* alleged that Leonor Cipriano "has difficulties in explaining herself", which, allied to a situation "in which the discernment wasn't the best", explains the contradictions. 

The sentence was scheduled for the 14th of March.

In 2009, at the trial of the PJ officers, the court ruled as proven that there was an aggression however they were unable to identify the perpetrators.

in Correio da Manhã, March 5 2013 Note by JM: * Marcos Aragão Correia has taken an extended leave in Brazil whilst Marinho Pinto, apparently decided that the Lawyers Order should not go on being an assistant of her defence. Leonor, as a poor woman, was left with a court-appointed (defence) counsel. I guess now that she has served the McCanns' purpose and other people interests, she can be discarded!

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Post by sharonl on 05.03.13 8:49

So Marcos Correia used Leonor Cipriano in an attempt to discredit Goncalo Amaral and the Portuguese police, but took an extended break in Brazil failing to defend her when she was caught out.

Now she has a story to tell and absolutely nothing to gain or lose.

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Post by aiyoyo on 05.03.13 9:01

Depending whether she was paid to lie back then.

Even if she wasnt. I figure her IQ must be so low she probably does not even realise she was made used of.


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Post by Lostfridge on 05.03.13 9:01

@sharonl wrote:So Marcos Correia used Leonor Cipriano in an attempt to discredit Goncalo Amaral and the Portuguese police, but took an extended break in Brazil failing to defend her when she was caught out.

Now she has a story to tell and absolutely nothing to gain or lose.

Yes, but who will believe her?

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Post by sharonl on 05.03.13 9:41

@Lostfridge wrote:
@sharonl wrote:So Marcos Correia used Leonor Cipriano in an attempt to discredit Goncalo Amaral and the Portuguese police, but took an extended break in Brazil failing to defend her when she was caught out.

Now she has a story to tell and absolutely nothing to gain or lose.

Yes, but who will believe her?

No one, but it is possible that someone with an interest in the case may now obtain information from her, whether that be the authorities, those investigating Metodo3 or someone just researching the case. A professional person should be able to get to the bottom of this if they approach it in the correct manner.

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Post by PeterMac on 05.03.13 14:04

So, as someone on another site has posted,
The money donated by the public to search for Madeleine was in fact used by the McCanns to pay for a set of private detectives to actively hinder the search (! ! )
I wonder why ?

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Post by sharonl on 05.03.13 14:34

@PeterMac wrote:So, as someone on another site has posted,
The money donated by the public to search for Madeleine was in fact used by the McCanns to pay for a set of private detectives to actively hinder the search (! ! )
I wonder why ?

Taking the search away from Portugal and into Morocco
The search of the Arade Dam
We know who took her and will have her home by christmas
Allegedly paying witness in Morocco to tell journalists that they had seen Madeleine
Running an investigation alongside the official one
Engineering sightings and promting the police to investigate them
Attempting to frame the investigating officer
Discrediting the Pj
Failing to follow up calls to the hotline
Making bogus claims that Madeleine is in a hellish lair and failing to follow it up
Clowning around in Germany
Setting up a bogus company with no resources
Making ridiculous claims about gypsies and letters from dead paedophiles
Destroying the one shred of evidence of abduction by claiming that Jane Tanners bundleman was now a victoria Beckham lookalike

What makes you think that the private investigators hindered the search?

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Post by aiyoyo on 05.03.13 16:21

@sharonl wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:So, as someone on another site has posted,
The money donated by the public to search for Madeleine was in fact used by the McCanns to pay for a set of private detectives to actively hinder the search (! ! )
I wonder why ?

Taking the search away from Portugal and into Morocco
The search of the Arade Dam
We know who took her and will have her home by christmas
Allegedly paying witness in Morocco to tell journalists that they had seen Madeleine
Running an investigation alongside the official one
Engineering sightings and promting the police to investigate them
Attempting to frame the investigating officer
Discrediting the Pj
Failing to follow up calls to the hotline
Making bogus claims that Madeleine is in a hellish lair and failing to follow it up
Clowning around in Germany
Setting up a bogus company with no resources
Making ridiculous claims about gypsies and letters from dead paedophiles
Destroying the one shred of evidence of abduction by claiming that Jane Tanners bundleman was now a victoria Beckham lookalike

What makes you think that the private investigators hindered the search?

Can we take a class action to the civil court against the Mccanns for influencing our opinions with misinformation that they hired a series of private detectives to search when the opposite is true, hence misleading the public?

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Post by plebgate on 05.03.13 16:27

@Lostfridge wrote:
@sharonl wrote:So Marcos Correia used Leonor Cipriano in an attempt to discredit Goncalo Amaral and the Portuguese police, but took an extended break in Brazil failing to defend her when she was caught out.

Now she has a story to tell and absolutely nothing to gain or lose.

Yes, but who will believe her?

Probably nobody and that is what happens when statements are changed.

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Post by PeterMac on 05.03.13 17:42

Oh, dear. The pros are not going to like this. They have based their bile and venom on the belief that this was an unsafe or even a wrongful conviction.
Now they know it isn't, will they accept this ?
Will they now accept that this woman is guilty, not only of involvement in the murder but also of lying ?
Will they accept that they were duped, and taken in ?
No. I thought not.
Which is a pity, because in many ways they are themselves victims. Victims of deceit. Victims of liars.

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Post by sharonl on 05.03.13 18:12

@PeterMac wrote:Oh, dear. The pros are not going to like this. They have based their bile and venom on the belief that this was an unsafe or even a wrongful conviction.
Now they know it isn't, will they accept this ?
Will they now accept that this woman is guilty, not only of involvement in the murder but also of lying ?
Will they accept that they were duped, and taken in ?
No. I thought not.
Which is a pity, because in many ways they are themselves victims. Victims of deceit. Victims of liars.

I agree, the pros are not going to like this one bit, but are they really victims of lies and deceipt? Can we be sure that this was not just a case of the pros deliberately using the situation to discredit the Portuguese police?

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Post by pennylane on 05.03.13 18:35

@sharonl wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Oh, dear. The pros are not going to like this. They have based their bile and venom on the belief that this was an unsafe or even a wrongful conviction.
Now they know it isn't, will they accept this ?
Will they now accept that this woman is guilty, not only of involvement in the murder but also of lying ?
Will they accept that they were duped, and taken in ?
No. I thought not.
Which is a pity, because in many ways they are themselves victims. Victims of deceit. Victims of liars.

I agree, the pros are not going to like this one bit, but are they really victims of lies and deceipt? Can we be sure that this was not just a case of the pros deliberately using the situation to discredit the Portuguese police?

I opt for the latter sharonl.... and I bet they wish like crazy those darn CSI blood and cadaver dogs that alerted to all things McCann, weren't British born, bred and trained.

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Post by happychick on 05.03.13 18:38

@pennylane wrote:
@sharonl wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Oh, dear. The pros are not going to like this. They have based their bile and venom on the belief that this was an unsafe or even a wrongful conviction.
Now they know it isn't, will they accept this ?
Will they now accept that this woman is guilty, not only of involvement in the murder but also of lying ?
Will they accept that they were duped, and taken in ?
No. I thought not.
Which is a pity, because in many ways they are themselves victims. Victims of deceit. Victims of liars.

I agree, the pros are not going to like this one bit, but are they really victims of lies and deceipt? Can we be sure that this was not just a case of the pros deliberately using the situation to discredit the Portuguese police?

I opt for the latter sharonl.... and I bet they wish like crazy those darn CSI blood and cadaver dogs that alerted to all things McCann, weren't British born, bred and trained.

Why? That hasn't stopped them discrediting the dogs.

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Post by pennylane on 05.03.13 18:56

@happychick wrote:
@pennylane wrote:
@sharonl wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Oh, dear. The pros are not going to like this. They have based their bile and venom on the belief that this was an unsafe or even a wrongful conviction.
Now they know it isn't, will they accept this ?
Will they now accept that this woman is guilty, not only of involvement in the murder but also of lying ?
Will they accept that they were duped, and taken in ?
No. I thought not.
Which is a pity, because in many ways they are themselves victims. Victims of deceit. Victims of liars.

I agree, the pros are not going to like this one bit, but are they really victims of lies and deceipt? Can we be sure that this was not just a case of the pros deliberately using the situation to discredit the Portuguese police?

I opt for the latter sharonl.... and I bet they wish like crazy those darn CSI blood and cadaver dogs that alerted to all things McCann, weren't British born, bred and trained.

Why? That hasn't stopped them discrediting the dogs.

My point is that it's an inconvenient truth that sits uncomfortably amid their xenophobic slagging off of the Portuguese, in a vain attempt to claim a pair of dodgy, child neglecting Brits are innocent no matter what.

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Post by Guest on 05.03.13 20:34

Judging by what I've seen on Twitter today it's very much business as usual. As in ...corrupt cop... blah blah... evil scum cop... blah blah... aren't you concerned that a corrupt cop coordinated the investigation?... repeat ad nauseam.

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Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 14.03.13 17:38

Court defers judgment on Faro Leonor Cipriano for April 2

The Faro Court today postponed to April 2nd reading of sentence Leonor Cipriano, arrested for the murder of her daughter Joana, in the case which is charged with making false statements.

The child's mother, who disappeared in the village of Figueira, Portimão, the September 12, 2004, presented different versions of the alleged assault he suffered at the premises of the Judicial Police in Faro that year.

According to judicial sources, the court held that it was necessary to join this process documentary evidence of earlier proceedings in which Leonor Cipriano accused several agents to have beaten during interrogation.

Leonor Cipriano - who, like his brother, meets 16 years in prison for murder and concealment of a corpse - was not required to appear today before the Court of Faro to hear the reading of the judgment.

The contradictory statements were made during the trial of the inspectors who investigated the "Joana case" in 2009, which resulted in the conviction of two of the five defendants in the case.

In its judgment, the collective of judges considered "relevant and flagrant contradictions it incurred" Leonor Cipriano statements that produced the sessions of the trial, although he had the "opportunity to reveal the truth."

The court gave as proven aggression, although without having ascertained the identity of the attackers.

Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the PJ of Portimão, was acquitted of the crime of failure to report abuse and sentenced to a year and a half for the crime of making false allegations, were suspended for the same period.

Inspector Antonio Nunes Cardoso was sentenced to two years and three months for forgery of document, sentence suspended for two years.

The former agents of PJ Paulo Pereira Cristovao Morgado Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom, who were accused of having tortured Leonor Cipriano in interrogations conducted in Faro PJ, were acquitted.
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