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Post by PeterMac on 28.01.13 9:36

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-back-in-portugal/27582

Usually very Pro-M, the paper is now allowing sceptical comments.
Mine was published, then "moderated" and has now been put back again.
Very strange.

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by June from Madeira on 27-01-2013 02:14:00

Please be so kind as to update this article: it's the McCanns who are trying to settle out of court. They know that they will lose - one only has to read the Appeals Court decision in favor of Mr Amaral to realize that they have no case. The Supreme court rejected the McCanns' appeal. It is heartening to see that freedom of expression and the right to voice one's opinion is still upheld in this country. It's a pity that the Portugal News is more British than Portuguese, in that aspect: markedly pro-McCann, unable to be objective, you influence your readers like a UK tabloid.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/01/mccanns-ask-for-extrajudicial-settlement.html
by Anna Real from Algarve on 27-01-2013 11:09:00

You haters are such awful people! There is no evidence against the mccanns, otherwise they would have gone to prison. Who would kill their own daughter anyways and then call police and media? there is way easier options, they could have just said she drowned. I really hope the find Madeleine one day! Good luck to Kate and Gerry!
by Anika from Other on 27-01-2013 10:27:00

Whatever the outcome the McCann's are GUILTY of child neglect, no parent in their right mind would leave children sleeping alone!!!
by Luis Nunes from Algarve on 27-01-2013 09:53:00

If Mr and Mrs McCann had put as much effort into looking after the best interests of their children while their daughter was still in their care as they have done in raising vast sums in an attempt to find her, then perhaps she would not have gone missing in the first place.
This case has, on occasion, been compared to that of Sara Payne, which resulted in changes to UK laws concerning the disclosure of paedophiles locations. Yet Sara would still have been snatched and murdered, because she was at a public pic-nic area, nowhere near her home, where any paedophile from anywhere in the world could have been stalking.
A girl so young should not have been allowed to wander off alone in such a place, just as another should not have been left in an apartment without adult supervision.
Two cases of guilt ridden parents using whatever means possible to draw attention away from the fact that they were negligent in the care of their children.
by RG from Alentejo on 27-01-2013 09:23:00

THIS POOR LITTLE GIRL AND HOW HARD IT IS FOR THE FAMILY GOD BLESS..WHEN SHE FIRST WENT MISSING I GOT A VISION OF LOT S OF GREEN ROOF S DON T ASK ME WHY BECAUSE I DON T NO WHY BUT THEIR IS A SLIGHT CHANCE IT COULD MEAN SOMETHING TO SOMEONE IN PORTUGAL , I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO PREDICT CERTAIN THING S ALSO HAVE READ TOTAL STRANGER S OF WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT AND SHOCKED THEM ,
by ANGELA from UK on 27-01-2013 02:16:00

"The McCanns are plainly innocent, . . ." Juliette Robinson. * * * Of what, precisely. Neglecting their children for a whole week, which they admit, or trying to get us to believe that an abductor got into the apartment, sedated three children, selected one and then got out again, without leaving any trace, or making any sound - father was right outside, remember - in less than two minutes ?
by PeterMac from Other on 26-01-2013 05:26:00

"Kate and Gerry McCann have sued Amaral for 1.2 million euros in damages, but reports stated this week the case has been put on hold due to apparent attempts by both parties to reach an out-of-court settlement." - Mr. Beer the fact is it was the McCanns who asked the four parties/defendants - TVI, Gonçalo Amaral, Valentim de Carvalho and Guerra & Paz to settle out of court - why do you omit that fact? What's the point when we can easily find the truth?
by AA from Algarve on 26-01-2013 02:31:00

It beggars belief that the nasty comments against the McCanns continue. Or perhaps it doesn't? The worst thing about the internet is that it gives ignorance and plain stupidity a voice!
The McCanns are plainly innocent, and websites should stop permitting morons who believe otherwise to make any further comments. It's like giving a voice to people who think the world is flat! You people should spend some time learning about empirical evidence, how genuine research works, and getting yourselves at least 'somewhat' educated and informed, because your ignorance is dangerous when it condemns the innocent.
In the meantime, I wish Kate and Gerry McCan all the best in their search, and my God, if I were in their position, I don't think that I could stop until I found the answer either.
by Juliette Robinson from Other on 26-01-2013 12:55:00

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Re: Portugal news allowing comments

Post by aiyoyo on 28.01.13 9:46

Moderator must be stoned drunk!

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Post by Guest on 28.01.13 9:54

Well, you know what they say about drunken, sardine-munching foreigners!

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Post by PeterMac on 28.01.13 10:01

And more have got through

"Mr. Beer the fact is it was the McCanns who asked the four parties/defendants - TVI, Gonçalo Amaral, Valentim de Carvalho and Guerra & Paz to settle out of court - why do you omit that fact? What's the point when we can easily find the truth?
by AA from Algarve"
Well said, Sir. Meanwhile the papers in England were reporting another "sighting", this time from Brazil in 2008. But the photo turned out to be from the evacuation of Ibiza airport in 2007 ! Who gave the papers that photo, and why at exactly the moment that the libel trial is folding, and Mr Bennett has asked the Court in England to re-consider its position on sending him to prison for believing something the McCanns don't want people to hear ? Like all good illusionists - "don't look over there, look over here !"
by PeterMac from Other on 28-01-2013 09:43:00

"You haters are such awful people! There is no evidence against the mccanns, otherwise they would have gone to prison. Who would kill their own daughter anyways and then call police and media? there is way easier options, they could have just said she drowned. I really hope the find Madeleine one day! Good luck to Kate and Gerry!
by Anika from Other on 27-01-2013 10:27:00"

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Whats wrong with hating lies deception and injustice? nothing at all, its the best thing to do, try it sometime, might get you somewhere
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Post by PeterMac on 28.01.13 10:36


". . . I still think this crime was mishandled by the authorities from the outset. In England the abduction of a child would have been flagged up and publicised on every News bulletin and in every newspaper within hours.... enlisting the immediate help of the general public who are the eyes and ears in any police investigation. . . .by June Lover from Algarve on 27-01-2013 04:16:00"
The only problem with this is that there was no evidence of an abduction. The PJ had a report of a missing child. No point of entry or exit, no method of sedating three children, no forensic traces, no sound - father was just outside, remember - and a window of opportunity to get in, sedate, select, pick up, and exit, of less than two minutes, even on the parent's own timings. Can you understand why the PJ, and many others, are slightly sceptical about the original story ?
by PeterMac from Other on 28-01-2013 10:29:00

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Post by Guest on 28.01.13 12:50

I'm sure that, as Pam Gurney and the gang have now been alerted to the existence of this article, they will work like Trojans to set the record straight!

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Post by PeterMac on 28.01.13 13:42

Not so far.

June Lover, I'm sure the McCanns did no intentionally harm Madeleine, but have you considered the possibility of a tragic accident, one that occurred while the parents where absent...? Madeleine and the twins were left unsupervised (or not suitably supervised) every single night of the holiday! If the checks were every 30 minutes, which I do not believe, I think they never checked at all, even so, 30 minutes is plenty of time for all sorts of acidents to happen to a child. What if they came back to the apartment and found a seriously injured or alredy dead Madeleine? What if they panicked and were overcome with the fear of neglect charges being brought against them, agravated neglect, because it resulted in the death of a child. Can you imagine them, seeing their lives destroyed, their reputations, their careers, maybe loosing custody of the twins, the hunting of the blood thirsty british media...?

And, for the record, in Portugal, Madeleine's disappearance was the most publicised case of a missing child ever! It was on all portuguese tv channels on that same night, and in all the papers the next morning!
by Roseanne from Lisbon on 28-01-2013 12:43:00
". . . I still think this crime was mishandled by the authorities from the outset. In England the abduction of a child would have been flagged up and publicised on every News bulletin and in every newspaper within hours.... enlisting the immediate help of the general public who are the eyes and ears in any police investigation. . . .by June Lover from Algarve on 27-01-2013 04:16:00"
"The only problem with this is that there was no evidence of an abduction. The PJ had a report of a missing child. No point of entry or exit, no method of sedating three children, no forensic traces, no sound - father was just outside, remember - and a window of opportunity to get in, sedate, select, pick up, and exit, of less than two minutes, even on the parent's own timings. Can you understand why the PJ, and many others, are slightly sceptical about the original story ?
by PeterMac from Other on 28-01-2013 10:29:00 "

Quite so, Mr. PeterMac! Remember the McCanns very first PR guy, Alex Woofall from Bell Pottiger? He told the media that he had not heard any suggestion of an abduction mentioned by the parents!
From The Times:
"Mr Woofall says that he heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched. 'Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around it was whether she could have wandered off and had an accident or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent. "
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.pt/2008/08/mr-woofall-heard-no-suggestion-in-early.html
by Roseanne from Lisbon on 28-01-2013 12:25:00

SOCA - Thank you for that clarification and the link. So in his case it would fail the test on at least two counts. No evidence of kidnapping, and no information to assist.
by PeterMac from Other on 28-01-2013 12:14:00

"In England the abduction of a child would have been flagged up and publicised on every News bulletin and in every newspaper within hours.... enlisting the immediate help of the general public who are the eyes and ears in any police investigation." by June Lover from Algarve
Not all cases will result in a CRA being launched.
There are four criteria which must all be met before a CRA is launched:
The child is under the age of 18
There is reasonable belief that the child has been kidnapped or abducted (which includes being taken under the influence of a third party)
There is reasonable belief that the child is in imminent danger of serious harm or death
There is sufficient information available to enable the public to assist the police in locating the child
http://www.soca.gov.uk/about-soca/missing-persons-bureau/child-rescue-alert
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Post by Inspectorfrost on 28.01.13 21:58

Those who are truly searching for this innocent chiold knows that she was truly abducted, her parents are totally innocent, they are looking for a living, findable Madeleine McCann.

Madeleine McCann is a real, living, findable child.

the cases of Shawn Hornbeck, Jaycee Duggard, Natascha Kampusch proves it.
by anonymous from Lisbon on 28-01-2013 03:32:00

What do comments like that mean? Madeleine is a real child? what? As opposed to a non existant one? She is living. How do you know? She is findable. Well, jurys out there.

Those three cases cannot PROVE that Madeleine is alive or findable. They only prove that these three children were abducted and found eventually.

The article in general is very moderate IMO.

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Post by PeterMac on 28.01.13 22:20

InspFrost - It is brilliant, isn't it.
@Inspectorfrost wrote:Those who are truly searching for this innocent child No one is searching. The parents called off their detectives a long time ago.knows that she was truly abducted, There was, and is, no evidence of an abduction. The Mccanns own time line and GM's statement make it absolutely impossible. her parents are totally innocent, of what. Neglecting children ? ? they are looking for a living, findable Madeleine McCann. They are NOT LOOKING ! They didn't even look that night, nor on the following day.
Madeleine McCann is a real, living, findable child.
the cases of Shawn Hornbeck, Jaycee Duggard, Natascha Kampusch proves it.
by anonymous from Lisbon on 28-01-2013 03:32:00
What do comments like that mean? Madeleine is a real child? what? As opposed to a non existant one? She is living. How do you know? She is findable. Well, jurys out there.
Those three cases cannot PROVE that Madeleine is alive or findable. They only prove that these three children were abducted and found eventually. Exactly so, but the pros cannot understand this.
The article in general is very moderate IMO.

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Post by Guest on 28.01.13 22:26

Those three cases - children kidnapped at the age of 10 or 11 while out in the street and held captive for years by paedophiles - don't in my opinion have any similarity to that of Madeleine.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 28.01.13 22:34

@PeterMac wrote:InspFrost - It is brilliant, isn't it.
@Inspectorfrost wrote:Those who are truly searching for this innocent child No one is searching. The parents called off their detectives a long time ago.knows that she was truly abducted, There was, and is, no evidence of an abduction. The Mccanns own time line and GM's statement make it absolutely impossible. her parents are totally innocent, of what. Neglecting children ? ? they are looking for a living, findable Madeleine McCann. They are NOT LOOKING ! They didn't even look that night, nor on the following day.
Madeleine McCann is a real, living, findable child.
the cases of Shawn Hornbeck, Jaycee Duggard, Natascha Kampusch proves it.
by anonymous from Lisbon on 28-01-2013 03:32:00
What do comments like that mean? Madeleine is a real child? what? As opposed to a non existant one? She is living. How do you know? She is findable. Well, jurys out there.
Those three cases cannot PROVE that Madeleine is alive or findable. They only prove that these three children were abducted and found eventually. Exactly so, but the pros cannot understand this.
The article in general is very moderate IMO.
No they dont understand this, at least that poster! hope is one thing, asserting is another.

As for searching, Gerry did some that night,, Kate looked around the parking lot behind the flat and that was it, until it wasnt too dark anymore, then she says she searched for at least an hour!! Then a few days later Gerry was captured on paparazzi video laughing his socks off on somebalcony. Truly wierd couple.


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Post by Inspectorfrost on 28.01.13 22:38

Jean wrote:Those three cases - children kidnapped at the age of 10 or 11 while out in the street and held captive for years by paedophiles - don't in my opinion have any similarity to that of Madeleine.

No they dont. Any cases of three year olds being kidnapped for sexual reasons and being returned years later? Nada. Thats why the Mccanns never quote any. They dont exist. So why dont they quote cases of toddlers stolen by strangers and returned years later. Do they not exist either?

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Post by PeterMac on 29.01.13 12:57

Still being allowed.

To by June Lover from Algarve on 28-01-2013 04:54:00 - why should I give my "moral support" to a couple that has left three children with a combined age of five, all alone, five nights in a roll? Madeleine isn't the only victim of this circus, Sean and Amelie are victims too. I only have a " place in" my "heart" for the children. Enough said.
by Martha from Lisbon on 29-01-2013 08:39:00

". . .Once it’s established that he/she hasn’t just wandered off (unlikely in Maddie’s case as she was locked in an apartment),. . . JUNE, Have you read any of the papers, the statements, the evidence ? The McCanns ADMIT that they left the apartment UNLOCKED. Every night. So that the children could escape in case of Fire. (Honestly I'm not making this up ! ) Their first versions, about the broken shutters and front door hanging open was simply not true, and they changed the story the following day. But they have still trapped themselves into a window of opportunity to - enter, sedate 3 children, select one, and exit - within two minutes. It is that bit which is so difficult for people to accept.
by PeterMac from Other on 29-01-2013 07:27:00

Madeleine McCann is a real, living, findable child.
the cases of Shawn Hornbeck, Jaycee Duggard, Natascha Kampusch proves it.
by anonymous from Lisbon on 28-01-2013 03:32:00

No they don't. Where is your evidence that she is alive?
by dilly from Porto on 28-01-2013 08:47:00

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Post by PeterMac on 02.02.13 8:11

And still being allowed !

Why did gerry say they support free speech when they do everything in their power to destroy people who question them? . . .by Mel from Other " Exactly. Next week is the trial against Tony Bennett, to commit him to prison for daring to think and say something different from the McCann's official line. The McCann's legal costs of taking him to court are so far more than a quarter of a million pounds. They are clearly trying to destroy him. This is nothing to do with finding Madeleine. It never has been.
by PeterMac from Other on 01-02-2013 08:01:00

If the parents believe Madeleine is "alive and findable", why aren't they looking for her? They still ask for public donations but ceased to employ private investigators.
One private investigator, halligen, scammed them out of £500,000 but they haven't sued him. Why not? They sued 27 other people and organisations who disbelieve them.
Twitter is a mine of information and full of people who intimidate, threaten and insult those who disbelieve the abduction story. Why did gerry say they support free speech when they do everything in their power to destroy people who question them?
Only those who haven't dug deeper think this is about an absent child, most other people know it's about the parents dictating what people should believe and punishing those who don't believe everything they're told. Even the media are too frightened to comment.
by Mel from Other on 31-01-2013 01:05:00

When in doubt, think of murder. exactl, esoecua,ky if there is no evidence if abduction which there is not in this case at all but there is evidence of a dead body
by Amanda from Madeira on 29-01-2013 09:32:00

Does anyone else feel for Robert Murrat and his family? His life and house were turned upside down. He was only trying to help. The police turned his villa apart. I often wonder if his life was ever the same again or what effect it all had on his small children.
I was surprised when this happened how many times it was said that we all leave our children alone. Never once did I hear a warning to parents that even if your kids don't get abducted it is just not safe to leave them alone whether on holiday or at home. CHILDREN need protecting at all times when they are so young. It would have been a different story if the nanny had left them.
I hope they find her and get her back alive.
by amanda frost from UK on 29-01-2013 03:25:00

Madeleine McCann may indeed be a real, living, findable child anonymous from Lisbon and, as you quite rightly point out, the cases of Shawn Hornbeck, Jaycee Duggard, Natascha Kampusch do go some way to prove some missing children can be successfully found and rescued many years later. However, one of the fundamental facts to be determined in a missing person investigation is the reason why the subject has disappeared. In cases where the circumstances are suspicious or are unexplained, use the maxim:
IF IN DOUBT, THINK MURDER
Failure to apply such thinking in past cases has led to the loss of valuable investigative opportunities. This can ultimately result in failure to trace the missing person or to establish sufficient evidence to convict a perpetrator.

ACPO (2010) Guidance on the Management, Recording and Investigation of Missing Persons
http://www.npia.police.uk/en/17187.htm

If the police wish to sucessfully trace a missing person or to establish sufficient evidence to convict a perpetrator then surely they must keep an 'open mind' as to how and why the subject has disappeared, surely?
by reseasonedopinion from UK on 29-01-2013

To by June Lover from Algarve on 28-01-2013 - why should I give my "moral support" to a couple that has left three children with a combined age of five, all alone, five nights in a roll? Madeleine isn't the only victim of this circus, Sean and Amelie are victims too. I only have a " place in" my "heart" for the children. Enough said.
by Martha from Lisbon on 29-01-2013 08:39:00

". . .Once it’s established that he/she hasn’t just wandered off (unlikely in Maddie’s case as she was locked in an apartment),. . . JUNE, Have you read any of the papers, the statements, the evidence ? The McCanns ADMIT that they left the apartment UNLOCKED. Every night. So that the children could escape in case of Fire. (Honestly I'm not making this up ! ) Their first versions, about the broken shutters and front door hanging open was simply not true, and they changed the story the following day. But they have still trapped themselves into a window of opportunity to - enter, sedate 3 children, select one, and exit - within two minutes. It is that bit which is so difficult for people to accept.
by PeterMac from Other on 29-01-2013 07:27:00

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Post by PeterMac on 07.02.13 20:53

Still there, still being allowed.

Cat. Just to remind you. 4th May Gerry - I went in through the front door. 10th May - I went in through the patio door. 4th May Kate - The curtains were wide open. 4 years later on TV - the curtains were tight closed. (Kate has never put that in a police statement anytime over the last 5 years. Why not ?) 3rd May the shutters were broken and the door hanging open. 4th May, shutters were open. 2010, on their own website - Kate - shutters were a red herring, not the point of entry. ( In which case what was ?) There are pages of examples all taken from their own statements and the book. We don't need to invent things. They did quite enough themselves.
"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember what you said." Mark Twain.
by PeterMac from Other on 07-02-2013 03:39:00

"There is NO EVIDENCE that any harm came to Madeleine McCann in the apartment or by the hand of her family . . ."by Cat from Other" To do this you have to totally dismiss the alerts by the dogs,which marked in the apartment and on the clothes and belongings of the McCanns AND NOWHERE ELSE - and add to that the strange behaviour of the parents who gave each false information to the police right from the start. Look at the statements 4th and 10th May and compare them. Why would parents not want to help the police, by telling the truth ?
by PeterMac from Other on 06-02-2013 05:31:00

There is NO EVIDENCE that any harm came to Madeleine McCann in the apartment or by the hand of her family. Read the Official Files and not internet gossip and old, wrong, newspaper reports.
Seems as though tunnel vision was in operation by some officials down there imo.
by Cat from Other on 04-02-2013 12:25:00

but they are looking for her, the real proof is what Scotland Yard with Oporto PJ are doing, based on this: Madeleine McCann can still be found alive.
by anonymous from Lisbon on 04-02-2013 09:20:00

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 07.02.13 21:12

Good. Hundreds of comments allowed on the daily mail today too.

Its healthy, rather than do what the express and star do, comments are disabled.
Even the liverpool echo allowed comments, but theres NONE


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Post by Guest on 08.02.13 10:53

@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:InspFrost - It is brilliant, isn't it.
@Inspectorfrost wrote:Those who are truly searching for this innocent child No one is searching. The parents called off their detectives a long time ago.knows that she was truly abducted, There was, and is, no evidence of an abduction. The Mccanns own time line and GM's statement make it absolutely impossible. her parents are totally innocent, of what. Neglecting children ? ? they are looking for a living, findable Madeleine McCann. They are NOT LOOKING ! They didn't even look that night, nor on the following day.
Madeleine McCann is a real, living, findable child.
the cases of Shawn Hornbeck, Jaycee Duggard, Natascha Kampusch proves it.
by anonymous from Lisbon on 28-01-2013 03:32:00
What do comments like that mean? Madeleine is a real child? what? As opposed to a non existant one? She is living. How do you know? She is findable. Well, jurys out there.
Those three cases cannot PROVE that Madeleine is alive or findable. They only prove that these three children were abducted and found eventually. Exactly so, but the pros cannot understand this.
The article in general is very moderate IMO.
No they dont understand this, at least that poster! hope is one thing, asserting is another.

As for searching, Gerry did some that night,, Kate looked around the parking lot behind the flat and that was it, until it wasnt too dark anymore, then she says she searched for at least an hour!! Then a few days later Gerry was captured on paparazzi video laughing his socks off on somebalcony. Truly wierd couple.


Sorry, bit off-topic; Mods do as you see fit. BTW, I want to commend you on your vast amount of work these past days. Must have been exhausting. Compliments for keeping the whole train from derailing, what with muratfan and his nutty ramblings!

GM and DP are said to have been on the beach. Did they search there? How do we know?
Why was GM later on the beach using a GSM, what was he gauging there, what was he trying to find?

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 08.02.13 17:46

It seems alot of the earlier comments have been deleted leaving ten new ones

Portia, who knows, Gerry and his second cousin paddling in the rocks and text messaging? Anyones guess!


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Post by nospinnaker on 09.02.13 10:33

When you paddle among the rocks there's enough white noise generated by the breeze and the water to guarantee that nobody can overhear what you're saying.

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