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First trial for heresy in Britain since 1563

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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.13 9:53

First trial for Heresy since 1563

The first trial for Heresy in England since the reformation opens tomorrow in London.
Such is the importance that a judge has been sought who is of Great Virtue, [ Tugend as it is rendered in German. Ed.]

Because there are no recent examples of a full trial for Heresy, it has been necessary to go back to the records to try to explain the procedure.

This is from a contemporary account -
“In the reign of Katherine, Protestants were executed for refusing to accept that the Pope was the head of the church. Others were executed for reading the English Bible.
However, the most common cause of heresy was The Most sacred Doctrine of Teleportation. Catholics believed that a person could move from one place to another instantaneously, silently, and without leaving a physical trace. Protestants who refused to believe this miracle happened were in danger of being executed.”

The account continues

The prisoner shall be taken to the Bar and have a great weight heaped upon him.
[This is believed to be a form of Peine Forte et Dure Ed. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peine_forte_et_dure)]


The Claimants have determined that the weight shall be 288 pounds of Gold.
[Note: in the manuscript the weight is given as 288,503 pounds, but this is clearly an error by a clerk. He probably meant to put 288.5,
288,500 pounds of gold would be insupportable by any human, and is greater than all the Gold to be found within the Kingdom.]

2 full days shall he endure this pressure

If he live he shall then be taken to a public place and in a loud voice shall be forced to repent, saying in loud voice so that all shall hear -

Amaral in errorum est
Grime in errorum est
Keela et Eddie in errorum erant
Harrison in errorum est
Omnes Lusitanos Custodies in errorum sunt
Totius mundi iniuram est. Salve Filii Canna !
Fabula mia falsum est

Mea culpa, mea maxima Culpa.

Veredictum filius Canna
[English - Can-son , Scottish Mc Can] primus fabulum [first story]
Veredictum filius Canna secundus fabula
Veredictum filius Canna tertius fabula
Veredictum Santissima Catharinae omnes fabulae
Reprehensibilis erat”

He will then be broken apart.



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Post by Woofer on 03.02.13 9:59

[Note: in the manuscript the weight is given as 288,500 pounds, but this is clearly an error by a clerk. He probably meant to put 288.5,

CR`s fees £288,503.




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Re: First trial for heresy in Britain since 1563

Post by PeterMac on 03.02.13 10:03

@Woofer wrote:[Note: in the manuscript the weight is given as 288,500 pounds, but this is clearly an error by a clerk. He probably meant to put 288.5,
CR`s fees £288,503.

Manuscript now photoshopped.

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Post by Guest on 03.02.13 10:17

The heresy case opens on Tuesday not Monday but otherwise an accurate report!

This whole bundle of excrement really is like something out of the Dark Ages.

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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.13 10:19

Jean wrote:The heresy case opens on Tuesday not Monday but otherwise an accurate report!
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Well don't read it until tomorrow then Mr

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Post by monkey mind on 03.02.13 10:26

big grin

Excellent. Very clever, very skillfully crafted Peter.

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Post by monkey mind on 03.02.13 10:46

@PeterMac wrote:
Jean wrote:The heresy case opens on Tuesday not Monday but otherwise an accurate report!
.
Well don't read it until tomorrow then Mr

Quando tuus es vermis foramen
qui dederit cacas circa tempore et spatio...??

http://translate.google.co.uk/#la/en/quando%20tuus%20es%20vermis%20foramen%0D%0Aqui%20dederit%20cacas%20circa%20tempore%20et%20spatio



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Post by Guest on 03.02.13 10:55

PeterMac, Monkey Mind:

ROFL!!!!!!!!

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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.13 11:01

@monkey mind wrote: big grin
Excellent. Very clever, very skillfully crafted Peter.
Thank you, wise monkey. (The two pictures were woodcuts of a man being crushed with large rocks, and another being broken on the rack)

How I wish it were not true, but the whole issue does seem to have more to do with Heresy than with the English laws of defamation.
It is dealing with belief, not fact. Assertion, not evidence.
The "Abduction" is an article of Faith, not of externally verifiable evidence.
It is an article of faith which depends for its power on 'scriptures' in the sense of a discrete and small collection of written things.
It seeks to convert by the technique of constant repetition, insistence that it is the only Truth, and then by the application of force, in this case financial.
And it seeks to punish apostates or heretics.

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Post by tigger on 03.02.13 11:43

Which for me calls to mind the great Auto da Fe scene in the opera Don Carlo by Verdi.

Believing the version of the truth according to the McCanns seems to be an article of faith not one of rational discussion.


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Post by Mirage on 03.02.13 11:52

Peter Mac and Monkey Mind - I cannot resist a "Quantus tremor est futurus, quando judex est venturus, cuncta stricte discussurus!"

Let's hope it is so for the McCanns.


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Post by statsman on 03.02.13 11:54

Another aspect of the Inquisition I think is relevant here is that, if you associated with someone accused of heresy, then you also were regarded as contaminated with heresy and could be put to the rack.

It was a classic way of isolating people from anyone who didn't openly profess the 'true faith' and it was in your interest to make sure that everybody knew that you were a true believer.

Not thinking of any particular newspapers in particular but ...


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Post by aquila on 03.02.13 11:55

For anyone like me who is uneducated, unsophisticated, uncultured and occasionally uncouth - my take on it is -

'play ball with us or we'll stick the bat up your bum'.

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Post by statsman on 03.02.13 12:09

aquila says

For anyone like me who is uneducated, unsophisticated, uncultured and occasionally uncouth

Sorry if this is a little off topic, but it's a funny story that I like to tell. It also happens to be true.

I had a friend who went for an interview with the RAF and the next day I asked him if he got accepted by them..

He said "No", and when I asked him what went wrong he said that they had told him. "I'm sorry Mr Paterson but it's your attitude. To be honest, we find you abrasive, aggressive and a trifle uncouth."

"And what did you say to that?" I asked him.

He said that he told them that he took exception to that remark, as he never did anything by trifles...


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Post by Nina on 03.02.13 12:35

@aquila wrote:For anyone like me who is uneducated, unsophisticated, uncultured and occasionally uncouth - my take on it is -

'play ball with us or we'll stick the bat up your bum'.

Aquila, I am with you from the frist word 'for', right to the last word 'bum'. dance

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Post by Guest on 03.02.13 15:52

@PeterMac wrote:First trial for Heresy since 1563

The first trial for Heresy in England since the reformation opens tomorrow in London.
Such is the importance that a judge has been sought who is of Great Virtue, [ Tugend as it is rendered in German. Ed.]

Because there are no recent examples of a full trial for Heresy, it has been necessary to go back to the records to try to explain the procedure.

This is from a contemporary account -
“In the reign of Katherine, Protestants were executed for refusing to accept that the Pope was the head of the church. Others were executed for reading the English Bible.
However, the most common cause of heresy was The Most sacred Doctrine of Teleportation. Catholics believed that a person could move from one place to another instantaneously, silently, and without leaving a physical trace. Protestants who refused to believe this miracle happened were in danger of being executed.”

The account continues

The prisoner shall be taken to the Bar and have a great weight heaped upon him.
[This is believed to be a form of Peine Forte et Dure Ed. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peine_forte_et_dure)]


The Claimants have determined that the weight shall be 288 pounds of Gold.
[Note: in the manuscript the weight is given as 288,503 pounds, but this is clearly an error by a clerk. He probably meant to put 288.5,
288,500 pounds of gold would be insupportable by any human, and is greater than all the Gold to be found within the Kingdom.]

2 full days shall he endure this pressure

If he live he shall then be taken to a public place and in a loud voice shall be forced to repent, saying in loud voice so that all shall hear -

Amaral in errorum est
Grime in errorum est
Keela et Eddie in errorum erant
Harrison in errorum est
Omnes Lusitanos Custodies in errorum sunt
Totius mundi iniuram est. Salve Filii Canna !
Fabula mia falsum est

Mea culpa, mea maxima Culpa.

Veredictum filius Canna
[English - Can-son , Scottish Mc Can] primus fabulum [first story]
Veredictum filius Canna secundus fabula
Veredictum filius Canna tertius fabula
Veredictum Santissima Catharinae omnes fabulae
Reprehensibilis erat”

He will then be broken apart.




PeterMac, you outdid yourself!

You first had me there: Queen Katharine = Catharine = Catarina, of course.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, the last Catarina was Charles II's, or was she? Or in future perhaps the Middelton one?

I figured out you'd meant Bloody Mary, but she was a Mary, not a Cat.
Having figured that out, it suddenly dawned on me.

Ok, ok. Now I get it.

It was not bloody Mary;
it was not the Inquistion;
it was not the Middle Ages, or the Restoration or what have you

If all of these it's not: then what unusual spectacle are we witnessing today (tomorrow, day after)?
Scotland & Scouseland cannot be THAT far behind the rest of the World, or can they?

A word of reassurance would be much appreciated!

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Post by Montclair on 03.02.13 17:26

The McCanns also tried their own "Auto da Fé" when in their original injunction in Portugal they asked that all of the copies of Gonçalo Amaral's book "A Verdade da Mentira" be destroyed immediately but thankfully the judge did not accept that demand.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 03.02.13 17:28

LOL@ you Pete. Excellent. This reminds me of buildafires posts on the 3as and the dances of deception.!

Portia, I think Katarina might refer to Kate Mc

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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.13 19:21

Only the facts have been changed, to protect the innocent !

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Post by sonic72 on 03.02.13 20:07

The Judge should ask the Mccanns to prove Maddy was abducted, only when they do that can they ever claim the search is being harmed.

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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.13 22:03

@sonic72 wrote:The Judge should ask the Mccanns to prove Maddy was abducted, only when they do that can they ever claim the search is being harmed.
Wash your mouth out !
Disgraceful !
It MUST have been harmed. Look at the state of the "Fund". That is all you need to know !

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Post by Humanist on 04.02.13 19:23

First and last.

I think the nuts have been turned and it is now a question of the wheels coming off.

Tony, I wish you and Madeleine strength and the most positive outcome for justice.

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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 19:37

@Inspectorfrost wrote:LOL@ you Pete. Excellent. This reminds me of buildafires posts on the 3as and the dances of deception.!

Portia, I think Katarina might refer to Kate Mc


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Post by Guest on 04.02.13 19:41

@Humanist wrote:First and last.

I think the nuts have been turned and it is now a question of the wheels coming off.

Tony, I wish you and Madeleine strength and the most positive outcome for justice.



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Post by PeterMac on 04.02.13 21:23

A later part of the manuscript has been discovered.
The case is brought by a common man. He is not a member of the Inns of Court.
He is but a common Carter.
His vile trade is to collect and distribute ordure from the City, and spread it throughout the land.
That is a fascinating historical insight.
It is clear that for that reason he was known at that time as the Muck Carter.
In later centuries the family affected more sophisticated ways and hyphenated the name, changing the ordure order of the words
and are were gradually more widely known as Carter-Muck.

Later still, court records include another misprint, and the modern name is the one adopted by the present generation.
They still remain, at heart, people who trade in ordure.

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