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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 13:58

Daily Rag today: It's him! Richard III dug up from under a Leicester (!) carpark.

That's ever so inspiring; now, in 2013, scientists from Leicester University managed to conclude from DNA samples taken from the skeleton and the Kings maternal kin 26 times removed, that the skeleton found indeed belonged to the famous vilain.

Now, wouldn't it have been nice, if in this same 21st century, Leicester University would have been chosen to research the provenance of the hairs and 'bodily fluids' found in the McCs hired Renault Scenic?

Clearly, they would have been perfectly up to that momentous task. And much closer to home too.

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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 14:00

Just seen this on twitter which explains the find:

Keith ‏@FixitpcKeith

K & G #McCann say DNA evidence of Richard III not reliable… probably from someone’s leaking shopping or used nappies!

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Post by PeterMac on 04.02.13 14:18

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/The-skull-crowned-King-Richard-III-DNA-analysis-shows-body-Leicester-car-park-IS-Plantagenet-King.html

Richard III remains an enigma - villain to many, hero to some. He ruled England between 1483 and 1485, during the decades-long tussle over the throne known as the Wars of the Roses. His brief reign saw liberal reforms, including introduction of the right to bail and the lifting of restrictions on books and printing presses.

How he would have wept to see what is happening, in his Kingdom, in the name of the Crown, half a millenium later.

Or perhaps it is an omen ?

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Post by mydadsanastronaut on 04.02.13 14:22

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/The-skull-crowned-King-Richard-III-DNA-analysis-shows-body-Leicester-car-park-IS-Plantagenet-King.html

Richard III remains an enigma - villain to many, hero to some. He ruled England between 1483 and 1485, during the decades-long tussle over the throne known as the Wars of the Roses. His brief reign saw liberal reforms, including introduction of the right to bail and the lifting of restrictions on books and printing presses.

How he would have wept to see what is happening, in his Kingdom, in the name of the Crown, half a millenium later.

Or perhaps it is an omen ?

Yes, a long-buried secret has at last yielded itself to the light in Leicestershire. Richard III, obviously.

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Post by monkey mind on 04.02.13 14:23

I feel sure it is Richard II

It has to be.

They didn't find a horse.

Everyone knows he was looking for a horse.

So it must be him.

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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 14:58

There's a programme on at 21.00 today on Channel 4 about the discovery of the skeleton - presumably updated at the end with the latest news.

Let's hope it doesn't take so long for other things to be unearthed in that county.

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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 15:08

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/The-skull-crowned-King-Richard-III-DNA-analysis-shows-body-Leicester-car-park-IS-Plantagenet-King.html

Richard III remains an enigma - villain to many, hero to some. He ruled England between 1483 and 1485, during the decades-long tussle over the throne known as the Wars of the Roses. His brief reign saw liberal reforms, including introduction of the right to bail and the lifting of restrictions on books and printing presses.

How he would have wept to see what is happening, in his Kingdom, in the name of the Crown, half a millenium later.

Or perhaps it is an omen ?

Not quite my hero, but a really convincing guy that one; look how he woed & wed poor Katherine, having just killed her nearest & dearest.

Ah, those golden days of yore where feats like that weren not frowned upon by the parties involved, only by the media (going by the name of Billy Shakespeare, and his ilk)

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Post by PeterMac on 04.02.13 17:17

@monkey mind wrote:I feel sure it is Richard II
It has to be.
They didn't find a horse.
Everyone knows he was looking for a horse.
So it must be him.

There's always one ! ! ! Mr Mr Mr Mr Mr

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Post by russiandoll on 04.02.13 17:52

Monkey Mind you are seriously funny.......

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Post by bristow on 04.02.13 19:44

Fascinating stuff.

Fairly near to where I live is a ruined church called St Marys of Eastwell, intriguing place.
In the churchyard is a grave said to contain the remains of Richard Plantagenet, natural illegitimate son of Richard lll. The enscription on the side says REPUTED TO BE
THE TOMB OF
RICHARD
PLANTAGENET

Documents more or less prove this theory that he is buried there.

Richard visited his father just before the battle of Bosworth.
here's a fairly good link http://www.kentresources.co.uk/eastwell-sm2.htm

So here in a country churchyard in Kent we have the rightful King, or the last of the Plantagenets as he is known around these ere' parts.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 04.02.13 23:09

wft lol!

its a nice sign if you believe in that stuff

The king was in favour of freedom Of speech

Mr justice tomorrow is in favour of it

Nice going

It would be GREAT if a lying couple of millionaires who want to bankrupt an old man with the PRETENCE that they Re looking for their kid Nd he has stopped them, LOST in front of a fair intelligent and learned judge and IMO that is what is gonnA happen, x



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Post by mydadsanastronaut on 05.02.13 8:32

Poor old Richard.

It turns out that the image of him as a pinch-faced, hunch-backed malefactor was most likely put about by Tudor propagandists.

Analysis of his bones indicated that he had a scoliosis, but it was certainly not hugely dramatic. Orthopaedic surgeons confirmed that his arms would have had no disparity in length.

His portrait appeared to have been altered to make his hands more claw-like and his back more hunched and his arms of differing lengths.It was unlikely he would have dragged himself along a la Larry Olivier's portrayal.

The reconstruction of his facial features using his skull indicated a rather pleasant looking individual, not the mean faced tyrant of the portrait.

The Tudors appeared to have commissioned artists and writers to somewhat tarnish his image, to make theirs all the more shiny. A nasty little reverse PR campaign, if you will.

It seems that it has always been the case that "Facts can be changed".

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Post by bristow on 08.02.13 16:32

@bristow wrote:Fascinating stuff.

Fairly near to where I live is a ruined church called St Marys of Eastwell, intriguing place.
In the churchyard is a grave said to contain the remains of Richard Plantagenet, natural illegitimate son of Richard lll. The enscription on the side says REPUTED TO BE
THE TOMB OF
RICHARD
PLANTAGENET

Documents more or less prove this theory that he is buried there.

Richard visited his father just before the battle of Bosworth.
here's a fairly good link http://www.kentresources.co.uk/eastwell-sm2.htm

So here in a country churchyard in Kent we have the rightful King, or the last of the Plantagenets as he is known around these ere' parts.

Sounds like there is a possibility that this grave might be excavated too, hope so, it's been spoken about for over 400 years locally!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-21366578

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Post by bobbin on 08.02.13 16:46

@bristow wrote:
@bristow wrote:Fascinating stuff.

Fairly near to where I live is a ruined church called St Marys of Eastwell, intriguing place.
In the churchyard is a grave said to contain the remains of Richard Plantagenet, natural illegitimate son of Richard lll. The enscription on the side says REPUTED TO BE
THE TOMB OF
RICHARD
PLANTAGENET

Documents more or less prove this theory that he is buried there.

Richard visited his father just before the battle of Bosworth.
here's a fairly good link http://www.kentresources.co.uk/eastwell-sm2.htm

So here in a country churchyard in Kent we have the rightful King, or the last of the Plantagenets as he is known around these ere' parts.

Sounds like there is a possibility that this grave might be excavated too, hope so, it's been spoken about for over 400 years locally!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-21366578

That is fascinating Bristow, please keep us posted, and how lovely to have 'friends' for churches who may have seen happier days.
So much history, and all there for DNA analysis too.

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