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Post by Guest on 25.01.13 14:11

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5034-imagine?highlight=imagine

A timely reminder I think of a blog which expresses the situation very well.

The McCanns and the British media deserve nothing but utter contempt.

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Post by Guest on 25.01.13 14:28

I'm no Mod, so Mods please remove if you feel like it, BUT ... could Ed1234 PLEASE post a 1-2 line comment without taking a whole page of copying previous ones. It's an obstructive read this way

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Post by Me on 25.01.13 14:34

ed1976 wrote:Meanwhile, the defamation case the McCann family launched against former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral was this week reportedly suspended by a Lisbon court.
Kate and Gerry McCann have sued Amaral for 1.2 million euros in damages, but reports stated this week the case has been put on hold due to apparent attempts by both parties to reach an out-of-court settlement.

And?? It does take both parties to enter into negotiations which is what that article has stated.

It hasn't said who asked for them.

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Post by Guest on 25.01.13 14:36

Châtelaine wrote:I'm no Mod, so Mods please remove if you feel like it, BUT ... could Ed1234 PLEASE post a 1-2 line comment without taking a whole page of copying previous ones. It's an obstructive read this way

Yes, agreed, I have mentioned it already on this thread Chatelaine. It's ok to quote short posts, up to 3 maybe, like this one, but long, long, posts, and then to have a whole lot more as well all cascading one under another is very off putting. So please to all can we copy and paste if a long post and use the quote button at the top of reply box.

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Post by PeterMac on 25.01.13 15:34

@tiny wrote:
hahahahha ,have you never read this paper before, this paper is another mccann ar** licker


Comments include
cant believe what i read here,does this paper NOT SUPPORT MADELEINE MCCANN. oh my, thank got for the internet
and dont forget to mention that theMCCANNS BOTTLED OUT OF THE LIBEL TRIAL.
by chris from UK on 25-01-2013 10:14:00

Someone has to explain how the "abductor" got in, sedated three children, picked up one, turned it round, and exited . . within 1 minute and 20 seconds. If you can't do that - there was no abduction. (These are their timings, not mine.)
by PeterMac from Other on 25-01-2013 10:00:00

Mel, no, you are not the only one thinking it's all very strange. All 1001 McVersions of it. Starting with the "jemmied shutter" that never was. etc. etc.
by weissnicht from Other on 25-01-2013 07:44:00

dog's don't and cant lie they are trained to do what they do and never fail Sad poor Maddie
by jay from UK on 25-01-2013 03:10:00

The 24/7 phoneline they set up goes to an answerphone. I'd have the phone on me constantly. Just saying.
They aren't employing anyone to search for Madeleine and say they've faith in NSY review to find her. Yet they are still asking for donations. What is the money for?
Around 90% of all the donations has so far been spent on litigation, suing people (24 last I heard). Why spend money suing everyone but stop searching for their missing child?
Their old PI ripped them off for half a million pounds but they aren't suing him. They are however suing the police officer who gave them the results of the forensics.
This seems to be all about the couple and nothing to do with trying to find their little girl, who, despite them informing the world on numerous occasions "Madeleine is alive and findable and that they "are leaving no stone unturned", they aren't looking or flipping stones.
Am I the only person who thinks there's something very strange about all this?
by Mel from USA on 24-01-2013 11:49:00
So not entirely as pro as one might think

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Post by aiyoyo on 25.01.13 17:38

Aha, Brendan to the rescue.
Bravo the mccanns and their slow-boat spin final destination UK, transisting at Olive Press, final stop copycat Sun.
That has Mccanns mould all over it, Not typical of Portuguese journalism style.
Loaded with pro-mccanns quotes from MET and Mr. Hairspray about how Kate ploughed million to save the Fund. And nothing about who initiated the suspension of trial.
Who could Brendan source be? PR Lift Consultancy? Or.........? Someone well kept in the loop of things by the look of it!

That said, Brendan had done some independent homework.
She states "Operation Grange commenced in May 2011, but only started in Portugal last winter."
Surely that can't be right. We are in year 2013 already. Winter 2011 more likely.

She also said "a murder team within the Homicide and Serious Crime Command was tasked to conduct the review"
"Work of the team involves close collaboration with a senior investigating officer from the PJ and detectives have been to Portugal several times."

Throughout the course of the review officers have been in close contact with the McCann family who have been assigned a Family Liaison Officer.

Again! Who was the laison Officer the last time? Bob Small? or call me "Stu" Prior?

While the Fund has admitted it has scaled back following UK Prime Minister David Cameron’s creation of Operation Grange, it revealed that it still pays for “a 24-hour, 7 day a week telephone line to receive and capture information from around the world which may assist the investigation while also supporting a small investigation team, including a Portuguese speaker to help with the above and with campaign activities.”

A Portuguese speaker? Whatever for?
Did they expect callers to be Portuguese. Judging by the pseudo sightings, Mccanns has been all over the world, nearly!
Also posters been saying they tried line and found it manned by automated phone system on an 0845 high cost paying number! Who is lying?

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Post by roy rovers on 25.01.13 17:59


Great post from Blacksmith. I reckon Tom and Jerry will be packing their overnight bags soon for a long holiday at someone else's expense - this time Her Majesty's.

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Post by Guest on 25.01.13 18:08

Can someone post up Blacksmith latest please. My mouse is playing up, think it needs new batteries

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Post by saltnpepper on 25.01.13 18:16

They Really Don't
The poor boobies in the McCann camp think this is some temporary blip that they'll weather if they keep their heads down. They can't get to grips with what's going on. So let's spell out why the libel trial suspension is no ordinary news item.
Since
2008 and the publication of Goncalo Amaral's book the strategy of the
parents and their team has been simple, as all the best deceptions are:

Deliberately
highlighting the tabloid rubbish of autumn 2007 against them so that
everyone, from the house of Commons to Oprah Winfrey to the on-line
audience for the Leveson inquiry, knows the mad accusations by heart,
while muffling and blanketing the truly dangerous, accurate, stuff from
beginning to end.

That's
it folks, it's that simple: no need for hidden allies, protection or
political help. That is the plan that they have consistently followed
and it's worked a treat. But only by keeping the lid on Amaral
and the hard core of truth about the PJ investigation. Bit by bit the
contents have dribbled out and the pair have struggled to screw the lid
down even tighter. The steam started to rise in Lisbon in 2010 and
spouted out with Kate McCann's ill-conceived Madeleine. Now, after five years, the pot has finally burst in their faces.

Their
proven lies about the course of the PJ investigation go back not to May
2007, where so much is still uncertain or a matter of opinion, but to
the beginning of August of that year. That is when the proof of
Kate and Gerry McCann's attempt to prevent the UK public finding out
about the details of the investigation at any cost becomes visible.

And
that's why the end of the case against Goncalo Amaral – for it will not
be resumed in six months – is so crucial. That's why the Bureau splashed it.

From Beginning to End
Leaving
aside the couple's role earlier in the investigation, at all the
subsequent crucial junctures of the affair the parents have either lied
or deliberately misrepresented or muffled events to deceive the British
public about the interrupted investigation.


  • On
    August 2 2007 they began the calculated lying about the police
    activities against them which form the core of Amaral's claims.
  • In
    summer 2008 they deliberately misrepresented the Portuguese archiving
    summary which had confirmed the Seven's refusal to co-operate with the
    inquiry and the McCanns' failure to "demonstrate their innocence".
  • In
    January 2009 they secretly commenced the silencing and libel actions
    against Amaral while lying on the greatest possible scale that they
    were in Portugal for different reasons.
  • In
    2010 the Portuguese courts demolished their human rights claim against
    Amaral and one of the three legs of their libel claim. There was no
    media statement from the McCanns.
  • In
    January 2013 the McCanns accepted defeat in their libel claim but
    refused to make any statement or answer any questions about the matter.
    The Proof
    The Beginning
    On
    August 2 2007 a police squad turned the McCanns over. The house was
    searched, possessions were seized and they were left, according to Kate
    McCann, with "just the clothes they were wearing." Later their car was
    seized for forensic examination.

    The
    lies which both the McCanns told on that date and afterwards – outright
    porkies – to prevent the UK public discovering anything of the truth
    about the investigation are listed in these Bureau archives below. Kate McCann's attempted excuse in Madeleine
    (page 206) that they "had no choice" but to lie demonstrates how lying
    is their preferred or instinctive mode of operation when in a tight
    spot. The lying about the investigation and Amaral has never stopped
    since then.

    http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012_06_01_archive.html
    http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/slowly-strangling-in-web-of-their-own.html
    The Archiving Summary
    This
    is the Team's précis of the summary which they fed to the UK press on
    publication and which, in the usual way of the great days of Team McCann
    spin, was written up in the same words in numerous papers.This one
    comes from the Standard. The dishonesty and the motive are quite manifest.

    “The
    Portuguese police inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
    was condemned in the strongest terms by the country's public
    prosecutors, new documents revealed today." [a deliberate lie; it was not.]

    Detectives
    were criticised for establishing "no element of proof " about what
    happened to Madeleine or even whether she was alive or dead.”[a deliberate lie; they were not]

    “A
    source close to the McCanns' legal team said action against the
    Portuguese police was now increasingly likely. He said: "Given this
    blatant misrepresentation of evidence, legal action against the
    Portuguese police is very much on the agenda. [another deliberate lie; there was no "misrepresentation of evidence. We still await the legal action against the PJ].

    "The
    lawyers are considering very seriously whether action needs to be taken
    against individual officers when evidence was clearly misrepresented in
    such obvious ways at such crucial times." [see above].

    Portugal and Duarte
    As we know from Madeleine
    Gerry McCann went to Portugal specifically to plot the libel claim and
    gagging order with Duarte. In perhaps the most prolonged and widespread
    example of his gratuitous lying he gave interview after interview
    stating that he was there for other reasons.http://www.mccannfiles.com/id107.html

    Portuguese Appeal Courts
    Not only was Amaral vindicated but the judges, as Kate McCann's Madeleine let
    slip, knocked away the third leg of the libel claim, damage to the
    so-called search. She writes: "The latest verdict was that Amaral’s
    poisonous allegations did not damage our investigation in any way."
    That's one of the three libel claims dead.

    She
    and Gerry McCann had known since 2009 that proving Amaral's
    interpretation of events in the apartment, the subject of the main claim
    of the three would be very difficult. When announcing the dropping of
    the libel case against Tal y Qual then Mitchell had said:

    "The libel action against Tal & Qual
    has been dropped for a number of reasons. Firstly, the newspaper went
    bust some time ago. Secondly Tal & Qual could probably have mounted a
    defence, as they were reporting what a certain police officer believed
    at the time." Which is the same 100% defence –"genuine belief that
    something is true" – which worked for Mad Marcos and would work for
    Amaral in court.

    So much for Clarence's version. The Telegraph,
    to whom he had given the story, was rather more blunt: "This week the
    couple withdrew their defamation action after being advised that the
    newspaper had a strong defence under Portuguese law. It could argue the
    story was published in good faith because senior police officers did at
    the time believe the McCanns may have been implicated in the case."
    That's two of the three claims dead – but they had to keep the lid on,
    didn't they?

    The Straw Men
    And
    on the parallel track the McCanns, despite the statement of one of
    their lawyers on BBC television in 2007 that the aim was to "expunge"
    from the public memory the wild claims against them made in the press:

  • In March 2009 recirculated all the invented tabloid claims against them to the public House of Commons media committee.
  • In 2012 recirculated all the same claims in even greater detail to the public and on-line audience for the Leveson inquiry. Highlight the one. Keep the lid on the other.
    The lid's off. They are toast.

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    Post by Nina on 25.01.13 18:20


    Thank you mank, what a cracking piece it is too. Toast laughat pray2

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    Post by sallypelt on 25.01.13 18:53

    Why did Blacksmith mention the Leicester Police? I have followed this McCann's case since it happened, but in 2008 I heard something that stunned me into silence. It didn't stop me from reading about them on different sites, but nothing got close to what I heard, until I read Blacksmith's site, earlier today. This tells me that Blacksmith KNOWS what happened. This is the part that convinced me:

    Quite what the impact will be on the media when the inevitable happens and the parents are unmasked – courtesy of Amaral and Leicester police

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    Post by Inspectorfrost on 25.01.13 19:12

    @sallypelt wrote:Why did Blacksmith mention the Leicester Police? I have followed this McCann's case since it happened, but in 2008 I heard something that stunned me into silence. It didn't stop me from reading about them on different sites, but nothing got close to what I heard, until I read Blacksmith's site, earlier today. This tells me that Blacksmith KNOWS what happened. This is the part that convinced me:

    Quite what the impact will be on the media when the inevitable happens and the parents are unmasked – courtesy of Amaral and Leicester police

    Maybe the LP whilst doing the rogatory interviews twigged to something or other.

    Wasn't it them who said something like there was nothing in the files which exonerrated them? (the Mccanns)

    The LP fought the court which onbehalf of the Mccanns attempted to get all the UK police files handed over to them, I think they were still prime suspects at the time!

    What was the thing you heard in 2008? Appreciate it if you would rather not say.

    That BS post is a corker!

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    Post by margaret on 25.01.13 19:32

    @sallypelt wrote:Why did Blacksmith mention the Leicester Police? I have followed this McCann's case since it happened, but in 2008 I heard something that stunned me into silence. It didn't stop me from reading about them on different sites, but nothing got close to what I heard, until I read Blacksmith's site, earlier today. This tells me that Blacksmith KNOWS what happened. This is the part that convinced me:

    Quite what the impact will be on the media when the inevitable happens and the parents are unmasked – courtesy of Amaral and Leicester police
    a

    What did you hear?! Do it by private message if you need to, I can't join up what you mean from the small print? pray2

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    Post by Guest on 25.01.13 19:48

    @margaret wrote:
    @sallypelt wrote:Why did Blacksmith mention the Leicester Police? I have followed this McCann's case since it happened, but in 2008 I heard something that stunned me into silence. It didn't stop me from reading about them on different sites, but nothing got close to what I heard, until I read Blacksmith's site, earlier today. This tells me that Blacksmith KNOWS what happened. This is the part that convinced me:

    Quite what the impact will be on the media when the inevitable happens and the parents are unmasked – courtesy of Amaral and Leicester police

    What did you hear?! Do it by private message if you need to, I can't join up what you mean from the small print?
    Corrected the small print ...

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    Post by margaret on 25.01.13 20:02

    Châtelaine wrote:
    @margaret wrote:
    @sallypelt wrote:Why did Blacksmith mention the Leicester Police? I have followed this McCann's case since it happened, but in 2008 I heard something that stunned me into silence. It didn't stop me from reading about them on different sites, but nothing got close to what I heard, until I read Blacksmith's site, earlier today. This tells me that Blacksmith KNOWS what happened. This is the part that convinced me:

    Quite what the impact will be on the media when the inevitable happens and the parents are unmasked – courtesy of Amaral and Leicester police

    What did you hear?! Do it by private message if you need to, I can't join up what you mean from the small print?
    Corrected the small print ...

    Thanks, l can read it lol! but it's going over my head.... I understand because of Amaral in light of recent news but LP? nah

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    Post by marxman on 25.01.13 20:03

    @sallypelt wrote:Why did Blacksmith mention the Leicester Police? I have followed this McCann's case since it happened, but in 2008 I heard something that stunned me into silence. It didn't stop me from reading about them on different sites, but nothing got close to what I heard, until I read Blacksmith's site, earlier today. This tells me that Blacksmith KNOWS what happened. This is the part that convinced me:

    Quite what the impact will be on the media when the inevitable happens and the parents are unmasked – courtesy of Amaral and Leicester police



    Very interesting sallypelt, reminds me of a statement

    from someone in PDL in 07, who said something on the

    lines that 'when the public find out what really happened

    their jaws will hit the floor' or words to that effect.

    Does anyone else remember such a statement?

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    Post by bristow on 25.01.13 20:08

    Please do tell Sallypelt, I'm sitting in suspenders here!

    Do pm if you don't like to go public.

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    Post by margaret on 25.01.13 20:13

    @marxman wrote:
    @sallypelt wrote:Why did Blacksmith mention the Leicester Police? I have followed this McCann's case since it happened, but in 2008 I heard something that stunned me into silence. It didn't stop me from reading about them on different sites, but nothing got close to what I heard, until I read Blacksmith's site, earlier today. This tells me that Blacksmith KNOWS what happened. This is the part that convinced me:

    Quite what the impact will be on the media when the inevitable happens and the parents are unmasked – courtesy of Amaral and Leicester police



    Very interesting sallypelt, reminds me of a statement

    from someone in PDL in 07, who said something on the

    lines that 'when the public find out what really happened

    their jaws will hit the floor' or words to that effect.

    Does anyone else remember such a statement?

    Yes l do, that was Val on the sky forum l believe not long after Maddie disappeared. she said she was in PDL at the time and gave a statement to police. It was Val who claimed the Mcs were at Chaplins the night before Maddie disappeared and they were fetched back because of complaints about the mccann children's crying (I'm sure it was children and not just Maddie)

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    Post by Olive_Boyle on 25.01.13 20:16

    Stop the PM nonsense just put it on here so we can all hear.

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    Post by jay2001 on 25.01.13 20:58

    Seem to remeber someone called Vera - think it was discussed on 3a's, but don't think anything ever became of the discussion. So many things have been discussed and sometimes it's good to go back to those early interviews, blogs etc.

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    Post by margaret on 25.01.13 21:23

    @jay2001 wrote:Seem to remeber someone called Vera - think it was discussed on 3a's, but don't think anything ever became of the discussion. So many things have been discussed and sometimes it's good to go back to those early interviews, blogs etc.

    Aah yes, Vera not val.

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    Post by Inspectorfrost on 25.01.13 21:42

    Vera's posts were intriguing. None of what she said appeared in the media or the PJ files or referred to by anyone in Portugal in any media or other official capacity or corroborated even by further gossip. Doesn't mean they were not true I suppose, though I would probably wager they were mostly false.

    I also understand her postings were made in 2008? if so, what took her so long?

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    Post by margaret on 25.01.13 21:48

    @Inspectorfrost wrote:Vera's posts were intriguing. None of what she said appeared in the media or the PJ files or referred to by anyone in Portugal in any media or other official capacity or corroborated even by further gossip. Doesn't mean they were not true I suppose, though I would probably wager they were mostly false.

    I also understand her postings were made in 2008? if so, what took her so long?

    Was it? I thought it was not long after. Take no notice of me folks, l think its past my bedtime tonight. big grin

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