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Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by david_uk on 06.02.13 10:01

So! Is it possible that the Mccanns will soon have 2 or 3 Libel cases coming up??

Is Pat Brown taking any action against them?

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by russiandoll on 06.02.13 10:05

Are the McCanns taking action against John Stalker for saying [ documented] that they are hiding a big secret? He certainly did not suggest that they were involved in any way in Maddie's disappearance, but he has accused them of dishonesty, quite something and from which a lot could be inferred.

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by Cristobell on 06.02.13 16:16

@T4two wrote:Oh dear! 'Slur' in inverted commas - whatever next?

I think without the inverted commas they would be libelling Tony, and everyone would get dizzy.

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Post by iluvpelageya on 07.03.13 2:31

I am not a lawyer, so perhaps someone who is can confirm this or otherwise.

Anything said or read out in open court can be quoted in any publication. It is free from copyright and free from defamation proceedings - well, successful defamation proceedings.

This would imply - would it not? - that if A called B a bounder and a thief in open court, then this could be quoted, and there is nothing B could do about it.

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by Guest on 07.03.13 14:29

I believe that is true or wouldn't there be problems with the limited coverage of Judge T's statement in which he reported the things that Tony was told he should not do?

I also understand that anything can be said in the Houses of Parliament with no legal repercussions.

If I am wrong, I'm happy to be corrected - only verbally please, I don't go for anything else!

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Post by aiyoyo on 07.03.13 14:37

@david_uk wrote:Is it possible to write a book written by a large collection of forum members? I wonder if the Mccanns would still take 30 Plus people to court?!. Not that I would be any good at writing, I could however provide the cover and illustrations! Wink

If it comes to that, we can ask simple questions and have this compiled into a long list as appendix to the book. I am sure more than 30 people can come up with at least one simple question for the mccanns.

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by Guest on 07.03.13 14:42

ok aiyoyo you convinced me!

My question to Kate and Gerry McCann would be:
"Why Madeleine?"

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by aiyoyo on 07.03.13 14:51

Why did you suspend the search?

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by Cristobell on 07.03.13 15:42

@russiandoll wrote:Are the McCanns taking action against John Stalker for saying [ documented] that they are hiding a big secret? He certainly did not suggest that they were involved in any way in Maddie's disappearance, but he has accused them of dishonesty, quite something and from which a lot could be inferred.


I think that would be a matter of semantics Russiandoll, as the statement is too vague and can be interpreted in several ways.

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NO TURNING BACK

Post by Cristobell on 07.03.13 16:11

Someone on the Jill Havern forum asked if evidence given in open Court can be published without fear of libel. Good question. During the January 2010 book banning trial in Lisbon, the proceedings were reported live on the net - Sky News I believe and via twitter. We were basically given live streaming of what was going on in the Court. It was hugely damaging to TM (Team McCann) and there are several short videos of a very angry Gerry outside the Court, and he flew back to Rothley, leaving Kate, halfway through! Goncalo Amaral had many good witnesses, and evidence came out, that it was in fact the British police who advised them to investigate the parents.

Six years on, an angry ex detective has been quietly building his case with ever growing public support, while the parents have been making enemies in very high places. The press that had served them so well in the past, hold grudges, as do Home Secretaries. Their need (or greed) for that £1.2m from the honourable gentleman has taken them past the point of no return.

In my book Cry and You Cry Alone, I have given an indepth account of my 3 day trial against the Catholic Church, and the trauma of one and half days in the witness box. I wrote my book immediately after the trial, knowing that everything I had said was proved to be true, and my publishers knew it too, as they had full access to all the Court documents. I had no fear getting into that witness box, and I have a gut feeling Dr. Amaral is now feeling the same, because the truth destroys the lie every time.

Yes indeed court proceedings are open to the public, and I have a feeling it will be standing room only.

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by iluvpelageya on 07.03.13 21:01

Jean wrote:I believe that is true or wouldn't there be problems with the limited coverage of Judge T's statement in which he reported the things that Tony was told he should not do?

I also understand that anything can be said in the Houses of Parliament with no legal repercussions.

If I am wrong, I'm happy to be corrected - only verbally please, I don't go for anything else!

Thanks for the reply, Jean. I forgot about the Parliamentary Privilege. The only anti-McC MP I can think of is George Galloway. I wonder if he has ever said anything on the subject in Pariament. And has anything ever been said on the subject in the House of Lords?

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Post by onthecase on 07.03.13 21:03

My question would be, why did you say the windows had been jemmied? why didnt you answer 48 questions, and why did you refuse a lie detector? Now i know that is 3questions but hey,, there are at 103 i could ask.

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Post by Guest on 07.03.13 21:12

@onthecase wrote:My question would be, why did you say the windows had been jemmied? why didnt you answer 48 questions, and why did you refuse a lie detector? Now i know that is 3questions but hey,, there are at 103 i could ask.

There is actually a thread at the top of this latest news forum, a sticky, 'Questions for the McCanns'

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3557-questions-for-the-mccanns

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by Casey5 on 08.03.13 14:13

onthecase Yesterday at 9:03 pm

My
question would be, why did you say the windows had been jemmied? why
didnt you answer 48 questions, and why did you refuse a lie detector?
Now i know that is 3questions but hey,, there are at 103 i could ask.

The McCanns never actually said "in public or to the police" that the shutters had been jemmied. They certainly did phone their relatives and friends in the UK and say this as 4 different people were on TV on the morning of 4th May saying that the shutters had been jemmied, the window forced and Madeleine taken.
The McCanns have always imparted information in this way so they cannot be personally blamed, it would be classed as hearsay possibly in a court of law. It doesn't appear in their statements either.
But many of the public remember the TV statements and take them as gospel. That's how the McCanns work.

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Post by Miraflores on 08.03.13 14:55

I always think the lie detector question is a bit irrelevant because we don't use them in either the UK or Portugal, so to me that would seem a bit like play acting, or pretending you are in an American crime drama.

But as to why they immediately told their families that the shutters had been jemmied and that Madeleine had been abducted by peadophiles is beyond me.

Just adding - maybe they told their families about the jemmied shutters before the 'abduction' and before there was chance to break them. Once the story was out, it was too late to retract it.

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Re: Daily Star: Tony:- "The McCanns are powerless to stop others making the same allegations as him"

Post by celtclogs on 08.03.13 16:56

@aiyoyo wrote:
@david_uk wrote:Is it possible to write a book written by a large collection of forum members? I wonder if the Mccanns would still take 30 Plus people to court?!. Not that I would be any good at writing, I could however provide the cover and illustrations! Wink

If it comes to that, we can ask simple questions and have this compiled into a long list as appendix to the book. I am sure more than 30 people can come up with at least one simple question for the mccanns.

This is mine, what was keeping you so busy that night that was more important than looking for your little daughter

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