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Post by Cristobell on 18.01.13 21:08

Given the bizarre restrictions around freedom of speech in this case, I think we have all become a little paranoid.

I agree with a previous poster - Blacksmith is always been a darn good read, and led us to look at other aspects of this case. Anyway, please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't one of yesterday's articles say that there are several contributors to the Blacksmiths Bureau?

Regarding his, Kate is as mad as a box of frogs musings,it may be he has gone this far, because certain 'gags' have been lifted - possibly as a term of the settlement - which I don't think we know yet? Perhaps Blacksmith does, and feels that he can now write freely?

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 18.01.13 21:08

@Portia wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:
ed1976 wrote:[...]
the answer is yes, they would settle if they believe that Amaral has no funds to pay any damages or legal costs. Amaral would settle to avoid bankruptcy.
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Rubbish, IMO
They don't want to, never did, go to court and have to testify.
IMO, again.
They've blocked all of his assets since YEARS.
To avoid that there wouldn't be any assets if they'd win.
This must be a different kind of settlement ...

Precisely.

They cannot risk Dr Amaral calling SY as witnesses. It's as simple as that.

So they must have offered him to withdraw their case, release his assets and pay his legal expenses, on condition that he waive all present and future claims against them and keeps mum about the deal.

That's the way these things are done.


Well I hope he says no.

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Post by Cristobell on 18.01.13 21:17

ed1976 wrote:
@Portia wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:
ed1976 wrote:[...]
the answer is yes, they would settle if they believe that Amaral has no funds to pay any damages or legal costs. Amaral would settle to avoid bankruptcy.
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Rubbish, IMO
They don't want to, never did, go to court and have to testify.
IMO, again.
They've blocked all of his assets since YEARS.
To avoid that there wouldn't be any assets if they'd win.
This must be a different kind of settlement ...

Precisely.

They cannot risk Dr Amaral calling SY as witnesses. It's as simple as that.

So they must have offered him to withdraw their case, release his assets and pay his legal expenses, on condition that he waive all present and future claims against them and keeps mum about the deal.

That's the way these things are done.


If thats the case we can expect them to drop their case against Tony.




I cannot see GA agreeing to any sort of settlement that would leave him 'gagged.'. For him, I believe, it has always been about honour and reputation, and besides, there was way too much water under the bridge.

As an aside, if they have dropped the case against GA, they will almost certainly drop the case against Tony. We don't know yet what the SY review has brought to light.

At the moment we can only wait and see who is the first to call a press conference.....

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 18.01.13 21:17

@Cristobell wrote:

Regarding his, Kate is as mad as a box of frogs musings,it may be he has gone this far, because certain 'gags' have been lifted - possibly as a term of the settlement - which I don't think we know yet? Perhaps Blacksmith does, and feels that he can now write freely?

That doesn't make sense. Since when was BS gagged? In any case its not the first time he has attached epithets to KM
lol!

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Post by Cristobell on 18.01.13 21:39

@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:

Regarding his, Kate is as mad as a box of frogs musings,it may be he has gone this far, because certain 'gags' have been lifted - possibly as a term of the settlement - which I don't think we know yet? Perhaps Blacksmith does, and feels that he can now write freely?

That doesn't make sense. Since when was BS gagged? In any case its not the first time he has attached epithets to KM
lol!




I think we have all felt gagged in this case. I personally found Blacksmith's recent article, much more forthright than those I have read in the past. And I am sure the 'settling' of this libel case will lead to a collective sigh of relief from all corners.


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Post by Cristobell on 18.01.13 21:42

As an old legal secretary, my experience was that settlements are usually done immediately. Usually at the door of the Court. I think this will be an interesting weekend newswise.

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Post by saltnpepper on 18.01.13 21:44

The wheels of justice turn slowly but i didnt know it was this f*****g slow.ok through this case i did

The McCs are taking Amaral to court,why would they need to settle? surely they could just withdraw the claim?
...all will be revealed soon enough i suppose

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Post by Guest on 18.01.13 21:49

@saltnpepper wrote:The wheels of justice turn slowly but i didnt know it was this f*****g slow.ok through this case i did

The McCs are taking Amaral to court,why would they need to settle? surely they could just withdraw the claim?
...all will be revealed soon enough i suppose

Yes, I presume they could, but there would still have to be a settlement reached, because they started the action, therefore making Mr Amaral incur huge lawyer costs etc., to defend himself. I don't know, but I would have thought if you bring such an expensive action, and suddenly decide to not go ahead, then you would be liable for the costs of the other party, not to mention valuable time and suffering.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 18.01.13 21:52

@Cristobell wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:

Regarding his, Kate is as mad as a box of frogs musings,it may be he has gone this far, because certain 'gags' have been lifted - possibly as a term of the settlement - which I don't think we know yet? Perhaps Blacksmith does, and feels that he can now write freely?

That doesn't make sense. Since when was BS gagged? In any case its not the first time he has attached epithets to KM
lol!




I think we have all felt gagged in this case. I personally found Blacksmith's recent article, much more forthright than those I have read in the past. And I am sure the 'settling' of this libel case will lead to a collective sigh of relief from all corners.


I am sure BS never felt gagged as a load of other bloggers didn't but you might have a point though I'm sure its nothing at all to do withany settlement specifics, if they exist at all, or any settlement, if I was Mr A I wouldn't even open the door

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Post by ShuBob on 18.01.13 21:57

@saltnpepper wrote:The wheels of justice turn slowly but i didnt know it was this f*****g slow.ok through this case i did

The McCs are taking Amaral to court,why would they need to settle? surely they could just withdraw the claim?
...all will be revealed soon enough i suppose

Exactly the same thing happened when the Beckhams sued NoTW following the Rebecca Loos affair. When NoTW announced they were going to call Loos as a witness in their defence, the Beckhams withdrew the case and paid the newspaper's costs

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Post by saltnpepper on 18.01.13 21:59

Ok,thanks candyfloss,its a given they pay his costs,didnt think of the suffering,family break up,stress etc
He could possibly help Tony in this settlement?

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 18.01.13 22:17

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Post by ShuBob on 18.01.13 22:38

Anyone know what's happening with the McCanns' case against the TV station and the publishing company which they brought at the same time as the case against Amaral? There's been almost total silence on that front for some time

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Post by Ribisl on 18.01.13 22:46

@Bob Southgate wrote:
What happened to the proceeds of his book?

According to Amaral's own website, 200,000 copies had been sold before the book was banned. The current retail price in the UK is GBP14.86 and it would have cost at least that in Portugal where book prices are higher. Author's royalty I guess would be in the region of 10% - 12%. So he must have earned at least GBP300,000 or so from the sale before it was banned in September 2009. Not sure whether 200,000 includes all the translations in 9 European languages and he would have sold many more since it's been back on sale.

If he had any sense, he would have put all his assets in his wife's or someone else's name once he realised he would have to battle out a libel case. The problem is the proceeds from the sale of his book is not easy to hide. Ironically, the same goes for KM and her book. yes

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Post by ShuBob on 18.01.13 22:50

@Ribisl wrote:
@Bob Southgate wrote:
What happened to the proceeds of his book?

According to Amaral's own website, 200,000 copies had been sold before the book was banned. The current retail price in the UK is GBP14.86 and it would have cost at least that in Portugal where book prices are higher. Author's royalty I guess would be in the region of 10% - 12%. So he must have earned at least GBP300,000 or so from the sale before it was banned in September 2009. Not sure whether 200,000 includes all the translations in 9 European languages and he would have sold many more since it's been back on sale.

If he had any sense, he would have put all his assets in his wife's or someone else's name once he realised he would have to battle out a libel case. The problem is the proceeds from the sale of his book is not easy to hide. Ironically, the same goes for KM and her book.

That wouldn't have prevented the McCanns from going after the money as IIRC, their lawyers contacted Amaral's wife and wanted her to seperate her finances from his so they could seize his share

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.01.13 23:44

Think about it!

Why would Amaral withdraw so close to trial date when he is guaranteed to win.
A Portuguese practising lawyer wrote on MCF that ID will struggle after the 3 wise judges had overturned the temporary injunction (effectively guaranteeing Amaral's freedom of speech) and after ID lost her subsequent appeal. And that the writing is pretty much on the wall - ID will need a miracle to pull it off. Short of that, she stands absolutely no chance.

It's not in Amaral's interest to back down now after persevering and suffering for so long and now near finishing line to victory.
If Mccanns have even a slim chance to win, what is the chance they will back down?
More importantly would their lawyer, mad-hat ID, advise them to withdraw if there is a 50/50 chance - give up the opportunity to destroy Amaral (which is their joint objective) and give up their dream to collect a fat sum (this bit is more difficult as never in Portuguese history has libel damage been awarded above 5 figures). Not forgetting ID giving up her dream - chance to add a high profile foreign case to her portfolio and everything that goes with it.

I learned that it is extremely difficult to prove libel in the Portuguese system, compound that with the 2nd instance Court's ruling, ID knows there is not even a remote chance to win, hence her advice to Mccanns to cave in. Caving in would give them plenty excuses and easier to spin this than spinning Court's negative ruling when all the facts are there for all to see.

If team Amara's set as part of their terms: the Mccanns to issue a public apology in all UK media and set the record straight it was them who caved in on Amaral's terms, then their spinning power will be curbed and what they can spin will be somewhat restricted, or risk being sued for breach of undertakings. I hope Team Amaral factor in that the dirty playing pair have never played fair and aren't about to reform suddenly, so I hope they cover all eventuality.

To the poster who said that the Mccanns will string this out for the 6 months may be technically correct.
It's against economical sense to continue to incur mounting legal costs to do so. Bear in mind they have to pick up the legal cost of team Amaral as well, and stringing it out will be expensive. Can they afford to do that?

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Post by T4two on 19.01.13 0:05

@aiyoyo wrote:Think about it!

Why would Amaral withdraw so close to trial date when he is guaranteed to win.
A Portuguese practising lawyer wrote on MCF that ID will struggle after the 3 wise judges had overturned the temporary injunction (effectively guaranteeing Amaral's freedom of speech) and after ID lost her subsequent appeal. And that the writing is pretty much on the wall - ID will need a miracle to pull it off. Short of that, she stands absolutely no chance.

It's not in Amaral's interest to back down now after persevering and suffering for so long and now near finishing line to victory.
If Mccanns have even a slim chance to win, what is the chance they will back down?
More importantly would they lawyer advise them to withdraw if there is even a 50/50 chance; and give up the opportunity to destroy Amaral (which is their joint objective) and their dream to collect a fat sum (this bit is more difficult as never in Portuguese history has libel damage been awarded above 5 figures). Also not forgetting witch ID's dream to add a foreign case to her portfolio and everything that goes with it.

I learned that it is extremely difficult to prove libel in the Portuguese system, compound that with the 2nd instance Court's ruling, ID knows there is not even a remote chance to win, hence her advice to Mccanns to cave in. Caving in would give them plenty excuses and easier to spin this than spinning Court's negative ruling when all the facts are there for all to see.

If team Amara's set as part of their terms: the Mccanns to issue a public apology in all UK media and set the record straight it was them who caved in on Amaral's terms, then their spinning power will be curbed and what they can spin will be somewhat restricted, or risk being sued for breach of undertakings. I hope Amaral envisage the dirty playing pair is not ever going to change tactic to suddenly play fair, so I hope he covers all grounds.

To the poster who said that the Mccanns will string this out for the 6 months may be technically correct.
It's against economical sense to continue to incur mounting legal costs to do so. Bear in mind they have to pick up the legal cost of team Amaral as well, and stringing it out will be expensive. Can they afford to do that?

IMO it's a ploy by the McCanns to delay proceedings and avoid anything embarrassing coming out which might have a negative effect on their legal action to silence Tony Bennett. I do not believe that McCanns would genuinely seek a settlement and they know that Dr Amaral will not. In the situation they find themselves in, incurring additional legal costs is presumably not as important as continuing the charade.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.01.13 0:06

@Inspectorfrost wrote:It seems the official find madeleine website webmaster is not on duty

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More like the Site admin (could be Kate) is sleeping on her job. Maybe she's too stressed to concentrate!

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Post by Bob Southgate on 19.01.13 0:11

@Ribisl wrote:
@Bob Southgate wrote:
What happened to the proceeds of his book?

According to Amaral's own website, 200,000 copies had been sold before the book was banned. The current retail price in the UK is GBP14.86 and it would have cost at least that in Portugal where book prices are higher. Author's royalty I guess would be in the region of 10% - 12%. So he must have earned at least GBP300,000 or so from the sale before it was banned in September 2009. Not sure whether 200,000 includes all the translations in 9 European languages and he would have sold many more since it's been back on sale.

If he had any sense, he would have put all his assets in his wife's or someone else's name once he realised he would have to battle out a libel case. The problem is the proceeds from the sale of his book is not easy to hide. Ironically, the same goes for KM and her book.

Thanks Ribisi,

Are his assets still frozen?

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.01.13 0:30

@T4two wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Think about it!

Why would Amaral withdraw so close to trial date when he is guaranteed to win.
A Portuguese practising lawyer wrote on MCF that ID will struggle after the 3 wise judges had overturned the temporary injunction (effectively guaranteeing Amaral's freedom of speech) and after ID lost her subsequent appeal. And that the writing is pretty much on the wall - ID will need a miracle to pull it off. Short of that, she stands absolutely no chance.

It's not in Amaral's interest to back down now after persevering and suffering for so long and now near finishing line to victory.
If Mccanns have even a slim chance to win, what is the chance they will back down?
More importantly would they lawyer advise them to withdraw if there is even a 50/50 chance; and give up the opportunity to destroy Amaral (which is their joint objective) and their dream to collect a fat sum (this bit is more difficult as never in Portuguese history has libel damage been awarded above 5 figures). Also not forgetting witch ID's dream to add a foreign case to her portfolio and everything that goes with it.

I learned that it is extremely difficult to prove libel in the Portuguese system, compound that with the 2nd instance Court's ruling, ID knows there is not even a remote chance to win, hence her advice to Mccanns to cave in. Caving in would give them plenty excuses and easier to spin this than spinning Court's negative ruling when all the facts are there for all to see.

If team Amara's set as part of their terms: the Mccanns to issue a public apology in all UK media and set the record straight it was them who caved in on Amaral's terms, then their spinning power will be curbed and what they can spin will be somewhat restricted, or risk being sued for breach of undertakings. I hope Amaral envisage the dirty playing pair is not ever going to change tactic to suddenly play fair, so I hope he covers all grounds.

To the poster who said that the Mccanns will string this out for the 6 months may be technically correct.
It's against economical sense to continue to incur mounting legal costs to do so. Bear in mind they have to pick up the legal cost of team Amaral as well, and stringing it out will be expensive. Can they afford to do that?

IMO it's a ploy by the McCanns to delay proceedings and avoid anything embarrassing coming out which might have a negative effect on their legal action to silence Tony Bennett. I do not believe that McCanns would genuinely seek a settlement and they know that Dr Amaral will not. In the situation they find themselves in, incurring additional legal costs is presumably not as important as continuing the charade.


What good would it do them to play delaying tactics? How long can they postpone it indefinitely for? Besides they will need to supply Court with good valid reason to delay, and their case against TB is not valid reason.

I dont believe they would seek settlement too, even against all odds, they are too arrogant and conniving for that.
UNLESS their lawyer had strongly advised them to stop heading further towards the train; they had NO CHOICE; and that a settlement would at least claw them back some face.

Even if assuming legal costs may not be their prime concern, but a negative Court ruling will ruin their chance at reputation managing.
Besides you are right they wont want embarrassment fact to emerge and circulate freely in UK for all to see.

So the long and short of it is that it is in their interest to settle, and not the other round way, as those ostrich-pros with their heads buried in sands would like to fool themselves.

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Post by Hobs on 19.01.13 0:36

If the gruesome twosome decide they wnt to drag it out for 6 months so they can try and win over Tony Bennet they will still lose.

Should they win and then the truth comes out regarding Goncalo Amaral showing they did in fact lie then Tony Bennet can in turn either appeal his case citing new and revealing evidence or sue them.

The Sunday Times is currently suing lance armstrong for the money they had to pay him ( plus costs and interest) since he has now admitted lying after suing them for libel when they printed a story saying he doped and winning.

The gruesomes have somewhat of a sticky problem in that they can#t block anyone from venturing an opinion on what they think happened as revealed i the files ( i bet they were not happy bunnies when they realised that making the files public meant exactly that, the public were free to read the released files and come to their own conclusion rather than the file being released to a select few and thus eabling them to continue the charade)

I wonder if this is why the accounts are so vague about what was spent where and who is getting paid what.

I will also bet when Goncalo and Tony win they will spin itan claim they are taking money away from finding Madeleine, momey that might have been the key to finally finding her and bringing her home.

I wonder then what the seven dwarves will do since they may also find themselves in line for libel, will they be talking to their attornies finding out where they stand and what options they have if any.

Will they decide to tell the truth in the hope possible court cases go away or charges are minimised.

It is going to be interesting as it is going to be every man for themselves, no one is going to take the fall for the gruesomes.

I also wonder if clarence mitchell is in line for libel charges since he was the mouthpiece for the gruesomes and wasn't at all nice about Goncalo.

I also wonder how much he really knows since, in order to defend his clients and speak for them he has to make sure nothing he says leads to the truth coming out. He isn't going to say something that inadvertantly reveals something of interest so he needs to know some if not all the truth in order to avoid opening mouth and inserting foot.



The plus side is everytime they say anything be it in an interview etc it gives us statement analysts something to work with, looking for the expected and noting anything unexpected which reveals the truth ( remember her wanting to press a button and they would ALL be togeather? This only makes sense if she knows Madeleine is dead as otherwise she has just murdered her 2 remaining children and made Madeleine an orphan)

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.01.13 0:38

@Bob Southgate wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:
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What happened to the proceeds of his book?

According to Amaral's own website, 200,000 copies had been sold before the book was banned. The current retail price in the UK is GBP14.86 and it would have cost at least that in Portugal where book prices are higher. Author's royalty I guess would be in the region of 10% - 12%. So he must have earned at least GBP300,000 or so from the sale before it was banned in September 2009. Not sure whether 200,000 includes all the translations in 9 European languages and he would have sold many more since it's been back on sale.

If he had any sense, he would have put all his assets in his wife's or someone else's name once he realised he would have to battle out a libel case. The problem is the proceeds from the sale of his book is not easy to hide. Ironically, the same goes for KM and her book.

Thanks Ribisi,

Are his assets still frozen?

YES, far as I know. This is the bizarre part - the asset freeze is part of the libel case process.
So long as the libel case is not settled, ruled on, done and dusted, the asset wont be released.
It forms part of the process and the process has to end before the asset is released.

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Post by ShuBob on 19.01.13 0:38

@aiyoyo wrote:SNIP


What good would it do them to play delaying tactics? How long can they postpone it indefinitely for? Besides they will need to supply Court with good valid reason to delay, and their case against TB is not valid reason.

I dont believe they would seek settlement too, even against all odds, they are too arrogant and conniving for that.
UNLESS their lawyer had strongly advised them to stop heading further towards the train; they had NO CHOICE; and that a settlement would at least claw them back some face.

Even if assuming legal costs may not be their prime concern, but a negative Court ruling will ruin their chance at reputation managing.
Besides you are right they wont want embarrassment fact to emerge and circulate freely in UK for all to see.

So the long and short of it is that it is in their interest to settle, and not the other round way, as those ostrich-pros with their heads buried in sands would like to fool themselves.

I'm thinking- what if the increasingly elusive Gerry decided he wanted to pull out meaning Kate would have to go it alone? That's enough reason to seek a settlement, no? Duarte has nothing to lose IMO. She has lost the last three cases against Amaral but still went ahead with the libel trial. Why would she suddenly have a change of heart when win or lose, she gets paid?

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.01.13 0:59

@Hobs wrote:If the gruesome twosome decide they wnt to drag it out for 6 months so they can try and win over Tony Bennet they will still lose.

Should they win and then the truth comes out regarding Goncalo Amaral showing they did in fact lie then Tony Bennet can in turn either appeal his case citing new and revealing evidence or sue them.

The Sunday Times is currently suing lance armstrong for the money they had to pay him ( plus costs and interest) since he has now admitted lying after suing them for libel when they printed a story saying he doped and winning.

The gruesomes have somewhat of a sticky problem in that they can#t block anyone from venturing an opinion on what they think happened as revealed i the files ( i bet they were not happy bunnies when they realised that making the files public meant exactly that, the public were free to read the released files and come to their own conclusion rather than the file being released to a select few and thus eabling them to continue the charade)

I wonder if this is why the accounts are so vague about what was spent where and who is getting paid what.

I will also bet when Goncalo and Tony win they will spin itan claim they are taking money away from finding Madeleine, momey that might have been the key to finally finding her and bringing her home.

I wonder then what the seven dwarves will do since they may also find themselves in line for libel, will they be talking to their attornies finding out where they stand and what options they have if any.

Will they decide to tell the truth in the hope possible court cases go away or charges are minimised.

It is going to be interesting as it is going to be every man for themselves, no one is going to take the fall for the gruesomes.

I also wonder if clarence mitchell is in line for libel charges since he was the mouthpiece for the gruesomes and wasn't at all nice about Goncalo.

I also wonder how much he really knows since, in order to defend his clients and speak for them he has to make sure nothing he says leads to the truth coming out. He isn't going to say something that inadvertantly reveals something of interest so he needs to know some if not all the truth in order to avoid opening mouth and inserting foot.



The plus side is everytime they say anything be it in an interview etc it gives us statement analysts something to work with, looking for the expected and noting anything unexpected which reveals the truth ( remember her wanting to press a button and they would ALL be togeather? This only makes sense if she knows Madeleine is dead as otherwise she has just murdered her 2 remaining children and made Madeleine an orphan)

Hobs, if you have read BS's blog he hinted low fund is what Mccanns will use as reason to withdraw. Not even ghost would believe that!
Their bogus seacrh is history when SY took over.
There is no way the group will spill the beans, not in a million year.
They have to be court marshalled to open their mouth (maybe). Short of that, dont entertain the notion that lot will fore-go self preservation.

TB WILL win. How can be it any other way?
If the stay of the libel is lifted (a high chance of it) there is no chance the Mccanns would face Court under scrutiny, and they cant avoid that. Imagine a full blown libel in open court in UK? Even in closed court they cant avoid bad press.
They might as well buy their own coffins if they are arrogant enough to proceed with that, if it comes to that, and it will come to that.

Even formidable CR has its limit against the face of factual evidence.
Look at ID, she thought was she invincible too. She won the first round by dirty tactic and look what happened now?
If Mccanns are allowed to silent people just because they have the money for expensive assortment of lawyers, and on their say so without having to face test of trial then freedom of speech is extinct in UK.

P.s. OH, and a tsunami is heading Clarence Mitchell way, sweeping a few journalists along as well (if BS is to be believed). But why not? Amaral did say publicly that he will sue those who slandered and libeled him when the time is right.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.01.13 1:57

@ShuBob wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:SNIP


What good would it do them to play delaying tactics? How long can they postpone it indefinitely for? Besides they will need to supply Court with good valid reason to delay, and their case against TB is not valid reason.

I dont believe they would seek settlement too, even against all odds, they are too arrogant and conniving for that.
UNLESS their lawyer had strongly advised them to stop heading further towards the train; they had NO CHOICE; and that a settlement would at least claw them back some face.

Even if assuming legal costs may not be their prime concern, but a negative Court ruling will ruin their chance at reputation managing.
Besides you are right they wont want embarrassment fact to emerge and circulate freely in UK for all to see.

So the long and short of it is that it is in their interest to settle, and not the other round way, as those ostrich-pros with their heads buried in sands would like to fool themselves.

I'm thinking- what if the increasingly elusive Gerry decided he wanted to pull out meaning Kate would have to go it alone? That's enough reason to seek a settlement, no? Duarte has nothing to lose IMO. She has lost the last three cases against Amaral but still went ahead with the libel trial. Why would she suddenly have a change of heart when win or lose, she gets paid?

Kate and Gerry may be pissed with each other, and elusive Gerry may be abandoning his duty to Madeleine, but their discord is not going to be enough to change legal procedures and protocol that have to be strictly adhered to.

You cant simply willy nilly at your whim of fancy withdraw name of any plainitiffs ( at it stands, it is Mccanns and three children) midway without lots of paper works having to be refiled. Dont forget to allow due process of court filings and you have to allow lapse time for Court to slot in dates for trial. I doubt the Court would allow that at this stage as it has gone too far, especially after 3 courts had dealt with this.

Besides if they don't stand united (even if they are acrimonious in private) they will fall.
Personally I don't think they will announce their spilt, not for a few years yet when all these suits (and Review) are done and dusted then they will go separate way to lick their wounds.

ID has plenty to lose - dent to her reputation for one (a soul destroying thing for a showy lawyer); Mccanns refusing to pay her fees for bad advice, and Mccanns can sue her because of bad advice or negligence in her advice.

I don't think it is correct to say she went ahead with the libel regardless of past defeats. The libel was filed first, that allows for the application for temporary ban of the book, and all the due processes came and went, and she's left with the libel.
It is at this stage she must weight the chances and advise her client appropriately and I believe it is her advice to Mccanns to withdraw and of course the Mccanns have to concur for that to happen. If the Mccanns reject her recommendation then she will laugh all the way to the bank regardless.

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