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Lord McAlpine to sue Sally Bercow over the ‘damage and distress’

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Post by Guest on 24.05.13 11:49

@ShuBob wrote:It's proved a very expensive tweet indeed. She should have known better and capitulated at the first hurdle when challenged IMO. She may have to do a few more reality tv shows to recover financially from this.
Weren't her lawyers Carter Ruck?

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Post by ShuBob on 24.05.13 11:50

I believe so Candyfloss.

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Post by Guest on 24.05.13 11:51

Yes indeed! Not one of their finer moments - but I could say that as well in relation to someone else....

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Post by Woofer on 24.05.13 11:54

candyfloss wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:It's proved a very expensive tweet indeed. She should have known better and capitulated at the first hurdle when challenged IMO. She may have to do a few more reality tv shows to recover financially from this.
Weren't her lawyers Carter Ruck?

Ah - that`s probably why she didn`t win - they`re hardly promoters of free speech are they.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.05.13 12:56

Cherry Blossom wrote:JUDGEMENT IN FULL

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2013/1342.html
Yes, Carter-Ruck represented the loser in this case.

She was also represented by two barristers:

William McCormick QC & David Mitchell (instructed by Carter Ruck) for the
Defendant.


And all the result of a 100-character 'tweet'.

The case does at least have one potential benefit.

We should hear a lot less than we have done from Sally Bercow

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Post by PeterMac on 24.05.13 13:28

Yet another case which decided on whether something was defamatory.
Not whether it was true !

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Post by PeterMac on 24.05.13 13:29

If in doubt, see the deleted wikipedia entry.

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Post by Guest on 24.05.13 13:50

Bill Roache, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford and all the others roped in for questioning and / or charged with historic offences must wonder why it was good enough for Lord A to say "it wasn't me guv" but not for them.

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Post by ShuBob on 24.05.13 13:58

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Bill Roache, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford and all the others roped in for questioning and / or charged with historic offences must wonder why it was good enough for Lord A to say "it wasn't me guv" but not for them.

Is it known if anyone else (apart from Steve Messham) has pointed the finger at him?

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Post by PeterMac on 24.05.13 13:59

Carter-Ruck
Played 2
Won one
Lost one

By definition lawyers are wrong 50% of the time.
What other profession would allow this degree of laxity and incompetence.
If a heart surgeon lost 50% of his patients on the table, he would be dismissed and struck off.
If 50% of an architects blocks of flats fell down, if 50% of prisoners escaped from prison, it 50% of police prosecutions failed . . .

But lawyers work on the assumption that only one of them is correct.
Therefore the other one is wrong.

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Post by PennyX on 24.05.13 14:30

@ShuBob wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Bill Roache, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford and all the others roped in for questioning and / or charged with historic offences must wonder why it was good enough for Lord A to say "it wasn't me guv" but not for them.

Is it known if anyone else (apart from Steve Messham) has pointed the finger at him?

I thought it was agreed by Steve Messham, that he was " mistaken " when he looked at a photograph.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.05.13 14:31

@ShuBob wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Bill Roache, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford and all the others roped in for questioning and / or charged with historic offences must wonder why it was good enough for Lord A to say "it wasn't me guv" but not for them.

Is it known if anyone else (apart from Steve Messham) has pointed the finger at him?
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Post by PennyX on 24.05.13 14:36

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Bill Roache, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford and all the others roped in for questioning and / or charged with historic offences must wonder why it was good enough for Lord A to say "it wasn't me guv" but not for them.

Is it known if anyone else (apart from Steve Messham) has pointed the finger at him?


Y_s

This is very interesting. Are you able to name names? This must come out. At one time I was very concerned about statements on Twitter from Steve. He must be under a huge amount of pressure to keep silent. That shouldn't be allowed to happen.

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Post by Guest on 24.05.13 14:39

I don't know of any names myself but there are numerous claims on the Internet about Lord A and it's very serious stuff. Of course they may not be true but they certainly ought to be investigated thoroughly.

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Post by ShuBob on 24.05.13 14:58

Well, if allegations have been made against Lord M to the police and he's being treated differently to the actors, comedians etc who have been rounded up recently, it stinks.

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Post by PeterMac on 24.05.13 15:37

Incidentally was this the same judge who knows nothing about Facebook, and had to rely on inaccurate information given to him by the Plaintiff's solicitors about having Friends, but now appears to know all the nuances involved in Twitter ?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.05.13 15:55

@PeterMac wrote:Incidentally was this the same judge who knows nothing about Facebook, and had to rely on inaccurate information given to him by the Plaintiff's solicitors about having Friends, but now appears to know all the nuances involved in Twitter ?
No, that was Master [sic] Victoria McCloud.

Solicitors in THAT case tried to claim that 'Friends' could be added to your list of Facebook friends without your knowledge. I was told that I had no proof from Facebook that Friends could not be added without your knowledge (sorry for the treble negative there)

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Post by Guest on 24.05.13 16:28

@PennyX wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Bill Roache, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford and all the others roped in for questioning and / or charged with historic offences must wonder why it was good enough for Lord A to say "it wasn't me guv" but not for them.

Is it known if anyone else (apart from Steve Messham) has pointed the finger at him?


Y_s

This is very interesting. Are you able to name names? This must come out. At one time I was very concerned about statements on Twitter from Steve. He must be under a huge amount of pressure to keep silent. That shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Try Googling:

Scallywag - McAlpine - Spiked

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Post by Woofer on 24.05.13 16:34

@PennyX wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Bill Roache, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford and all the others roped in for questioning and / or charged with historic offences must wonder why it was good enough for Lord A to say "it wasn't me guv" but not for them.

Is it known if anyone else (apart from Steve Messham) has pointed the finger at him?


Y_s

This is very interesting. Are you able to name names? This must come out. At one time I was very concerned about statements on Twitter from Steve. He must be under a huge amount of pressure to keep silent. That shouldn't be allowed to happen.

It wouldn`t be a very wise thing to do on here - or anywhere actually.

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Post by Guest on 24.05.13 17:27

@PeterMac wrote:Carter-Ruck
Played 2
Won one
Lost one

By definition lawyers are wrong 50% of the time.
What other profession would allow this degree of laxity and incompetence.
If a heart surgeon lost 50% of his patients on the table, he would be dismissed and struck off.
If 50% of an architects blocks of flats fell down, if 50% of prisoners escaped from prison, it 50% of police prosecutions failed . . .

But lawyers work on the assumption that only one of them is correct.
Therefore the other one is wrong.

Sorry PM, highly as I value you, I must beg to differ.

When I trained to become a judge, I missed the idea of "justice' mentioned even once during the year-long course.
Remarking on that to a friendly attorney, one who, when alive was really top of the bill, he just smiled and told me: "Justice is a concept, a subjective one at that. It has no place in our courtrooms. On the other hand: security-in-law, the secure knowledge that when you enter a court of law today, tomorrow or in a hundred years, putting the same set of arguments before the court, and the court will decide the same, every time you do that, that is what matters. That you will knwo beforehand that the procedures that be will be followed, that the judge will have been appointed in the democraticly decided manner, that your legal textbook has been made up democraticly: that is what you call Justice.

Justice is, what is meeted out to you according to the law of the land, and agreed according to due process, administered by duely elected officials.

Your sentiments don't count.
The judges sentiments don't count.

The Democratic Law is the only thing that counts.


I was very silent for a very long time after that.

But in the end, I accepted, flunking the Judge-training however.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.05.13 17:38

@Portia wrote:"...a friendly attorney...who...when alive was really top of the bill, just smiled and told me: 'Justice is a concept, a subjective one at that. It has no place in our courtrooms. On the other hand: security-in-law, the secure knowledge that when you enter a court of law today, tomorrow or in a hundred years, putting the same set of arguments before the court, and the court will decide the same, every time you do that, that is what matters...'"
TRUE STORY.

A famous English barrister retired - and on the occasion of his retirment, made a speech.

He began by saying:

"When I was a young barrister, I lost a lot of cases that I should have won.

In my later years, I won a lot of cases that I should have lost.

So in the end, justice was done".

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Post by PeterMac on 24.05.13 18:10

@Portia wrote:
On the other hand: security-in-law, the secure knowledge that when you enter a court of law today, tomorrow or in a hundred years, putting the same set of arguments before the court, and the court will decide the same, every time you do that, that is what matters.
But that surely begs the question " Why do Lawyers pretend they do not know what the result will be of their particular set of arguments ?"
Why, since they must, according to the above quotation, know the probable outcome, do they persist in charging their clients lots of money for . . . Ah, yes, I have just answered my own question !

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Post by plebgate on 25.05.13 0:08

The rich keep us in our place by threatening us with the courts. Tony being a prime example.

It stinks, what makes me laugh is every party tell us about how they know how we feel, we are all the same, blah blah blah. Look at the hypocrisy of the labour mps who call the Eton Tories rich, arrogant and out of touch.

hmmm Milliband, Harman, and most of the opposition fronch bench are all public school educated and from upper class families. Champagne socialists indeed and ALL out of touch.

The British governments are in it for themselves and their ultra rich friends, cronies and that's the way it works and will always work in Britain. If you are rich then the court will work in your favour, as we have seen recently.

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