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Post by TheSilentMajority on 06.02.13 13:50

Hi all
I saw a tweet about Mr Bennett and navigated my way here to see what’s going on [terrific forum for information by the way]. I’m shocked but not surprised at the latest news. I was interested in this case years ago but threw in the towel because the PR manipulation, political interference and sycophantic media became more than I could stomach. Though it’s a bit late in the day I joined up today to send my good wishes to Mr Bennett and hope all goes well for him. I tried to do so yesterday but eventually had to give up because the forum was overloaded or something. Mr Bennett is the only one in the UK who has had the guts to take this lot on and he deserves the utmost respect for putting himself on the line in an attempt to expose the obvious [to most of us] corruption in this case. The Maddie case is a crucial matter of public interest, not only because of the missing child but for a multitude of other important reasons. This was most definitely a job for the media but it failed dismally in its duty.

British Justice = Loads of Dosh. Sad but true.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 06.02.13 17:14

@TheSilentMajority wrote:Hi all
I saw a tweet about Mr Bennett and navigated my way here to see what’s going on [terrific forum for information by the way]. I’m shocked but not surprised at the latest news. I was interested in this case years ago but threw in the towel because the PR manipulation, political interference and sycophantic media became more than I could stomach. Though it’s a bit late in the day I joined up today to send my good wishes to Mr Bennett and hope all goes well for him. I tried to do so yesterday but eventually had to give up because the forum was overloaded or something. Mr Bennett is the only one in the UK who has had the guts to take this lot on and he deserves the utmost respect for putting himself on the line in an attempt to expose the obvious [to most of us] corruption in this case. The Maddie case is a crucial matter of public interest, not only because of the missing child but for a multitude of other important reasons. This was most definitely a job for the media but it failed dismally in its duty.

British Justice = Loads of Dosh. Sad but true.



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Post by russiandoll on 22.02.13 15:54

Welcome from me. It is never too late to get involved in discussion and give your opinions.

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Post by onion on 22.02.13 16:38

Hang in there!

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Post by celtclogs on 22.02.13 18:21

@cabhorse wrote:This is my first post to say you have my support and thanks for fighting for freedom of speech and justice for Maddy Mccann


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Post by Guest on 22.02.13 22:34


One of my very favourite songs.

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Post by Guest on 22.02.13 22:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4vME0d1w8

Tony being my age, he "must" appreciate this version

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Post by plebgate on 23.02.13 10:55

Saltnpepper that was a lovely post - Walk on with hope in your heart. Very moving song.
Keep strong all who are fighting for justice for a little girl left alone in that apartment so many years ago and hasn't been seen since. So very, very sad.

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Post by Guest on 23.02.13 12:26

I haven't been able to post over the last few days, I feel so angry and confused.

I don't think it was part of the McSpin's plan to ever send Tony to prison. It would have hurt their campaign. But instead they showed mercy and tolerance toward the man who was responsible for "cruel slurs" and "false information". So the tide of anger will turn once again and people will concede they're not such a bad couple after all.

How can we live in a world where this is allowed to happen? I don't think it's about the court costs, it's simply a good investment in ensuring Tony doesn't have the resources to challenge them any further and silence him for good.

I often wonder how the families feel. They scrimped and saved to send them to college so they could better themselves in the world. But instead they've used their unfortunate daughter to make it in the world and offered her up on a plate on P 129.

I wish I had the courage to do what Tony did. Not forgetting that some others revealed their identities to stand beside him. I don't think this is the end. There is too much at stake.

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Post by russiandoll on 23.02.13 14:56

Finn, you said : " But instead they showed mercy and tolerance toward the man who was
responsible for "cruel slurs" and "false information". So the tide of
anger will turn once again and people will concede they're not such a
bad couple after all."

The McCanns had nothing to do with the sentencing of TB, regardless of any media statements made by a mouthpiece. The judge applied the law and their views did not have any bearing on his decision. Will many people believe that a suspended sentence was handed down because of the McCann's wishes?

What the judge said about TB'S theory in court was reported by the mainstream press, people who have not heard about TB will be inclined to read about him , some even more curious will end up navigating the blogs and foruma dedicated to the Maddie case. This is not going to go away because one man was gagged imo.

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Post by Angelique on 23.02.13 16:09

I agree that TB has paid dearly to simply help find out the Truth and it must in some way have progressed us nearer to finding out what happened to Madeleine by being able to state in Court his reasons in his defence.

However, I do think their statement that " they did not wish to imprison TB" comng at the time it did was simply PR for public consumption. They will now forever be able to say the didn't want imprisonment even though they started committal proceedings in the first place, this will be lost on the majority of the general public.


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Post by sallypelt on 23.02.13 16:15

Again, without digging out the actual text, didn't the McCann's say "they would leave it to the court to decide" when it came to Tony's sentence? That doesn't sound like someone NOT wanting Tony to go to jail

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Post by plebgate on 23.02.13 18:22

Good post Sallypelt.

As one of our astute posters pointed out earlier this week - she wants Mr. A. to feel fear but wants to show compassion to TB after having started commital proceedings. Eerrrrrr I don't get the "logic" of it.

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Post by JackieL on 23.02.13 18:37

After a long break away from following the case, I felt compelled to follow it again having learnt of Tony's dire situation and seen the odious diatribe against free speech by the McCanns on the Andrew Marr show.

Since then I watched the videos of the McCanns at the Leveson Inquiry on here (which I had studiously avoided until now).

No matter how often I see it happen, I am always shocked by the ingratiating deference shown to the couple. Leveson was practically bowing and scraping in front of them. Why? Is it some of that traditional deference reserved for doctors? Is it because none of the powerful people who meet them know none of the details behind the sordid story of child negligence and have failed to read Kate's vindicative and spiteful account of events in which she seems to blame everyone but herself for Madeleine's fate?

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Post by jay2001 on 23.02.13 19:42

Finn - I agree with you about feeling so low over the last couple of days. Goodness only knows how Tony must feel.

Chatelaine - I'm Tony's age and sadly think of Gerry and the Pacemakers version! Saw Lesley Garrett singing it in Carousel a couple of years ago - and sobbed in the stalls. Great stuff.

JackieL - can only think the fawning, bowing and scraping by 'celebs' is because they haven't much knowledge of the case. Most are so shallow and only believe the pinkpr spin in the press and doubt if any have read the bewk. They just think it's parents with a tragic loss. Which it is and more.

Hope Tony can recharge and not read the bile written by morons.

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Post by mydadsanastronaut on 23.02.13 20:22

@jay2001 wrote:Finn - I agree with you about feeling so low over the last couple of days. Goodness only knows how Tony must feel.

Chatelaine - I'm Tony's age and sadly think of Gerry and the Pacemakers version! Saw Lesley Garrett singing it in Carousel a couple of years ago - and sobbed in the stalls. Great stuff.

JackieL - can only think the fawning, bowing and scraping by 'celebs' is because they haven't much knowledge of the case. Most are so shallow and only believe the pinkpr spin in the press and doubt if any have read the bewk. They just think it's parents with a tragic loss. Which it is and more.

Hope Tony can recharge and not read the bile written by morons.

I second what you say jay.

With regard to the obsequious performances given by 'celebs', well, I comfort myself that when the truth is finally revealed, they will suffer the deepest humiliation and feelings of shame at having been so publically hoodwinked on national television.

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Post by Guest on 23.02.13 20:51

@Jay
I've started a post 3-4 times and it's gone into oblivion every time.
So: short version, have a look at this ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0Ru_1zPVk


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Post by Nina on 23.02.13 20:57

Châtelaine wrote:@Jay
I've started a post 3-4 times and it's gone into oblivion every time.
So: short version, have a look at this ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0Ru_1zPVk


That really choked me up, but in a nice way. Very moving.

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Post by WindsorBlue on 23.02.13 21:15

I will ask a question and hopefully someone with a legal mind can help. Could Tony Bennett appeal against the courts decision, or is it binding?

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Post by Guest on 23.02.13 21:23

@WindsorBlue wrote:I will ask a question and hopefully someone with a legal mind can help. Could Tony Bennett appeal against the courts decision, or is it binding?
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I'm no legal eagle, but I'd say: No. He cannot appeal. But he can try and have his undertakings lifted or changed IMO. I also have the feeling that the judge might be open to that. After all, he sentenced Tony on only 13 breaches out of the hundreds, which the claimants brought forward ... Also many other phrasings in his sentence [I've posted them elsewhere here a couple of days ago] clearly indicate IMO that he has serious doubts about the veracity of the McCs.

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Post by Guest on 23.02.13 21:24

@Nina wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:@Jay
I've started a post 3-4 times and it's gone into oblivion every time.
So: short version, have a look at this ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0Ru_1zPVk


That really choked me up, but in a nice way. Very moving.
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Post by sharonl on 23.02.13 21:26

Châtelaine wrote:
@WindsorBlue wrote:I will ask a question and hopefully someone with a legal mind can help. Could Tony Bennett appeal against the courts decision, or is it binding?
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I'm no legal eagle, but I'd say: No. He cannot appeal. But he can try and have his undertakings lifted or changed IMO. I also have the feeling that the judge might be open to that. After all, he sentenced Tony on only 13 breaches out of the hundreds, which the claimants brought forward ... Also many other phrasings in his sentence [I've posted them elsewhere here a couple of days ago] clearly indicate IMO that he has serious doubts about the veracity of the McCs.
Tony has 30 days to appeal - see below:

The Contempt of Courts Act, 1971


19. Appeals -


(1) An appeal shall lie as of right from any order to decision of High Court in the exercise of its jurisdiction to punish for contempt-

(a) Where the order or decision is that of a single judge, to a Bench of not less than two Judges of the Court.

(b) Where the order or decision is that of a Bench, to the Supreme Court.
Provided that where the order or decision is that of the Court of the Judicial Commissioner in any Union territory, such appeal shall lie to the Supreme Court.

(2) Pending any appeal. The appellate court may order that-
(a) The execution of the punishment or order appealed against be suspended

(b) If the appellant is in confinement, he be released on bail, and
(c) The appeal be heard notwithstanding that the appellant has not purged his contempt.

(3) Where any person aggrieved by any order against which an appeal may be filed satisfied the High Court that he intends to prefer an appeal, the High Court may also exercise all or any of the powers conferred by sub section (2).

(4) An appeal under sub section (1) shall be filed-

(a) In the case of an appeal to a Bench of the High Court, within thirty days.

(b) In the case of an appeal to the Supreme Court, within sixty days, from the date of the order appealed against.

COMMENTS

(a) When thee High Court acquits the contemner, no appeal lies; Subhash Chandra v.B.R. Kakkar, (1992) 2 Punj Lr 46 (P & H).

(ii) If the order of committal for contempt of court is made -

(b) By a single Judge of the High Court, an appeal lies to a Division Bench thereof; or

(c) By a Division Bench of the High Court, an appeal lies to the Supreme Court, As of a statutory right; Mohammad Idris v.R.J. Babuji, (1984) 2 Crimes 880 (SC).

(iii) It is not each and every order passed during the contempt proceedings that is appealable; S.P. Wahi v.Surendra Singh, 1983 Cr LJ 1426.

(iv) An Appeal does not automatically operate as a stay of the order appealed against; Hans Raj v.State of Himachal Pradesh, 1985 Cr LJ 1030.

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Post by Guest on 23.02.13 21:33

@sharonl wrote:Tony has 30 days to appeal - see below:

The Contempt of Courts Act, 1971


19. Appeals -


(1) An appeal shall lie as of right from any order to decision of High Court in the exercise of its jurisdiction to punish for contempt-

(a) Where the order or decision is that of a single judge, to a Bench of not less than two Judges of the Court.

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Post by plebgate on 23.02.13 21:34

Costs money to appeal I imagine.
Has Tony looked at contacting Liberty. He has human rights and a link was posted today to a case very similar to TBs, i.e. ECHR ruled that two people should have received legal aid and not had to represent themselves. Sorry can't remember what thread it was on.

Liberty are very good fighters for breaches of human rights. Might be worth a try.

I cannot get over the unfairness of Tony's plight.

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