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GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by aquila on 02.05.13 13:12

MJC wrote:
@aquila wrote:...and before he is labelled 'a dirty old man' he was 37 - 56 years old when these offences for which he has pleaded guilty to occurred.


BBC on Stuart Hall today:

As the years went on, his victims became younger. He abused the nine-year-old while in his 50s.



Wikipedia on the Prophet Mohammed's marriage to Aisha (youngest of his 16 wives):

According to traditional sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad and was nine when the marriage was consummated. Muhammad was 53 or 54 years old at the time of the marriage.

I have no idea what you are talking about MJC. What has Islam got to do with this? Please don't answer my post on this thread take it to the 'theory' section of this forum - don't derail a topic.

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by ShuBob on 02.05.13 13:32

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@ShuBob wrote:
He should have hired Clarence Mitchell.
And Carter-Ruck ! They might have threatened the victims with impoverishment, and forced them to give undertakings not to repeat the allegations . . . .

Best name-check Tony Bennett just in case Kev is looking in.

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by russiandoll on 03.05.13 13:11

I note the poor excuse for a human being did not need a mouthpiece when he stood in public using his fancy long words to abuse for a second time by calling his victims liars...all these claims against me are pernicious, spurious [ AND TRUE!!!]

How many did he abuse, 14 young girls? And described as a predator.
He should get 10 years and not see outside of a prison until he is at least 90.


Now there's a surprise.....his family are standing by him !

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by PeterMac on 03.05.13 17:24

Fascinating article, copied in full with acknowledgements and thanks
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/stuart-hall-plea-bargain/

Stuart Hall: ‘Plea Bargain’ ?
To start with I’d just like to make it clear that the lady who is alleged to have been raped by Stuart Hall is entitled to do as she wishes, as do all victims/survivors of child sexual abuse.
The 83-year-old of Wilmslow, Cheshire, pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to the offences, involving 13 victims, which occurred between 1967 and 1985…
…Mr Afzal said the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) would not be proceeding with the rape charge as the woman who made the allegation no longer wished to give evidence in light of the guilty pleas.

But given the original text of this article in The Independent which alleges far more serious crimes than the inappropriate kissing and groping that it would appear Stuart Hall has pleaded guilty too, and certainly far more serious than the majority of the MSM are reporting. I am left wondering exactly who benefits from Stuart Hall pleading guilty to ‘lesser’ charges ?

She went to the studios [BBC] encouraged by her mum and head teacher. And went back again, and once more. He seemed caring. Then, having groomed her, she alleges, he got her drunk and started the abuse. She kept going back. His mates, she claims, helped Hall with his filthy hobby.
Had read:
Then, having groomed her, she alleges, he got her drunk and started the abuse. She kept going back. His mates, including an MP who is now a Peer, she claims, helped Hall with his filthy hobby.

It would appear from this extract, which I must stress has been removed from the article but still appears in cached online versions, that Stuart Hall was part of a group of men who abused young girls at the BBC. At least one of those men is now a peer of the realm.

Though it has not been made clear in The Independent article the account appears to detail the rape charge which the CPS have dropped because “the woman who made the allegation no longer wished to give evidence in light of the guilty pleas”.

So, cui bono ? Who benefits from this guilty plea for lesser charges against 13 victims ?
Well, certainly the victims themselves benefit. They do not have to stand up in court and be abused by the defendant’s expensive lawyer. By not proceeding the woman that has alleged that Stuart Hall raped her has saved those other victims that appalling prospect.

But there appears to be others who are abusers themselves who will benefit also from this ‘plea bargain’.
Let’s hope the police have the bottle to pursue this investigation how ever high up it goes and however implicated the BBC are shown to be.
But I fear that is hope over expectation.

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by aiyoyo on 03.05.13 17:44

@russiandoll wrote:I note the poor excuse for a human being did not need a mouthpiece when he stood in public using his fancy long words to abuse for a second time by calling his victims liars...all these claims against me are pernicious, spurious [ AND TRUE!!!]

How many did he abuse, 14 young girls? And described as a predator.
He should get 10 years and not see outside of a prison until he is at least 90.


Now there's a surprise.....his family are standing by him !

Of course they have to say that, but only for the time being until reality sinks in. His family will start alienating him when the resentment sets in against him for dragging the family name in mud. And his friends will be avoiding him like plaque - who wants to be seen or associated to a disgusting paedo***** who has fooled them for so long. Any past comments he may have made on friends' or family friends' children would be viewed in different light now and people will start counting their blessings nothing untoward happened.

I feel sorry for his children having to live the rest of their live psychological damaged by the stain on the family name. Imagine, learning your dad was a serial groper and opportunistic rapist just must make your skin crawls.

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by Guest on 03.05.13 22:46

Six more women say they were abused by Stuart Hall


Lawyers expecting more claims as calls grow for disgraced presenter to lose OBE
Six more women have contacted solicitors to claim they were abused by Stuart Hall with victims lining up to sue the disgraced presenter and one MP calling for him to be stripped of his OBE.

Alan Collins, a partner at law firm Pannone and a specialist in sexual abuse cases, said while new claims were still to be investigated, he expected they would be the first of many.
“We had a number of calls and six women phone us with allegations. It is early days and we have to meet them, but it looks like the effect of Hall pleading guilty,” he said. He added that he had already been instructed by some of the victims to sue the former It’s A Knockout presenter.

More here....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/six-more-women-say-they-were-abused-by-stuart-hall-8603428.html


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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by aiyoyo on 04.05.13 6:39

The developments came as the BBC faced questions about its conduct. Several victims of the 83-year-old - who on Thursday admitted 14 offences involving 13 victims dating back to the late 1960s, including an assault on a nine-year-old girl - claimed that they were assaulted at the corporation’s Manchester studios.

The Independent reported yesterday how police first investigated Hall after one of his victims wrote to the newspaper, claiming: “Stuart took me to his dressing room, where he gave me plenty of champagne before having sex with me (In his dressing room, in the BBC studios).”

After the Jimmy Savile sex assault scandal, the BBC instructed Dame Janet Smith to conduct an independent review of the culture and practices at the corporation during the years he worked there. That review may now be widened to hear from Hall’s victims.

Separately it is understood there are at least three BBC employees are still currently the subject of police investigations.

The corporation said that, so far, it had found no written record of complaints of a sexual nature being made against Stuart Hall but it would pass any allegations to police or the Dame Janet Smith Review.

Liz Dux, of Slater and Gordon, which is representing dozens of Savile victims suing the BBC, said Hall was “very forceful” in his denial of the charges at first, but more women coming forward after he was named had helped the conviction.

His behavior reminds us of a certain pair who were also forceful in their claim they were exonerated.

The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) is currently revising guidance on naming suspects so that none are named at the point of arrest, but Ms Dux said the Hall and Savile cases showed police must publish names.

“We accept suspects have rights but they have the criminal justice system and there is a high burden of proof to bring an investigation,” she said, “But we have to come down on the side of the victims.”

An ACPO spokesman said: “The accepted guidance should be not to name on arrest unless there’s a reason to do so, to prevent or deter crime. A decision to name could be taken if there’s a benefit in naming the person.”


Boy, was Hall taken by surprise by the sudden change of tide. Bet he didnt think it would come to this. Neither does a certain pair think their day will come judging by their continuing campaigns and self seeking publicity to deceive the public.

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by plebgate on 04.05.13 11:37

Oh dear he has lost his OBE.

Never mind it has been replaced with PERV and PAEDO.

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by Guest on 04.05.13 11:42

@plebgate wrote:Oh dear he has lost his OBE.

Never mind it has been replaced with PERV and PAEDO.

Where have you seen this plebgate, just googled and can't find anything??

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Post by plebgate on 04.05.13 11:48

I believe I saw it in my head Candyfloss because that is what he is now. Pervert and Paedophile.

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Post by plebgate on 04.05.13 12:09

Apologies Candyfloss, re-read your post. Where did I read that he is losing his OBE? I think that is what you meant.

Mis-read the article you posted. Thought it said he had lost the OBE but it does in fact say one MP are asking for him to lose it.

Hope he does.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.05.13 15:43

Wonder whether BBC is going to come out of all this surviving or be bankrupt.


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Post by Newintown on 04.05.13 17:45

@aiyoyo wrote:Wonder whether BBC is going to come out of all this surviving or be bankrupt.


They'll probably just double the TV licence fee to cover all the costs.

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by Guest on 05.05.13 13:04

BBC inquiry to look at Hall claims, says Lord Patten

All claims relating to broadcaster
Stuart Hall will be investigated by the inquiry into BBC culture and practices
set up following the Savile scandal, BBC Trust chairman Lord Patten says.

News reports have claimed fellow BBC staff may have helped Hall, who has
admitted indecently assaulting 13 girls, gain access to victims.

He said the claims were "appalling" but that a separate inquiry would not
help

Former Appeal Court judge Dame Janet Smith is leading the review.



“Start Quote



What we have to do is to provide answers which will satisfy
people that we have been prepared to deal with our own dirty
washing”
End Quote Lord Patten BBC Trust
Chairman
It was set up in the wake of revelations of sexual abuse
by former BBC presenter Jimmy Savile and is designed to examine whether culture
and practices at the corporation during the 60s, 70s and 80s enabled abuse to
continue unchecked.

On Thursday, Linda McDougall, a former colleague of Hall's, told the BBC he
was "one of these people who had his hands all over you".

The political writer worked with the presenter at BBC Manchester in the late
60s and 70s. She recalled how he occupied a private room in the building and it
was common knowledge that he would entertain female visitors there.

Newspaper reports have also included allegations that BBC staff helped Hall
abuse his victims, including on BBC premises.
'Dirty
washing'

Responding to the claims on the BBC One's Andrew Marr Show, Lord Patten said:
"If that was the case - and Janet Smith is looking at it - then we want to see
that evidence, we want to get it out in public and get it out in that way
because it is intolerable."

But he added: "I think to set up a new inquiry, when there is already one
which is extremely well-resourced operating would probably delay arriving at the
truth.

"If we need to do more, we will. At the end of the day, what we have to do is
to provide answers which will satisfy people that we have been prepared to deal
with our own dirty washing."

Asked by guest presenter Jeremy Vine whether the BBC faced paying
compensation to Hall's victims, Lord Patten said: "I imagine so, but that will
be a matter for the lawyers and conceivably the courts."

He declined to estimate the cost of compensation, saying: "I think it would
be incredible to be able to do that now because first of all what needs to
happen is that we need to be able to get a grip on what happened and of course,
in the meantime, co-operate with the police."

He went on: "It's a different case from the Savile case because the main
person who is alleged to have committed these crimes, who has committed these
crimes... is actually alive."

Hall admitted 14 charges of indecently assaulting girls, one aged nine, in
May.

The 83-year-old, of Wilmslow, Cheshire, pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court
to the offences, involving 13 victims, which occurred between 1967 and 1985.

The ex-host of the BBC game show It's a Knockout was bailed and is due to be
sentenced on 17 June.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22417934

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Post by Nina on 05.05.13 13:24

Another inquiry. Some people make a living, a good living carrying them out. And then there will be the 'lessons learned' quote.

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Post by PeterMac on 08.05.13 12:26

Worst letter I ever wrote.

Dear Jim,
Can you fix it for me to go on 'It's a Knockout'.........

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Re: GUILTY... Stuart Hall, BBC personality and host of 'It's A Knockout', charged with rape/indecent assault on several girls, 27-46 years ago

Post by Guest on 08.05.13 13:09

Groan! I did actually try to get my son on the programme......

This clip has been posted before but it's interesting. The letter at 0.57 is obviously a hoax which I can only assume was Jimmy's idea of a joke, knowing how untouchable he was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DqBByrXFJE

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Post by PeterMac on 17.06.13 11:55

The disgraced It's A Knockout presenter initially told police his victims were lying as part of a "vendetta" against people in the public eye.

When initially arrested last December over three claims of indecent assault, he described the allegations as "nonsense".

He told police one of the complainants as "a complete and utter liar", the court heard.

Hall, of Wilmslow, Cheshire, initially issued an impassioned public denial of any wrongdoing but went on to admit assaults on 13 girls between 1967 and 1987.


Do we see a pattern emerging ?

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Stuart Hall sentenced

Post by mank on 17.06.13 13:26

Just heard on local radio Stuart Hall sentenced to 15 months in prison

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Post by tasprin on 17.06.13 13:42

Needleblog

After pleading guilty to indecently assaulting 13 girls over almost a 20 year period, one as young as nine years old, Stuart Hall is imprisoned for 15 months. One count of rape will lie on the court file.
Hall’s barrister Crispin Aylett, in mitigation, told the court the former broadcaster had “all of 13″ victims compared to Jimmy Savile’s 1,300.
The court heard statements in support of Stuart Hall’s charity work from Dave Whelan, Wigan chairman and Patricia Macmillan from the NSPCC.
So, by my reckoning that’s  32 days for every underage girl he sexually assaulted.

          

Patricia Macmillan From NSPCC Pleads For Stuart Hall
Patricia Macmillan who is Chairman of East Cheshire Branch NSPCC  has defended Stuart Hall at his sentencing hearing on the grounds of his charity work.
Speechless…
I’ve just spoken to the NSPCC press office, it seems likely that neither NSPCC Branch or HQ had been informed before hand. They will be releasing a statement on this soon.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/

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Post by Cherry on 17.06.13 13:47

apparently that is just one month for every count of abuse!

So that's what you get for ruining peoples lives and then accusing them of lying!

Due to the leniency of the sentence some people may think it was a freemason paedo sympathiser judge! He should have been given a much longer sentence for the abuse, plus time added on for lying about it and discrediting the victims.

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Post by tasprin on 17.06.13 13:54

The lenient sentences meted out to child abusers is a national scandal. What on earth is wrong with our judicial system?

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